The Definitive Guide on How Star Wars Space Battles Actually Worked
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:55 The Battle From The Inside
3:55 Spaceplanes
6:30 The Big Boys
8:44 Planet-Sized Obstacles
10:22 Outro 
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"We've captured a command post." "Nothing can stop the empire." "Just like the simulation." "For the Republic!"
What did it cost?
"We've lost a command post..."
The rebels have foolishly dropped the flag..a pity
The enemy has the enhanced blasters bonus
Enemy forces have captured a command post
@@animationfanatic2133 *FIGHT FOR IT!*
Battlefront 2’s controls were really stiff to use in a space battle
But damn did I love using the LAATs to jump directly to the enemy ship 😂
To be honest, the stiff controls made you feel like you're really flying something. Same goes for the X-Wing series of games.
The stiff controls made it seem like you're piloting a 10 ton flying hunk of metal rather than a hawk. I liked the original BF2's space battle controls/flights than the crazy manuverable BF2 remake controls where you could turn on a dime and had fancy pre-set spin manuvers to dodge enemy missiles.
Could you use a flight stick.
Also there's no "yaw" control.
@@fraskf6765 That was the exception, but for the most part with regular flying in the original BF2, the ships felt like they were unweildly and had "mass." The BF2 remake ships are just way too manuverable and felt more like playing a COD game where you need to make fast knee jerk reactions.
Fo realllll
Star Wars was inspired by the World Wars in particular the Second World War, and that naval battle revolutionize how it will be fought for the rest of the century, with Carriers replacing the Dreadnoughts that dominated the seas and displayed the strength of the nations that fought in it. Though considering that Star Wars has a problem with scaling its conflicts in their lore books and especially in the Clone Wars with its units sizes and number of ships that the Republic had.
Clone Pilots be like when they are in Space Battles: "Just like the Simulations!"
In conclusion, needs more beam cannons, missile spams, and [REDACTED].
Addendum: In a narrative note, traditional animation can give such space battles pure, unadulterated justice even compared to the CGI elements of live action storylines like The Expanse and animated works like TCW 2008. Besides, the likes of anime like the Universal Century iterations of Gundam and even Western animation like Exo-Squad have already done well with such action packed sequences.
I just wish there was a space dogfight where they take advantage of how space has no gravity like imagine an xwing chasing a tie and the tie just flips upside down fires 2 missiles and flies through the explosion something like the tie fighter short film but an entire show in that style with a large budget Disney could totally give
A similar maneuver was actually in the X-Wing books. Tycho's signature tactic was to bank his fighter so that it 'skidded' and turned around to shoot the guy chasing him.
There are several other tactics discussed on that series, as well as Thrawn Trillogy, where the standard imperial doctrine called for turning the ship so that its hangar pointed away from the attackers, to shield the start of the fighters. The same book also talks about an enveloping maneuver, where fighters would fan out and approach from all around, basically creating a sphere formation.
Do we get a covering of the general strategies used in Space combat? Because i always wondered why and how the capital ships are entangled and all over the place, resulting in ultimate chaos for both sides.
if you are referring to the movie battles it's a result of those specific battles. In RotS the Battle of Couruscant is a complete mess when we see it because the CIS fleet used secret hyperlanes to bypass the Republic defense fleet, meaning the defenders had to scramble to reposition and try to catch the enemy ships that were swarming the capital. At the point the film starts the CIS is trying to retreat with their prisoners and cause as much collateral damage on their way out all the while being dogpiled by Republic fleets arriving as reinforcements. As such utter chaos.
In RotJ Lando and Ackbar narrate the stages of the battle pretty well. The Rebels arrive and make a push towards the Death Star but end up discovering the ruse and that the shields were still up. At this point the Empire's fleet launches it's fighters to engage the rebels while the fleet itself moves to stop the Rebels from fleeing the way they arrived. Once the Death Star starts firing on the Rebel fleet Lando urges Ackbar to order a charge at the Imperial fleet so that the Death Star won't be able to keep blasting the rebel capital ships without risking collateral damage to their own ships. Thus we end up with the close range scrum near the end of the battle with ships everywhere.
better go for that to Eckhard ladder ro be honest geetsly the TCW fanboy is pretty a noob in the specific fleet aspects of star wars
Over Corcuscant it was largely because the CIS navy was holding over their forces on the surface regardless of what the Republic navy was throwing into the fight. If they attempted to maintain a cohesive formation away from the enemy that would involve giving up orbit to the Republic and dooming Grevious. As a result by the time we see the fight it's already almost over, it's the CIS forces being, in essence, totally overrun.
The other really huge fleet battle in the movies is Endor. It is also chaos because the Rebellion dog piled into the Imperial fleet to complicate the Death Star 2's firing solution.
No plan survives contact with the enemy, often battles degenerate into close range free-for-alls when enough time passes
@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 more like it was the result of attacking without a plan.
Yes, certainly! More specifically, do a breakdown of starfighter specializations & starship specializations, as well as our earthly counterparts based on role & function…
Video Idea: Which Star Wars Ship has the Worsg Design
Basically, almost everything in Cracken's Threat Dossier, so much so that fans like Fractalsponge made better and more faithful variants of the ships in there.
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I'd love to hear about the glassing of Tattoine and Mandalore!
Mandalore was 'glassed' from years of war and infighting, Tatooine was glassed by the Rakata when the natives over threw them
@@ryanfarrelly4647 I think he is referring to the Night of a Thousand Tears
What are the role of the weapon of a capital ship? like laser cannon, turbolaser, torpedo, ion cannon, ...
Laser cannons are for point defense
Turbolasers are for decimating armor, taking out tough heavy armoed targets, base delta zero
Ion cannons are for disabling ships and getting rid of shields
Missiles depending on the type can be used for anything from disabling ships to destroying them they come in different types and yields but mainly are used as anti-capital ship ordinance and bombing planets.
Proton torpedos are strictly used for destroying ships and space stations.
#1 rule of Star Wars space battles: look awesome
Ok you brought it up, we need a series based on Battlestar.
The absolute best “space battles” is The Expanse although I will agree that that BSG is a great choice
There is a fan theory out there, I’m not sure how much traction it has, that the Star Wars galaxy does not have void space, but instead some sort of ether. This would be an explanation for how and why the fighters move the way they are depicted onscreen.
The X-Wing series literally has a piece of fighter equipment called the aetheric ruder, that is used to change direction.
Star Wars astronomy is just weird. Stars are tiny, astronomical bodies are very close together, accelerating up to lightspeed is feasible (and creates a rift into hyperspace), plus the aether thing. And all these things are consistent, so they're not just errors that some writer made.
Star Wars, BSG, Expanse, Star Trek are all so very different. What's your favorite style of space battles? Maybe you can make a top ten? It's a toughie - some look cool, some are realistic, creative, or have an interesting theme or premise. I still gotta give it to the Lost Fleet, despite the soft scifi handwaving in things like shields and inertial dampeners, despite the (seemingly intentional) 90s action movie in space vibe, each in-universe rule and battle builds on the previous in a way that feels natural, instead of contrived for a cheap twist and thrill. It very effective creates its own charming little bubble of realism.
The Expanse is my favorite one of the four. Actually showing newton's laws is amazing
I love them all. I love the Expanse for it's realism, I love BSG for its unique tactics and concepts, I love Star Wars for its simplicity, and I love Star Trek for its tension.
Everyone does love a good space battle
Can you do a video commenting your opnion about how Dave Filoni developed the Jedi in clone wars as an institution that made big mistakes and if that deviated from what George Lucas developed the jedi to symbolically represent in history? Do you think this "subversion" ended up working and giving the story the depth it needed? Do you think that George Lucas already raised this question, but didn't develop it in the story of the Prequels because that wasn't the focus of the plot?
I know you didn't ask me, but I would love to see a video on this because I think that the latter option is closest to the case. Especially considering Filoni worked with Lucas on the general direction of TCW. But yeah that would be an awesome vid topic.
George is the one who was in charge of seasons 1-6. There are entire episodes he personally wrote with no help. The Droid team episodes and yodas journey and the Mortis arc.
If you look at some of the older Expanded Universe stuff (plus the slavery thing in Phantom Menace), the Jedi were definitely intended to be flawed and somewhat responsible for their own downfall.
Scientist: Sound in space?! What kind of universe are they living in?
Star Wars Fan: One with magic space wizards. Now shut up and let me watch.
The most important thing is that it looks good
In film and television, there are very few depictions of space warfare that even try.
_Legend of the Galactic Heroes_ is still the best found in such media. In print, that goes to E.E. Smith's _Lensmen_ series (where, in time, _entire solar systems_ are battlefields).
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Battlefront 2 had some really stiff controlls but was still a hell of a time
Which iteration?
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Great video, love your videos and channel 👍
3:59 also watch The Expanse if you want to see realistic space combat
Space battle moment.
Time for some fancy flying’!
1:09 Hold up, that the kid from Mass Effect 3!
Nice video, good work.
If you wanna see realistic space combat the expanse is the best there is
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Or the book writers take way too many liberties and exaggerations with what is seen visually. Someone needs to get them (Authors and directors) on the same page.
Star wars space battls are epic
Could you imagine how way more epic space battles would have been if they had just moved up a little bit
The Expanse has THE MOST realistic space combat EVER filmed!!
True.
And it's bad.
I was initially excited about how scientifically accurate the show was (imaginary aliens aside).
In fact, the whole reason I started watching it is that it was heavily promoted by a science channel I follow.
I always thought that you could do hard sci-fi and make it good.
The overexcited fans told me that this was proof you could do hard sci-fi and make it good.
But then *_The Expanse_* convinced me otherwise.
Dead guys with magnetic boots just standing there in Zero-G like macabre zombie dolls and providing cover for those who are still alive in a shoot out was *THE ONLY* time them being scientifically accurate provided a minor plot point that was interesting.
And that lasted a second.
The rest of it is just:
- either limitations to the story, making some scenes much less cool than they could be because of a misguided need to be faithful to the current limitations of human technology;
- or pointless physics lessons that add nothing to the story;
- or even real plot points that are very bad and detract from the story's overall quality.
Killing off a beloved main character by aneurism / heart attack / whatever after using the fast spaceship travel, while absolutely scientifically possible, is a total narrative suicide.
In normal movies and shows set on Earth, you never have one core member of the cast killed off in a car accident (that was truly an accident, and not suicide or homicide) for no reason.
Sure, it *COULD* happen.
But normal writers don't feel the need to educate us on the fact that car accidents could happen, and they certainly don't dumb down their plots to do so.
To quote Benoit Blanc, it's not "so dumb it's genius"... it's just dumb.
And you're all a bunch of Birdie Jays. 😅
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It's you, isn't it? 🤣
I can tell by the unnecessary, gratuitous aggression and the total lack of anything intelligent to say. 😉
@@happyslapsgiving5421 Did a main character actually die from a heart attack? Was there at least setup for it like them having a heart condition or otherwise a weak heart?
The biggest military ships are carriers which are just over 900 metres long some capital ships are near 5 kilometers in length
And the dreadnoughts fear nothing at all!
A modern small nuclear bomb have 300 kt charge - french Tête nucléaire aéroportée - Airborne nuclear warhead (TNA) - ... I have a doubt about it , it's more like Little Boy scale of power for turbolaser about 5 kt.
Epic moment
Why aren’t proton torpedoes used by capital ships?
They are. But they have limited usefulness, as if you're not careful, they'll just be blown up by point-defense systems.
My biggest problem with space battles in the movies is that they are so chaotic and seemingly devoid of tactics. The only "proper" space battles with big capital ships on both sides we see in the movies are the start of Revenge of the Sith and the battle of Endor in Return of the Jedi (I think?)
In Revenge of the Sith, the fact that the space battle for Courucant was so chaotic because the Separatists came out of nowhere and the Republic had to throw in reinforcements piecemeal as quickly as possible, so that it all devolved into a moshpit of ships fighting at much closer range than usual, was not really communicated very well to the viewers... For most movie-viewers, that is just the only instance of space combat they have seen, so they don't have a less chaotic space battle to compare it to. That's why I like the Clone Wars space battles better...
The battle of Endor is fine in terms of explaining why things go down the way they do. The rebels move their big ships to point blank-range against the star destroyers in order to protect them against the death star. No problem. I just wish we had seen more combat-action from the Mon Calamari cruisers and other Rebel-capital ships in that battle... But, that's 1983 special effects-limitations for you, I guess?
Watching these explain videos makes me question if I really like star wars.
Well you wouldn’t be watching if you weren’t
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Why are the turbo lasers called that if the projectiles that they launch are technically particle beams.
Because somebody invented Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation, someone else turned the acronym into a word, a third person invented particle beams, and a fourth person said that the two look the same and should therefore have the same name.
I would love a game that had two player controlled capital ships fighting each other.
Well, we kinda have that with Star Wars Empire at War (and its many mods).
@@virgiljianu7166 Umm that’s an Rts. I meant multiple people in two different capital ships doing things like piloting, using the guns, fly star fighters, boarding, etc
@@theelectricgamer9889 Oh, my bad then, I misread your comment. Although I think such a game does kind of exist, Angels Fall First.
@@theelectricgamer9889 yeah we will never get a game like that and thats a good thing. This game screams "only play it with friends" it would die in an instant, the money invested into this game could be used for way better purposes.
What about a world of warships style game but with Star Wars?
I love any lore I can get from Star Wars. Thank you so much for still uploading as much as you do ❤ 👍
Tell that to a Vanjervalis-Chain :D - Those did exactly that: Surround a planet and coordinate the ships in such a way that blockad-running was next to impossible :D
Me sat in the sheild room with my slicer on BF2: oh yeah our sheilds are never falling
Honestly the scale of Star Wars makes no sense. 25,000 Star Destroyers for an empire the size of the Galactic Empire?
Well they have sector governors but that’s the empire for you. At least the new republic has PSP.
@@patrickiamonfire965 My point was that 25,000 Star Destroyers is not anywhere near enough
@@ZontarDowthey probably had ships in the thousands covering the galaxies to also cover certain parts of the Galactic Empire that doesn’t require a Star Destroyer to patrol
@@davidvasquez08 I think you're underestimating just how big space is 25,000 might just be enough for a couple hundred solar systems maybe.
@@argo9721 I’m not, but I’m not ignoring the other ships the Empire wielded during its short, albeit dark reign
Admiral thrawn every space battle:" time to make the literal fabric of space my bitch"
That kid in the clones arms. Pretty sure he is the same kid from Mass Effect 3.
I always hated space battles in og bf2 cause I didn’t know how to lock on to enemies
check out The Expanse if you really want some good and realistic space battle
Now I’m thinking about the fact that directly taking a hit from a turbo laser in the force unleashed doesn’t instantly vaporize that entire area of raxis prime
would the naboo 1 be a superiority fighter or a snub fighter
Witch kind of roman of episode 3 do you recoment?
So, “Snub Fighter” is Star Wars for multi-Role Fighter?
Yes
It's funny how people say they would want to be a republic soldier but do not think about how scary it would be in space combat.
Clone Pilots vs Rebel pilots I wonder who would win
Is 3:20 an explanation for what we do in Star Wars: Squadrons? kekw
Attention, sergeant on deck? Do you stand at attention for noncoms? Since when?
Could you do the lengths in feet also. Americans don't understand French talk
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2: republic AT AT
3: more cis battle droid videos
"Starfighters... were capable of speeds up to several thousand gees"
This kind of thing is why I turn my brain off while watching Star Wars.
In space, your top speed is lightspeed, so acceleration is more important than actual speed. Until friction with the aether gets to you, that is...
But it might be a good idea to just ignore the numbers that people come up with, as those people seem to care more about the size of the numbers than whether they make sense.
Some things never change though... NEVER saw either a Star Destroyer, Mon Cal Cruiser OR a Battlestar or Base Star alike EVER try to fight upside down... An don't see how they even could either.. especially where there's NO onboard grav systems to hold things down.. an if any that can WOULDN'T everyone's blood still be rushing to your head an expose often under armored and underarmed vulnerable ship areas you don't want wide open anyways???
What about Babylon 5
Is MajorKill the narrator for this channel too?
So wait all those space battles I wrote for fanfics where I based them off of what I saw in the movies and shows weren't actually how they worked?
0:55-1:01: A quote from the Revenge of the Sith Novelization on this channel? Why that's completely unprecedented. LOL.
3:18-3:28: Wait, wouldn't flying backwards toward enemies who are shooting at you be kind of stupid? You'd fly right at them so they could hit you. Unless you do the Plo Koon maneuver, cut you're engines so you're opponents just sail past you, then shoot them from behind.
9:45-9:51: Or just do what Anakin did during the Battle of Boz Pity, Hyperspace Jump right into the planet's atmosphere and just pry to the Force that you don't end up crashing any worse than he did.
Depends on perspectives.
That sarcasm?
I think there's a name for that maneuver.
Hence "happy landings."
@@michaelandreipalon359 So then what I wrote was still true. From a certain point of view. lol.
Yes. Yes, it was. Did I not make it obvious?
Well, whatever it is I don't know the name.
"Another happy landing." XD.
So, flying backwards isn't actually that bad of an idea, especially in a dogfight where you'll be basically on a straight line to your enemy, pass them, then need to turn. If you turn and stay on that same path, it's really smart and allows you to immediately begin thrust and firing at the enemy
It’s probably extremely hard to really do those large space battles in a coherent movie. Star Wars has always focused on the stories of individual combatants so, until The Clone Wars cartoon series, that is. The Clone Wars gave us more access to strategies, but these strategies were not well developed or executed (on screen or in the screenwriter’s room) in the show and come off as very amateur more often then not.
Star Wars works on the rule of cool. Space battles are there to get the audience excited. Combat tactics are based mostly on WWII here on earth than any consideration for realism in space. And that's fine. Sometimes I just want to be entertained. Most of the audience don't care about G-forces, inertia, I could go on. But done well, realism can be exciting also. And, to me at least, realism adds tension that you just can't get without it. Just watch the battles in The Expanse to see what realistic space combat can be like.
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That's a skill issue. Just dig deeper.
The Prequels has the coolest ship designs and the Originals have the coolest space battles.
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Space bombers fighter plaes were used to destroy engines, or in the case of morons who welded shield stuff to the outside of the armor, bombe them.
No that's wrong,
in the case of star destroyers, concussive missile were enough. NO, not proton torpedoes (stronger, more powerfull than concussion missiles)
If you take down the sheilds, you can shoot guns and comand bridges.
Figheters were super effective.
THe bombers could have bombers fly in a line and drop their payload one at a time in a line, causing a line of bombs that drilled all the way down through the armoe, throguh the hull, deep inot the ship until hitting and destroying targets like sheild generators or fuel containers.
Lol no. We never see fighters do that on screen.
Read the script for revenge of the sith, the fighters destroy sensors after the shields were taken out.
Not a single capital ship is taken out by fighters in the movies. And the dialogue supports the idea that fighters were mostly useless against large ships. The death star is said to be unusual due to its single weakspot over looked by the empire.
If fighters and bombers were thag effective against star destroyers then the rebels wouldn't of had to build that giant ion cannon they had in empire strikes back.
The fact if the matter is fighters are useless against a shielded capital ship and only can do minor damage after shields are down, bombers are a threat but only a minor one due to point defense, fighter screens and shields.
Turbolasers are powerful, until they aren't like the time Thrawn bombarded the Lothal Rebels, then they were more like mortar bombardments. Honestly there are as many examples of turbolasers being weaker then ww1 artillery as there are with them destroying asteroids like they were nothing.
They are as strong as the plot.
What speed would "1000 G"
Using the G now in our physics it would be an acceleration not speed
Lightspeed--if you accelerate for long enough, anyway. Not that you could actually get to lightspeed without a hyperdrive, but close enough. But yeah, he clearly didn't think about that one.
Pew pew.
That makesbsense
Wing Commander and Freespace did all SW did and better.
Bonus for the Original Tie Fighter and X-Wing games, which gave justice for it because george was at the helm at lucas arts.
Battlefront games NEVER felt right at all
Sorry, "snubfighters" is slang, not a category. It's like saying helicopters are divided between "Attack helicopters" and "choppers" :)
Small nuclear bombs an understatement. Calcs done on the firepower of a turbolaser were put far in excess of gigatons, an ISD's broadside was about 15000 megatons of energy assuming one shot per second.
I focused on destroying the support ships and damaging the capital ship's systems inside and out, rather than engaging in dog fights in battlefront ll most of the time.
And then The Last Jedi had to introduce hyperspace ramming. Congratulations Disney. You degraded Star Wars.
So, we're not going to acknowledge the Destruction of Pammant from Legends, which established that hyperspace ramming could be catastrophic to planets? The following is taken directly from the Wookieepedia article.
"The underground factories on the planet Pammant had been utilized throughout the Wars for Separatist warship production.
"That came to an end when the Republic Praetor-class Star Battlecruiser Quaestor's hyperdrive was damaged by torpedo droids and an unintended jump to hyperspace occurred, causing the Quaestor to collide with the planet, fracturing it to its core and polluting the atmosphere with radiation."
I love takes like these, because I can tell which people are sheeping.
@@sambridgers9543 yeah.. I thought the fact that they included this in a canon film was pretty cool.. the act of hyperspace ramming itself.
I hope i get to live in Star Wars one day. I fucking hate this universe.
Unfortunately, I doubt Star Wars would be any better. Or perhaps fortunately, as we can't exactly get there without some sort of time machine and probably a hyperdrive.
Pff, "Fleets are made up of many differant ship types" Shows the Zyston mob.
To Geetsly's: I wanted you and your team to think that the concept of nation state is possible in the galactic civilization stage like in Star Wars or not. After all, the Outer Rim has been mistreated by all forms of central governments and their corporate entities for who knows how long. So why don't the sectors in the Outer Rim formed alliances with each other to rule themselves as their own nation states while also keeping those like the Hutts, the pirates and the slavers away from them?
Lack of resources, in short
They did try and do that, but it was high jacked by the sith. What you describe is the orginal core of the separatist movement.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 But they can do that again now that the Sith have been defeated.
Hey OG BF2 is still better and has cooler features then the new one
Boarding capital ships is far more common than you give it credit for, Anakin alone does it like 400 times during the clone wars, and its just about every other episode's plot too lmfao
I wonder if and when we'll see any truly accurate space navy battles?
You have at least 1 spam bot in your comment section impersonating you. :)
Did... Did you really just say, "nu-CUE-ler" bomb...? Come on, man...
The Senate made the space battles work.
Just to be clear, Star Wars battles didn't even happen, because it's only a franchise of movies/games/merchandise etc. OK? It's not real and thus can't be depicted inaccurately. Move on people.
I thought you were going to say The Expanse or B5 for "realism" in space battle. Not grimdark super edgy super gritty BSG. Geez, that show's direction tainted a good many space-based productions ever since just because it gained such an overrated following and made others want to emulate it.
It's always made me laugh that Star Wars HAD to add noises to the space battles even though there wouldn't be any noises. It would be really weird, boring, anticlimactic to have silence during the space battles! It would be realistic but movies are supposed to be escapes from reality! Not so much lately though with the WOKE garbage being put out! I.E. the last trilogy! The Message has been more important than the story!
Well actually there would be noises, within the ships. The impacts of enemy weapons, the fireing of your own, and any other component taht generates vibrations would causes noice.
Star Wars has never mande sense when it comes to space battles. In most books they have to be within 2 km's to be able to hit their giant target as in their weapons only can go about 2 km's. But they are able to park in orbit and fire on land targets while being hundreds if not thousands of kilometers away.....makes no sense then why battles are taken place while capital ships are hundreds to thousand of kilometers away instead of HAVING to be with a 2km range. Oh, and can't travel in a three dimensiol way either.
Is MajorKill the narrator for this channel too?