I guess the Orokin did eventually find out about the pregnancy and turned them both into warframes as punishment, and Jade was still pregnant despite becoming a warframe.
@@t20bry33 Good question. Perhaps Stalker thought Jade was among the people the Tenno killed and Stalker believed that we robbed him of his lover and unborn child. I guess he did not know that she was turned into a warframe. But this leads to another question. Where has Jade been all this time between the events of her transformation into a warframe and the events of the mission?
@@astephens3600 I doubt the Stalker "remembered", given how he wonders in the beggining the motive of why Jade saved him (Wich i imagine was on the orokin slaugther). I don't believe that Jade is "full umbra", she being "inactive" could explain the long "gestation", somehow awaken between the return of the Tenno and the New War, resuming the pregnancy
The thing is that stalker was surprised at the discovery of the operator which means he didn’t know about them at all. So it’s possible that Jade and Stalker are both umbral frames but clearly jade took massive damage
@@archon7105 Indeed, for from the lore presently in game, Stalker had believed the Prime Warframes of the Old War (i.e. those who fought in the Old War) had been like him, but had betrayed the Golden Masters, until he saw us for what we were and couldn’t bring himself to kill us, until Hunhow declared his hatred wasn’t enough and took control, prior to War being broken. Misery, however, does seem to be the only Acolyte who knows what we are, but is uncaring of this detail, perhaps revealing they were far more psychotic or sadistic in life before his punishment.
27:12 When they were discovered, they had been used as fodder for the experiments and became Warframes. While Jade had been impregnated before the processed occurred as per the dialogue, the child survived the process, still developing within her.
Yeah, they are like Umbra where they managed to keep their consciousness when infested and turned into warframes. I'm under the impression that Jade was turned into a warframe while pregnant as well but the Orokin either turned her while pregnant or didn't know she was pregnant when she was turned into a Warframe and found out about it afterwards.
Warframes are not empty pieces of machinery. Have you forgotten The Sacrifice? Also yes, Stalker will not fight if a Jade is in the squad. He simply says "Never", drops his loot and leaves.
Looks like Jade and Stalker are both Umbra, they where once people, turned into warframes, with enough will to allow her to partially protect the baby in her womb from oblivion, the voracity of the infestation and him, a burning reckless hate keeping him from going totally insane but forgetting most of what he was before the transformation.
Stalker and Jade didn't have operators. Sorren was turned into a warframe like Umbra was. Sorren IS Stalker and Jade IS Jade. Stalker and Jade in this quest are umbral frames, autonomous.
Also that explain "Lower Guardians" in Stalker lore are Umbras, peoples turn into first versions of each warframes. Each story in Index or Laveria is about original frames/Umbra who was never have operator. And operators was use mass produced, infested clones dolls based on originals
@@ishiblack7497 about the term "Umbra" that we use to describe autonomous frames. It's my belief that it's not a class of Warframes, it's the name of the person that was turned into the Warframe.
Yeah this quest is wild. Also that one dev stream question aged like a fine wine Also the last person to stab the Tenno was ballas. And yeah it didn’t end well for him
So from what I understand is that Jade most likely took part in the slaughtering of the Orokin but eventually re-gain control of herself and saved stalker from the Tenno’s wrath at the cost of being severely injured and pouring all of her energy in to keeping their child alive.🐱
No. Any of Umbras aka OG frames, aka Lower Guardians was not controled by Tenno. Slaughter was mostly made by Tenno under influence of Lotus. But im sure some of them use occasion during chaos to get revange on their slavers, like Voruna or Ash. Stalker was probably brainwashed as part of his punishment to protect his masters instead his family and after Orokin gone, he go insane.
People don't seam to hear she was pregnant before she became a warframe in the Lua dialogue part she was turned into a warframe while pregnant easy explanation.
At this point you subsume mass produce clone dolls. Every story about warframes we encounter was about og frames, peoples turn into warframes aka Umbras. And operators was use copies
I have a theory: This quest had to happen now for WF1999. I think when we return from WF1999, we're going to experience a time jump. We will return at a future date from when we leave. The Stalker will become a "Guardian" of the Origin System while we're gone, he has the motivation to do it now. When we get back, the Warframe Child will likely grow up, where it potentially sets up Stalker receiving an overhaul. And then, we will likely acquire him. Also: Sorren and Jade were turned into warframes...meaning Jade was infected while being pregnant. This just makes Ballas all the more sinister.
I Imagine, like Umbra, Soren/Stalker was going to be turned into an Excalibur warframe by default but their consciousnesses surviving made them into something different. Jade kept her consciousness as well when turned into a warframe but I wonder if she was designed to be the Jade Warframe or was she meant to be one of the other warframes but developed into a unique warframe and kept her consciousness because she was pregnant (I.e. more motivation to keep her mind)?
@@urazz7739 bro I haven't played warframe in like 4 years. & ill just watching recent quests on RUclips lol. I'm really sorry idk what are you talking about
@@urazz7739 It’s actually more of what Ballas refers to as the rejects, who exhibit imperfections. Their bolt might keep them loyal, but they do not meet Ballas’ standard, and so they become Low Guardians, cannon fodder.
"Tenno stalker" does not equal Tenno in her mind. Edit: stalker killed all the invaders and the coprus said they lost contact implying they dis not get the base location.
operators can't be adults per the zeriman as only the children survived and sorren and jade clearly arent children, they cant be operators, instead like umbra, they we're people turned into warframes, but stalker has his own wonkiness
I guess the Orokin did eventually find out about the pregnancy and turned them both into warframes as punishment, and Jade was still pregnant despite becoming a warframe.
So why is stalker pissed we killed the orkin then?
Programing maybe
@@t20bry33 Good question. Perhaps Stalker thought Jade was among the people the Tenno killed and Stalker believed that we robbed him of his lover and unborn child. I guess he did not know that she was turned into a warframe. But this leads to another question. Where has Jade been all this time between the events of her transformation into a warframe and the events of the mission?
@@astephens3600 I doubt the Stalker "remembered", given how he wonders in the beggining the motive of why Jade saved him (Wich i imagine was on the orokin slaugther). I don't believe that Jade is "full umbra", she being "inactive" could explain the long "gestation", somehow awaken between the return of the Tenno and the New War, resuming the pregnancy
@@diegoaraya6560 That could actually be true.
This confirms that Stalker is an umbral warframe, now he’s a father and his wife died, giving birth to their child
It was already known he was a Low Guardian, which are cannon fodder warframes, like those who died during Ivara’s trial.
He still could still definitely have another form somewhere on lua, that’s why I think he’s at lua
The thing is that stalker was surprised at the discovery of the operator which means he didn’t know about them at all. So it’s possible that Jade and Stalker are both umbral frames but clearly jade took massive damage
@@archon7105 Indeed, for from the lore presently in game, Stalker had believed the Prime Warframes of the Old War (i.e. those who fought in the Old War) had been like him, but had betrayed the Golden Masters, until he saw us for what we were and couldn’t bring himself to kill us, until Hunhow declared his hatred wasn’t enough and took control, prior to War being broken. Misery, however, does seem to be the only Acolyte who knows what we are, but is uncaring of this detail, perhaps revealing they were far more psychotic or sadistic in life before his punishment.
@hiddendesire3076 What are the acolytes? I've never really understood what they are besides stalkers edgy emo goblin minions
27:12 When they were discovered, they had been used as fodder for the experiments and became Warframes. While Jade had been impregnated before the processed occurred as per the dialogue, the child survived the process, still developing within her.
I think it's a case of jade and stalker both being umbra situations, less a case of them having operators. Jade was probably turned while pregnant
Stalker never had a Tenno/Operator. He was a Low Guardian. Cannon Fodder warframes.
Yeah, they are like Umbra where they managed to keep their consciousness when infested and turned into warframes. I'm under the impression that Jade was turned into a warframe while pregnant as well but the Orokin either turned her while pregnant or didn't know she was pregnant when she was turned into a Warframe and found out about it afterwards.
Warframes are not empty pieces of machinery. Have you forgotten The Sacrifice?
Also yes, Stalker will not fight if a Jade is in the squad. He simply says "Never", drops his loot and leaves.
17:56 Given the age of the individuals shown, Sorren IS Stalker.
7:36 No they said the Tenno-Hunter. They know it’s Stalker, just not why we want the bioplasma.
*WHO IN DE ADDED A GIVING BIRTH QUICK TIME EVENT BECAUSE I HAVE SOME WORDS*
Looks like Jade and Stalker are both Umbra, they where once people, turned into warframes, with enough will to allow her to partially protect the baby in her womb from oblivion, the voracity of the infestation and him, a burning reckless hate keeping him from going totally insane but forgetting most of what he was before the transformation.
So he was remember hate but not remember against who? And his Indeks info was effect of Orokin brainwash to turn him into loyal dog?
Stalker and Jade didn't have operators. Sorren was turned into a warframe like Umbra was. Sorren IS Stalker and Jade IS Jade. Stalker and Jade in this quest are umbral frames, autonomous.
Also that explain "Lower Guardians" in Stalker lore are Umbras, peoples turn into first versions of each warframes. Each story in Index or Laveria is about original frames/Umbra who was never have operator. And operators was use mass produced, infested clones dolls based on originals
@@ishiblack7497 about the term "Umbra" that we use to describe autonomous frames. It's my belief that it's not a class of Warframes, it's the name of the person that was turned into the Warframe.
Yes, if you play as Jade in a mission, stalker will say “Never,” drop his items and leave
Yeah this quest is wild. Also that one dev stream question aged like a fine wine
Also the last person to stab the Tenno was ballas. And yeah it didn’t end well for him
More like the chat that asked that question and gave Reb and the writers at DE cursed ideas that wouldn't leave them. 🤣
to be fair there was an underlying world domination clause that the operator did not disclose to the stalker
Timing contractions in warframe is a crazy thing i never began to think was even a possibility
So from what I understand is that Jade most likely took part in the slaughtering of the Orokin but eventually re-gain control of herself and saved stalker from the Tenno’s wrath at the cost of being severely injured and pouring all of her energy in to keeping their child alive.🐱
No. Any of Umbras aka OG frames, aka Lower Guardians was not controled by Tenno. Slaughter was mostly made by Tenno under influence of Lotus. But im sure some of them use occasion during chaos to get revange on their slavers, like Voruna or Ash. Stalker was probably brainwashed as part of his punishment to protect his masters instead his family and after Orokin gone, he go insane.
I missed a few dots so my baby probably came out half baked😂😢
People don't seam to hear she was pregnant before she became a warframe in the Lua dialogue part she was turned into a warframe while pregnant easy explanation.
I saw lot of streamers having problems with puting 2+2 during that quest
To answer your question yes stalker will not attack if jade is in your squad.
Also sorren and jade weren’t the operators of jade and stalker. They ARE the warframes jade and stalker never had operators.
Jade being pregnant once she was turned into a Warframe explain why she has can equip 2 Aura mods... somehow, subsuming a warframe got even sicker😬
At this point you subsume mass produce clone dolls. Every story about warframes we encounter was about og frames, peoples turn into warframes aka Umbras. And operators was use copies
I have a theory:
This quest had to happen now for WF1999.
I think when we return from WF1999, we're going to experience a time jump. We will return at a future date from when we leave.
The Stalker will become a "Guardian" of the Origin System while we're gone, he has the motivation to do it now.
When we get back, the Warframe Child will likely grow up, where it potentially sets up Stalker receiving an overhaul.
And then, we will likely acquire him.
Also: Sorren and Jade were turned into warframes...meaning Jade was infected while being pregnant.
This just makes Ballas all the more sinister.
Fact : shadow stalker & Excalibur have the same body. Then difference between them is the head & colors 😉
I Imagine, like Umbra, Soren/Stalker was going to be turned into an Excalibur warframe by default but their consciousnesses surviving made them into something different. Jade kept her consciousness as well when turned into a warframe but I wonder if she was designed to be the Jade Warframe or was she meant to be one of the other warframes but developed into a unique warframe and kept her consciousness because she was pregnant (I.e. more motivation to keep her mind)?
@@urazz7739 bro I haven't played warframe in like 4 years. & ill just watching recent quests on RUclips lol. I'm really sorry idk what are you talking about
@@urazz7739 It’s actually more of what Ballas refers to as the rejects, who exhibit imperfections. Their bolt might keep them loyal, but they do not meet Ballas’ standard, and so they become Low Guardians, cannon fodder.
Also you didn’t need the male the juggernaut, since the bow does a lot of damage to it.🐱
Basicaly every stream on that point forget how Juggernaut mechanics works after powercreep metas
all you had to do was stay on the damn lift cj
still can't get over the quick time event
"Tenno stalker" does not equal Tenno in her mind.
Edit: stalker killed all the invaders and the coprus said they lost contact implying they dis not get the base location.
How do you get the rest of the the parts?
This was epic quest warframe needs a movie or show
Also I too need a part 2 this quest is to nutty not to have one
I think we need more hunhow
Pregnant with the MIGHTY SEER
They are not operators they are like umbra
this is the first time umbra has been mentioned since his quest. Disappointing
*very* ,he has so much potential
operators can't be adults per the zeriman as only the children survived and sorren and jade clearly arent children, they cant be operators, instead like umbra, they we're people turned into warframes, but stalker has his own wonkiness
first
Can Warframes get pregnant? Do you remember that question? This is the answer to that question i guess, kinda.
They'd have to be converted into Warframes while pregnant. They probably can't conceive, but they can carry a baby to term.