NieR:Automata Simone The Opera Singer Lore
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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NieR:Automata was the first game in the series I played and I absolutely loved it. I decided to make a video on my favorite boss in the game seeing as there's no info out there! I've been working on this video for about 4 days now and am exhausted. I wish I could of spent more time on it but I wanted to finish this project before Mass Effect Andromeda came out. Let me know if you want to see more NieR content in the comments below. Thanks for watching!
Who's the one cuck out of 3000 people that disliked this!
SNOW SOS Haha, don't worry about it, it's more like a badge of honor when you get a dislike on a good video. Who knows, you might have a dedicated dislike'r which is even better.
Lol I never thought of it that way. Thanks!
Lol it's all about perspective.
now 2.
Havoctheend fite me
Simone is honestly the most intriguing character in the game so far for me
The amusement park In general is my favorite area in the game
Adrale4gotten Ya I agree. Although I think the Android and Machines in general are quite interesting in their behavior (if their emotions are real or imitations). If I make another video on NieR that's what it will probably be about.
Adrale4gotten absolutely, i felt tricked when nothing else at that level happened. visiting the factory for the religious bit was entertaining too. the rest was meaningless fetchquests to fill the time.
the factory religon segment was so i credible to me but i do wish we had more antagonist in the story that felt as fleshed out as simone, i like adam and eve but they didnt get enough screen time
the song blew me AWAY! You can hear her sorrow through her boss theme song. Especially when you listen to the last verse
Adrale4gotten "we all... become as gods." jumps into the molten steel with mechanic precision and iron conviction. if thats not deep, i dont know what is :)
Hey, man. Nice video. There is a couple of things you may want to know. Simone is a reference to Simone de Beauvoir the great Feminist, who was the lover to Jean Paul Sartre. They stuck together during all their lives.
However, Sartre was some kind of an asshole. His personality was very self-centered and his existentialism took him on a permanent adventure to experience different emotions, pleasures and perceptions which usually involved others.
They idea of "I want him to look at me" is a reference to the philosophy of the other of Sartre and the existentialists, which Simone was part of. The idea of the "other's gaze" refers to the need that every I needs of a not-I to fully realize its existence and being. Everyone need of other to find justification or purpose in its life, which we get through different relationships. The main example is love, which means that someone gaze has freely chosen you as the best object of this world and looks up for you as such. Real love, for Sartre, exists when both individuals has freely chosen each other as justification for both existences.
Sartre was really excessive in his endeavor, which meant that he permanently had intercourses with different persons. This french man really believed on what now days we know as "poly-love", which for his own philosophy putted his loved one in danger. He didn't really cared, for his conclusion was that every human relationship ends as a disaster.
This point is really discussed on the feminist circles, for contemporary feminism believes and practices free-love, the exploration of sexuality and the deconstruction of old love relationships, which sometimes mean having multiple sexual partners at the same time that you only love one person without constraints or rules. This was very much Sartre and Simone's relationship. However, many people, me included, believe that Simone suffered greatly of this relation. Her first work, the novel L'invitée (She Came to Stay), comments on the life that both of them had while living with all Sartre's sexual partners. The maddening circumstance of loving someone and failing to be the perfect object for his or her gaze. What it means to be left as a unjustified existence which fails to find meaning on those who love?
Automata greatly comment on this issues through that Arc and almost the entire story. The quest for meaning and the struggle to find it within the illusive other. The eternal fighting and tragedies that they implicate through the references to class struggle of Marx and Engels, and the structure of the conscience which is only achieved through the structure of a world of war with others (that subtle but profound reference to Hegel and his philosophy of the Master and Slave on A2's Arc): loved ones, enemies, friends, companions, the ugly and beauty, and so on.
I hope you find this somewhat interesting. See ya!
I'm currently writing a Poetics article using Nier: Automata, and this is one of the things I'm talking about. Simone says that she did research on the old world in order to figure out what "beauty" was, so if you look at her comments about ornamentation and the fact that she specifically wears a mask, I think it's highly plausible that she read "The Second Sex" (or part of it) and what we're seeing is a horrendous misunderstanding of de Beauvoir's original work (in the same way that the machines misconstrue the text of Romeo and Juliet). (Of course, the point I'm making with it is that de Beauvoir's intention doesn't matter; what matters is how the text performs in this iteration of itself, in this context.)
"Makeup and jewels were also used for this petrification of the body and face. The function of dress and ornaments is highly complex; for some primitives, it had a sacred character; but its most usual role was to complete woman’s metamorphosis into an idol. An equivocal idol: man wanted her erotic, for her beauty to be part of that of flowers and fruits; but she also had to be smooth, hard, eternal like a stone. The role of dress is both to link the body more closely to and to wrest it away from nature, to give a necessarily set artifice to palpitating life. Woman was turned into plant, panther, diamond, or mother-of-pearl by mingling flowers, furs, precious stones, shells, and feathers on her body; she perfumed herself so as to smell of roses and lilies: but feathers, silk, pearls, and perfumes also worked to hide the animal rawness from its flesh and odor. She painted her mouth and her cheeks to acquire a mask’s immobile solidity; her gaze was imprisoned in the thickness of kohl and mascara, it was no longer anything but her eyes’ shimmering ornamentation; braided, curled, or sculpted, her hair lost its
troublesome vegetal mystery. In the embellished woman, Nature was present but captive, shaped by a human will in accordance with man’s desire" (de Beauvoir 211).
oh my god. Thank you for this comment. YOu're amazing for sharing this. I now want to read more about these people!
Hey this is an old comment, but just to add, Simone de Beauvoir was also really into what makes a person a woman, and was of the opinion that someone becomes a woman, and that being female was a product of socialization and roles. Which ties in with Nier’s Simone’s obsession with beauty and making herself look feminine.
The first two comments here are amazing and what i was hoping to find in the video (i failed)
I don’t cry over much, but this had me in tears. Such brokenness........she destroyed herself for him, and he couldn’t care less. She’s more human than she’ll ever know.
After playing, I thought her crush was Pascal lol, although Pascal has a girls voice but is called a guy
Yea...
@@Beastking800 leave my boy Pascal and his feminine voice alone ]:
I think that altho its mainly Jean Pauls fault we wouldnt put the blame on a human man so we need to do this same for machines. She shouldve taken the loss but as this emotions thing is new for machines it was only a matter of time till some of them would break, i mean some humans break after too much emotions aswell so yah
Makes sense as well as the machines learning about fear by Pascal but they couldnt handle this new emotion and understanding so they became suicidal@@hanoli7933
*SPOILERS AHEAD, READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!*
14:40 *"History is doomed to repeat itself."*
And that is the cycle of suffering throughout the whole game as one of the themes. Just like with the whole Yorha Project and how 2B had to kill 9S over and over again prevent him from knowing too much (especially when she said; "It always ends like this"). What you said in the video describes 2B's quote perfectly;
*"Everything that lives is designed to end. We are perpetually trapped in a never-ending spiral of life and death. Is this a curse? Or some kind of punishment? I often think about the god who blessed us with this cryptic puzzle...and wonder if we'll ever get the chance to kill him."*
We in this world by our ignorance not by God. There is no God.
She wanted senpai to notice her ;-;
Simone is my all-time FAVORITE boss in the game to fight, AND I love her whole origin and motive, I actually felt sympathetic in a way! The music for it is my Favorite from the OST too. SO YA IM OBSESSED. 💯
I love how i didnt even notice the little robot head on the 1st playthrough This game is astounding
So Simone is when "Please notice me Senpai" was taken to the extreme, becoming the dreaded yanderes.
definitely one of the best story for a boss.
Hey I think I might know what the "treasures" refer to in the context of the game, I think they actually do not refer to emotions, but refer more to philosophies, unlike Nier the original, a large amount of bosses and characters are named after famous philosophical writers and I think this is actually meant to mean something. One example is that in the cutscene where it refers to "One machine treasured his older sibling" I originally thought it was referring to Eve, but on completing my first watch of a playthrough, I realized it must actually refer to the cult of machines with buckets on their head that worship their "Big Brother". 9S also makes note of how when a machine is shown that their philosophy fails, they do not actually learn from it and try again with no changes.
What I mean is that I think machines do not actually have trouble emoting, but they do have trouble understanding it, and thus turn heavily to philosophy to try and understand their inner emotional workings better but often get incredible tunnel vision.
Oh that's interesting. I guess my question is what would the treasures like "treasured family above all else" mean in terms of philosophy. Some of the treasures are oddly specific and too simple to be obviously and one philosophy. Also the specific cutscene in this video at 10:05 the second machines "treasured its older sister" refers to a side quest where you go find her missing sister that went looking for parts for her sister and gets lost. I would argue that these instances are more likely to be tied to mimicking an emotion/obsession or an aspect of one. I think the machines use of philosophy is used to show them become more human like personally (although I'm not sure I would word it like that).
Treasure family above all else to me seems to strongly refer to the robots in the forest kingdom as the now deceased forest king referred to the kingdom as a family at one point. Also why do you think the older sibling refers to the sidequest? I just wanna hear your reasoning since there are at least two instances in the main story of machines valuing a sibling, Eve, and the Big Brother robots. And I could indeed be wrong about the philosophy, a quick look at Pascal's wiki page doesn't seem to show many similarities in his philosophy with the Pascal in game
Xward 555 Like "Marx" and "Engels"
Creators of Communism
"Treasure" most likely are "raison d'être" called by us human.
😀👌that sounds really human to me
If you attack the robot statue enough time it attacks back
WHY WOULD U ATTACK THE LITTLE GUY!
Must purge earth from filthy machine scum
FREE MACHINE CORES AND LEVELS FOR YEARS MY GUY
I played through the game in japanese, I found it much more intriguing with their Japanese voice actresses.
WARRIOR OF REASON did the same :)
I always imagined the robots only having one 'treasure' each, so Jean Paul is simply incapable of returning affections because thats not his 'treasure'
But adam was able to show kindness to eve while his treasure was hate
Well I think she's definitely the most beautiful machine in the game.
Edit: I can't put the blame on JP though, it's not his fault he is the way he is, it's not like he is out there leading these woman-bots on, he's not trying to hurt them, hell he probably doesn't even realize that they're fighting desperately for his attention just like they don't realize he is also silently fighting an obsession within himself trying to find answers to a questions he'll probably never be able to resolve until he finally gives in like so many other machines have.
Thank you for clearing things up for me.
When my cousin showed me the opera boss, the theme is amazing, but on the comment section all i read was;
He won't look my way. And the Notice me Senpai song Neir version...
So i thought;
Maybe the boss wanted to look pretty for someone.
As she says during thr fight; beautiful.
Some comments said that the boss has such a sad story...
That's what brought me here like a month after my cousin showed me the boss fight and the comment section. All i have to say is that i also feel bad for simone.
People want affection from the person they love and like Simone, the persons would do the same, trying to look beautiful for that person, which will lead to obsession...
And i feel bad too for those people. All they want to accomplish is to feel, to be loved. To be with that person, but Alas, sometimes that doesn't happen...
Many people who are obsessed, madly in love cannot see the truth, that they cannot win their affection...
And that obsessed person can do horrible things, they would do anything to win their heart...
Like that saying;
If you can't be mine, no one will...
Which leads to a horrible event...
Sadly, it happened to Simone...
She did all that just to win him, but she didn't and turn into that.
Her story is relatable to us humans...
This is some Dark Souls level of feels shit going on here.
like Sif the great big fluffy dogge? :'(
Artorias and Sif dude why
Aldrich devourer of Waifu (trap waifu but still waifu)
"Devour the body of an android to gain eternal beauty."
That sounds a lot like a major plot point of the anime "Casshern's Sins", where many robots believed eating the flesh of the android Casshern would spare them from the "ruin".
Actually there are a lot of similarities between the world of "Nier Automata" and that of "Casshern's Sins": a distant future where the dominant life form are humanoid robots displaying a wide range of behaviors and philosophies, a smaller number of generally more powerful androids and humanity on the brink of extinction.
The three machines from Jean Paul's quests eventually become:
The one that treasures its family is Pascal. (duty-irresponsibility) he asked me to delete his memories
The one that treasures its sibling is Eve (love-hate) his hate was to the point of frenzy, there`s a line while fighting him with the jp dub that there are no subtitles to it. gotta find it... (imi ga nai?) means "there's no point"
And Simone ... as in Simone de Beauvoir (dependency-narcissism)
All three fall into nihilism and eventually become bosses althou I still havent reach the point where I fight Pascal? I at the point where I erase his memories but I am guessing he's next.
Jean Paul essentially has sown the seeds of most of the misfortune in the story.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. The machine mentioned are alluding to other side quests. For example the Machine that treasures it's older sibling is referencing the quest where you're asked to find the missing sister of a machine. The younger sister went got lost trying to find parts to fix her older sister. They also visually look like the machines in that cutscene. If you actually watch the extended cutscene past where I pause it it shows Adam(says he treasured hate) and he's drawn quite differently. The machines in those cutscenes are drawn to resemble their real world counter parts which is why they can't be Eve or Pascal because they're all the common small round headed bots.
You are probably right. I havent really delved deeper to find those things out but its still fascinating how Yoko Taro I suppose is using those tid bits to pull on the players feeling strings. Like some reviewer on steam said "you can dodge the bullets, but you cant dodge the tears" ... or was a yt comment? This games has really inspired a lot of people to write reviews.
@@SNOWSOS I think the one who treasures family is the robot mother who asks you to find her child
Simone: Notice me Senpai!
Jean-Paul: NO!
i just me, or the Down part of the Theatre is like the Persona 4 tvs?
I believe it's also a reference to Persona 4.
Plot twist jean-paul is gay and none of these girls knew, RIP SIMONE
When gains her legs you can also hear her screaming “ *NO NO NO NOOO* “
Perfect zeong
You forgot to mention , in the last flash vision we see before finishing her , it seems like some other robot noticed her and looked her way , but was too late for her as 2B and 9S wrecked her . At least that's what I think that means , cause it's not Jean-Paul but some other robot , maybe one of the robots at the park .
This video perfectly expressed what I whant to say about this character, thanks!
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Honnestly my favorite boss in the game and I love the sub-story and interpretation we can make out of her.
It’s no doubt that they took inspiration from Magnificent Rose, which was a short film featured in Memories. Long story short, there’s a humanoid machine that uses a hologram to essentially “mask” itself as a beautiful opera singer in a red dress. She’s a bit obsessive, and had a nack for luring people in with “visions” of their fantasies, which are just holograms.
This is pretty dope
:)
I believe in her final phase she just keeps repeating "No no no no NO!"
This game put me in a sorrow mood for weeks after i finished.
Just noticed that the original head of Simone is her necklace...
Bang up vid, bro. I think you're spot on.
great job mate
whats the name of that song in the back ground tho ? i loved it
"Treasures" are emotions !!!
Simone's story is so tragic... and even worse, it is so profoundly relatable. To a lot of us.
I like it but just for the sake of you improving: Please mix your audio equally. i have to turn up my volume or down because the cutscene you're playing is either too soft or too loud, and when the video cuts back to you, I have to mix my audio again because that will be too loud or soft.
But other than that, good video!
Most of this video was a recap so it comes off as padding but the end was nice. The idea that she used the TVs to research the old world. It's a bit odd though since the transmissions and broadcasts of the old world would've ended thousands of years ago.
Thanks for this, great video. I found that boss fascinating and wanted to know more. You really scratched that itch.
it was easy to know who was "him" on the first gameplay and on the second gamplay you can see the siluete of the male robot (to no say the name) much better, and the reason.
they were exposed to emotions and were oh so not ready for the cons that would bring to their being.
i think you nailed the lore. Poor Simone, i cant help but pity her......
ole European courting goes something like this.
If a man was interested in a woman he would formally visit her residence, asking to see her and often bring gifts on every visit.
If a woman was interested in the man she would go to lengths to make herself beautiful, apply perfumes, curl her hair, apply make up. It was especially important that she makes the man wait briefly knowing that the woman was preparing herself, as its an indication to the man that shes interested.
Gotta Admit. I would love to play the game again and again just to fight this boss again and again just because of its backstory. The Amusement Park is just a place I love so much because of its music design, and boss.
10:22 "and stop, right there"
Stopped on the perfect frame to make the heart look like a butt xD
Hey, jokes aside, great video.
discovered you through your vrchat content since the beginning, never thought you were into nier. Crazy to see how small of a world the gaming community is ^^
The comment about machines staring idle is about the ruined city, the amusement park is a different area and its denizens are certainly not idling around and staring at nothing.
Then you pointed out the heart on the rabbit saying it'a relevant for something else but apparently didn't notice the spades and diamonds. I don't know where you were going with that since I stopped watching right there, but that rabbit is quite obviously an Alice in wonderland reference.
I'm sorry if I come through as harsh, but starting like this cut my interest immediately (especially after a minute of intro).
I never said the comment is referring to the amusement park, as a matter of fact in that same sentence I mention how this amusement park is a stark contrast to what we see earlier. As for the heart imagery on the statue, the heart is on the end of both sides of the trumpet and that same heart imagery is seen throughout the whole park and particularly the boss.
Simone: You cant beat me!
Me: I know, but he can.
*V12 tiger engines growl*
So that's how that bot got rocket launchers, plasma cannon, beam projectors, orb generators, and other assorted weapons of war.
Type Here makes you wonder if someone can develop the pod like that irl. Would be a terribly great weapon
@@ragingpotato-y- Honestly I'm already seeing the damage it can do to this world.
Great vid. Hope you do more lore breakdowns for Nier: Automata.
Good analysis.
Thanks :>
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I have been waiting for this vid I want to learn more
Bc the opera singer is my favorite boss
Haven’t played the game. Was going out of my way not to spoil myself but, after listening to the Opera Boss theme song for the past few weeks and seeing the fight, I couldn’t resist the curiosity.
And goddam, this is amazing. Does this level of writing and detail appear throughout the game? Or is it just this character? This really touched me.
The whole moral of the story which is a message for the ladies... "Don't become a p*rnstar in order to be loved by hungry men sexually"
because it will destroy you!.
Beauty doesn't wins love
Beauty is an option to express love.
Love..... is a sacrifice and acceptance from the person and for who you truly are.
Basically.... just because you are "Average" (Which Idk why people think is an issue)
doesn't means you have to be a Carnivore as Simone to become more beautiful, cuz that's where the P*rn industry comes from.
On my playthrough, I had 9S on aggressive so he attacked sight and I just assumed that they were aggressive so I was like "oh okay"
Ok don't judge but...if Simone lost the android corpses then she'd be pretty hot imo.
I love how i saved this video cause it was reslly good at explaining the lore, but i came back to watch it and notice the youtuber name and realized something, idk how to word this so sorry. But like now you're a big streamer and i saw your name when i rewatched this and was just shocked at the chances of me watching this just to end up watching your streams too. Anyways love the lore i legit like coming back to watch it since this was my favorite boss fight
Shooot, didn't even know you could just walk pass the tank
What is that song at ending? So calming
i really want jordan peterson to play this for some reason
that would be epic.
Very cool analysis! great job...
10/10
2:10 They talk about lobe and happiness and you kill them anyway
1:26 CoryKenshin: Wait a minute. What're thoooooooo---???
Whaaaaaaat? We can ignore the tank? I always felt bad about attacking the tank sincw it does nothing....
Someone mentioned a reference to persona but think it's more to cowboy bebop. More so because the antagonist in the episode is also an AI talking about philosophy something or another
D Moola Good catch! I fucking love that episode
I never attack machines in that area
They are too cute
All this deepest lore, makes you really think!
Beauvoir is pretty thicc
Uh
Thicc>Beauty
Great vid
Thank you!
I have a question that I hope can be answered, do the electric salves work for this boss fight or are they useless?? I know this is an old video but I hope someone can help
After all your efforts, it's pointless. In all your hard work, in the end, you gain nothing. Sacrificing your friends and yourself to one person so that he or she can recognize you. But all of it is pointless. She only wanted to be recognized by the man she really loved. So, she puts a lot of effort into that one man she loves so much. She changed herself to be more beautiful because that's what she knew about how to be loved by someone. Too bad she realized that she couldn't win his love when it was too late. After all she has done to her friends and other machine life forms, because of that man. What is love for a machine life form? We all know that machines don't have feelings. It is just their program to know something, adapt to things, or upgrade. My thoughts have two sides. One thing that favors Simone is that she is the first machine who has developed feelings, even if she's a machine and not a human. And one side says that it's impossible because machines are supposed to adapt and upgrade depending on their needs. Gosh! I don't know! Because of Simone, I'm hoping that there will be more games like this that have a machine falling in love and looking for an answer. But. What is love if you are a machine like them? If I'm a machine looking for love, there is no doubt that I'll be like Simone. I was looking for an answer and it took so long to find an answer that I regret everything. Feelings of a machine is so complicated. I can't. Years have passed, but her background story makes me nuts.
What language is that song is that song in the beginning of the video sung in? I've heard it before, but dont' know where.
wow...... that was something else.
Maybe the fact they look like clowns is because happiness is a joke to them idk maybe?
I always ask myself who's the idiot that gave machines the ability to feel emotions, but not understand them, why on Earth would you give emotions to an object or even make it capable of developing them?
Jacopo Armini To discover how to manage these emotions themselves
Haven't played, but excellent vid, very good analysis/commentary
topsidejohnny1 Thanks! Look forward to more lore vids in the future :>
You should do one on Adam/Eve or Emil next. Tough to find good info on the characters and I'm not ready to shell out for a PS4 just yet, I just want to appreciate the lore
Tbh I'm not a huge fan of those characters. I recommend looking up pixievalkyrie for lore videos on Nier. Tell her I sent you ;)
Very interesting great video!
3:36 You kill the clowns but not a tank?
Is she the only boss with a story like this?
1:50 That means there not the real enemy
Poor robot
Could I make a German translation of this video?
Community contributions are set to on for this video so you could actually click on the gear and add your own German subtitles if that's what you mean (which would be greatly appreciated). But if you're asking if you can re-upload the video on your channel with a German translation, I would be against that.
WHAT ARE THOSE!?!?
PUCK JEAN-FAUL!
all very nice, but without all of these minors details, i knew she knew nothing about beauty and love. the striking thing is that her immature state of being for me was an obvious exitentialist comment on human existence and capitalist love.
check erich fromm "the art of love"
this and the jean-paul quest, the religious suicides and the desert boss going on about eternal pain were the strongnparts of the game.
sadly, the hectic combat destroyed those moments for me. ex machina e.g. is much better for these topics. they can better be handled in anfilm.
Zeong
I must be ugly!
A ugly song
Edit :beauty vs ugly 😅
Wow!
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nice content! could use more memes tho
Damn last time people said I used too many :/
i thought the video was nice and too the point while still having enough personality to not make it stale ( i thought it was pretty good)
Simone is Yandere XD
Wow that was depressing to watch.
The tvs are also a reference to persona 4