That's what i love about Artosis. I asked for MOAR Zerg games, and not only does he deliver 2 days in a row, but he comes up with a whole 5 game series!??!?!?!1//1?!
@@Korbert I think a better point in Zerg's favor would be "ling rush kekekeke" was a big meme back then, and still occasionally gets used outside of SC -- I don't think there's really anything like that for T or P.
Just discovered your channel. Starcraft has always been one of my favorite games of all time. It's dope to see it's still going strong, and I'm hyped someone is actively making content for it. GG 🤜
Most enjoyable match up to watch in order ZvT, ZvP, PvT, PvP, TvT, ZvZ Edit: not sure about which is most enjoyable of PvP or TvT when think about it, both are equally fun.
PvP is more likely to be enjoyable to watch. Vulture wars are incredibly boring. TvT is more likely to become a long game which is good but id still say PvP befor TvT
When people talk about Rain losing to light in a one sided game, you cant forget the all time classics such as Savior being demolished by Bisu(who was relatively newish) at the time in a 3-0 upset, or 14 year old Flash defeating Stork 3-0 in under 30 minutes. The upset that was Best vs July(the classic he could never win in a macro game). That stuff happens even to the best players
Same. I don't remember which ASL it was or when, nevertheless a long time ago picked up on his PvP win-rate which was ridiculous and I was rather curious. When I actually saw his PvP it made an impact on me unlike anything else before. In short, the soul crushing precision and strategic finesse with which he dismantled others in PvP made me go like "what the frack did I just saw?" The opponents seemed helpless and were talking about the best of the best and all that in a MIRROR match?
Or he's just trying something new. That's perfectly fine. And mistakes happen :) But I don't see a future with two gate no-upgrade corsair. The damage out-put for the cost evens out at about 5 and is slightly cost-effective at 6. Doesn't make sense to skip it unless you're going for some ee-han timing. The upgrade also makes the accumulated damage more "coned" and specific which is a definite benefit when battling small to medium groups of scourge. Almost all corsair holds/trades start with sniping the first couple of scourge, then letting the cloned-would-be-dead corsair dish out additional damage.
Donating 6 or 7 corsairs for free makes no sense to me, with that amount he could just split em in two groups and delete all scourge, instead he clamped up and facetanked everything. Looks like he was doing something else while playing. Maybe eating.
@@amai2307 yeah i think the major problem here was getting into a situation where scourge can chase him across the map without any goons or anything to take potshots at them if he can keep 2-3 extra corsairs alive for that number of scourge, and have +1, he's in a great spot also maybe after its clear that the corsairs arent doing anything, grab disruption web and throw it down on some hydras or sunkens? it's not the most expensive upgrade and the already living corsairs will have energy for it
@@amai2307 Well, misplays obviously happen all the time. This is ladder, not the ASL. You're allowed to fool around. I was just making the general point that with two gate cors you move out at 3-5 at the lastest, when you're at 6-7 the 1+ one would have been cost effective, so the only reason to skip it would have been to have more hit points to divide between spores/hydras for some overlord all-in
0:45 I was one of the Bisu comments and I stand by my comment! As talented as Rain seems considering he doesn't "try" as much as most pros we still don't know if he's actually capable of reaching the potential ppl THINK he has. What if he turns out to be a choker in big games/finals? Or gets becomes silver king like Stork was for awhile? Accolades matter and Bisu has gotten 😊
@@RJB_TV Bisu has won FIVE(5) Starleagues, a WCG, Multiple Proleagues (one which he beat Flash in an Ace match) and clutched for his team many other crucial games, literally revolutionized an entire matchup that had historically been very unfavourable to Protoss by unseeding the current Bonjwa THREE-ZERO etc... SC2 is completely irrelevant as the skill gap needed for Broodwar is infinitely higher.
“What if he turns out to be a choker in big games/finals?” No need to wonder, we’ve already seen Rain win multiple major tournaments and make it to numerous finals/semi-finals. You totally missed Artosis’ point - he’s NOT comparing Rain to Bisu in terms of his accomplishments and impact on the game. He’s talking about things like intuition, game knowledge, etc. that don’t always translate to winning every tournament.
So where he at every ASL? You saw how he got knocked out last one? Unfortunately you're the one missing the point being made, Rain's potential doesn't trump Bisu's actual accomplishments so Arty trying to compare them is in terms of "who'd be better if they both tried Thier hardest?" is kinda mute.
@@stefanc4520 Nah you're looking at this from the wrong angle. Rain is a generational talent that only comes along so often. Arty isn't comparing the what if of hypothetical career, he is lamenting the tragedy of a player that has never and probably will never apply himself fully. He's dabbled in starcraft and just casually wins top tier tournaments in multiple games. Talking about skill gaps between games shows me you don't really grasp the concepts at play here but go on.
A random girl came up to me at work and saw me watching starcraft videos thee only ONLY played she knew or could remember are rain was first then she said flash I pooed a little and I agree rain is up there on the top notchs
Surprising how Rain got thoroughly dismantled in a straight up game. Every move was repelled. Trying to think what Rain could have done differently. Was it the greed of not getting air +1? Sacsri was very efficient on macro and micro. GG
I remember Rain back in the days around 2010 he was pulling out some magnificent games for SK Telecom by the nick name By.Sun, a baby face who was beating top class players. For me he is definitely after Bisu, Jangbi, Snow best Toss for sure 😎
Trying to understand the matchups so please give me some forgiveness on this question lol. Why didn't rain gas steal? It's so powerful vs T and from everything I've watched on this channel... Z always goes mutas... Why not gas steal and force lurkers and skip the Stargate?
This game just shows again how much farther Snow is in the game than any other Protoss. The fact that Rain another ASL pro player can’t even do the corsair patrol micro flick against scourge is crazy.
Zerg is designed to be able to get by with less workers because every worker built is one less overlord or military unit because it costs a larva, and every building built is one less worker because it kills off the drone. No other race has to worry about those two mechanics.
Bonjwa is a player who dominates the game for a good period of time. flash, boxer, nada, iloveoov and savior are bw bonjwas. Most dominate player of their era.
Never control air units as a group unless they are already physically together Don't put things half a map away in the same control group when they're doing active maneuvers, Z makes this mistake with mutas the most
i ask this every time i see 2gate corsair, because there's always some corner of my mind that thinks about it.. why don't we see more disruption web usage? i mean, i know the answer, but i still always end up craving seeing it. a fleet beacon is what, 300/200.. dweb is what, 200/200? so that's 500/400, enough resources to buy a nexus and almost 3 high templar. so it's just prohibitively expensive. i understand the protoss would probably die without those templar, but.. still.. i still want to see it!! seeing all those full energy sairs floating around feels like such a waste, you know? if you have 8-10 sairs left floating around, relegated to scouting and occasionally picking off stray ovies.. or, best case scenario, finding a herd of undefended ovies and supply blocking the zerg into oblivion.. what if.. what if they had dweb? i mean, it's a super expensive spell to get, costing 500/400 in total, and each sair can only cast 1 web.. it'd cost 150/150 more if you want to be able to cast 2 webs. but.. how different would games look if this was introduced into the meta? i really want to see it. i mean, i have seen it, but i've never seen it actually *work*, which is probably why we don't see it. but i wanna see it so bad. just like i want to see more maelstrom. i want to see people experimenting with it and somehow finding a viable strategy where it creates unique situations in which it's awesome and worth the investment. situations, for example, like.. finding the clump of overlords defended by hydras, dwebbing all the hydras and annihilating the ovies, then flying away.. does anyone else feel like this? like it's kind of a waste? the feeling i'm talking about is like, "it's such a waste.. but.. it would probably be worse *not* to waste it, but uggghhhhhh what a waste.."
PvZ feels so bad to play, you are trapped in base so much of the game, and have to take risks just to survive and play from behind. Bisu changed the matchup all those years ago, but the zergs adapted.
Unga bunga mass hydra go brr! I wonder how would this fight go if he stopped with the 2 Stargate and went for quick Robo Bay instead to stymie the incoming push like how P does it to T, reavers should do well against mass hydra+lurker pushes i feel.
@@sirris4330Must be a sad life you're living if you only commented to be snarky to other people. Then again, that's definitely a "guy in the chat" attitude.😏
@@sirris4330Should look at a dictionary for what that means... since the next video pretty much validates my comment. Now, go back to whatever rock you dwell in.😂
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That's what i love about Artosis. I asked for MOAR Zerg games, and not only does he deliver 2 days in a row, but he comes up with a whole 5 game series!??!?!?!1//1?!
Actual chills
Zerg is the race of Starcraft. Terran and Protoss are just along for the ride.
Zerg is also the hardest race to play, followed by Protoss, and Terran being the easiest. Right Artosis?
Zerg ftw
Zerg is the iconic race of starcraft. For example, being a "lurker" is a phrase known by millions who have no knowledge of Starcraft
@@Korbert you know that word existed before Starcraft..
@@Korbert I think a better point in Zerg's favor would be "ling rush kekekeke" was a big meme back then, and still occasionally gets used outside of SC -- I don't think there's really anything like that for T or P.
Just discovered your channel. Starcraft has always been one of my favorite games of all time. It's dope to see it's still going strong, and I'm hyped someone is actively making content for it.
GG 🤜
Welcome to the club :)
as soon as artosis started talking up this protoss player as a genius talent who never plays sc fulltime, i knew it was gonna be a one sided slaughter
Meat's back on the menu boys!
*RAAAAAAAAH*
I just enjoy watching red Hydras blasting dragoons into pools of blue goop.
Most enjoyable match up to watch in order
ZvT, ZvP, PvT, PvP, TvT, ZvZ
Edit: not sure about which is most enjoyable of PvP or TvT when think about it, both are equally fun.
PvP is more likely to be enjoyable to watch. Vulture wars are incredibly boring.
TvT is more likely to become a long game which is good but id still say PvP befor TvT
Oh nah as Toss main I find TvT the most fun and entertaining mirror to watch.
But do look at it like "glad I dont have to play these" 😂
I agree, but I'd only switch ZvT and ZvP.
ZvZ I enjoy more, cause of hoping for a stand out crazy late game. 😂
@@urhere976 that is a very good point, when they last longer than first Muta encounter one is in for a epic game
Flash would have won that.
*of
@@Lykyk wood*
A Rain series? Nice!
When people talk about Rain losing to light in a one sided game, you cant forget the all time classics such as Savior being demolished by Bisu(who was relatively newish) at the time in a 3-0 upset, or 14 year old Flash defeating Stork 3-0 in under 30 minutes. The upset that was Best vs July(the classic he could never win in a macro game). That stuff happens even to the best players
Artosis: "I'm getting chills!"
Tasteless: "This is crazy!"
Artosis: "I'm getting chills!!!"
Tasteless: "This is crazy!!!"
(love you guys, keep it up)
Rain Is my favorite protoss player. Theres is one game from him when he turns the tide in a pvz with dark templar, Corsair and pure micro.
Same. I don't remember which ASL it was or when, nevertheless a long time ago picked up on his PvP win-rate which was ridiculous and I was rather curious. When I actually saw his PvP it made an impact on me unlike anything else before. In short, the soul crushing precision and strategic finesse with which he dismantled others in PvP made me go like "what the frack did I just saw?" The opponents seemed helpless and were talking about the best of the best and all that in a MIRROR match?
Building 9 corsairs without +1 just makes no sense to me, I honestly think it might have been a mistake.
Or he's just trying something new. That's perfectly fine. And mistakes happen :) But I don't see a future with two gate no-upgrade corsair. The damage out-put for the cost evens out at about 5 and is slightly cost-effective at 6. Doesn't make sense to skip it unless you're going for some ee-han timing. The upgrade also makes the accumulated damage more "coned" and specific which is a definite benefit when battling small to medium groups of scourge. Almost all corsair holds/trades start with sniping the first couple of scourge, then letting the cloned-would-be-dead corsair dish out additional damage.
Donating 6 or 7 corsairs for free makes no sense to me, with that amount he could just split em in two groups and delete all scourge, instead he clamped up and facetanked everything.
Looks like he was doing something else while playing. Maybe eating.
@@amai2307 yeah i think the major problem here was getting into a situation where scourge can chase him across the map without any goons or anything to take potshots at them
if he can keep 2-3 extra corsairs alive for that number of scourge, and have +1, he's in a great spot
also maybe after its clear that the corsairs arent doing anything, grab disruption web and throw it down on some hydras or sunkens? it's not the most expensive upgrade and the already living corsairs will have energy for it
@@amai2307 Well, misplays obviously happen all the time. This is ladder, not the ASL. You're allowed to fool around.
I was just making the general point that with two gate cors you move out at 3-5 at the lastest, when you're at 6-7 the 1+ one would have been cost effective, so the only reason to skip it would have been to have more hit points to divide between spores/hydras for some overlord all-in
Why do they always make Dry Goons and never Wet Goons?
The Moisture messes with the Cybernetics
@@dylanbunko340 Terran should make water cannons
Wet Goons is what's left after you pop it with 160 damage or so. You can see the blue liquid coming out
‘’Suckuladust’’
It was cool to see big air battle, they are so rare in Starcraft.
That was crazy good Scourge micro!
Very tense moment with the Corsairs and scourge.
siiick, hope you cast the rest of these :D
I like the flash games but I'm also hype for some zvp since it's come up so rarely
0:45 I was one of the Bisu comments and I stand by my comment! As talented as Rain seems considering he doesn't "try" as much as most pros we still don't know if he's actually capable of reaching the potential ppl THINK he has.
What if he turns out to be a choker in big games/finals? Or gets becomes silver king like Stork was for awhile? Accolades matter and Bisu has gotten 😊
Rain won KSL and ASL and won in Sc2. only Flash and Soulkey have achieved that beside Rain.
@@RJB_TV Bisu has won FIVE(5) Starleagues, a WCG, Multiple Proleagues (one which he beat Flash in an Ace match) and clutched for his team many other crucial games, literally revolutionized an entire matchup that had historically been very unfavourable to Protoss by unseeding the current Bonjwa THREE-ZERO etc...
SC2 is completely irrelevant as the skill gap needed for Broodwar is infinitely higher.
“What if he turns out to be a choker in big games/finals?”
No need to wonder, we’ve already seen Rain win multiple major tournaments and make it to numerous finals/semi-finals. You totally missed Artosis’ point - he’s NOT comparing Rain to Bisu in terms of his accomplishments and impact on the game. He’s talking about things like intuition, game knowledge, etc. that don’t always translate to winning every tournament.
So where he at every ASL? You saw how he got knocked out last one?
Unfortunately you're the one missing the point being made, Rain's potential doesn't trump Bisu's actual accomplishments so Arty trying to compare them is in terms of "who'd be better if they both tried Thier hardest?" is kinda mute.
@@stefanc4520 Nah you're looking at this from the wrong angle. Rain is a generational talent that only comes along so often. Arty isn't comparing the what if of hypothetical career, he is lamenting the tragedy of a player that has never and probably will never apply himself fully. He's dabbled in starcraft and just casually wins top tier tournaments in multiple games. Talking about skill gaps between games shows me you don't really grasp the concepts at play here but go on.
A random girl came up to me at work and saw me watching starcraft videos thee only ONLY played she knew or could remember are rain was first then she said flash I pooed a little and I agree rain is up there on the top notchs
strong game by Sacsri
Thanks for the great casts
My heart sunk when I read the title because it spoiled that this wasn't a Flash game...
Full 5 game series please!
I love Sacsri's big-economy zerg style.
Surprising how Rain got thoroughly dismantled in a straight up game. Every move was repelled. Trying to think what Rain could have done differently. Was it the greed of not getting air +1?
Sacsri was very efficient on macro and micro. GG
3:20 those are the guys from the LoTV trailer, except they dont get a pylon up, and also that tech hasnt been invented yet since this is sc1
I remember Rain back in the days around 2010 he was pulling out some magnificent games for SK Telecom by the nick name By.Sun, a baby face who was beating top class players. For me he is definitely after Bisu, Jangbi, Snow best Toss for sure 😎
Trying to understand the matchups so please give me some forgiveness on this question lol. Why didn't rain gas steal? It's so powerful vs T and from everything I've watched on this channel... Z always goes mutas... Why not gas steal and force lurkers and skip the Stargate?
Do the whole series!
To quote flash - hydra good unit
OMG double Stargate across the sky!
PvZ! The matchup we're all here for🎉
This game just shows again how much farther Snow is in the game than any other Protoss. The fact that Rain another ASL pro player can’t even do the corsair patrol micro flick against scourge is crazy.
Heart sunk when I saw PvZ, last bit of hope that Flash played Protoss but not this time…
Rain drops falling on my head...
sacsri's scourge micro lowkey giving me chills
Why can Zerg be behind in drones but it's considered an even game?
They don't need as many workers as other races
Because they have more bases
Zerg is designed to be able to get by with less workers because every worker built is one less overlord or military unit because it costs a larva, and every building built is one less worker because it kills off the drone. No other race has to worry about those two mechanics.
I think it is obvious that for us to get more Zerg games, Flash just has to play more protoss.
"DOUBLE RAINBOW" err Stargate!
Nice defense against the 2 Stargate sair by Sacsri
Cant wait for ASL to start back up
What does bonjwa mean?
Bonjwa is a player who dominates the game for a good period of time. flash, boxer, nada, iloveoov and savior are bw bonjwas. Most dominate player of their era.
Never control air units as a group unless they are already physically together
Don't put things half a map away in the same control group when they're doing active maneuvers, Z makes this mistake with mutas the most
Egg block is sick.
Keep up good work arty!
Hey! I hear Flash is playing again. Do you think you will cast any of his games?
GG? We don't GG in this channel!
PEAK FINALLY A PVZ
Any chance for corsair+reaver games?
"Rain is soo good"
*gets obliterated*
Arty only has eyes for T. But please more Z
Bunker spoiler wall
Thx. I'm in!
i ask this every time i see 2gate corsair, because there's always some corner of my mind that thinks about it.. why don't we see more disruption web usage? i mean, i know the answer, but i still always end up craving seeing it.
a fleet beacon is what, 300/200.. dweb is what, 200/200? so that's 500/400, enough resources to buy a nexus and almost 3 high templar. so it's just prohibitively expensive. i understand the protoss would probably die without those templar, but.. still.. i still want to see it!! seeing all those full energy sairs floating around feels like such a waste, you know?
if you have 8-10 sairs left floating around, relegated to scouting and occasionally picking off stray ovies.. or, best case scenario, finding a herd of undefended ovies and supply blocking the zerg into oblivion.. what if.. what if they had dweb? i mean, it's a super expensive spell to get, costing 500/400 in total, and each sair can only cast 1 web.. it'd cost 150/150 more if you want to be able to cast 2 webs.
but.. how different would games look if this was introduced into the meta? i really want to see it. i mean, i have seen it, but i've never seen it actually *work*, which is probably why we don't see it. but i wanna see it so bad. just like i want to see more maelstrom. i want to see people experimenting with it and somehow finding a viable strategy where it creates unique situations in which it's awesome and worth the investment. situations, for example, like.. finding the clump of overlords defended by hydras, dwebbing all the hydras and annihilating the ovies, then flying away..
does anyone else feel like this? like it's kind of a waste? the feeling i'm talking about is like, "it's such a waste.. but.. it would probably be worse *not* to waste it, but uggghhhhhh what a waste.."
People have tried corsair carrier vs zerg but it wasnt good enough i think
I do wish we had more viable off meta strategies but i dont mind too much
We need more zergs
PvZ feels so bad to play, you are trapped in base so much of the game, and have to take risks just to survive and play from behind. Bisu changed the matchup all those years ago, but the zergs adapted.
While I enjoyed watching this, my gf refused to watch it with me because flash wasn't in it.
being the first to comment is giving me chills
GGs
GG
rain rain rain lets go
gg
No question rain is next level gaming talent, but not here, I miss flash games
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Unga bunga mass hydra go brr!
I wonder how would this fight go if he stopped with the 2 Stargate and went for quick Robo Bay instead to stymie the incoming push like how P does it to T, reavers should do well against mass hydra+lurker pushes i feel.
@@reishiki8682 wow you’re pro you should teach us StarCraft
@@sirris4330Must be a sad life you're living if you only commented to be snarky to other people. Then again, that's definitely a "guy in the chat" attitude.😏
@@reishiki8682 ironic
@@sirris4330Should look at a dictionary for what that means... since the next video pretty much validates my comment. Now, go back to whatever rock you dwell in.😂
Zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg
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0:04 The word is "versus," not "verse." Two syllables.
Cry more
Still not impressed by Rain.
What is the point of having an anti-air unit that cannot kill a scourge 1 on 1?
As always Zerg is OP.
First
It actually is the definition of a 0 sum game arty lol.