Probably mx. Ebikes are heavy and easier switchback riding and in corners is better for me than stability. Edit: and it would be shorter, some of these bikes these days are getting so long they dont fit on hitch mount racks.
Do you know what your head angle is? I know the mullet had a different rear than the 29er but do they have a third rear for the small with front and back 27.5? I have a large mullet and tested putting a 27.5 wheel on the front and it seemed good with the head angle steepened by a little over a degree...but I liked it.
I have the MX with a Fox 38 up front and the fox X in rear … deep and steep ain’t cheap.. but boy she feels good. I’m stoked with my MX set up. Feels poppy too.
Awesome review. So based on that I went and bought the MX version. I’m always into sportier more aggressive dirt bikes and to me it’s all about turning , breaking and acceleration. They are the words I kept hearing for the MX so I bought it ! I absolutely love it ! Thanks guys 👍🏼👍🏼 It’s all about your style and type of tracks. And I prefer tight switchbacks and poppy tracks. Definitely the more technical the better. I’m not into the big jumps.
Thanks guys! This video helped me decide toward the stability of the 29er. I'm in Bentonville, Arkansas, dubbed the MTB Capitol of the world, We have a lot of climbs and steep descents, tree roots and rocks here. I think the 29er will be well fitted for the trails here! Picking up my new bike today and I'm super excited!
I have a YT Decoy MX. I love the nimble feeling with the 27.5 in the rear for the Santa Cruz tight forest trails. I use the decoy as my long distance/enduro trails vs my Acoustic Ripley v4 for trail riding. I love the TRP evo brakes. They are great breaking brakes especially for ebike.
Very nice review guys! Much appreciated. I am on the fence about which one to choose as an amateur - medium rider. I want to do a decent amount of big rides and was considering which one to go with. Thank you
@@bikersedge Do you happen to know what the fix is? My LBS wrapped a strap around my Heckler 29 downtube to make sure the battery can't fall out. Not that it ever seemed loose. If there's a permanent fix I'd like to have them do it and get rid of the strap.
Great video, thank you. Which one would you get to ride with my toddler with the “kids ride shotgun” pro seat combo? I ride an XL. We’d do chill trails, nothing technical downhill. Thank you!
@@bikersedge I got both of them and they are narly!! made the SC Bullit 180 f / 170 r wud definitely luv to hear what u think about the SC Bullit luv your guys content keep it going
I bought the 140mm/140mm Heckler MX, but ended up selling it because it felt like what it was; a 27.5” Heckler with a 29” wheel and fork shoehorned in there, adversely effecting the geometry. These look like Santa Cruz have done it properly and solved the problem I had, but I’m wondering if Connor and/or Zach would buy one?
Would you rather pay full price on the new MX or get the ‘21 MX for 25% off? I’m ok with the smaller battery since the bike is lighter, but not sure about the 140 travel and geo compared to the new ones. Also not a fan of having a Pike on an e bike.
I'm 5'4" 120 lbs. I currently ride a medium Bronson. This would be my first eBike. I have an opportunity to buy a 2022 Heckler XO1 AXS RSV from a friend at a GREAT price HOWEVER it's a 29er and I'm thinking i'd like the MX better. After watching your awesome video I'm still not sure ): I mainly ride intermediate terrain out of convenience however I love riding Tahoe and Santa Cruz areas as well (more technical, steeper and could get rocky). Not sure if I can get a quick opinion here but I have to let me friend know yes or no in a day or so
Late to the party.... Great review on the 275 vs 29. I'm not an ebike guy so didn't pick up on anything in that area, if you mentioned it at all. Agree with the findings that the 275 has the edge on quick, punchy climbing, and quick turns. Probably like all bikes, pick the right horse for the right course. Something I think what is missing on all MX reviews is running a relatively larger tire on the back of the 275. I think you retain the quick feeling but gain some additional traction and stability. An equally large tire on a 29 out back, I found was too much of a good thing - felt heavy and cumbersome. Thanks again.
Thanks for the comparison. It sounds like the MX is a bit more rowdy. I expected there to be more differences between the bikes. Do you think a shorter less aggressive rider coming from a 27.5 bike would feel more comfortable on the MX?
Anyone wonder if we prefer the (surprise) "new" to us version? 29er guys appreciate the new increases playfulness of 27.5 rear and the 27.5 guy likes the traction and rollover of the 29er rear wheel?
I'm in the market for an EMTB and I must say that its really hard to justify an $8750 price tag for the cheapest build on these new Hecklers. I'm a Santa Cruz guy through and through (currently have a Hightower) but an NX drivetrain, Rockshox mid level suspension, and SRAM G2 brakes on a bike that almost cost $9K? Come on Santa Cruz! Would love to stay on a SC bike but the competition is offering consumers much more bang for their buck.
@@bikersedge I get that inflation sucks across the board but that also plays to my point. When you compare the specs on these new Hecklers vs what some of the competition is offering in this price range its hard for a consumer to want to spend more hard earned money for less.
@@marklopez5267 I agree. Santa Cruz has always come at a premium though. It’s tough to see the extra value on the surface (build kit and price) but if you look a little deeper Santa Cruz does make a premium product and back it up with premium service and warranty.
I don't give out specific size advice over the internet. It's impossible to give good advice without seeing someone on the bike. I'd recommend trying one on. If you can't then the manufacturers size chart is the next best thing. We have a video that shows the pros and cons of sizing up vs sizing down.
We didn’t run them until empty. That would be a pretty tough test to get accurate data. So many factors will contribute to battery life. They have the same size battery and the same motor output. I’d guess there’s little to no measurable difference.
Don’t think so. That said I’m not big on tinkering with my suspension all that much. I fall in a pretty average weight range so base tuned fit me pretty well.
@@bikersedge The state has pending legislation to allow it, thanks to stats from states out west that show it’s no different than analogues. Problem is many of the fun trails are managed by local MTB associations that are traditionalist and won’t budge.
How would rider height play into your evaluation? Being 6’5, the 27.5 out back feels like it’s unnecessarily small. Santa Cruz doesn’t/hasn’t offered a 27.5 bike in XXL…that must mean something?
I’m 6’2” and I get the draw to mullet bikes. I personally don’t think rider height has anything to do with the size wheels you should ride. It’s a ride style/quality thing for me.
Which one would you rather have?
Probably mx. Ebikes are heavy and easier switchback riding and in corners is better for me than stability. Edit: and it would be shorter, some of these bikes these days are getting so long they dont fit on hitch mount racks.
At 5'7". Mullet, always mullet! The butt buzz is a scary thing!!
@@mtbchronicles my long legs have never heard of said buzz.
@@dalelakusta8143 even the Heckler 29 is so agile and nimble. I don’t miss the shorter wheelbase at all.
I am only 5‘77 and i want a funny agile bike: so MX for me
I have the small Heckler with 27.5 wheels front and back and loving it!
Do you know what your head angle is? I know the mullet had a different rear than the 29er but do they have a third rear for the small with front and back 27.5? I have a large mullet and tested putting a 27.5 wheel on the front and it seemed good with the head angle steepened by a little over a degree...but I liked it.
I have the MX with a Fox 38 up front and the fox X in rear … deep and steep ain’t cheap.. but boy she feels good. I’m stoked with my MX set up. Feels poppy too.
thank you guys, great video with amazing scenery . 29 for me.
Hey thanks! Glad you liked it.
Awesome review. So based on that I went and bought the MX version. I’m always into sportier more aggressive dirt bikes and to me it’s all about turning , breaking and acceleration. They are the words I kept hearing for the MX so I bought it !
I absolutely love it !
Thanks guys 👍🏼👍🏼
It’s all about your style and type of tracks. And I prefer tight switchbacks and poppy tracks.
Definitely the more technical the better. I’m not into the big jumps.
Glad you love it!
Thanks guys! This video helped me decide toward the stability of the 29er. I'm in Bentonville, Arkansas, dubbed the MTB Capitol of the world, We have a lot of climbs and steep descents, tree roots and rocks here. I think the 29er will be well fitted for the trails here! Picking up my new bike today and I'm super excited!
Rad. You’re going to love it.
I have a YT Decoy MX. I love the nimble feeling with the 27.5 in the rear for the Santa Cruz tight forest trails. I use the decoy as my long distance/enduro trails vs my Acoustic Ripley v4 for trail riding. I love the TRP evo brakes. They are great breaking brakes especially for ebike.
The TRPs are some of our favorites! Bonus points that they’re just up the street from us.
Glad you produced this! Been trying to decide if I should mullet the Orbea Rallon I’ve got coming.
Do it!!!
I wish you still had the Yeti. .I'd love to see a VS on the 29 Heckler and the 160E.. Greats stuff guys! Thanks for making these vids
Good news. We borrowed it again. Stay tuned.
@@bikersedge Best news of the day.. I need this in my life :)
Thanks for doing this video. Good thing I didn’t keep the mx Santa Cruz sent me by mistake. I value the things that the 29er does better than the mx.
Glad you got one. Honestly I think most folks would be happy on either one. Not that different.
Great review
Hey thanks!
Very nice review guys! Much appreciated.
I am on the fence about which one to choose as an amateur - medium rider. I want to do a decent amount of big rides and was considering which one to go with.
Thank you
Hey thanks! Glad you liked it!
Very awesome and very good review!
Hey thanks for the kind words
Awesome been waiting for this! Now just need the stop sale to be over!
Stop sale?
@@bikersedge there is a stop sale on Hecklers due to batteries falling out.
@@bryanachee7133 oh yeah. From what I understand that’s all fixed. At least in our territory.
@@bikersedge Do you happen to know what the fix is? My LBS wrapped a strap around my Heckler 29 downtube to make sure the battery can't fall out. Not that it ever seemed loose. If there's a permanent fix I'd like to have them do it and get rid of the strap.
@@se4g4e the strap around the downtube is the current solution until the new battery latch is approved.
Thanks for the great review
Glad you like it!
Great video, thank you. Which one would you get to ride with my toddler with the “kids ride shotgun” pro seat combo? I ride an XL. We’d do chill trails, nothing technical downhill. Thank you!
@@eddelage thanks. Not sure there’s going to be much between them in that specific application.
GREAT REVIEW next Yeti 160 e Vs the SC Bullit
We don’t have a bullit. Won’t be able to make it happen.
@@bikersedge man it’s luvly, you are a SC dealer tho right? 29er Vs Mx big travel wud be epic
@@emtbtrailrider539 yes we are but we don’t have a demo bullit.
@@bikersedge I got both of them and they are narly!! made the SC Bullit 180 f / 170 r wud definitely luv to hear what u think about the SC Bullit luv your guys content keep it going
Just went to Santa Cruz website, I would definitely go for mullet. The 29ers rear end is way to long.
It’s long on paper but on an XL it doesn’t feel disproportionate.
I bought the 140mm/140mm Heckler MX, but ended up selling it because it felt like what it was; a 27.5” Heckler with a 29” wheel and fork shoehorned in there, adversely effecting the geometry. These look like Santa Cruz have done it properly and solved the problem I had, but I’m wondering if Connor and/or Zach would buy one?
Man if I could get my hands on one I would. Easily in my top 3 ebikes.
Would you rather pay full price on the new MX or get the ‘21 MX for 25% off? I’m ok with the smaller battery since the bike is lighter, but not sure about the 140 travel and geo compared to the new ones. Also not a fan of having a Pike on an e bike.
I'm 5'4" 120 lbs. I currently ride a medium Bronson. This would be my first eBike. I have an opportunity to buy a 2022 Heckler XO1 AXS RSV from a friend at a GREAT price HOWEVER it's a 29er and I'm thinking i'd like the MX better. After watching your awesome video I'm still not sure ): I mainly ride intermediate terrain out of convenience however I love riding Tahoe and Santa Cruz areas as well (more technical, steeper and could get rocky). Not sure if I can get a quick opinion here but I have to let me friend know yes or no in a day or so
I really don’t think there’s enough between them to not just get the one you can get a deal on.
@@bikersedge hi just asking I’m 55 I have huckler R kit full 29er I’m planning to put 180 travel fork and low flip chip is that ok? Thank you
Late to the party.... Great review on the 275 vs 29. I'm not an ebike guy so didn't pick up on anything in that area, if you mentioned it at all. Agree with the findings that the 275 has the edge on quick, punchy climbing, and quick turns. Probably like all bikes, pick the right horse for the right course. Something I think what is missing on all MX reviews is running a relatively larger tire on the back of the 275. I think you retain the quick feeling but gain some additional traction and stability. An equally large tire on a 29 out back, I found was too much of a good thing - felt heavy and cumbersome. Thanks again.
Thanks for the comparison. It sounds like the MX is a bit more rowdy. I expected there to be more differences between the bikes. Do you think a shorter less aggressive rider coming from a 27.5 bike would feel more comfortable on the MX?
I think the 29 is the most aggressive and rowdy bike. I would think less aggressive and more playful riders will benefit from the MX.
Anyone wonder if we prefer the (surprise) "new" to us version? 29er guys appreciate the new increases playfulness of 27.5 rear and the 27.5 guy likes the traction and rollover of the 29er rear wheel?
I'm (Conor - Guy who picked 29) almost always on 29. Not much of a 27.5 fan.
I'm in the market for an EMTB and I must say that its really hard to justify an $8750 price tag for the cheapest build on these new Hecklers. I'm a Santa Cruz guy through and through (currently have a Hightower) but an NX drivetrain, Rockshox mid level suspension, and SRAM G2 brakes on a bike that almost cost $9K? Come on Santa Cruz! Would love to stay on a SC bike but the competition is offering consumers much more bang for their buck.
Unfortunately it's not just Santa Cruz. All bikes (not just bikes, but everything) are getting really expensive these days.
@@bikersedge I get that inflation sucks across the board but that also plays to my point. When you compare the specs on these new Hecklers vs what some of the competition is offering in this price range its hard for a consumer to want to spend more hard earned money for less.
@@marklopez5267 I agree. Santa Cruz has always come at a premium though. It’s tough to see the extra value on the surface (build kit and price) but if you look a little deeper Santa Cruz does make a premium product and back it up with premium service and warranty.
Great review I went with an mx my question is did you ride the bikes in a low or high setting?
Low in both.
Considering the battery life isn't a big deal, Between the Bullit and the New Hecklers what would you choose?
Never ridden a Bullit. Can’t really say.
Hello i am 1,77cm is Santa Cruz heckler MX in size Large Good for me???
I test drove the bullit in a large medium and it was a bit small
I don't give out specific size advice over the internet. It's impossible to give good advice without seeing someone on the bike. I'd recommend trying one on. If you can't then the manufacturers size chart is the next best thing. We have a video that shows the pros and cons of sizing up vs sizing down.
The differences is the 27-5 isn't touching your culo on the big jumps.
I have legs up to my armpits. That’s never really a problem for me even on 29.
i miss the range test between mx and 29 if there is any difference woud be good to know :-)
We didn’t run them until empty. That would be a pretty tough test to get accurate data. So many factors will contribute to battery life. They have the same size battery and the same motor output. I’d guess there’s little to no measurable difference.
Do you think their base model lyrik select Fork is under spec? Really like the 29 but not sure if I would want to upgrade it later
Don’t think so. That said I’m not big on tinkering with my suspension all that much. I fall in a pretty average weight range so base tuned fit me pretty well.
I have a Yari and its pretty underwhelming on a 55 pound e-bike. I’m sniffing on a fox 38 instead of doing the Lyrik upgrade.
My LBS has a leftover stock 2022 Heckler C S 29er for $5k. Worth it?
I mean even on sale from Santa Cruz that bike would be $6500 - down from $8350. $5k sounds like a steal.
@@bikersedge That was my thought. Which is why I bought it lol. I’m guessing it’s because E’s are largely prohibited across my state.
@@kdc3345 time to talk to your legislators!
@@bikersedge The state has pending legislation to allow it, thanks to stats from states out west that show it’s no different than analogues. Problem is many of the fun trails are managed by local MTB associations that are traditionalist and won’t budge.
@@kdc3345 hopefully it’s just a matter of time. It was the same way out here. And still is to a degree. One day folks will come around.
Full size ebikes roll slower. Full 29 for the roll speed.
Mullet is the best version .. more playful
Sure is nice. But so is the traction from the full 29. Ha.
How would rider height play into your evaluation? Being 6’5, the 27.5 out back feels like it’s unnecessarily small. Santa Cruz doesn’t/hasn’t offered a 27.5 bike in XXL…that must mean something?
I’m 6’2” and I get the draw to mullet bikes. I personally don’t think rider height has anything to do with the size wheels you should ride. It’s a ride style/quality thing for me.
Kind of interested on Kelly's Theos but they dont ship in the US
Is this Idaho does anyone know?
Salt Lake City
SLC trail name, please? Looks epic!
@@TroyMiller don’t think it has a name. It’s up near Bobsled.
Oh wow, beautiful trail and scenery! 👌🏻
Bobsled
Bingo