I've always been a low-rev bowler, and while I know that cuts down on my versatility, I find I can compensate for that by adjusting my ball speed up or down as needed and making sure I hit my mark. For my personal game, revs aren't as important as ball speed or accuracy. Also, I know this might be a hot take, but I think a lot of bowlers like the "showmanship" of a high rev rate, even if it doesn't benefit their game. It certainly looks impressive, but I don't think it's always a plus. We have some high-rev bowlers on our league, and while most of them are good, I also notice that they roll A LOT more splits and Brooklyns.
Yes but what if the high rev player executes better then the low rev player. Trouble.....then the low rev player breaks form trying to juice it. Works both ways i see it all the time.
No matter your style, the ball speed and revs and the ball you are throwing all have to match up to the conditions of the lane or it is not going to be pretty. Myself I love to see a cranker hitting and smashing the pocket but I also love when he is off or using the wrong ball for the conditions and not hitting. Man they get some ugly splits. It sure makes my 13 plus MPH low rev ball look good when it strikes. But you are not wrong crankers hit big and they miss big.. They are a all or nothing type of bowling most of the time.
I'm really enjoying your videos, I'm watching a bunch tonight both trying to unearth any keys to bring myself to the next level, but also to see if I can figure out why my dad is struggling so much lately. It seems to me like he has a rather high rpm on his ball relative to his (rather slow--10-11 mph according to the speedometer on our lanes) ball speed. As he ages he's got declining ball speed and accuracy. That high rev rate relative to ball speed is forcing him out into extreme lines that don't seem to play very well at our alley and are also harder to hit. We've tried downgrading to a less hooky ball, and he's dropped a pound of ball weight (to 14) in the last couple of years, but he's still super snappy, can't hold that line, and hits a lot of phantom pockets that look good but leave 10 pins. You tell Emily in this video to lengthen her backswing, but I'm not sure that's a great idea for shoulder maintenance for an aging bowler. I have a few queries for you...1) can you do some videos on adjustments aging bowlers with more frail backs, shoulders, and knees can maintain past performance? 2) is there anything he can try to increase ball speed that wouldn't put more pressure on his body? or 3) does he just need to find a way to reduce his rev rate/axis tilt?
Nice reviews. About the 1st bowler : A low backswing can have different causes, one basic one being...anatomy. Each person has a different range of motion in his/her joints. This one must be established first, before trying to make the back swing larger. Otherwise you will create elastic tension on the joint which will hurt consistency.
this was not her case....she is very athletic and has very good flexability...you'll find that most people have more range of motion then they use...stretching before bowling and such helps...our body won't let us do more then we are capable of...although your point is taken in some cases...
REV's are nice but high revs are not always needed. Acracy and consistency are most important. Ball speed I think is important but I often see to many people trying to force the ball 18 mph and they loose both Acracy and Revs. I feel revs and ball speed need to match up to the lane condition and ball we are throwing. Often if your ball is not hooking up you can slow it down a mph and be right in the pocket. Same goes with hitting high or going Brooklyn on dry burnt lanes, I will totally throw harder So my ball will not hook up. But I thing Acracy and Consistency are the absolute most important. Monday night I just rolled my second 300 in my life. (with 17 X's in a row) !5# ball 13.5 MPH and I am more of a tweener style. That and I it is also my 2nd in less than 2 months as my 1st ever was the end of may. But in Feb or March this year I had a 298 in open bowl. But my 1st was a house shot on league and the second was on a 46 foot flat sports pattern. 😲 Couch ART your videos helped me a lot and I could not be on the hot streak I am on with out them. Thank you so Much!!! My wife asked what changed? I told her that I do best when I keep my ankle to ball close. That and my in and stay under and behind the ball. I am having the of my life since I just really started back after a 15 year long break from it. I have very serious joint and health issues too. Like my bowling shoulder has been operated on 4 times my other one once and then my slide leg has plates and screws holding the ankle together. I have had major surgery on both my hips do to AV Necrosis. I am getting both hips replaced and am starting with the left in Nov. That is my biggest issue I cant always stay up on my left leg and have to step over to my right leg during or after my approach. That and I can not cross my right leg behind me because if my left leg buckles I need to catch my self. You can imagine that might be frustrating. But I only say all that because I want people to know if I can do it with so many bad joints then so can they! Thank you so much for being here. I love you coach. I am proof you do not have to crank it and throw 20 mph!! Ok now I will watch the video. LOL I did not mean to right a pre video ESSAY!!😂😂🤣🤣
For me personally, I could do without ball speed. And Art will see this when he gets to me in one of these. A lot of bowlers could stand to throw it much slower even though they already believe they throw it super slow. Anyone who has RPMs under, we'll say, 350 or so, NEVER needs to throw the ball over 15 mph unless the lanes are sandpaper.
I can drop My ball speed and pick up a little bit of accuracy. I am a low rev rate bowler and have been trying to add some more RPM but trying to find the right spot and trowing the ball in the same place twice is challenging.
The question isn't perfect just like all hypotheticals as on a long pattern I'd rather lose some speed. Short I'd like to lose some revs. Never wanna lose the accuracy tho. Francois Lavoie is a perfect example of finesse winning over revs.
1st DT...A very well thought out answer and you made me proud...Now can you admit that you get far more lucky strikes then good strikes? you are fairly accurate...what causes the lucky strike? I know you know it is the kinetic energy of the bowling ball...where does that kinetic energy come from? If we can impart enough kinetic energy on the bowling ball are those lucky strikes really lucky?
Hi Arthur, Could Emily have a larger 2nd step to open up her shoulders, so she can get higher in her backswing easier? Just thought I'd ask. It's just what I'd tell my students to do. Hope you're well
Hi Allan, yes I am doing well...I just had a live session with Emily where we worked on just that....I felt that it was more important to get her swing moving into the swing at the right...building the power step is really important...As when I give a lesson and this series as these are mini lessons... It is one defiency per lesson...hope you are well
I'm 70, slow speed, 10 mph, low revs, small hands, only 4 1/8 span, and I have to depend on accuracy but leave a lot of 10 pins. My backswing is also limited by range of motion. 170 league average. Do you have any advice for me? Thanks!
If you are throwing a 15 or 16 mph ball you could step down in weight and pick up a little more speed. But if you are at a 13lb ball or less I would leave it a lone. Another is to step back on the approach lengthen your stride just a little and take a bigger step on the first one or two steps and you will pick up some speed. If yo read my comment you will see I am in pretty bad shape with joint mobility too. this is one thing I do to speed up. The other is to lift the ball higher in front of me before I start the swing and it naturally increases the back swing. But not lifting it as you start your approach but while you are getting lined up and holding it in starting position. Make it 8 inches taller but do not push away or any of that stuff just let the ball drop into your swing. You will get a bit bigger back swing because of gravity helping you an not having to force it back. I am not 70 but read my review you will see I am most likely in just as bad or worse shape. LOL auto immune shit has my number.
@@ArtOfBowling Thanks, Art. I will do that in the near future, as soon as I can get someone to video me. Thanks Jeremy, I try to hold the ball higher and have stepped back about a foot from where I used to start. That got me about an occasional 11 or 11.5 mph LOL. I throw both 14 and 15 lb balls, but usually 15. It's depressing when I see 12 yr old kids and 70 yr old ladies throwing the ball faster than me, and I know I'm stronger than them and can't figure out what my problem is LOL.
So I increased my speed from 14-15 up to 17-18 , just by making sure I follow through with my swing arm. Speed is amazing now... but I am an up the back bowler with low revs to begin with and now it seems my new speed doesn't leave time for the ball to get into its roll phase before it hits the pins. Constantly leaving me 10 pins. I watched one of your other vids on this subject, and at a slower speed, the ball would roll great, but I left a lot of 5 pins as my ball deflected to much.. 12lb ball. So how can I keep my speed which I love and somehow get it roll correctly? I can't or don't know how to do the yoyo, no matter how many no step drills I have done, I can get the bigger hook, but I have to roll the ball around 10-12mph. LOW REVS and HIGH SPEED.. don't seem to mix.. but I don't want to lose speed, as you said.. speed kills pins.
Revs can go away. Look at bowlers like Norm Duke, WRWJR, how they are accurate, have the right amount of speed in order to let the ball do work instead of them doing the work.
Throwing the ball hard isn't all that impactful if the ball isn't hitting the pocket at the correct angle. It takes a much higher level of accuracy to be able to consistently throw strikes if you aren't able to create some amount of angle down-lane. There are definitely limits, but there are plenty of pro bowlers that don't throw the ball 17+. There's also a limit to how useful revs are--if you throw with 600 rpms, you'd better have a really mild coverstock if you're throwing it slow, otherwise it will overhook. That said, ball choice can fix the overhook problem 9 times out of 10.
@@ArtOfBowling yes it can be. I see it in my senior league all the time. Mastering your skills whether it be speed or revs will get you where you want to be. For example I have a friend who throws the ball at 9.8 mph and not a lot of revs on the ball, but has a good forward roll on the ball and he averages 220. I also have a friend who rockets to the pocket with not many revs and he averages 206. The 220 average bowler leaves his share of ten pins, but when he finds the line he is impossible to beat. The 206 bowler he can get on a roll , but doesn't understand why he leaves a ten or a seven pin so he loses a lot of score because of that. In conclusion it is better to know why you leave a pin here and there and make the appropriate adjustment than to blame luck or the lanes.
Sadly, in today’s game by far the least important is accuracy. Even on the pro tour guys can make substantial lateral misses and still strike as long as they are matched up properly. The women’s tour at least puts out patterns that make them be more accurate.
That's only true if you have over 400 RPMs on the ball. But yeah, if you have 400+ RPMs, the only thing you really need is to have the right ball in your hand, throw it really hard, and most importantly loft it like crazy.
The 2 handed no thumb guy wasn’t looking for help. He actually thinks his bowling is perfect because high revs and wants gratification for it. New age bowlers would rather see the ball make a big hook and leave pins than go straighter and strike. ANYONE can make a big hook without a thumb, takes zero skill.
Revs for sure. I could see speed as well though. I feel like if I'm accurate, the rest doesn't matter, as long as it's consistent
Definitely keep accuracy! I’d say speed. Lots of amazing bowlers out there that have low speed and do very well!
I've always been a low-rev bowler, and while I know that cuts down on my versatility, I find I can compensate for that by adjusting my ball speed up or down as needed and making sure I hit my mark. For my personal game, revs aren't as important as ball speed or accuracy.
Also, I know this might be a hot take, but I think a lot of bowlers like the "showmanship" of a high rev rate, even if it doesn't benefit their game. It certainly looks impressive, but I don't think it's always a plus. We have some high-rev bowlers on our league, and while most of them are good, I also notice that they roll A LOT more splits and Brooklyns.
Great take, I agree ☝️
Yes but what if the high rev player executes better then the low rev player. Trouble.....then the low rev player breaks form trying to juice it. Works both ways i see it all the time.
No matter your style, the ball speed and revs and the ball you are throwing all have to match up to the conditions of the lane or it is not going to be pretty. Myself I love to see a cranker hitting and smashing the pocket but I also love when he is off or using the wrong ball for the conditions and not hitting. Man they get some ugly splits. It sure makes my 13 plus MPH low rev ball look good when it strikes. But you are not wrong crankers hit big and they miss big.. They are a all or nothing type of bowling most of the time.
Accuracy has to remain, regardless. However, speed and revs I put in the same boat. Depends on lane condition and pattern.
are the really in the same boat 🚢 one IS more important then the other and the other is USELESS without the other...
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Just common sense
Thanks coach for responding
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Good job Emily
I'm really enjoying your videos, I'm watching a bunch tonight both trying to unearth any keys to bring myself to the next level, but also to see if I can figure out why my dad is struggling so much lately.
It seems to me like he has a rather high rpm on his ball relative to his (rather slow--10-11 mph according to the speedometer on our lanes) ball speed. As he ages he's got declining ball speed and accuracy. That high rev rate relative to ball speed is forcing him out into extreme lines that don't seem to play very well at our alley and are also harder to hit. We've tried downgrading to a less hooky ball, and he's dropped a pound of ball weight (to 14) in the last couple of years, but he's still super snappy, can't hold that line, and hits a lot of phantom pockets that look good but leave 10 pins. You tell Emily in this video to lengthen her backswing, but I'm not sure that's a great idea for shoulder maintenance for an aging bowler. I have a few queries for you...1) can you do some videos on adjustments aging bowlers with more frail backs, shoulders, and knees can maintain past performance? 2) is there anything he can try to increase ball speed that wouldn't put more pressure on his body? or 3) does he just need to find a way to reduce his rev rate/axis tilt?
Love your Joe Peci imitation !!! 😎👍👌 LOL !
Nice reviews. About the 1st bowler : A low backswing can have different causes, one basic one being...anatomy. Each person has a different range of motion in his/her joints. This one must be established first, before trying to make the back swing larger. Otherwise you will create elastic tension on the joint which will hurt consistency.
this was not her case....she is very athletic and has very good flexability...you'll find that most people have more range of motion then they use...stretching before bowling and such helps...our body won't let us do more then we are capable of...although your point is taken in some cases...
@@ArtOfBowling True, very few of us stretch regularly.
@@bowlingxp8345 I stretch the truth a lot about how well I bowl… does that count 🥴
@@gwenstizzy Hahahaha good one ! i wish !!
@@gwenstizzy 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Or about why I bowled bad. 😂😂
def revs
REV's are nice but high revs are not always needed. Acracy and consistency are most important. Ball speed I think is important but I often see to many people trying to force the ball 18 mph and they loose both Acracy and Revs. I feel revs and ball speed need to match up to the lane condition and ball we are throwing. Often if your ball is not hooking up you can slow it down a mph and be right in the pocket. Same goes with hitting high or going Brooklyn on dry burnt lanes, I will totally throw harder So my ball will not hook up. But I thing Acracy and Consistency are the absolute most important.
Monday night I just rolled my second 300 in my life. (with 17 X's in a row) !5# ball 13.5 MPH and I am more of a tweener style. That and I it is also my 2nd in less than 2 months as my 1st ever was the end of may. But in Feb or March this year I had a 298 in open bowl. But my 1st was a house shot on league and the second was on a 46 foot flat sports pattern. 😲
Couch ART your videos helped me a lot and I could not be on the hot streak I am on with out them. Thank you so Much!!! My wife asked what changed? I told her that I do best when I keep my ankle to ball close. That and my in and stay under and behind the ball.
I am having the of my life since I just really started back after a 15 year long break from it. I have very serious joint and health issues too. Like my bowling shoulder has been operated on 4 times my other one once and then my slide leg has plates and screws holding the ankle together. I have had major surgery on both my hips do to AV Necrosis. I am getting both hips replaced and am starting with the left in Nov. That is my biggest issue I cant always stay up on my left leg and have to step over to my right leg during or after my approach. That and I can not cross my right leg behind me because if my left leg buckles I need to catch my self. You can imagine that might be frustrating. But I only say all that because I want people to know if I can do it with so many bad joints then so can they!
Thank you so much for being here. I love you coach. I am proof you do not have to crank it and throw 20 mph!! Ok now I will watch the video. LOL I did not mean to right a pre video ESSAY!!😂😂🤣🤣
Most people ruin their score by obsessing over high revs.
@@maxsanchez2339 Yep. that they do. Many of them put so many revs on a 12 to13 mph ball and then watch it go brooklyn the entire night.
For me personally, I could do without ball speed. And Art will see this when he gets to me in one of these. A lot of bowlers could stand to throw it much slower even though they already believe they throw it super slow.
Anyone who has RPMs under, we'll say, 350 or so, NEVER needs to throw the ball over 15 mph unless the lanes are sandpaper.
I can drop My ball speed and pick up a little bit of accuracy. I am a low rev rate bowler and have been trying to add some more RPM but trying to find the right spot and trowing the ball in the same place twice is challenging.
The question isn't perfect just like all hypotheticals as on a long pattern I'd rather lose some speed. Short I'd like to lose some revs. Never wanna lose the accuracy tho. Francois Lavoie is a perfect example of finesse winning over revs.
1st DT...A very well thought out answer and you made me proud...Now can you admit that you get far more lucky strikes then good strikes? you are fairly accurate...what causes the lucky strike? I know you know it is the kinetic energy of the bowling ball...where does that kinetic energy come from? If we can impart enough kinetic energy on the bowling ball are those lucky strikes really lucky?
ohh and you need all the speed you can get!!!
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No doubt it's revs. Accuracy and speed can beat revs without accuracy, or speed.
Hi Arthur, Could Emily have a larger 2nd step to open up her shoulders, so she can get higher in her backswing easier? Just thought I'd ask. It's just what I'd tell my students to do. Hope you're well
Hi Allan, yes I am doing well...I just had a live session with Emily where we worked on just that....I felt that it was more important to get her swing moving into the swing at the right...building the power step is really important...As when I give a lesson and this series as these are mini lessons... It is one defiency per lesson...hope you are well
@@ArtOfBowling I'm good thanks
I throw it to fast for the ball to react still don't know how to slow it down
better to learn how to make the ball react to the speed you roll it
I'm 70, slow speed, 10 mph, low revs, small hands, only 4 1/8 span, and I have to depend on accuracy but leave a lot of 10 pins. My backswing is also limited by range of motion. 170 league average. Do you have any advice for me? Thanks!
send me video
If you are throwing a 15 or 16 mph ball you could step down in weight and pick up a little more speed. But if you are at a 13lb ball or less I would leave it a lone. Another is to step back on the approach lengthen your stride just a little and take a bigger step on the first one or two steps and you will pick up some speed. If yo read my comment you will see I am in pretty bad shape with joint mobility too. this is one thing I do to speed up. The other is to lift the ball higher in front of me before I start the swing and it naturally increases the back swing. But not lifting it as you start your approach but while you are getting lined up and holding it in starting position. Make it 8 inches taller but do not push away or any of that stuff just let the ball drop into your swing. You will get a bit bigger back swing because of gravity helping you an not having to force it back. I am not 70 but read my review you will see I am most likely in just as bad or worse shape. LOL auto immune shit has my number.
@@ArtOfBowling Thanks, Art. I will do that in the near future, as soon as I can get someone to video me. Thanks Jeremy, I try to hold the ball higher and have stepped back about a foot from where I used to start. That got me about an occasional 11 or 11.5 mph LOL. I throw both 14 and 15 lb balls, but usually 15. It's depressing when I see 12 yr old kids and 70 yr old ladies throwing the ball faster than me, and I know I'm stronger than them and can't figure out what my problem is LOL.
@@bigjiminmo3512 based on watching my dad go through the same thing...be thankful you've got low revs, he can't hold a line.
So I increased my speed from 14-15 up to 17-18 , just by making sure I follow through with my swing arm. Speed is amazing now... but I am an up the back bowler with low revs to begin with and now it seems my new speed doesn't leave time for the ball to get into its roll phase before it hits the pins. Constantly leaving me 10 pins. I watched one of your other vids on this subject, and at a slower speed, the ball would roll great, but I left a lot of 5 pins as my ball deflected to much.. 12lb ball. So how can I keep my speed which I love and somehow get it roll correctly? I can't or don't know how to do the yoyo, no matter how many no step drills I have done, I can get the bigger hook, but I have to roll the ball around 10-12mph. LOW REVS and HIGH SPEED.. don't seem to mix.. but I don't want to lose speed, as you said.. speed kills pins.
Revs can go away. Look at bowlers like Norm Duke, WRWJR, how they are accurate, have the right amount of speed in order to let the ball do work instead of them doing the work.
Throwing the ball hard isn't all that impactful if the ball isn't hitting the pocket at the correct angle. It takes a much higher level of accuracy to be able to consistently throw strikes if you aren't able to create some amount of angle down-lane. There are definitely limits, but there are plenty of pro bowlers that don't throw the ball 17+.
There's also a limit to how useful revs are--if you throw with 600 rpms, you'd better have a really mild coverstock if you're throwing it slow, otherwise it will overhook. That said, ball choice can fix the overhook problem 9 times out of 10.
I don't need speed if I have accuracy and revs.
is a high rev game with slow speed effective at all?
@@ArtOfBowling yes it can be. I see it in my senior league all the time. Mastering your skills whether it be speed or revs will get you where you want to be. For example I have a friend who throws the ball at 9.8 mph and not a lot of revs on the ball, but has a good forward roll on the ball and he averages 220. I also have a friend who rockets to the pocket with not many revs and he averages 206. The 220 average bowler leaves his share of ten pins, but when he finds the line he is impossible to beat. The 206 bowler he can get on a roll , but doesn't understand why he leaves a ten or a seven pin so he loses a lot of score because of that.
In conclusion it is better to know why you leave a pin here and there and make the appropriate adjustment than to blame luck or the lanes.
I would guess it’s revs. If I could accurately chuck the ball at the pocket I can see strikes happening
Revs?
Sadly, in today’s game by far the least important is accuracy. Even on the pro tour guys can make substantial lateral misses and still strike as long as they are matched up properly. The women’s tour at least puts out patterns that make them be more accurate.
That's only true if you have over 400 RPMs on the ball. But yeah, if you have 400+ RPMs, the only thing you really need is to have the right ball in your hand, throw it really hard, and most importantly loft it like crazy.
Perception doesn’t equal reality.
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Reves can go as long as I still have accuracy and speed
that is the correct answer you must watch every video we produce
@@ArtOfBowling I am definitely catching up. See you soon
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I say speed- I’ve seen balls being thrown at speed of 10 mph and strike
have you seen 10 mile an hour ball hit the pins on 15 board and leave 4 5 7 and a 20 mile an hour ball hit on 15 and trip the 4 5 7...
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Revs for us old folks ...........
Could you critique me! 🙏🏼
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The 2 handed no thumb guy wasn’t looking for help. He actually thinks his bowling is perfect because high revs and wants gratification for it. New age bowlers would rather see the ball make a big hook and leave pins than go straighter and strike. ANYONE can make a big hook without a thumb, takes zero skill.
I can not take you it’s horrible
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