The Fighter that was a Total Nightmare for Everyone Involved
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2024
- At the dawn of the Atomic Age of Flight, just a year from the shadows of World War II, the Republic F-84 Thunderjet carved its path through the heavens, eclipsing the legendary speeds of the P-51 Mustang by nearly 200 miles per hour. As the first jet warplane to roll off the American production lines in mass, it stood on the brink of revolutionizing the skies.
With its sleek lines and straight-wings, the F-84 soared with a singular purpose: to redefine the rules of aerial engagement.
Abandoning traditional pistons for the raw power of an Allison J-35-A-13C turbojet, it shattered the national speed record, thundering through the atmosphere at a groundbreaking 607.2 miles per hour.
Yet, the Thunderjet was more than a mere speed demon; it was a symbol of a new, terrifying chapter in military strategy. As the inaugural fighter-bomber capable of wielding a nuclear weapon, it marked the onset of a fearsome chapter in global warfare.
But the journey of this pioneering aircraft was not without its turbulence. Plagued by a litany of mechanical malfunctions and daunting maintenance challenges, it earned the notorious title of "Mechanic's Nightmare."
As the clouds of the Korean War gathered on the horizon, the F-84 Thunderjet was poised to demonstrate its true mettle, proving that its legacy was not to be defined by early tribulations... 
Наука
It's always sad when it's obvious that the narrator knows nothing about the subject. :(
My bigger problem is the utterly cliche-soaked script. It's a cheese-fest all the way.
I don't think it's narrated by a human
@@tracycurtright2671 Bots can do syntax, but they can't manage context. Obviously a translation bot, as evidenced by the "me" instead of Me in the Me 109.
Robonnouncer can say steak but doesn't know shit about the "Sizzle"...
Figuring out how the words fit in a sentence is what's missing!
Yeah; only the Germans and Soviets use "12.7mm" machine guns; everyone else uses good old .50 caliber machine guns....
One of my uncles was a highly decorated pilot in Korea. Before he went to Korea he flew the F-84 in the US. His concern about the F-84 was its unreliable fuel gauge. This fact almost proved fatal when he ran out of fuel over one of the western states.
He looked immediately for a place to belly land and took her down in a cotton field. The jet sustained remarkably little damage and my uncle was unharmed. Needless to say his exploit made headlines.
I still have the extensive story with photographs from a local newspaper.
Two of the eight MiGs shot down by an F-84 were shot down by the same pilot, Wally Shirra - who would go on to fly faster and higher craft.
Those craft, of course, bring all three of the first NASA manned capsules…Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo….just in case anyone didn’t know.
I did not know that! Thanks
The combat record of US astronauts is something I should really look into. I heard Buzz Aldrin participated in the Korean war and many other astronaus.
Wally Schirra was also the '50's test pilot who flew the program during the development of the Sidewinder missile at China Lake.
Buzz Aldrin flew in Korea and shot down two MiGs. John Glenn got three MiG kills. Jim McDivitt, Neil Armstrong and Walt Cunningham flew in Korea, but had no shoot downs.
As a kid, I saw a bunch of these fly over New Plymouth, New Zealand in 1955. What impressed me was that their low-level approach was silent, with a crashing roar only as they passed overhead.
I have to agree with Steve it is sad when the narrator does not know what he is talking about about. The first jet fighter for the air force was the f-80
5:18 “tandem landing gear layout” actually a tricycle.
The quality of the script matches the quality of the narration. Both were done by robots🙃🙃.
Given that it marked the successful turning point from piston engine to axial flow jet it could hardly be described as a 'nightmare' especially since its basic design was maintained in the swept wing F-84F,
A bit of clickbait.
The Thunderjet served in the Royal Norwegian Airforce in the early 1950s. My older cousin flew one after having been to a flying school in Texas. Many of his fellow pupils were killed as the planes were unreliable and difficult to fly. I watched one go down in flames in a forest near my home on November 11, 1956, and the pilot was killed. It was an F-84G-31, serial no. 52-8296. I mounted my bike and rode to the crash site before any military personell had arrived, and picked up a couple of aluminium pieces. Strictly forbidden of course, but what did an eager young boy know back then? I still have those pieces. Many other Thunderjets ended like that in Norway. We had the impression that they were dumped upon us as members of NATO and had no other choice than receiving them.
One of the most cogent and informative comments sections. Everyone is making interesting points that clearly comes from first-hand experiences. Thanks!
I like the Information but the narration needs work. Mispronouncing common words, showing one aircraft while talking about another. This is amateur stuff. I want my aviation history to be better.
I highly recommend "Not a Pound For Air to Ground", one of the BEST of the newest aviation channels on youtube! The narrator is simply superb and has all his ducks in a row.
Hardly a nightmare, that's just more clickbait. After its teething problems were sorted it served well enough in combat. It then went on to become the base of a swept wing version of even higher performance.
Nice video on the Thunderjet (Thunder Hog to us maintenance guys, Ground Hog to the pilots). Only other comment is there was quite a few photos/videos of the F-84F Thunderstreak mixed in, pretty much a totally different aircraft. Was good to see both jets, as a Republic loving Maintenance guy, having worked the F-105G Thunderchief and the A-10 Thunderbolt II in my career.
Concur. I was going to comment on the F Thunderstreak footage being mixed in. My uncle was killed flying an F-84F from Turner AFB ,Ga
The F-84F, painted a sickly blue, usually played the MiG-15 in most B Movie Korean War Films....
"The Hunters!" My dad flew F-86 's in the movie
@billgund… Great flying scenes! From the dogfighting scenes to the footage of the F86 mushing out as it flew along the river basin.
@@truthboomertruthbomber5125 I think the scene you're referring to is an F-100 Super Sabre that tragically crashed and killed the pilot.
@@billgund4532 No, it was an F86. Mitchum's character had been shot down and the young hot shoe was flying along the river looking for him. He strafed some chicoms and then ejected to go save Mitchum's character.
@@truthboomertruthbomber5125 now I remember. I do recall several movies that showed the F-100's infamous "Sabre Dance." My dad was an F-86 IP at Williams AFB and flew in some of the scenes.
Interesting and informative video on a lesser known (to me) aircraft. The footage of the Gloster Meteor is actually showing the Gloster E. 28/39 flying in 1941. It preceded the Meteor but looks to have had a considerable influence on the design of the Thunderjet.
Ignored the RF-84F that was flying with the ANG into the early 1970s.
It is commented that the Thunderbirds were equipped with the G model while showing them flying the F. No Go! 😑
Also, were those "Mig 15" fighters or the follow on Mig 17 or Mig 19?
The Me 262 reached operational squadron service in Dec 1944 with JG 07. The RAF Meteor reaches operational squadron service in July 1944 with RAF 616 a full five months before the German jet fighter. They Jumo 004B never even went into series production until August 44. Some pre production test Jumo's were used in 262's used in combat with test and trial units in the summer of 44 but they were not operational squadrons. Also British jet engines had been test flown with jet engines producing over 5000lbs thrust during WW2. Metropolitan Vickers produced Axial flow turbojet engines which first ran in 1941 and had produced the worlds first successful turboprop engine and Turbo Fan during the war. The produced them in some numbers for use in high speed rescue launches used for rescuing downed pilots in the channel and north sea.
Total nightmare for everyone involved 🤣🤣 especially the guy in charge of finding appropriate footage. But loved the old Clark tugs
The high losses of the F-84, like the high losses of the later Republic F-105, were due to their use as ground attack fighter bombers. The tactics for hitting ground targets were not any different than that used during WWII, with both planes essentially making shallow angle dive bombing runs on the targets. This forced the planes to have to fly through walls of steel flak from AAA, which by this time were increasingly lethal. It wasn't until the high losses of the Vietnam War, as well as the poor accuracy of this type of bombing that standoff methods of bombing and smart bombs were developed.
P63 was actually the first jet fighter it was built by bell aircraft
@@user-bi3ox2qd8l I think you meant to say P-59.The Bell P-63 Kingcobra very much was a piston powered fighter, but the Bell P-59 Airacomet was the first US jet fighter.
my dad flew the strait wing in korea mostly in ground attack and said it was a solid gun platform for that role, and praised its ability to absorb ground fire.
Groundbreaking is perhaps not the best description?
Better than the Ryan Fireball, of course... ;-)
To develop the straight wing Thunderjet into the swept wing F-84F Thunderstreak was quite an achievement and a very successful conversion as well.
Finally, a video that explains how a jet engine works.
8 Mig 15's shot down, 249 lost in combat... It was a Thunderbolt with a jet engine.
Straight wing used, while the B17 pilots observed already in 1944 and 1945 swept wings on the mighty fast Me 262 and Me 163.. On 25 june 1950, the Korean war started. So five year aerodynamic engineering executed on the wrong horse.
North Amerian saw it early. Straight winged Mustang, swept wing and slatted Sabre. Just as it has to be.
So where/when did the F-84 sweptwing version come in? Or was that a much different aircraft?
My hometown airport in Ohio hosted n ANG squadron of thunderstreaks. They flew almost every weekend. I watched them many times growing up
and visiting my great aunt's farm just a mile from the airport.
Thanks in advance for any replies....
I know I saw several of these while I was 2 to 4 years old as they flew low over the neighborhood in Canal Fulton Ohio. There was an Air National Guard air base nearby. They flew low enough to see the pilots .I remember my mom and dad and other neighbors talking about broken windows from sonic booms as they would break the sound barrier. This was from about 1956 to 1958. I even built a model of this plane when I was about 10 years old . It was a real warplane to be remembered.
Good Video But The Narration Is Lacking.
That's not a Meteor, It's a Gloster Whittle.
Officially the E28/39, it's design registration ( design / contract E for experimental number 28 of year 1939 ), it was variously known as the 'Pioneer' and the 'Squirt' by the people who built and flew it. Model kits say Gloster E28/39, usually.
@@stevetheduck1425 Same aeroplane and still not a Meteor.
Frank Whittle's prewar jet.
Yours is the comment I was looking for.
It's a shame the fools who put these videos together apparently know little to nothing about aircraft identification, and don't seem to care to learn.
Don Broughton has an interesting take on the rocket package by Orlikon that was great, but was never introduced. Also no mention of Republic's 'DIRT SNIFFER" as they had a reeeaaaallly long take off run. Dane
Quote: “Nobody had yet engineered a safe, reliable and battle ready jet.” LOL. The Me 262 was operational years before. What’s the guy talking about?
Cool aircraft
Good old films of the aircraft. Very poor descriptions .
Excellent. Thank You
At 6:30 , the announcer is talking about the GE J-35 , while the clip shows them wheeling out a Jumo 004B ( note the size of the engine , the exhaust nozzle , and the pod shape of the cowling ). Whoever did the research for the videos should be spanked with a DVD .
Maybe there wasn’t a video that show the J-35 as the Juno 004B. Use your imagination! Think outside of the box.
Others ir stop complaining or make your on videos and research and delight us with your knowledge
😂😂
At 4:16 you are showing the Gloster E.28/39, not a Meteor. This aircraft was built as a testbed for development of Whittle jet engines.
Very cliched narrative. All very well back in the 1950s but a more analytical approach would be more appropriate in this day and age.
No way this narrative was from the 1950’s. At one point he used the phrase “flip the script.”
As a kid ... it was my favourite jet airplane.
Even the little balls wood glider had it painted on it.
I just like the looks of it!
And the P-80 & T-33.
It's "balsa wood". Not "balls wood".
Some things are just iconic shapes. Mac Donald sign, Silhouette of Mickey Mouse, First Ford Mustang, First Corvette, Coke bottle. And the F 84.
This is why you find these things as yard art on metal poles stuck in front of VFW Posts... it was a piece of jwnk. You'd rather have a MiG.
We've got one here in Waynesboro, GA sitting by the side of the road, it's plexiglass canopy completely frosted over.
My dad flew one on a raid to a power supply building connected to a dam over the Yalu during the Korean War. He referred to it as a 'lead sled.'
Back in the 90's I saw one of these planes in bad shape out behind a Vocational School in Crossville TN. Have no idea what it was doing there or where it went. Hell, it may still be there.
Can't you tell the difference between the Gloster Whittle and the Gloster Meteor? And the F84E/G and the F84F? Sad....
In the ‘60’s SMU ROTC had one on display on the south side of Moody coliseum. As little kids we thought it really cool to climb all over it. PC eventually caused it to be removed.
Some interesting footage there. Pity a lot of it was mismatched to the voiceover, and often totally unrelated to the topic at all. Especially the Gloster E28/39 experimental jet footage when talking about the Gloster Meteor. And repeated shots of swept wing aircraft when talking about the straight-winged Thunderjet. Not exactly a quality channel, I suspect.
Agreed
Republic finally got it together with the F-105.
At 12:16 , the announcer misidentifies a formation of MiG-17s as MiG-15s.
Too much lingo which sounds like talk from a used car salesman. The facts are interesting enough.
I actually have an original Allison J35 factory training manual from 1950.
Oh dear...Talking about the twin-engined Gloster Meteor you displayed photos of the prototype Gloster E28/39 ( first British jey with a single Whittle turbojet.
i flew into a field in Turkey one time , on a C-130, there were about 50 of these sitting around in disrepair.
Good thing it had support struuuts
They made pretty good Target drones
I thght the P-80 Shooting Star was america's first true jet fighter??? (other than clumbering the Bell-59)
It was👍🏻
That is NOT a Gloster Meteor, that is footage of the Gloster E. 28/39 research plane, & only the 2nd pure-jet aircraft to fly. Very sloppy research & editing. I gave up on this vid, after that.
Waiting on your video editing and research video.
Better to enjoy the video than complaint about everything
100% agreement! 'Sloppy' sums it up. If you can't get the basic film footage right, what else have you got wrong?
No mention of the fact that the J35 engine was a direct descendant of the British Whittle J33.
That.... is not the Gloster Meteor...
Although by todays jets these are about gone and we may have a few on hand today nonetheless this was a good jet fighter.
It was not first American jet, the P-80 was
America’s first jet was the Bell P-59 Airacomet. Intended as a fighter but half the order was cancelled and the remainder were used as trainers due to poor performance.
Yes, the P-80 was the first US production jet, but as a fighter, it was a GREAT trainer. The P-84 was the fist production jet fighter bomber, emphasis on the bomber part. As alluded to in the video, it was always conceived as an evolutionary replacement of another Republic fighter bomber, the P-47. The first pure fighter, of course, was the P-51's successor, the North American P(F)-86
You are exactly right, both of you.
He didn't say it was the first jet.
@@paulholmes672 You are confusing design purpose with later operational use, among other things.
The P-80 was the first USAAF operational jet fighter, not the F-86. They were both designed as "pure" fighters, not that I agree with your use of that term.
The P-47 was a high altitude fighter, not a fighter bomber. Like almost all WWII fighters it also operated in the ground attack role, but it was designed for air- to-air, not air-to-ground. The F-84 was designed as Republic's first jet fighter to succeed the P-47, and of course it was used also used as fighter-bomber in the same way the P-47 was, along with the P=51, F-80, and almost every other jet fighter the USAF flew.
The wing design was outdated even by that of the Me262.
Early successful jets, that is the F86 Sabre and the Mig15 both used the identical Messerschmitt type A wing plan unchanged. Only no mention of that or the origin in the axial flow engine though here though is there. Typical ‘murican documentary of the time I guess.
@@drstrangelove4998 The F-86 and MiG-15 did not use the wing of the Me262. The wing of the F-86 had more in common with the P-51, except that it was swept to 35 degrees to delay shock formation. The wing of the 262 was originally straight, until the outer panels only were later swept to 17 degrees to solve a center of gravity issue when the engines turned out to be heaver than the original design had accounted for. The wings of the DC-3 had been "swept" to the same degree for the same reason.
Thunderscreech was a plane that shouldn't have been conceived.
What are support stroots? Are they from Holland?
F-84, the original lead sled
At least it has the excuse of being original, as in early. The F9F entered service two years later and was over 100 knots slower on more thrust.
You showed the Gloster Whittle, not the Gloster Meteor which was a totally different design.
A surprisingly low 8 MiG-15 kills, against losses of 305 Thunderjets, with 249 of those losses from combat missions and 56 non-combat losses.
Not surprising. There is no point in comparing air-to-air kills again total combat losses, most of which were to ground fire. This plane was used more for ground attack once the Mig-15 forced the US to bring the F-86 into the war.
The Mig-15 shot down 18 F-84 Thunderjets. But the F-84's ,mostly the "G" model not only shot down 8 Mig-15's but also had another 93 Mig-15 "probables" and destroyed another 125 Mig-15's on the ground. Along with carrying 60% of the ground attack role through out the Korean war. Typical Republic. Always doing the toughest dirty work that has to be done but not getting the glory. All Republics were "war winners"!!
@@Richard-xr4wj I share you appreciation of the tremendous wartime contributions made by aircraft of the Republic Aviation Corporation. They always did the heavy lifting.
One of my A&P Instructors in the '80's had been Air Force in the '50's and he referred to this aircraft as "The F-84 Blunderjet by Repulsive Aviation."
My pops was 43rd flightline laredo afb 59-63 learning on these he said pain in the ass till u understand its beauty lol most pilots never got along with flightline mechanics
I read a joke from Cold War era aviation "If the USAF built a runway stretching from New York to Los Angeles, Republic would immediately design an aircraft that needed every inch of it to take off".
@@paulfrantizek102 Maybe that's why my Instructor called them "Repulsive Aviation. Chance Vought built a great aircraft in the F4U Corsair but their reputation suffered with the F7U Cutlass which was referred to in the fleet as the "Gutless Cutlass."
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
4:13 That is the first British jet aircraft, the single engine proof of concept Gloster E28/39 and not the twin engine Meteor.
Dutch CTL had Thunderjets.
The narration sounded like it was written by Republic Aviation's PR department.
Be great if you showed the British aircraft that actually was the twin engined jet Meteor.
That's NOT a Gloster Meteor you are showing!
Wally ended up in space Mercury Gemini and Apollo....😊
JET FIGHTERS!!!!!!
It`s really just a streaked out P47M with a jet engine.
Or an aerocobra with the really cool gun removed
apparently your editors dont know what a glostor meteor looks like.....
Lagging behind !
Overall, a nicely done video.....but SOMEBODY took a few too many HYPERBOLE PILLS, OR they've been watching too damn much ESPN!!! I have always been a big fan of the F-84, but I almost felt like I needed to leave the room, because the Thunderjet PORN was just WAY TOO HOT AND HEAVY!! Yikes.....
I was sceptical when it was claimed the F-87 Saber was contemorary to the 'First Jets the Thunderjet & the Shooting Star'
By 4.17 with a Gloster E 28 / 39 appered as 'the Gloster METEOR' I just gave up watching and wrote this before checking out.
Subscribe? I don't think so thanks
Gloster E28/39 not Meteor.
Um no one had worked out a jet? 262 pilots might beg to differ and better weapons too. Just let down by engines
Sounds like an average jet with some serious problems presented by his boxing promoter!😝
Very informative….and nice to have only subtle music in the background.
F-84...Afterburner? please do your research
If you are going to talk about a Meteor, then show one.
Waiting on your channel and research videos!
Sloppy, Not a Meteor.
Showing the F80 in flight while the subject is the F84 is a sorry way to begin a narrative, and the misidentification continues throughout this travesty. It's 4:44, and I'm leaving this mess.
Nope
LMAO, talks of the Glostor Meteor and then shows a completely different aircraft, the Glostor E.28/39 experimental which was the second jet aircraft to fly in the world in 1941. This is why you don't take RUclips videos serious.
If someone built a runway around the world, Republic would build an airplane that wouldn't take off from it.
poor editing but far from the worst I've seen.