Did guys see the latest Elon scam? on twitter he claimed that his starlink satellites is over Ukraine providng internet for everyone YET, he never mentioned that you need a $500 satellite dish to link up to the Starlink satellite NATO is even having trouble delivering weapons, yet Musk expects Amazon to ship a $500 satellite dish in a middle of a warzone
Finally someone with the right mind to implement this into cars. Remember seeing this concept for electric scooters in Taiwan. A lot more convenient for delivery drivers who have a higher mileage than other users.
That "concept" for electric delivery scooters already exists across China, it costs about 300 RMB per month with unlimited 24/7 battery swaping service.
Renault had a pilot program along with a Israeli company called Better Place of I recall around 2010. Stations would swap the battery of the Renault Fluence The company lasted some 5 years before they folded for some mismanagement and high development cost. Was something last year that Renault would revisit the concept but not much else is known.
scooter is make sense but not for car. i cannot guarantee that it is sealed from water. especially it is placed under the car and covered with dirt. hard to make sure it is sealed. indonesia often flood
I think battery chargers should still exist, but in our houses. It's pretty convenient being able to recharge or "refuel" your EV at home as you don't really need to go to a battery swap station all the time. Battery swap stations can simply replace the battery chargers OUTSIDE our homes.
in China most people don't live individual houses, Apartment complex have limited parking spots and not everywhere can have a fast charger installed As EV becomes the norm, imagine how many fast chargers that would be, all the cables and malfunctions, the maintenance alone would be nightmarish Battery swap can simplify that into a structure no larger that 2 containers.
@@obsidianstatue That's why I said that battery swap stations should replace the battery chargers outside houses. As for apartments, yeah it's better to place a battery swap station near them so you don't have to drive for kilometers to find one
@@caesarforlife1663 Well, I could agree that it would save more time but not your bank account as replacing a battery can cost 10x than charging your electric vehicle. If you dont want to waste time you don't have to switch to an ev.
As long as the connectors and shape of battery is standardized for all ev cars. Otherwise we would end up like with the phone chargers, all different ports/connectors.
I'm also skeptical how sustainable this is with Li-Ion batteries. To have enough batteries to keep in rotation for all the cars on the road... Do we even have that much lithium?
@@mikicerise6250 maybe this will make it easier to recycle batteries. I know that less than the whole battery will be thrown away when Nio can help it.
If they can make it work it's a potential game changer for EV. They can use slow charge to prolong battery life and you still get in and out of recharge stations fast. If it's like this, even vehicles with only 200 or 300 km autonomy can become attractive. 👍
Did my paper on battery swapping. Battery swapping is the best choice since it doesn’t require a large infrastructure. Can simply charge batteries and hold underground without building out a vast super charging network which also would take up a lot of real estate. Also, NIO doesn’t charge you the upfront costs of a battery making it more affordable for consumers.
@@sly9263 then have the option to sell EV's with no battery, plus an add-on service that will provide batteries on the go, available at the dealership. I'd rather my car be charged instantly. Plus I'm fairly certain these companies have tolerances for battery life before putting them in cars on the road.
@@pkal244 I don't see any measurement process going on here and the liability of damaged batteries being swapped out is high. You need human eyes on a per transaction basis. This is cool on paper, not in practice
@@sly9263 both our arguments are just conjecture until we see how this plays out in China. I mean, I would rather have a battery that I wouldn't have to switch out, but it would have to charge instantly and last for 600 miles. Technology will get there at some point but until then I think there's a market for battery switching.
A 3 minute battery swap is even faster than filling a petrol or diesel fuel tank. It also has the potential to eliminate the battery degradation problem for EV’s. Why not a future where you can choose between a 3 minute swap and a fast charge or an overnight charge at different price points? Different people will have different needs so let the market choose what is best for them.
the whole point of recharging battery is to save the environment. if we keep replacing battery then gas is a better way as its already proven the materials use to create ev battery is bad enough for the enviroment
@@zedmaster2178 I understood this process to be take the batteries out of the car and replace them with fully charged batteries. The batteries that were removed are then charged up and given to a customer later on. No extra wastage.
@@zedmaster2178 You beautifully missed some of the benefits of this battery swapping station. Watch the video again and think of the benefits of such a system.
China 🇨🇳 has advanced so quickly in the last 40 years. Politics aside, you have to give credit to Chinese government for better quality of life given to citizens.
they advanced so fast because no one has a word to say, any right to say anything that would go against the politics choosen and so on so in my book that's cheating, efficient but cheating and it sureley doesnt deserve any credit when you know what it come with ;) be careful what you wish for
@@paulhailey2537 indeed yes, and even more dangerous: Avgas (aviation fuel). Just a word of warning since L-ion cells are not only in our cars.. Remember the Samsung Galaxy Note 7?
Making the battery easy to remove also makes it easy to upgrade the battery in the future. As battery technology improves you can upgrade to a battery with more capacity, or maybe a battery with the same capacity but is lighter.
Exactly, NIO actually offers that service through Battery As A Service model, meaning customers can purchase to own the car itself (chassis, powertrain) and lease the battery from NIO. As the batteries are consumables and owned by NIO, customers can choose the capacity to lease and get replaced with a fully charged one at a swaping station. Once a battery capacity gets below certain threshold, NIO claims it'll be decommissioned from swaping stations to be used in energy storage facilities or their mobile charging unit recycle. Customers won't have to deal with the depreciation of having an old battery in their car, and can also choose to upgrade from 70 kWh, 85kWh to 100kWh or higher once it becomes available.
I always amazed how China look what other big companies did (Tesla producing EV), and they try to do the same with bunch of mind-blowing innovations. That's why their economy is growing like crazy.
@@secretsinthedark5704 That person actually doesn't do it, the car is programmed to do it themselves unless it is rush hour or a certain stations that are in really awkward location
I knew this would happen 5 years ago. It had to. I thought motor racing where they battery swapped in the pits in seconds. Here we are. This is so cool
Best thing about swapping is you can get bigger battery when it comes available. Currently the biggest battery NIO offer is 100kwh. But 150kwh will be coming out soon.
They could sell the car with small batteries for lower price. People will have an option to upgrade their battery capacity when they need to travel long distance for example. Pay the sum, and swap back to small capacity with less price for short daily usage.
Tesla: $30,000 for changing your old inefficient battery Nio: Hey yo, here change fully charged battery with us, anyway we also have a brand new 150kwh upgrade batteries, you just pay it with the charging bill!
Bolt in Bolt out. If a machine is bolting it in, I'm sure there is a torque spec the machine follows. If there is an issue in the future about debris, I'm sure they really only need to put a cover. It would be strange if there was no cover now tbh.
Tesla has this feature built into the Model S more than 5 years ago and even had a battery swapping station in central California. But they closed the station a couple years back for whatever reason. Hopefully it'll work out in China.
I think it also comes with government regulations. Without clear guidelines, businesses hesitate to invest for such technologies. Also, most companies would like a closed circuit product like what Apple does to have full control of the after sales. Governments should standardize the charging ports, wattage, and pricing so that more players can come in.
It’s not an easy thing to get established. It’s more expensive than charging so most people would avoid it at first. Nio is giving these swaps out for free.
It's *economically unable to keep up, cost too much in US. Tesla losses $ in US through their bad build quality* Plus maintenance of the station up keep is not workable in US, high labour cost, unethical behaviour (too many) US made is bad quality. Tesla US suffer quality issues for decade+ and still quality is Not stable. Tesla US lost a lot to repair the sold vehicles... Whereas *China Tesla make profits, high quality cars and export acceptable to EU standards* Maintenance and up keep of high-tech charging stations is affordable in China, efficiency is high, quality & high ethic of workers US has just too much issues with up keep of anything, eg charging stations plus US social stability is not there. People will damage, theft, graffiti... Sadly the place & people generally has become very low quality & nasty
that's because US governmnet focus on Wars, and lacking of develpment of their infrastructures. batteray swap station will cost way much more in US than in China!!! Tesla won't be able to make money with those stations.
I had this ideia, and in Europe Renault had the ideia too, but it was if other EV’s brands also adopted and all of them cooperated and standardized battery pack’s, but they do not came in agreement and the ideia never came out of paper. My great respect and admiration for Nio…
Thank-you! I've been saying this for years! Have a battery swap program that everyone pools into. EVs can be quicker than filling gas if it is mechanized. I envisioned it being outdoors, but indoors is safer. It looks like an automated car-wash. You don't even have to get out of the car. China is a decent climate for EVs. But I'm sticking with my hybrid here in Canada due to temperature related challenges.
There are a few provinces that also regularly drop to below -20C in the winter. Just like Canada also have this Hawaii of an island called Vancouver Island that rarely drops below freezing for a long duration.
@@rickfeng4466 Yeah Vancouver is decent. But it's just a tiny slice of Canada. The vast majority of the population & geography is better suited for internal combustion engines and only a hybrid vehicle. As long as we are limited by lithium batteries, the range is gonna be lack-luster and heating the cabin is gonna zap the battery of precious charge. On the other hand, over half the population of China lives in that decent climate zone. Almost half the landmass of China is USDA zone 8 or higher.
@@pattrickmerete I'm not sure about H+ cars. The fact that there's no mass production hydrogen powered car seems to indicate that it's uneconomical. But it sure does seem intriguing that H2O comes out of the tailpipe🚗💦 I personally don't think humanity will ever fully make it past petrol powered cars.🛢 What I think is more likely to happen is that we can economically fix CO2 from the air and turn it into gasoline. Bill Gates is invested in a Vancouver based company that can compete with current gas prices. They figured out how to do what plants do. But instead of turning CO2 into carbohydrates, they turn it into hydrocarbons. That way all the gas station infrastructure doesn't have to be destroyed and we cut our petrol CO2 emissions by 80% Mix that with hybrid cars and we can virtually go on indefinitely with a high standard of mobility.
This would be a great idea if battery packs were plentiful, but they are often the limiting factor in producing more electric vehicles. Every battery pack sitting idle outside of a car would definitely be more valuable inside of a car that isn't capable of swapping. This could change in the future, but not anytime soon.
You don't need plentiful battery packs, because you can reuse and charge batteries and serve it to the next customer, so effectively you would have the same amount of batteries available, as like dedicated batteries in every EV, but now you just swap it for use on different cars.
You also saves $15,000 if you choose to rent the battery with the battery swapping instead of buying it. This drastically reduced the depreciation of EVs.
@@Brian-om2hh Are you kidding me? there are over 200 million vehicles in the US. If all of them are EV, and If everyone of them takes 20-30 minutes to charge ONE car. How many charging stations do you need? These charging stations needs just as much space as gas station and imagine now that every gasoline car takes 20 minutes to fill up their tank. How many gas stations are needed nation wide? I think a battery swap is the only way to go in the future, unless some new tech that can recharge as quick as the gasoline. Battery swap is doable and feasible.
In the original concept the battery swap mechanism travels underground, so no lifting is needed, also there are two trolleys - one takes the old battery and the other is already waiting to put the new battery in. The process is faster than fueling a ICE car. I have no idea why were the designers of this system smart enough to make this work, but dumb enough to leave it at such under cooked state. What you see here is a fail in comparison of what they could have demonstrated. I don't understand why people move in such small steps. I was kid when I saw the battery change concept. The person who drew it is probably dead by now. We had the technology to build that system back then. We have it now, and yet I might never see one working IRL while I am alive.
Yes. They are offering the cars without the battery as part of the upfront cost which makes it less expensive. Batteries is one of the major contributor to the high cost of electric cars and though it will last you for years (even decades), paying for it in one go is hard for the wallet.
@@gjsoriano1 Impossible in my case. Will literally never be able to afford one at present prices, and purchased second hand you have no idea how long the battery in the car will last before you have to pay thousands to replace it with a new one. This solution would solve all of those problems.
Tesla: _$30,000 for changing your old inefficient battery_ Nio: Hey yo, here change fully charged battery with us, anyway we also have a brand new 150kw upgrade batteries for next year, just pay it with the charging bill!
I love Nio, in fact I’ve invested in Nio since their IPO but if you look at used Chinese EV market, Tesla 3 and Y is still by far on the top in term of holding its value… but competitors are catching up tho
I think the batteries will be property of the swap station, and you only keep it on loan, so you dont actually own these batteries yourself, unless you buy one.
Need 2 partition of battery. When big partition 0%, small partition can move car to swap station. So we just change big partition. Small partition can charge in fastcharging station.
In UK electric cars are unbelievably high in price compared to fossil fuel driven motors. An issue which seriously needs addressing if people are to use these vehicles
Thank u for bringing up news besides Ukraine v Russia that fed me so much... We live peaceful in East, that's western medias hypes only. Thank u China for showing us the real world and future is, there always hopes in China
Requires a standardisation of batteries between brands. It is questionable if manufacturers. Also, you do not know the quality of the battery that is put in place of your original battery.
While this system was already considered by other manufacturers the main issue is that with prolonged use it is hard to keep the connectors waterproof and many users if they have a new vehicle might not be happy to swap their new battery with a substantially more used one that could have lost some range already. Also the storage facility storing many dozens of massive batteries if subject to fire has enough lithium in it to go off like a large bomb making it more dangerous than a gas station and most people would not want it near their homes. Also it only works for one brand and one type of batteries and requires full time employees to stand by as if there is something stuck in the mechanism (like gravel dropped by the previous car or under the car where the removal mechanism connects with the car (like some dry mud) than the worker has to clean that manually or unstuck it. So it's extremely specific and only viable in an area where a single electric car brand is extremely popular and needs to be quite far from other buildings for safety and requires at least 3 employees on 8h shift to operate 24/7. You would need a massive amount of cars willing to change batteries to make it economically viable in any country where workers are expensive.
I think Nio only sell vehicles to customers. You rent/loan the batteries. So u dont pay for the battery no matter how new its. Batteries belong to Nio.
You can actually buy a nio car without paying for the battery, making it cheaper for the consumer upfront. Instead, paying the subscription fee for the battery so you can swap for free for as many times as you want. That way, consumer dont need to worry about the battery degradation and enjoy longer range battery as technology develops in the future.
Nio and BYD have been doing this for a few years now. Ironically Tesla is meant to be bringing out something similar in 2025... This would truly make Tesla the Apple of cars if they still sell after copying this.
“Ironically Tesla is meant to be bringing out something similar to 2025” 1) That’s not what the word irony means 2) Tesla supported this with all original Model S vehicles and operated a swap station in California but it never took off. Investing in fast charging was deemed a better use if money. 3) All new Teslas are not built to support swapping batteries. Structural battery packs will further integrate the battery into the car making it an inseparable part off the vehicle.
@@nzer19 righhhttt.... SO aside from hurting your feelings by my incorrect use of a word (which in my country would actually enhance the point I made - Australians use it this way - maybe it's slang and i never knew?), what is your actual point to add to the conversation? Sorry I'm confused? Are you just telling me Telsa plans and failed things or trying to ADD a dimension or different perspective to the comments? Sorry I'm lost on what you are even trying to convey?🤷♂️ For example, 3. All new Teslas are not built for swapping batteries. Well this is common sense since they don't provide the option to battery swap over charging, but is there a point I'm missing? And 1. Telsa tried this but there was no demand So there's PLENTY of demand in China for it... So are you pointing out Telsa failed with theirs or just didn't think it was worth exploring in-depth? Again not sure how this adds to the conversation??
@@ronburgandy1475 LOL butthurt much? You made a single factual assertion in your comment and I wanted to point out it was false. Your use of the word irony was wrong but your assertion that tesla "is meant" to be bringing out "something similar in 2025" is completely false and, unless you can provide a reference proves otherwise, was completely made up. Tesla are integrating their batteries as structural elements of the car. Battery swap is absolutely not in their roadmap.
@@nzer19 ahhhh I get it now. You're a fanboy who prefers to try and talk down to others. Go look up my history of comments. If I'm wrong about something I'll always gladly admit it. But for you, I won't waste my time to fact check myself because you just come off as an arrogant self important numpty trying to get 2 little serotonin jolts off talking down to people... So here. I'll make it easy... Fact check me, and my "grammar" because I do care.... Seriously I care so much o just can't wait to hear back.... Waiting with baited breath on how I can improve myself from a random... Please hurry, you're my only hope 🙄
The frequency of replacement will depend on your mileage. EV Batteries usually last about 500 - 800 kms before needing to be changed. It doesn't matter if you get a second hand, you are going to swap it anyway.
NIO offers swapping as a monthly package. I just checked their China website. It's RMB 1480/month for swapping. But they deduct $128000 from the price tag.
I bet 90% of the times you'll get secondhand hand one. But, at least they could make the station monitor each battery health status and swap a healthier one for you. Damaged one could be kept at the station waiting to be swap with factory.
Yes. That’s the way to go. In future, all petrol stations should be modified to churn out battery replacement service in a few minutes. So there is no need to put in place thousands of charging points that also occupy lots when car sit idling while being charged for hours.
I asked tesla in 2018 for something like this. A station you drive through and it swaps out your battery. People replied that it's not feasible and that people may use it to swap faulty battery units etc
Why do cars have to back in? Why not let cars pull right into the station and when done, pull straight out? No need to back up at all. Faster that way.
*not going to work when everyone start showing up to swap battery like filling gas. Those battery gonna run dry real quick not unless if the other car battery is being swap with that other car and rinse and repeat for some kind of scam.*
It's just like a electric fork lift truck but underneath. It be wiser to have maybe other options also every few years you can change a battery at a lower cost. But drive threw station seems excellent idea. But I know battery efficiency doesn't last forever.
Induction charging may be an alternative. We could have stretches of highway that have charging while you drive. Wind mills beside the road could help provide current to the system. The downside is the safety to road maintenance workers, vehicle accidents in the charging area, the cost of installation, and standardization of the system. Germany is testing buses with charging pads.
Battery swapping is essential/critical for the future of EV! This technology is necessary in order to eliminate range anxiety, battery degradation and battery upgrade ability. This will also help owner retain vehicles resale value over the long run by having the advantage to just replace the battery at will. I wouldn’t buy an EV car without this option, it will save a lot of money over the long run.
We have something similar in Indonesia but for scooters. The stations are located in front of convenient stores, so just as regular gas station you can also buy snacks while changing your battery. This concept should be more widespread as it's much faster and convenient than chargers like Tesla. Most people doesn't have the luxury to wait 30+ mins outside everyday just to charge their cars/scooters.
NIO NEEDS to come up with two sided storage / charge units, left and right, with the bay in the middle, much like we do on press lines with bolster cars. Die in / out from either side of the press thus reducing die change time by half. Same could be done with battery swap. This could reduce swapping time to about 2 minutes plus double the capacity of batteries available at each unit. It does make the unit larger but in areas where space is available, and more companies coming on board to use, it'd be a boon to using swap stations.
This should be the way forward. Somebody needs to step in to standardise battery connector points. Then we can have the option to choose between range during each battery charge like how we get to choose between different RON 95/97/100 for ICE petrol. Then a regulation will have to be imposed to regulate these reusable batteries to make sure the providers keep them well maintained and refurbished on time like how we have regulations for fuel companies… Once that’s set in place, EV will sky rocket!!!
"Takes off"?? NIO has had battery swap for years, but that's not the same as "takes off". I wish the video had explained how many NIO owners actually have signed up for the service. It's something you can choose sign up for when you buy the car.
This is a great idea. If there was a solar farm next door to make the power. No carbon dioxide at all. On a motorway the land each side of the road would be utilised to make the power. This shows the way, this should have been presented at the COP meeting in Scotland, maybe it was?
Exactly, also in a future, with this system, you will be able to make different batteries for different use cases, like cold/hot climate batteries, large capacity batteries for travel and small capacity for daily city commutes and so on, eliminating a ton of trade-offs, universal batteries has to take, which decrease their lifespan.
In fact, NIO's reputation in China has surpassed that of Tesla, and NIO has done better in both marketing strategy and after-sales service.
Elon is a scam artist
@@LebronCCP he is very smart, he invented the first ever Las Vegas underground traffic jam.
@@jinoz8560 Yaik. LOL.
Did guys see the latest Elon scam?
on twitter he claimed that his starlink satellites is over Ukraine providng internet for everyone
YET, he never mentioned that you need a $500 satellite dish to link up to the Starlink satellite
NATO is even having trouble delivering weapons, yet Musk expects Amazon to ship a $500 satellite dish in a middle of a warzone
@@LebronCCP Typical jealous guy that hates people for their accomplishments.
Finally someone with the right mind to implement this into cars. Remember seeing this concept for electric scooters in Taiwan. A lot more convenient for delivery drivers who have a higher mileage than other users.
That "concept" for electric delivery scooters already exists across China, it costs about 300 RMB per month with unlimited 24/7 battery swaping service.
Renault had a pilot program along with a Israeli company called Better Place of I recall around 2010. Stations would swap the battery of the Renault Fluence The company lasted some 5 years before they folded for some mismanagement and high development cost.
Was something last year that Renault would revisit the concept but not much else is known.
@@niubilities either way, it was about time someone implemented it in actual cars for quicker "recharging" in a sense
scooter is make sense but not for car. i cannot guarantee that it is sealed from water. especially it is placed under the car and covered with dirt. hard to make sure it is sealed. indonesia often flood
@@TejaSanjaya maybe they could implement a seal ring around the battery and over current protection built into battery pack, if not already.
I think battery chargers should still exist, but in our houses. It's pretty convenient being able to recharge or "refuel" your EV at home as you don't really need to go to a battery swap station all the time. Battery swap stations can simply replace the battery chargers OUTSIDE our homes.
I think it's just a time saver option.
in China most people don't live individual houses, Apartment complex have limited parking spots and not everywhere can have a fast charger installed
As EV becomes the norm, imagine how many fast chargers that would be, all the cables and malfunctions, the maintenance alone would be nightmarish
Battery swap can simplify that into a structure no larger that 2 containers.
@@obsidianstatue That's why I said that battery swap stations should replace the battery chargers outside houses. As for apartments, yeah it's better to place a battery swap station near them so you don't have to drive for kilometers to find one
@@caesarforlife1663 Well, I could agree that it would save more time but not your bank account as replacing a battery can cost 10x than charging your electric vehicle. If you dont want to waste time you don't have to switch to an ev.
Battery charging can be place on parking lot at mall or supermarket so when people do their stuff and return the batteries already fully charge
As long as the connectors and shape of battery is standardized for all ev cars. Otherwise we would end up like with the phone chargers, all different ports/connectors.
I'm also skeptical how sustainable this is with Li-Ion batteries. To have enough batteries to keep in rotation for all the cars on the road... Do we even have that much lithium?
@@mikicerise6250 could use lead batteries maybe? But don't take my word, am no mechanic or designer.
@@mikicerise6250 maybe this will make it easier to recycle batteries. I know that less than the whole battery will be thrown away when Nio can help it.
If they can make it work it's a potential game changer for EV. They can use slow charge to prolong battery life and you still get in and out of recharge stations fast. If it's like this, even vehicles with only 200 or 300 km autonomy can become attractive. 👍
@@mikicerise6250 they recharge the battery inside the changing stations
That's a brilliant solution. I hope Nio can scale the operation up to a global level.
Nio themselves aren't even global
US will nvr let tht happen.
@@alx9099 Exactly. US will never allow it to enter it's territory.
@@alx9099 - who cares! BRI market is many time bigger.
Really brilliant solution that the startup Better Place had in 2007.
Did my paper on battery swapping. Battery swapping is the best choice since it doesn’t require a large infrastructure. Can simply charge batteries and hold underground without building out a vast super charging network which also would take up a lot of real estate. Also, NIO doesn’t charge you the upfront costs of a battery making it more affordable for consumers.
Because consumers want to replace their brand new battery they just bought with some unknown old one with lesser lifespan and scuffed up chassis?
@@sly9263 then have the option to sell EV's with no battery, plus an add-on service that will provide batteries on the go, available at the dealership. I'd rather my car be charged instantly. Plus I'm fairly certain these companies have tolerances for battery life before putting them in cars on the road.
@@pkal244 I don't see any measurement process going on here and the liability of damaged batteries being swapped out is high. You need human eyes on a per transaction basis. This is cool on paper, not in practice
@@sly9263 both our arguments are just conjecture until we see how this plays out in China. I mean, I would rather have a battery that I wouldn't have to switch out, but it would have to charge instantly and last for 600 miles. Technology will get there at some point but until then I think there's a market for battery switching.
@@pkal244 agreed. I'd own an EV now if they werent changing and depreciating so rapidly
A 3 minute battery swap is even faster than filling a petrol or diesel fuel tank. It also has the potential to eliminate the battery degradation problem for EV’s. Why not a future where you can choose between a 3 minute swap and a fast charge or an overnight charge at different price points? Different people will have different needs so let the market choose what is best for them.
the whole point of recharging battery is to save the environment. if we keep replacing battery then gas is a better way as its already proven the materials use to create ev battery is bad enough for the enviroment
@@zedmaster2178 I understood this process to be take the batteries out of the car and replace them with fully charged batteries. The batteries that were removed are then charged up and given to a customer later on. No extra wastage.
@@zedmaster2178 You beautifully missed some of the benefits of this battery swapping station. Watch the video again and think of the benefits of such a system.
@@zedmaster2178 reusing batteries and replacing batteries is far more environment friendly than having dedicated batteries for each car.
@darkrulierexactly... Its like refillable gas cylinders
China 🇨🇳 has advanced so quickly in the last 40 years. Politics aside, you have to give credit to Chinese government for better quality of life given to citizens.
because they care about their people by not shouting democracy which western countries also can't apply
@@wilsonhalim377 Every country and culture is different. Democracy does work for some countries, especially the Scandinavian and Swiss countries.
they advanced so fast because no one has a word to say, any right to say anything that would go against the politics choosen and so on
so in my book that's cheating, efficient but cheating
and it sureley doesnt deserve any credit when you know what it come with ;) be careful what you wish for
Better life? We've plenty of low wages Chinese trying as hard as they can to avoid returning to China for as long as they can!
The West : Busy Fighting
CHN: Busy Building
Great for repairability! Just great care needs to be taken with Lithium Ion cells, they are very dangerous if treated carelessly.
A DOZEN TIMES LESS DANGEROUS THAN GASOLINE BY EVERY MEASURE
@@paulhailey2537 indeed yes, and even more dangerous: Avgas (aviation fuel). Just a word of warning since L-ion cells are not only in our cars.. Remember the Samsung Galaxy Note 7?
It’s safe! Life technology has been proven safe.
You're both right, I just watch too many extremely jank battery welding videos from LTT
Tesla: USD 30k for changing your old inefficient battery.
Nio: here change fully charged battery with us, and just pay for charging cost.
+1000000 social credit
@@akbaraulya5330 lol sad
@@akbaraulya5330 Don't know that changing battery gives someone free social credits. Lol
@@spider6660 just a sad kid that want attention
@@akbaraulya5330 visible confusion
Making the battery easy to remove also makes it easy to upgrade the battery in the future. As battery technology improves you can upgrade to a battery with more capacity, or maybe a battery with the same capacity but is lighter.
And most importantly easy to recycle, which is an important part of being environmentally friendly
Exactly, NIO actually offers that service through Battery As A Service model, meaning customers can purchase to own the car itself (chassis, powertrain) and lease the battery from NIO. As the batteries are consumables and owned by NIO, customers can choose the capacity to lease and get replaced with a fully charged one at a swaping station. Once a battery capacity gets below certain threshold, NIO claims it'll be decommissioned from swaping stations to be used in energy storage facilities or their mobile charging unit recycle. Customers won't have to deal with the depreciation of having an old battery in their car, and can also choose to upgrade from 70 kWh, 85kWh to 100kWh or higher once it becomes available.
@@Superminuter battery lease is a scam. It means that you have to pay forever.
@@whynotstartusingyourbrain8726 How is that a scam?
@@Superminuter because you don't have to pay for gas forever /s
I always amazed how China look what other big companies did (Tesla producing EV), and they try to do the same with bunch of mind-blowing innovations. That's why their economy is growing like crazy.
If they had these stations like gas stations then the EV will rule.
Yes, they are working on it. Nio has partnership with Sinopec and Shell, and has already been building swap stations at existing gas stations.
Gas is quicker.
Europe: *Going to war*
meanwhile in China: ELECTRCITY!
0:40 If you see carefully the car reversed and parked on the gradient all by itself....
Thats amazing
There's a person in there wearing yellow...........
@@secretsinthedark5704 That person actually doesn't do it, the car is programmed to do it themselves unless it is rush hour or a certain stations that are in really awkward location
YES, this is Generation II swapping station, cars drive itself into the station.
I knew this would happen 5 years ago. It had to. I thought motor racing where they battery swapped in the pits in seconds. Here we are. This is so cool
It’s cool till you have a line of people waiting
This takes about same time to fill up at gas stations.... better than waiting around to charge your EV battery...
It's faster than standard charging.
that's compromise to eco-protection
Best thing about swapping is you can get bigger battery when it comes available. Currently the biggest battery NIO offer is 100kwh. But 150kwh will be coming out soon.
They could sell the car with small batteries for lower price. People will have an option to upgrade their battery capacity when they need to travel long distance for example. Pay the sum, and swap back to small capacity with less price for short daily usage.
According to NIO website, car is RMB120 grand cheaper if leasing/swapping the battery
Tesla: $30,000 for changing your old inefficient battery
Nio: Hey yo, here change fully charged battery with us, anyway we also have a brand new 150kwh upgrade batteries, you just pay it with the charging bill!
they should make it like automatic car wash
They already had it a long time ago. However, that doesn't help if the owner doesn't want to wash his/her car.
Yes why do they need to back up the car when you can drive through it
@@wes8787 I suspect they want to save money on land acquisition
Great idea that would be so useful, but I’m worried about debris puncturing the battery and how reliably the battery is secured to the vehicle
Bolt in Bolt out. If a machine is bolting it in, I'm sure there is a torque spec the machine follows. If there is an issue in the future about debris, I'm sure they really only need to put a cover. It would be strange if there was no cover now tbh.
Nio has a cluster of patents for this issue. Special bolts and stuff.
Tesla has this feature built into the Model S more than 5 years ago and even had a battery swapping station in central California. But they closed the station a couple years back for whatever reason. Hopefully it'll work out in China.
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@@hyeung1 tesla just looks at profits thats why swapping isnt a thing for them cause it was less profitable when they testet it.
This can be a game changer for the ev market
This should have been the obvious answer to EVs but car makers and the rest of the world seem to have missed this opportunity
I think it also comes with government regulations. Without clear guidelines, businesses hesitate to invest for such technologies. Also, most companies would like a closed circuit product like what Apple does to have full control of the after sales. Governments should standardize the charging ports, wattage, and pricing so that more players can come in.
It’s not an easy thing to get established. It’s more expensive than charging so most people would avoid it at first. Nio is giving these swaps out for free.
Tesla has already said it would not be doing battery swaps. I wonder if they stick to that.
This is an essential service for EV taxis.
because their products are very flimsy cheap quality at very unreasonable prices
@@wilsonhalim377 your very uneducated and probably flip burgers. The make just one of those battery station cost millions of dollars.
It's *economically unable to keep up, cost too much in US. Tesla losses $ in US through their bad build quality*
Plus maintenance of the station up keep is not workable in US, high labour cost, unethical behaviour (too many)
US made is bad quality. Tesla US suffer quality issues for decade+ and still quality is Not stable.
Tesla US lost a lot to repair the sold vehicles...
Whereas *China Tesla make profits, high quality cars and export acceptable to EU standards*
Maintenance and up keep of high-tech charging stations is affordable in China, efficiency is high, quality & high ethic of workers
US has just too much issues with up keep of anything, eg charging stations plus US social stability is not there.
People will damage, theft, graffiti... Sadly the place & people generally has become very low quality & nasty
@@RicePho Tesla cars do indeed have poor build quality.
that's because US governmnet focus on Wars, and lacking of develpment of their infrastructures. batteray swap station will cost way much more in US than in China!!! Tesla won't be able to make money with those stations.
I had this ideia, and in Europe Renault had the ideia too, but it was if other EV’s brands also adopted and all of them cooperated and standardized battery pack’s, but they do not came in agreement and the ideia never came out of paper. My great respect and admiration for Nio…
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Wow ... What a great move. Very nice
Thank-you! I've been saying this for years!
Have a battery swap program that everyone pools into. EVs can be quicker than filling gas if it is mechanized.
I envisioned it being outdoors, but indoors is safer. It looks like an automated car-wash. You don't even have to get out of the car.
China is a decent climate for EVs. But I'm sticking with my hybrid here in Canada due to temperature related challenges.
There are a few provinces that also regularly drop to below -20C in the winter. Just like Canada also have this Hawaii of an island called Vancouver Island that rarely drops below freezing for a long duration.
@@rickfeng4466 Yeah Vancouver is decent. But it's just a tiny slice of Canada. The vast majority of the population & geography is better suited for internal combustion engines and only a hybrid vehicle. As long as we are limited by lithium batteries, the range is gonna be lack-luster and heating the cabin is gonna zap the battery of precious charge.
On the other hand, over half the population of China lives in that decent climate zone. Almost half the landmass of China is USDA zone 8 or higher.
@@TreDogOfficial how about hydrogen cars? Are they less efficient in cold weather as well?
@@pattrickmerete I'm not sure about H+ cars. The fact that there's no mass production hydrogen powered car seems to indicate that it's uneconomical. But it sure does seem intriguing that H2O comes out of the tailpipe🚗💦
I personally don't think humanity will ever fully make it past petrol powered cars.🛢
What I think is more likely to happen is that we can economically fix CO2 from the air and turn it into gasoline.
Bill Gates is invested in a Vancouver based company that can compete with current gas prices. They figured out how to do what plants do. But instead of turning CO2 into carbohydrates, they turn it into hydrocarbons.
That way all the gas station infrastructure doesn't have to be destroyed and we cut our petrol CO2 emissions by 80%
Mix that with hybrid cars and we can virtually go on indefinitely with a high standard of mobility.
This would be a great idea if battery packs were plentiful, but they are often the limiting factor in producing more electric vehicles. Every battery pack sitting idle outside of a car would definitely be more valuable inside of a car that isn't capable of swapping. This could change in the future, but not anytime soon.
You don't need plentiful battery packs, because you can reuse and charge batteries and serve it to the next customer, so effectively you would have the same amount of batteries available, as like dedicated batteries in every EV, but now you just swap it for use on different cars.
That's pretty impressive ngl it's 10x quicker and I guess cheaper than using oil to fuel cars
Go NIO!!!
It's nice to see china progressing in technology
Regards from 🇮🇳
Hoping for peace between both nations 👍
@@SunriseLAW between the people yes but between country it's not so smooth
Compared to China, India is still in the bullock cart age.
You also saves $15,000 if you choose to rent the battery with the battery swapping instead of buying it. This drastically reduced the depreciation of EVs.
Very nice to see this getting implemented. Meanwhile in the US, people are fighting over ICE parking at charging station because some EV hate.
That's because you don't have enough chargers. Install a further 500,000 chargers nationwide, and nobody will be fighting anymore.
@@Brian-om2hh Are you kidding me? there are over 200 million vehicles in the US. If all of them are EV, and If everyone of them takes 20-30 minutes to charge ONE car. How many charging stations do you need? These charging stations needs just as much space as gas station and imagine now that every gasoline car takes 20 minutes to fill up their tank. How many gas stations are needed nation wide? I think a battery swap is the only way to go in the future, unless some new tech that can recharge as quick as the gasoline. Battery swap is doable and feasible.
what is ice parking??
Nio listing on Hong Kong exchange March 10th. Also applied for Singapore exchange. Only existing shares can be bought
They've been listed on Nasdaq since 2018.
In the original concept the battery swap mechanism travels underground, so no lifting is needed, also there are two trolleys - one takes the old battery and the other is already waiting to put the new battery in. The process is faster than fueling a ICE car. I have no idea why were the designers of this system smart enough to make this work, but dumb enough to leave it at such under cooked state. What you see here is a fail in comparison of what they could have demonstrated. I don't understand why people move in such small steps. I was kid when I saw the battery change concept. The person who drew it is probably dead by now. We had the technology to build that system back then. We have it now, and yet I might never see one working IRL while I am alive.
Also what NIO offering that really make sense to me is their BAAS offering. somekind (but not just,) of battery renting.
Yes. They are offering the cars without the battery as part of the upfront cost which makes it less expensive. Batteries is one of the major contributor to the high cost of electric cars and though it will last you for years (even decades), paying for it in one go is hard for the wallet.
@@gjsoriano1 Impossible in my case. Will literally never be able to afford one at present prices, and purchased second hand you have no idea how long the battery in the car will last before you have to pay thousands to replace it with a new one. This solution would solve all of those problems.
Tesla: _$30,000 for changing your old inefficient battery_
Nio: Hey yo, here change fully charged battery with us, anyway we also have a brand new 150kw upgrade batteries for next year, just pay it with the charging bill!
China is already years ahead of USA in technology department.
I love Nio, in fact I’ve invested in Nio since their IPO but if you look at used Chinese EV market, Tesla 3 and Y is still by far on the top in term of holding its value… but competitors are catching up tho
What I'd their ticker symbol in Chinese stock market ?
oh yes! this is what EV fundamentally need. as battery will degrade over time
Keeping spare batteries in the swap station can be costly. Also if one battery caught fire then the rest ......
I think the batteries will be property of the swap station, and you only keep it on loan, so you dont actually own these batteries yourself, unless you buy one.
@@kashe747 Yes, I meant it can be costly to the station. It's not a very feasible business model
Need 2 partition of battery. When big partition 0%, small partition can move car to swap station. So we just change big partition. Small partition can charge in fastcharging station.
This is genius
- Elon musk
The Chinese are smart. 👍
In UK electric cars are unbelievably high in price compared to fossil fuel driven motors. An issue which seriously needs addressing if people are to use these vehicles
Take that Tesla...
Thank u for bringing up news besides Ukraine v Russia that fed me so much... We live peaceful in East, that's western medias hypes only. Thank u China for showing us the real world and future is, there always hopes in China
Requires a standardisation of batteries between brands. It is questionable if manufacturers. Also, you do not know the quality of the battery that is put in place of your original battery.
when you want to buy used electric car you have concern about it's battery status, this solution will keep used car better value
While this system was already considered by other manufacturers the main issue is that with prolonged use it is hard to keep the connectors waterproof and many users if they have a new vehicle might not be happy to swap their new battery with a substantially more used one that could have lost some range already. Also the storage facility storing many dozens of massive batteries if subject to fire has enough lithium in it to go off like a large bomb making it more dangerous than a gas station and most people would not want it near their homes. Also it only works for one brand and one type of batteries and requires full time employees to stand by as if there is something stuck in the mechanism (like gravel dropped by the previous car or under the car where the removal mechanism connects with the car (like some dry mud) than the worker has to clean that manually or unstuck it. So it's extremely specific and only viable in an area where a single electric car brand is extremely popular and needs to be quite far from other buildings for safety and requires at least 3 employees on 8h shift to operate 24/7. You would need a massive amount of cars willing to change batteries to make it economically viable in any country where workers are expensive.
I think Nio only sell vehicles to customers. You rent/loan the batteries. So u dont pay for the battery no matter how new its. Batteries belong to Nio.
NIO is a huge winner in the EV space. Looking forward to the HK Listing on 03/10
I had this idea years ago along with many people but was wondering who would do it first. I want to see this evolve.
The startup Better Place in 2007.
It's much better than charging for hours.
Nio the best technology
Forklifts in factories have been swapping batteries for a century.
Nio
What about water proofing?
What happens to the old batteries? Do they get fully charged and get put in another car?
yes
Well i guess the old batterry can be cleaned and maintained and recharge it by using solar power since China is a solar power country
And they're going to install solar panels on top of the swap stations
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it was amazing, adapt swap battery in motorcycle, this more faster than fascharging 80% at 30mnt
Yes, Battery Swap is the start for EV Revolution !!
This #electriccar is greener than a #conventional one.
You can actually buy a nio car without paying for the battery, making it cheaper for the consumer upfront. Instead, paying the subscription fee for the battery so you can swap for free for as many times as you want. That way, consumer dont need to worry about the battery degradation and enjoy longer range battery as technology develops in the future.
Nio and BYD have been doing this for a few years now.
Ironically Tesla is meant to be bringing out something similar in 2025...
This would truly make Tesla the Apple of cars if they still sell after copying this.
“Ironically Tesla is meant to be bringing out something similar to 2025”
1) That’s not what the word irony means
2) Tesla supported this with all original Model S vehicles and operated a swap station in California but it never took off. Investing in fast charging was deemed a better use if money.
3) All new Teslas are not built to support swapping batteries. Structural battery packs will further integrate the battery into the car making it an inseparable part off the vehicle.
@@nzer19 righhhttt....
SO aside from hurting your feelings by my incorrect use of a word (which in my country would actually enhance the point I made - Australians use it this way - maybe it's slang and i never knew?), what is your actual point to add to the conversation?
Sorry I'm confused? Are you just telling me Telsa plans and failed things or trying to ADD a dimension or different perspective to the comments?
Sorry I'm lost on what you are even trying to convey?🤷♂️
For example,
3. All new Teslas are not built for swapping batteries.
Well this is common sense since they don't provide the option to battery swap over charging, but is there a point I'm missing?
And 1. Telsa tried this but there was no demand
So there's PLENTY of demand in China for it... So are you pointing out Telsa failed with theirs or just didn't think it was worth exploring in-depth? Again not sure how this adds to the conversation??
@@ronburgandy1475 LOL butthurt much?
You made a single factual assertion in your comment and I wanted to point out it was false. Your use of the word irony was wrong but your assertion that tesla "is meant" to be bringing out "something similar in 2025" is completely false and, unless you can provide a reference proves otherwise, was completely made up. Tesla are integrating their batteries as structural elements of the car. Battery swap is absolutely not in their roadmap.
@@nzer19 ahhhh I get it now.
You're a fanboy who prefers to try and talk down to others.
Go look up my history of comments. If I'm wrong about something I'll always gladly admit it.
But for you, I won't waste my time to fact check myself because you just come off as an arrogant self important numpty trying to get 2 little serotonin jolts off talking down to people...
So here. I'll make it easy...
Fact check me, and my "grammar" because I do care....
Seriously I care so much o just can't wait to hear back....
Waiting with baited breath on how I can improve myself from a random...
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A startup called Better Place in 2007 did it.
We need something like this in Indonesia
Makes me wonder how often you'd go to the shop for a new battery and how do you know you ain't getting a second hand one
The frequency of replacement will depend on your mileage. EV Batteries usually last about 500 - 800 kms before needing to be changed.
It doesn't matter if you get a second hand, you are going to swap it anyway.
Your car showed the mileage it capable, doesn't matter if it's secondhand the performance you can really tell how
NIO offers swapping as a monthly package.
I just checked their China website. It's RMB 1480/month for swapping. But they deduct $128000 from the price tag.
I bet 90% of the times you'll get secondhand hand one. But, at least they could make the station monitor each battery health status and swap a healthier one for you. Damaged one could be kept at the station waiting to be swap with factory.
This is where quality assurance would come in, if the battery doesn’t meet a level of service it would likely be removed from the inventory
Wish electric cars were more affordable also but this is great 👍🏼
They probably will somewhere in the future.
@@norbert099 🙏🏼👍🏼
maybe easier if you can drive from the front , instead backing off
Yes. That’s the way to go. In future, all petrol stations should be modified to churn out battery replacement service in a few minutes. So there is no need to put in place thousands of charging points that also occupy lots when car sit idling while being charged for hours.
I asked tesla in 2018 for something like this. A station you drive through and it swaps out your battery. People replied that it's not feasible and that people may use it to swap faulty battery units etc
Why is it not a drive-thru though?
Yes this is the one we need. ..if we can cha charge this battery at would be super useful ..
Why do cars have to back in?
Why not let cars pull right into the station and when done, pull straight out? No need to back up at all.
Faster that way.
What are down times when something breaks?
So people don't get a battery when purchasing their vehicle? How does payment work and reliability of these batteries?
I remember Tesla showing off this tech with the Model S, only to realize they can just charge you an arm and a leg for a whole new car instead.
Now you need a few hundred million and not just one....
*not going to work when everyone start showing up to swap battery like filling gas. Those battery gonna run dry real quick not unless if the other car battery is being swap with that other car and rinse and repeat for some kind of scam.*
This is absolutely genius
It's just like a electric fork lift truck but underneath. It be wiser to have maybe other options also every few years you can change a battery at a lower cost. But drive threw station seems excellent idea. But I know battery efficiency doesn't last forever.
what happend when electic car run out of battery at long 4 hour travel sudden stop at middel of highway or woods ?
America cannot beat that👏👏👏👏
10 yrs ago Renault used this system in europe but couldn't get it to work, let's hope China is more successful.
This is great way to explore the uses of electric car transportation.
i mean its nice but do u swap ur phone battery when it gets low?
Induction charging may be an alternative. We could have stretches of highway that have charging while you drive. Wind mills beside the road could help provide current to the system. The downside is the safety to road maintenance workers, vehicle accidents in the charging area, the cost of installation, and standardization of the system. Germany is testing buses with charging pads.
can you imagine the costs? xD
Battery swapping is essential/critical for the future of EV! This technology is necessary in order to eliminate range anxiety, battery degradation and battery upgrade ability. This will also help owner retain vehicles resale value over the long run by having the advantage to just replace the battery at will. I wouldn’t buy an EV car without this option, it will save a lot of money over the long run.
Been doing this with forklifts for about 30years.
We have something similar in Indonesia but for scooters. The stations are located in front of convenient stores, so just as regular gas station you can also buy snacks while changing your battery. This concept should be more widespread as it's much faster and convenient than chargers like Tesla. Most people doesn't have the luxury to wait 30+ mins outside everyday just to charge their cars/scooters.
How much does it cost?
swap? how can you make sure the battry is sealed? how if you get trough flood?
NIO NEEDS to come up with two sided storage / charge units, left and right, with the bay in the middle, much like we do on press lines with bolster cars. Die in / out from either side of the press thus reducing die change time by half. Same could be done with battery swap. This could reduce swapping time to about 2 minutes plus double the capacity of batteries available at each unit. It does make the unit larger but in areas where space is available, and more companies coming on board to use, it'd be a boon to using swap stations.
Wow... Next I reckon would be the wireless charging car parks
This should be the way forward. Somebody needs to step in to standardise battery connector points. Then we can have the option to choose between range during each battery charge like how we get to choose between different RON 95/97/100 for ICE petrol.
Then a regulation will have to be imposed to regulate these reusable batteries to make sure the providers keep them well maintained and refurbished on time like how we have regulations for fuel companies…
Once that’s set in place, EV will sky rocket!!!
Western media: NIO copied our battery replacement technology in TV remotes
Renault was trying the same with the Zoë's, didn't work in European market. Hope it works.
No thank you. I prefer to wait in line for a fast charger in Bakersfield on my way from San Francisco to Las Vegas or Bakersfield!
"Takes off"?? NIO has had battery swap for years, but that's not the same as "takes off". I wish the video had explained how many NIO owners actually have signed up for the service. It's something you can choose sign up for when you buy the car.
This is a great idea. If there was a solar farm next door to make the power. No carbon dioxide at all. On a motorway the land each side of the road would be utilised to make the power. This shows the way, this should have been presented at the COP meeting in Scotland, maybe it was?
Exactly, also in a future, with this system, you will be able to make different batteries for different use cases, like cold/hot climate batteries, large capacity batteries for travel and small capacity for daily city commutes and so on, eliminating a ton of trade-offs, universal batteries has to take, which decrease their lifespan.