I believe that the temperature of the universe has a huge part to play in gravity and how electromagnetic waves conduct themselves. Watch the video in the link below, that metals superconducting temp is 92 Kelvin and the universe is 2.73 Kelvin imagine the superconducting properties of the ozone being cooled to 2.73 Kelvin that's probs why we don't get alot of radiation from the sun and why certain WIMP particles will never be found passing through our planet! Id like to ask Neil about this ruclips.net/video/JIjzJKnpahA/видео.html
Joe's hair follicles are more sensitive to the effects of gravity, it pulls the hair towards earth, thus preventing it from growing upwards out of his head...
Yes but not in a phylosophical way, science asks why to the unexplained facts presented by physics, why can we usually see a spectrum of seven colors? Why can we see colors? Why did this apple fall on my head? And to those common sense facts we get explanations, because the material has properties that absorb part of the white light it gets, but not all, because the reflection of the light in the objects can reach our eyes and so we see it (I haven't studied science in a while, so sorry if this explanation is a little blurry), because there was a force called gravity that was acting on the apple, those why's are scientific why's, but if you ask, why are there colors, why is there gravity, that is more of a job for phylosophy, and you will end up asking why is there life, and will know nothing It's just the way things are, that's what I usually go with
he answered question 3 times , from the first one it was obvious what he was talking about , yet you expected him to say what? that he doesn't know answer on question no one can , at least now .
@Al Garnier Neil was condescending in many parts. Neil might have been genuinely trying to help, but that just means he's a genuine asshole. Just because "Why" isnt obtainable through science, dosen't mean its not something you can't ask a scientist... he didnt have to answer as a scientist... and then he went on to make the worst point he could, which is "good enough" science. We understand it good enough and the things we don't know aren't important... i hope i dont need to explain why its bad for a scientist to say that
@@warpath8453 you don't understand what neil was saying... neil is saying there is an Infinite philisplophical never ending ever receding asking of "Why" like a child you can keep asking why til the end of the universe. It matter what "Why" you are satified with... Purpose is spiritual or theological which has NOTHING to do with science. You find meaning on your own, but in the mean time we will keep discovering HOW things happen in our universe. He is NOT saying to stop dicovery... he is saying we can eventually discover the true reason WHY life exists... and you will still have people... asking why.... there has to be a point of satisfaction with why so you can move on and KEEP DISCOVERING
@@warpath8453 who said you cant obtain why from science? The fuck? Science answers why all the time. But science cant stop people from asking why again.
Its hard to watch somebody i held in such high regard act like a that. Its like he took something before hand that ended up effectinf his mood hes normally arrogant, but not rude like that
He answered the question though, by saying that Gravity is the curvature of space and time. He said "I don't know" when he got asked "why is gravity the curvature of space and time?" Which is basically the same as being asked "why is gravity gravity?". The first question was "what really is gravity?". And Neil answered. And then he basically got asked "why is reality this way and not another way?". I think the confusion derived from the fact that the concept of gravity is hard to understand: it is a curvature sure, the same as a ramp at a skateboard park, but you cannot perceive it. You can't see it. Cuz it's in 4D, per say. But just because you can't picture it in your head, doesn't mean you don't know what it is. Neil knows cause it's his field, many people didn't really understand it I think.
@@TrevorAndSky Neil did not give a sufficient answer for Joe and for many people. It was very frustrating to view this clip as Neil continuously talked about the fact that we know 'enough' about gravity to get us to land on Mars for example. Neil did not explain what is the accepted theory in physics at the moment about how particles get their mass to create the curvature of space time. He just rambled about how what we know is enough and that is not an acceptable answer for a physicist. Neil showed his bad side with this podcast.
Actually he said it at the top of when he started talking he said "we don't know why gravity works we know we are limited to it's properties." It's better to keep asking how questions than why questions
WHY is the force that causes intelligent people to question things! Why do the planets do this instead of that is what caused Copernicus and Kepler to question the motion of the planets.
I liked this one more. 5:44 . It was hilarious to see Neil's face. Genuinely not knowing the answer and then deferring to Einstein's definition which is not even a definition but a description of a framework.
I think Neil was getting somewhat agitated because he kept trying to explain that at some point the "why" question is irrelevant. But I'm not sure why Neil feels that way. Who knows what could come out of an even deeper understanding of why/how gravity bends spacetime. Especially if we somehow figure out how to reverse it counteract it. This could be huge for future space travel, no? Wasn't that the whole plot to Interstellar?
@@Wizznilliam yes, some scientists still question the validity of gravity, it doesnt make sense completely in some pieces. What Neil did here is he is closing the conversation on the theory of gravity, if I recall correctly, this is not how the scientific method works. Infact this is very detrimental to it. This is similar to the God argument religious people use. Its a real shame. I also think Joe made a brilliant counter argument agains neils analogy between hair follicles and gravity, which simply was "we know a lot more about hair follicles than we know gravity" (thus its ok to dig deeper and ask more questions).
Based on tone of voice Joe seemed way more agitated than DeGrasse and I don't particularly care for him normally, but in this convo Joe irked me. DeGrasse was right in that we understand gravity to a fine enough degree to land interplanetary shit. People still by and large go bald if their genes say so ..which thing is manipulated to a greater degree by humanity then?
This is a scary question to the physicist community as it exposes their lack of basic understanding and shows they rely massively on Einsteins laws but have no idea why hehe.. oh well that's mainstream for ya
Tyson is just frustrated by religious dogma. He's had enough of it. Religious people are claiming to have made the greatest scientific discovery of all time, that there is a God and what the properties and characteristics of this God are. Such a discovery would be the greatest scientific discovery of all time. The problem with the religious people is that they are making this claim without sufficient evidence to support it.
When will people comprehend that entire science is just a human's honest response to their own incompetence to fully comprehend the true nature of Nature?
The interview in few words. Joe: What is gravity? Niel: A curve in space and time. Joe: Why? Niel: You are bald. Joe: I remind you that I go to the gym regularly. Well, that escalated quickly
Neil was way more interested in letting Joe know that he's intelligent than anything Joe was trying to have a conversation about lol then when Neil got called out, it was a slippery slope of him being defensive as hell the rest of the way lol
Lmao! Dude, Joe was over it. He kept interrupting Joe, so I image Joe just bowed out. Like, "dude, why are you preaching right now? I'm TRYING to have a conversation."
My dad's a physicist. He always says: "how" is for scientists, "why" is for philosophers. Maybe I'm just used to it, but... it sounds about right to me.
Alex San Lyra nope science answers both once both can be answered and philosophers do nothing except push the scientist to answer both of these questions furthers
Alex San Lyra a biologist with a disdain for people who have to answer everything with a story about how it had to be created. Also I was just being tongue in cheek.
Yes, Spooky Action at a Distance was an Einsteinian quote but the concept of action at a distance was a very big and defining limit to Newtons descriptions of Gravity. Newton didn't have the concept of "space-time" being a fabric, he thought of space as a vacuum only, so he wrestled with and failed to answer a mechanism for gravity, he could only make predictions of how it would manifest. He couldn't think of a way for two objects that aren't sharing a medium of something else to affect one another, to him it was action at a distance. What NDT was clumsily trying to say was that when Einstein described the concept of "space/time' and that Mass and energy can curve it, we no longer needed a concept of action at a distance for gravity, we had a medium, it was space/time itself.
@@launchsquid wow. Well said. So when Einstein used the " spooky action at a distance" line, was he actually incorporating Newton's "action at a distance " line in order to throw shade at Niels Bohr's quantum physics thesis?
@@blindspotspotter.2352 Einstein famously thought Quantum entanglement was impossible. He believed the universe to followed the principle of locality and that quantum entanglement broke that principal. Einstein rejected the older alternative of action at a distance, such as Newton had invoked when he tried to explain how he saw gravity influencing objects that were unconnected and in a vacuum with no interconnecting medium. Einstein later showed the warping of spacetime was the mechanism for gravity and the connecting medium between celestial objects was spacetime itself. Because Einstein believed any particle or energy state could only be influenced by another particle or energy that is causally linked to it he rejected the notion that action at a distance was a thing. Quantum entanglement allows for two particles to influence one another over infinite distances instantaneously, despite no obvious causal link, so Einstein dubbed it spooky action at a distance as a way to deride it.
In other interviews he was asked the same question.., and laughingly said he didn't know. The only "why" that troubles me is "why" was NDT so triggered
Funnily enough Nobel Prize winner Richard Feynman once had almost the exact same conversation in an interview, except he was asked about magnetism. (You can easily find that on youtube by searching "Richard Feynman. Why.") He also struggeled a bit to explain how a physicist views this sort of question. But in my opinion the most helpful quote from that interview was: "When you are explaining a Why, you have to be in some framework that you allow something to be true. Otherwhise you are perpetually asking why."
This why we needed Eddie on so he could of quickly said... oh I get it so gravity is like fatness the more you eat your belly starts to curve like the Earth... allegedly 😉 Ndt-😠😵
Neil gets a bit edgy any time someone pursues a line of questioning he feels he adequately answered, and Joe doesn`t let shit go if he`s not satisfied with the answers, but I don`t think they`re all like "fuuuuuuuuuckyoooooooo BUDDY!" lol
@@afrog2666 The thing is NDT does not get edgy when someone pursues yadda yadda. He gets edgy here specifically, because while he adequately explained multiple times, Joe tries to present it as if he is avoiding to answer. NDT again explains that he has answered, that we do know what gravity is, we just don't know the philosophical "why". Joe basically keeps asking rabbit hole questions, which don't lead to a what, but basically to a "why", and he does not even understand that he is doing that. This is what is frustrating about it to NDT, and I fully sympathize with him.
@@orestispalampougioukis6043 he is edgy, because he's a scientist first and foremost. If he feels questions are superfluous, he will probably be quick to say so. Nevertheless, we are limited in understandings of many things, and this can frustrate us, and NDT is no different. Also, theological questions are not often welcomed by scientists, which "why" could hint at, and in that case is fundamentally different to "how".
Honestly seeing this video multiple times now, I can understand the frustration of Neil as well of Joe. Neil is saying that there’s pretty much a point where there’s literally no point in trying to keep figuring out the why is works because it could be way far from our knowledge but still making sense that for right now there’s no point in keep trying to understand more of it if we have understood it enough to know how to use it and how it works. I side 50% with Neil there. Now my other 50% is with Joe in the sense that I really believe that for us to ever even reach such fantasies(right now) of traveling at the speed of light and travel planets and galaxies at an extreme velocity(safely) we MUST keep asking how and why gravity is what it is. Maybe also the path into understanding dark matter more as well. I’m no physicist so obviously no expert in the matter but both make sense to me. If science has reached a certain place where we can’t understand more about gravity then I guess it’s just a waiting game on the spawn of a brain in which can further understand and reach new knowledge of the universe.
I don't believe Neil was implying stop asking questions rather lets continue our purpose to see gravity work on a scale we have yet to figure out. It's like having a math question and we all know 1+1=2 and someone standing up with why is 1+1=2. The answer is given so shouldn't we move onto other math equations just as gravity needs to be explored more then just asking the same why question in different context. :)
Science has painted itself into several corners. This is why the number of breakthroughs and discoveries has slowed to a trickle. Gravity is very important to one of them: Dark Matter. 25 years of searching for the stuff and not even a whiff to show for it. Cosmologists are getting very defensive that their knowledge of gravity is complete and perfect. If they admitted that their knowledge is incomplete, the funding might dry up...
I think what he was trying to say is that even though there's no scientific explanation for why the laws of physics seem to be so arbitrary, you don't necessarily have to know the why in order to understand the other things that depend on them. Kind of like back before people could go around the world to prove that it's round, the ancient Greeks could still calculate the circumference of the earth using just the sun and trigonometry. It's just the way he said it made him seem like a dick for no reason
I think when Joe kept asking why, that's a very common question religitards ask when they are trying to say that behind it all stands God. It's an argument they always use, and from videos I've seen of Neil they've asked him that countless times, and I'm sure in his personal life people have asked him a lot too. All I'm trying to say is that that question gets annoying after a while, I'm annoyed of it of just seeing Neil deal with it countless times in videos. I'm guessing he's probably heard it most of his life so I totally understand why he lost his cool a little bit, I knew the reason right away. Also he didn't know Joe's agenda, he thought he was religious, but when Joe told Neil that he isn't, and the purpose of Joe's question wasn't coming from there at all, Neil backed off as you can see in the video.
@@1Peasant Honestly, it is a little pathetic to keep copy-pasting the same comment everywhere. However, the point the comment makes is quite good. The reason most religious people ask "Why" is to smuggle God into the scientific explanatory regress. It's taking advantage of the fact that all science is based on assumptions, and there is always a deeper "why" behind those assumptions, so no matter how much science progresses and explains why stuff happens, God will be the why behind that why. It's a disgusting trick.
I’m only recently a fan of Joe after very slowly building up over several months, and I have to say that I have a lot more respect for him now after watching this and how he handled it. It’s his job to provide quality content by asking quality questions, and I would be just as eager to ask an astrophysicist about gravity in the context as well. To put it bluntly, his response was disappointing in regards to how he says we understand gravity. He should have more reasonably laid out the current how’s and why’s and sure outline the difference between them for the listening layman.
He did answer the "what" of that question. What is Gravity? But when you ask the "Why" why does Gravity exists? Well then, that's no longer a scientific approach to a particular phenomenon. Science deals with the "What" and "how" and not the "Why", what an average person doesn't realise is that "Why gravity exists" is more of a philosophical question than a scientific one. And what Joe Rogan doesn't realise is that the "What" part of that question is already answered by Tyson. It might seem unconvincing and "disappointing" to an average person who isn't quite familiar with science and general relativity because they don't quite understand how any of that works, ergo it's highly recommend that if you want things to make sense you need to start at a lower level rather than jumping directly into complex topics trying to look for answers, that'll just leave you clueless in the end.
Well imagine being as intelligent as NDT and trying to explain that concept to Joe "I know, but I dont know..." Rogan. I mean even if you've ever tried to teach someone whose new on a job it can be infuriating. Somehow at 60 years old Joe is still new on life and needs a lot of this stuff explained to him lol.
@@OurBlackFriend Joe isn't any different than all humans asking for answers. Neil is in a "greater" position to provide a little more insight however on the grand scale even tyson doesn't have the ability to propel our knowledge of anything more vast than 11% of our unlocked brain. For example how to worm holes work in the universe? why haven't we found a way to live too 170 years old? Why has climate change been on the four front lately when for billions of years volcanos erupting gives off far more carbon damage than anything humans have done in our small real 400 years of industrial earth damage
Alex Stoll I enjoy teaching new people on the job and I also enjoy learning and asking why. Maybe you’re just an asshole. Get off that pedestal you’ve put yourself on.
I'm glad Joe kept pushing. As Penn Jillet podcast recently pointed out, if you are intelligent enough, you can argue any point. But it doesn't mean you are right. I definitely know Neil is intelligent. But he doesn't want to go deep into certain questions and is very good at changing topics whilst not looking like he is. Neil kept going to philopsical purpose whereas Joe just wanted the science but he couldn't go that deep into it because science is based on results and not necessarily understanding to the point degree of Joe's essential point of question.
I'm with Neil on this one. Joe's questioning was going down the path of meaning and purpose. Joe was lazy with his words. And Neil had an excellent point that your WHY questions can get reduced down to very fundamental components where the WHY questions are meaningless. Joe could not follow this line of thinking/logic at all.
FenixDown147 the saying is “if you can’t explain it, you can’t teach it.” There’s no sentence limit on that saying. Also, that’s all it is - a saying. It’s not a truism.
Neil has got a point, When you ask so much, why this and why that, you're not getting productive, it's the how that is comprehensive enough to the point of satisfaction. If you want to learn the concept of something you start with a 'how' question not a 'why' question. This was just a simple misunderstanding.
He cant be right because we don’t know how to control gravity yet or if it can be controlled so the day someone figures that out it will have came from asking why… Neil just doesn’t want to admit that he simply doesn’t know and no one knows at this point… but how as a scientist do you say we can measure it and predict it’s movements and that’s enough so we move on??? Doesn’t make sense when you don’t know if you can manipulate it
I dont think Neil was defensive. He just thinks like a scientist and doesn't go much further than that with gravity. Gravity to me, is related more closely to the miracle of life itself than the math that gets you into a crater in Mars. We are a long ways from understanding the why of why there is life and things like gravity that seem to be present and factors that allow for life.
Shane O Mac theres no reason to ask why to an established objective truth; just as court cases where you don't prove or disprove agreed facts among parties. The "whys" that are asked for the sole puropose of generating controversy have to be shut down; because that's how you get to flat earth, holocaust denial, space is fake, etc. there isn't any need to have more imbeciles than those that already exist.
@@tefosemanate9514 Yea well, Neils flowery poetry shit & insisting on not asking why just reinforced all of those imbeciles! I've had elementary school teachers that could have given a more satisfactory conclusion.
t@XY ZW Is it really true that Relativity is unproven garbage? Apparently the GPS wouldn't work properly without accounting for the Mathematics of Relativity. I know that you can do Space Travel without Relativity but simply with Newton but GPS I have heard relies heavily on General Relativity. Or have I heard wrong?
Neil's energy this entire podcast was weirdly uncomfortable to watch. Noticeably different from what we've seen of him over the years. Joe felt it, handled it well
I think he was nervous because he was wondering the whole time if Joe was going to bring up anything about the sexual harassment incident that happened.
NdT has said a few scientific things that were actually terrifically inaccurate during his career, and you are correct about what Einstein said about Quantum Entanglement. Newton did refer to gravity as an "action (a force) at a distance" and it is quite a curious force because we don't know how it works fundamentally despite being able to predict how it will affect bodies in our Universe. I think we can give him a pass on this one because he might have been drinking or smoking with Joe prior to the broadcast...
Newtob said " action at a distance" and that's what neil said when he was referring to gravity listen closely ppl he didn't say "spooky action at a distance"
Knowing how something works gives us the ability to exploit it for our benefit. Knowing why something works teaches us how not just to simulate something, but to truly recreate it and to manipulate it in ways we have yet to even imagine.
I think neil really changed how a lot of people view him lately with just a few podcast you could really see a bad side of him that I personally didn't see before.
@@ALEXANDERATTACK he wasn't getting defensive though. You people don't understand the answer "we don't know why" if it isn't framed that way. 🤦🏻♂️ Which he also said we don't know why. Everyone is so defensive when they aren't as smart as they thought
seriously man, that was very odd, like dude you've been on JRE like 3 times already, why are you asking what the format of the podcast is like? very very odd, made me lose the respect I thought I had for him.
Gravity is tied to time. The higher up you go from the center of the Earth the faster time moves. So when you have an object on earth or an object like Earth, the time moves quicker towards the top of the object and slower towards the bottom thus pushing the object down
YTglobersan Globersan hope not, idk why joe has to choose to oppose guests sometimes. Once he’s decided nothing can change his mind. Why argue with a specialist ya know? Generally joe asks questions and enjoys learning but he isn’t that open minded when it comes to science.
@@hellotheir1427 If you cant explain the basics of gravity to someone then you dont understand it. Thats why questions get asked. You explain the basics and if they want to know more they will prompt you to go more in depth by asking questions. Gravity is a force that pulls all bodies with mass together. Boom, gravity explained. It is explained at a basic level but if they want to know more they prompt with questions
Ninpeg This podcast isn't an education video. Neil didn't get invited by Joe so he can get explained in detail about the laws of physics. He got invited to advertise his book and have a high-level conversation about physics.
I feel like finding out what property of matter causes it to bend space is a good direction to head in order to find the unifying theory between relativity and quantum mechanics. And may lead to discoveries we didn’t know we were looking for. And Joe Rogan, despite my recent disagreements with him, is a genius at intern.
@@Vic2point0 I didn't see it that way. Neil is a passionate guy and his enthusiasm can sometimes come across as anger if you're not familiar with Neil's style of communication. Lol Joe is a moron.
@@TheAstraeuss Except that Neil has been on his show before and it looked very different. Joe even specified exactly what seemed to be the catalyst for Neil's defensiveness this time around.
Because this along with many other channels and RUclips alone are ran by satanic freemasons and secret societies and they stage and lie about everything. They hide the truth and promote lies
Gravity is real, we can measure it. We experience it, we can see it happen. Why it happens is unknown, but gravity is a very real tangible thing. The way you phrased this makes it seem like you don’t believe in gravity, is that what you are implying?
This whole conversation was strange. Neil is losing credibility in my book. I saw a clip of him comparing rock climbing on a mountain abroad to scaling important man made buildings. Explaining how some regions people don’t like westerners rock climbing on their sacred mountains. He went on to say something like that.. “how would a westerner feel about someone repelling down (whatever building of importance he suggested)” I can’t remember exactly which buildings he listed but the argument is absolute horse shit. Comparing an actual mountain that is formed in nature to a man made building in a heavily populated area is just ridiculous
I believe it was Albert Einstein who said spooky action at a distance, and when he said it he wasn't talking about gravity. He was talking about quantum entanglement.
I concur. And the fact that Neil, an astro physicist, botched that fact goes to show how irrational he was in attempting to answer the question at hand, or defend his non-answer.
You are exactly correct. Btw, watching Joe kind of manipulate NDT into a temper tantrum certainly seemed to qualify as spooky action at a distance to me
That's why Brian Greene is my favourite space astro guy, he would have shut it down quick "We don't know yet" regarding the whole WHY question. Plus there would have been more finesse and articulation in his answer to the question.
There’s not one thing on our planet that we understand, don’t understand, or know we don’t understand that someone cannot question. Nothing is EXACTLY what we believe it to be and even if we believe it is EXACTLY what we think, there will always be someone who can question it
math says otherwise... 2+2 is 4 whether you wanna question it, you wanna ask how it works, whether you wanna know the nature of it, whether you wanna say it isn't what exactly we believe it to be..... IT WILL ALWAYS AND ALWAYS BE 4. so that statement is wrong my friend
Newton described it as action at distance without the word “spooky” but he did mean it as a spooky action at distance. Because he thought of gravity as an action that doesn’t take any time. It is spooky. According to Einstein the speed of gravity is not spooky and it is equal to speed of light. According to newton if theoretically sun would magically disappear earth would fly out of its orbit instantaneously, where as eisntein say that for eight minutes we would continue following the curved path.
Knowing why is absolutely useful and can help you learn other useful things. Especially something like why gravity exist, who knows what that could lead to. I could hope to understand black holes better or allow us to replicate or create it and use it in useful ways. I don't understand why he would say it's a waste of time it's more just they don't know where to start or how to understand that question so they don't bother with it until the opportunity arises. No need to be upset about it.
It's just that Niel's attitude about "why" questions has been jaded over time by religious nut jobs that usually end up invoking the a "god of the gaps" argument every time a science discussion moves to the frontiers of current understanding. He explained this. Quite frankly, if I was him and that is what was really happening, I would have been getting frustrated as well with that kind of William Lane Craig bullshit.
@@BrianPaul1984 Yup, this is why scientists just have to disengage from religious nut jobs, flat earthers, and the like. Ignore them. Engaging them as a credible scientist just lends them an air of credibility. It's just not healthy for people who really understand the science. It's a waste of their intellect. Leave the Flat Earthers and creationists to us semi-educated grunts on RUclips comments and Reddit where we can just have fun with them and walk away when we get bored. I actually learn things engaging these people. It forces me to look up and refresh on topics I would otherwise just forget from school.
@@nonenone5326 what is conservative about it? I genuinely wonder if we watched the same video. He says he has no clue, but Neil Degrasse Tyson has studied gravity in every conceivable way our technology allows and admits that any new knowledge is "the frontier" how can you say he doesnt know anything? I think tyson got defensive because every day on twitter he has to defend basic scientific knowledge to retards who say "but what is the purpose of gravity" or "but why is it doing that" as if that invalidates hundreds of years of compiled research. As if the scientists dont ask those exact questions to themselves all the time, but instead of wasting time looking for a moral purpose to the universe they devote their lives to quantifying the underlying mechanisms.
@@twoOfThemThangs he didnt talk in circles, he explained why it is a logical dead end to ask "why" a fundamental force of the universe exists. The questions of "why" any fundamental force exists or "why" life exists is not a question that science is even attempting to explain. He VERY clearly explained that science is only to and CAN ONLY explain the HOW as our technology and understanding deepens. Asking "why" something exists is a philosophical question that cannot be proven or disproven with logic or the scientific method. He isnt saying "i dont know" because again.... he is clearly saying "i dont care"
5:42 "we know more about why people go bald than we do about what gravity really is" the most intriguing and interesting assertion I've ever heard Rogan make on behalf of us all
"Why? Because it IS..." Which just goes to show how teachers are scared to admit "We don't know". But they'll give students hell over using that exact same response, "Because it IS".
@@PATTHECATMCD I thought it was funny at the end when Joe, asked him for the last time "Do we know what gravity is?", and instead, Neil says, "No, were working on it." If he just said that earlier, it wouldve been over right there.
Gravity is the mass of the moon orbiting the earth and pushing it inwards if u put something in the waster and spin around it in water it rotates and puts pressure on it that's why the earth is not round it's egg shaped from the magnetics of the poles working against the moons orbit
Joe reminds me of the little girl from Louis C.K.'s skit where she kept ask "why" things kept happening, lmao. I get where he is coming from but sometimes, being too curious, is more of a determent than an advantage. As they say, curiosity killed the cat.
Joe: Why does gravity work? Niel: why don’t you understand? Joe: why are you defensive? Niel: why are you bald? Joe: Why does gravity always win? Niel: why do you even have this show? Edit by popular demand: *Neil* not Neil. ....poeple these days.... Edit v2: For those who didn't understand the word 'people' was mispeled on purpuse....you lack a cense of humur.
Nobody is picking up on this. Neil started with "why" Just to build a foundation for his ranty behavior and ended it with blaming Joe for wanting a purpose to life? cmon now
@@owl4446 When Joe kept asking why, that's a very common question religitards ask when they are trying to say that behind it all stands God. It's an argument they always use, and from videos I've seen of Neil they've asked him that countless times, and I'm sure in his personal life people have asked him a lot too. All I'm trying to say is that that question gets annoying after a while, I'm annoyed of it of just seeing Neil deal with it countless times in videos. I'm guessing he's probably heard it most of his life so I totally understand why he lost his cool a little bit, I knew the reason right away. Also he didn't know Joe's agenda, he thought he was religious, but when Joe told Neil that he isn't, and the purpose of Joe's question wasn't coming from there at all, Neil backed off as you can see in the video.
0:56 following this logic: "Sun goes up in the morning, warms everything on earth, then it goes down at night. And tomorrow it's gonna happen all over again." "Is that all we need to know about the sun?" "We know what it does and we can predict its actions. That's all the sun science we'll ever need"
This is even a bigger issue in Quantum Mechanics. We literally have no real clue why it is the way it is, and most scientists don't bother and just claim it's a philosophical question. "Shut up and calculate". Although some like Sean Caroll aren't happy just accepting it.
Joe: Why does gravity exist?
Neil: Well, why are you bald?
lmao
He didn’t have an answer so he became petty 😂😂😂😂
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I believe that the temperature of the universe has a huge part to play in gravity and how electromagnetic waves conduct themselves. Watch the video in the link below, that metals superconducting temp is 92 Kelvin and the universe is 2.73 Kelvin imagine the superconducting properties of the ozone being cooled to 2.73 Kelvin that's probs why we don't get alot of radiation from the sun and why certain WIMP particles will never be found passing through our planet! Id like to ask Neil about this
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Joe's hair follicles are more sensitive to the effects of gravity, it pulls the hair towards earth, thus preventing it from growing upwards out of his head...
Neil: Science is always asking why
Joe: Why
Neil: Shut up
Dr: R u still gon ask me why there is gravity?????
Hahahahahahhahahhahahaha
Yes but not in a phylosophical way, science asks why to the unexplained facts presented by physics, why can we usually see a spectrum of seven colors? Why can we see colors? Why did this apple fall on my head? And to those common sense facts we get explanations, because the material has properties that absorb part of the white light it gets, but not all, because the reflection of the light in the objects can reach our eyes and so we see it (I haven't studied science in a while, so sorry if this explanation is a little blurry), because there was a force called gravity that was acting on the apple, those why's are scientific why's, but if you ask, why are there colors, why is there gravity, that is more of a job for phylosophy, and you will end up asking why is there life, and will know nothing
It's just the way things are, that's what I usually go with
gonçalo Baia shut up its funny
@@BluntBrazenCurt_Evolved yes it is, but I figured a minimumly intelligent comment was better than a presence-marking "Hahaha"
he answered question 3 times , from the first one it was obvious what he was talking about , yet you expected him to say what? that he doesn't know answer on question no one can , at least now .
Joe:"isn't it crazy how strong gravity is as a force"
Neil: "isn't it crazy how shiny your bald head is"
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🤣 damn 🤣
No way 😂
“Neil Degrasse Tyson is the most intelligent & articulate man this world has ever seen”
-Neil Degrasse Tyson
LMFAO 🤣🤣
Joe Rogans head is the curvature of space and time
LoL
G G Phahahhaha😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@fakechloe207 some say it's causing gravitational waves as well
Gold
@@aragone8650 lol
"But you seem oddly defensive about something that's scientific" LOL
🤦🤦 YES
@Al Garnier Neil was condescending in many parts. Neil might have been genuinely trying to help, but that just means he's a genuine asshole. Just because "Why" isnt obtainable through science, dosen't mean its not something you can't ask a scientist... he didnt have to answer as a scientist... and then he went on to make the worst point he could, which is "good enough" science. We understand it good enough and the things we don't know aren't important... i hope i dont need to explain why its bad for a scientist to say that
@@warpath8453 you don't understand what neil was saying... neil is saying there is an Infinite philisplophical never ending ever receding asking of "Why" like a child you can keep asking why til the end of the universe. It matter what "Why" you are satified with... Purpose is spiritual or theological which has NOTHING to do with science. You find meaning on your own, but in the mean time we will keep discovering HOW things happen in our universe. He is NOT saying to stop dicovery... he is saying we can eventually discover the true reason WHY life exists... and you will still have people... asking why.... there has to be a point of satisfaction with why so you can move on and KEEP DISCOVERING
@Al Garnier Joe clearly wasnt asking for a purpose, Neil knows fully well Joe wasnt. Joe was simply curious. Neil knew he lost his point.
@@warpath8453 who said you cant obtain why from science? The fuck? Science answers why all the time. But science cant stop people from asking why again.
The best part of this video is when Joe presses him about being defensive about the question.
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Yup we really don’t understand it !
Very sus
Yep. . . .Narcissism is one hell of a drug
Its hard to watch somebody i held in such high regard act like a that. Its like he took something before hand that ended up effectinf his mood hes normally arrogant, but not rude like that
It took Neil a good 10 minutes to just say “I don’t know”
He answered the question though, by saying that Gravity is the curvature of space and time. He said "I don't know" when he got asked "why is gravity the curvature of space and time?" Which is basically the same as being asked "why is gravity gravity?". The first question was "what really is gravity?". And Neil answered. And then he basically got asked "why is reality this way and not another way?". I think the confusion derived from the fact that the concept of gravity is hard to understand: it is a curvature sure, the same as a ramp at a skateboard park, but you cannot perceive it. You can't see it. Cuz it's in 4D, per say. But just because you can't picture it in your head, doesn't mean you don't know what it is. Neil knows cause it's his field, many people didn't really understand it I think.
@@TrevorAndSky Neil did not give a sufficient answer for Joe and for many people. It was very frustrating to view this clip as Neil continuously talked about the fact that we know 'enough' about gravity to get us to land on Mars for example. Neil did not explain what is the accepted theory in physics at the moment about how particles get their mass to create the curvature of space time. He just rambled about how what we know is enough and that is not an acceptable answer for a physicist. Neil showed his bad side with this podcast.
Actually he said it at the top of when he started talking he said "we don't know why gravity works we know we are limited to it's properties." It's better to keep asking how questions than why questions
@@bulcius he literally we said we don't know why gravity works 🤦🏻♂️ you guys aren't particularly.....equipped to understand what he was saying
Dude is a complete freak. He makes me super uncomfortable
“The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.”
Einstein
what a revolutionary thought, the more i explore the more i realize how much i haven't explored
Wasn't that Socrates?
shit hits me in my soul
Me too
@@raymondz595 look it up. the quote from socrates is different.
Roe Jogan: Y
Geil neDrasse Tyson: fuck you. *You bald*
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he sounds real educated dont he...
Joe: "WHAT is gravity?"
Neil: *rants about asking "WHY"*
WHY is the force that causes intelligent people to question things! Why do the planets do this instead of that is what caused Copernicus and Kepler to question the motion of the planets.
I thought I was the only person who noticed that
So he knows why but not what. So he doesn't know.
Neil: rants about Joe’s baldness
@@thedonn4719I think you need to listen again. And that’s not a insult, it just takes a minute to digest.
6:23 nailed it, Joe is a genius at interviewing
I liked this one more. 5:44 . It was hilarious to see Neil's face. Genuinely not knowing the answer and then deferring to Einstein's definition which is not even a definition but a description of a framework.
He hasn't been on point like this in a long time... Other than that ep with the cnn robot guy
Joe let him off the hook .The question was what is gravity,not why is gravity
@@kfm908Neil told him what gravity is.
Wow. Neil got so pissed off of Joe from asking why, he started calling him bald.
Underrated 😂😂😂😂
I think Neil was getting somewhat agitated because he kept trying to explain that at some point the "why" question is irrelevant. But I'm not sure why Neil feels that way. Who knows what could come out of an even deeper understanding of why/how gravity bends spacetime. Especially if we somehow figure out how to reverse it counteract it. This could be huge for future space travel, no? Wasn't that the whole plot to Interstellar?
@@Wizznilliam yes, some scientists still question the validity of gravity, it doesnt make sense completely in some pieces. What Neil did here is he is closing the conversation on the theory of gravity, if I recall correctly, this is not how the scientific method works. Infact this is very detrimental to it.
This is similar to the God argument religious people use. Its a real shame.
I also think Joe made a brilliant counter argument agains neils analogy between hair follicles and gravity, which simply was "we know a lot more about hair follicles than we know gravity" (thus its ok to dig deeper and ask more questions).
Based on tone of voice Joe seemed way more agitated than DeGrasse and I don't particularly care for him normally, but in this convo Joe irked me. DeGrasse was right in that we understand gravity to a fine enough degree to land interplanetary shit. People still by and large go bald if their genes say so ..which thing is manipulated to a greater degree by humanity then?
@@missionpupa your getting tired of these people too, huh? Lol
*Joe:* "But isn't it still interesting to..."
*Neil:* "You are bald and your hair is never coming back."
@@TV-cn3tf no it makes sense cuz he is bold for having a bald head🤯
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Ha he changed it 😘
I feel like Tyson is a very angry man behind closed doors.
I know why insult Joe for being bald, joe was just trying to learn
This is a scary question to the physicist community as it exposes their lack of basic understanding and shows they rely massively on Einsteins laws but have no idea why hehe.. oh well that's mainstream for ya
I've heard that when someone's under stress it shows who they really are
Tyson is just frustrated by religious dogma. He's had enough of it. Religious people are claiming to have made the greatest scientific discovery of all time, that there is a God and what the properties and characteristics of this God are. Such a discovery would be the greatest scientific discovery of all time. The problem with the religious people is that they are making this claim without sufficient evidence to support it.
-Joe: you are being defensive.
-Neil: why?
Owned.
😂
I would have greatly preferred a video of Joe Rogan and Gravity tackling Neil deGrasse Tyson.
🤣🤣🤣
That's really clever because of characters involved.
Classic Gravity move
Lol boo this man
Why does gravity exist?
Neil: mind your own business, boy.
Aterhallsam why does gravity exist is the wrong question.
@@XeLProductions Why is it the wrong question?
Jamston Julian Because theism
he didnt ask why gravity exists, he asked what is gravity. why gravity exists is a dumb questions to ask.
Feralz exactly!
Actually, "spooky action at a distance" was coined by Albert Einstein. He was refering to the quantum mechanics phenomena of Entanglement.
When will people comprehend that entire science is just a human's honest response to their own incompetence to fully comprehend the true nature of Nature?
Thanks, was looking for this reply.
Thank you, it left me puzzled since he was quoting Newton, who obviously wrote in English, but "spooky" was not an English word back then.
Entanglement ? I knew that word meant something else besides Jada Smith fucking August Alsina
that is true , that quote is Einstein's , but it was the critics of newton that first identified the problem of action at a distance .
Joe: "why is there gravity?"
Neil: "Do you ever wonder why is your head bold"
Me: Why?
*Neil DeGrasse Tyson has left the chat*
Haha yup
Ight, ima head out.
@@nonenone5326 i think this joke went over your head...
The earth is round
Makaveli chuckling more like he has entered the chat 😂😂😂
The interview in few words.
Joe: What is gravity?
Niel: A curve in space and time.
Joe: Why?
Niel: You are bald.
Joe: I remind you that I go to the gym regularly.
Well, that escalated quickly
Hahah
Somehow it turned into hair follicles
Joe got pretty tight lmao.
- Why did you bang the table?
- Because you won't stop asking me why
Neil was way more interested in letting Joe know that he's intelligent than anything Joe was trying to have a conversation about lol then when Neil got called out, it was a slippery slope of him being defensive as hell the rest of the way lol
Holy fuck you are dumb
I didn’t know where this was going, he got kinda angry while basically talking to himself. 😂😂😂
He doesnt like being questioned. He wants us to believe like blind faith.
@@007VitaminD
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@@007VitaminD No... he's been on before, and he was never like this. He was always open to answering questions
Lmao! Dude, Joe was over it. He kept interrupting Joe, so I image Joe just bowed out. Like, "dude, why are you preaching right now? I'm TRYING to have a conversation."
A renowned astrophysicist does not want to ever admit "Well, we really don't know".
My dad's a physicist. He always says: "how" is for scientists, "why" is for philosophers. Maybe I'm just used to it, but... it sounds about right to me.
Alex San Lyra
~Nice~
I’m not sure “how” happens without the “why?”.
Alex San Lyra nope science answers both once both can be answered and philosophers do nothing except push the scientist to answer both of these questions furthers
@@joshuaalbert9092 And you're basing that comment based on what? Are you a scientist? Or a philosopher?
Alex San Lyra a biologist with a disdain for people who have to answer everything with a story about how it had to be created. Also I was just being tongue in cheek.
@@joshuaalbert9092 has nothing to do with that. "why" can be answered with science
Joe: Why is there gravity.
Neil: Why are you asking me that?
Lecturer: Write a research paper on why gravity exists.
Neil: Why am I in this class?
“I’m always hooked on gravity” - Joe
“As you should be.” - Neil
*joe ignores dad joke*
Pretty sure "spooky action at a distance " was Einstein's quote decrying quantum entanglement. Not Newton explaining why gravity works.
Yup. That's exactly what Einstein meant.
Yes, Spooky Action at a Distance was an Einsteinian quote but the concept of action at a distance was a very big and defining limit to Newtons descriptions of Gravity.
Newton didn't have the concept of "space-time" being a fabric, he thought of space as a vacuum only, so he wrestled with and failed to answer a mechanism for gravity, he could only make predictions of how it would manifest. He couldn't think of a way for two objects that aren't sharing a medium of something else to affect one another, to him it was action at a distance.
What NDT was clumsily trying to say was that when Einstein described the concept of "space/time' and that Mass and energy can curve it, we no longer needed a concept of action at a distance for gravity, we had a medium, it was space/time itself.
@@launchsquid wow. Well said. So when Einstein used the " spooky action at a distance" line, was he actually incorporating Newton's "action at a distance " line in order to throw shade at Niels Bohr's quantum physics thesis?
@@blindspotspotter.2352 Einstein famously thought Quantum entanglement was impossible. He believed the universe to followed the principle of locality and that quantum entanglement broke that principal.
Einstein rejected the older alternative of action at a distance, such as Newton had invoked when he tried to explain how he saw gravity influencing objects that were unconnected and in a vacuum with no interconnecting medium.
Einstein later showed the warping of spacetime was the mechanism for gravity and the connecting medium between celestial objects was spacetime itself.
Because Einstein believed any particle or energy state could only be influenced by another particle or energy that is causally linked to it he rejected the notion that action at a distance was a thing.
Quantum entanglement allows for two particles to influence one another over infinite distances instantaneously, despite no obvious causal link, so Einstein dubbed it spooky action at a distance as a way to deride it.
NDT is so full of shit. "Why do you want to know what gravity is, isn't it enough that current theories work!?" He sounds like a science denier.
"I don't know", would have been an acceptable answer Neil.
He couldn't do that. "I'm good with this... I GOT THIS!!!"
but he does know.. to an extent.. how far back do you want to go? All the way back to "why is there anything?"?
exactly
He seemed irritated this podcast.
In other interviews he was asked the same question.., and laughingly said he didn't know. The only "why" that troubles me is "why" was NDT so triggered
Funnily enough Nobel Prize winner Richard Feynman once had almost the exact same conversation in an interview, except he was asked about magnetism. (You can easily find that on youtube by searching "Richard Feynman. Why.") He also struggeled a bit to explain how a physicist views this sort of question. But in my opinion the most helpful quote from that interview was: "When you are explaining a Why, you have to be in some framework that you allow something to be true. Otherwhise you are perpetually asking why."
5:10 Neil "when did you go bald" Degrasse Tyson.
Joe: but isn’t it still curious?
Tyson: Well you’ve got a bald head. 4:59
Hahaha you got a bald head
he says 'yaaaa'
Was a weird analogy! Seemed like a cheap dig 😂😂
@@scootaymildo1070 i thought the randomness was the point. you can ask why forever about gravity, or balding.
This why we needed Eddie on so he could of quickly said... oh I get it so gravity is like fatness the more you eat your belly starts to curve like the Earth... allegedly 😉
Ndt-😠😵
A convo of two men really saying “farrrk you” behind fake smiles
Yeah, pretty much 🤷🏽♂️😂😂
Got the vibe when Neil thought it was a religion rabbit hole lol. After that they seemed cool again tho.
Neil gets a bit edgy any time someone pursues a line of questioning he feels he adequately answered, and Joe doesn`t let shit go if he`s not satisfied with the answers, but I don`t think they`re all like "fuuuuuuuuuckyoooooooo BUDDY!" lol
@@afrog2666 The thing is NDT does not get edgy when someone pursues yadda yadda. He gets edgy here specifically, because while he adequately explained multiple times, Joe tries to present it as if he is avoiding to answer. NDT again explains that he has answered, that we do know what gravity is, we just don't know the philosophical "why". Joe basically keeps asking rabbit hole questions, which don't lead to a what, but basically to a "why", and he does not even understand that he is doing that. This is what is frustrating about it to NDT, and I fully sympathize with him.
@@orestispalampougioukis6043 he is edgy, because he's a scientist first and foremost. If he feels questions are superfluous, he will probably be quick to say so. Nevertheless, we are limited in understandings of many things, and this can frustrate us, and NDT is no different. Also, theological questions are not often welcomed by scientists, which "why" could hint at, and in that case is fundamentally different to "how".
I wish Neil would have explained his perspective about how we might begin to manipulate gravity in the future
Honestly seeing this video multiple times now, I can understand the frustration of Neil as well of Joe. Neil is saying that there’s pretty much a point where there’s literally no point in trying to keep figuring out the why is works because it could be way far from our knowledge but still making sense that for right now there’s no point in keep trying to understand more of it if we have understood it enough to know how to use it and how it works. I side 50% with Neil there. Now my other 50% is with Joe in the sense that I really believe that for us to ever even reach such fantasies(right now) of traveling at the speed of light and travel planets and galaxies at an extreme velocity(safely) we MUST keep asking how and why gravity is what it is. Maybe also the path into understanding dark matter more as well. I’m no physicist so obviously no expert in the matter but both make sense to me. If science has reached a certain place where we can’t understand more about gravity then I guess it’s just a waiting game on the spawn of a brain in which can further understand and reach new knowledge of the universe.
No such thing as gravity
Never let him babysit a 4 year old
😁 right
Why?
@@Guppusmaximus he wont let him ask WHY
@@Itsopvious why?
Guppusmaximus because all young children do is ask “Why?”. They’ll ask why? about the same topic 50 times and just never stop. It’d drive Neil crazy
This doesn't sit right with me. When was the last time you heard a scientist say "Stop asking why, just believe."
I don't believe Neil was implying stop asking questions rather lets continue our purpose to see gravity work on a scale we have yet to figure out. It's like having a math question and we all know 1+1=2 and someone standing up with why is 1+1=2. The answer is given so shouldn't we move onto other math equations just as gravity needs to be explored more then just asking the same why question in different context. :)
Science has painted itself into several corners. This is why the number of breakthroughs and discoveries has slowed to a trickle. Gravity is very important to one of them: Dark Matter. 25 years of searching for the stuff and not even a whiff to show for it. Cosmologists are getting very defensive that their knowledge of gravity is complete and perfect. If they admitted that their knowledge is incomplete, the funding might dry up...
Because at the end of the day faith triumphs doubt
Very odd. Plus how he responded re Tesla.
I think what he was trying to say is that even though there's no scientific explanation for why the laws of physics seem to be so arbitrary, you don't necessarily have to know the why in order to understand the other things that depend on them. Kind of like back before people could go around the world to prove that it's round, the ancient Greeks could still calculate the circumference of the earth using just the sun and trigonometry. It's just the way he said it made him seem like a dick for no reason
“why did you bang the table?”
well because it was lookin mighty fine that’s why
I always thought if Degrasse tackled gravity, it would be his downfall.
My boy Eddie going to have a field day with this..
My name is Eddy I'm ready
@VFT - WHAT?? That's because Eddie is a moron who doesn't care if he can prove his own beliefs.
"How dare this bald MMA nut outsmart me? im Neal Degrasse Tyson"
I think when Joe kept asking why, that's a very common question religitards ask when they are trying to say that behind it all stands God. It's an argument they always use, and from videos I've seen of Neil they've asked him that countless times, and I'm sure in his personal life people have asked him a lot too. All I'm trying to say is that that question gets annoying after a while, I'm annoyed of it of just seeing Neil deal with it countless times in videos. I'm guessing he's probably heard it most of his life so I totally understand why he lost his cool a little bit, I knew the reason right away. Also he didn't know Joe's agenda, he thought he was religious, but when Joe told Neil that he isn't, and the purpose of Joe's question wasn't coming from there at all, Neil backed off as you can see in the video.
You thinking that the amount of times someone comments something is proof of anything is proof that you're a fucking brain-dead.
@@1Peasant Honestly, it is a little pathetic to keep copy-pasting the same comment everywhere. However, the point the comment makes is quite good. The reason most religious people ask "Why" is to smuggle God into the scientific explanatory regress. It's taking advantage of the fact that all science is based on assumptions, and there is always a deeper "why" behind those assumptions, so no matter how much science progresses and explains why stuff happens, God will be the why behind that why. It's a disgusting trick.
@@johnnyk5385 If that's true, then the fact that the KKK exists is proof all Protestants are murderers and rapists. Congratulations.
@@bakarenibsheut12 Shut up yoy utter and complete moron.
This is like a child questioning his parents about how Santa Claus can fit down their chimney.
I’m only recently a fan of Joe after very slowly building up over several months, and I have to say that I have a lot more respect for him now after watching this and how he handled it. It’s his job to provide quality content by asking quality questions, and I would be just as eager to ask an astrophysicist about gravity in the context as well. To put it bluntly, his response was disappointing in regards to how he says we understand gravity. He should have more reasonably laid out the current how’s and why’s and sure outline the difference between them for the listening layman.
He did answer the "what" of that question. What is Gravity? But when you ask the "Why" why does Gravity exists? Well then, that's no longer a scientific approach to a particular phenomenon. Science deals with the "What" and "how" and not the "Why", what an average person doesn't realise is that "Why gravity exists" is more of a philosophical question than a scientific one. And what Joe Rogan doesn't realise is that the "What" part of that question is already answered by Tyson. It might seem unconvincing and "disappointing" to an average person who isn't quite familiar with science and general relativity because they don't quite understand how any of that works, ergo it's highly recommend that if you want things to make sense you need to start at a lower level rather than jumping directly into complex topics trying to look for answers, that'll just leave you clueless in the end.
lol Joe did get Neil on the edge of an anger attack
seemed like it
Well imagine being as intelligent as NDT and trying to explain that concept to Joe "I know, but I dont know..." Rogan. I mean even if you've ever tried to teach someone whose new on a job it can be infuriating. Somehow at 60 years old Joe is still new on life and needs a lot of this stuff explained to him lol.
@@OurBlackFriend Joe isn't any different than all humans asking for answers. Neil is in a "greater" position to provide a little more insight however on the grand scale even tyson doesn't have the ability to propel our knowledge of anything more vast than 11% of our unlocked brain. For example how to worm holes work in the universe? why haven't we found a way to live too 170 years old? Why has climate change been on the four front lately when for billions of years volcanos erupting gives off far more carbon damage than anything humans have done in our small real 400 years of industrial earth damage
Alex Stoll I enjoy teaching new people on the job and I also enjoy learning and asking why. Maybe you’re just an asshole. Get off that pedestal you’ve put yourself on.
Alex Stoll joe is like 49 he’s no where near 60
I'm glad Joe kept pushing. As Penn Jillet podcast recently pointed out, if you are intelligent enough, you can argue any point. But it doesn't mean you are right.
I definitely know Neil is intelligent.
But he doesn't want to go deep into certain questions and is very good at changing topics whilst not looking like he is.
Neil kept going to philopsical purpose whereas Joe just wanted the science but he couldn't go that deep into it because science is based on results and not necessarily understanding to the point degree of Joe's essential point of question.
MockTubeLOL
Because Neil doesn’t have an answer so he just twisted some words. He’s too proud to say he just doesn’t know
I'm with Neil on this one. Joe's questioning was going down the path of meaning and purpose. Joe was lazy with his words. And Neil had an excellent point that your WHY questions can get reduced down to very fundamental components where the WHY questions are meaningless. Joe could not follow this line of thinking/logic at all.
@@methdxman Joe's question was "What gives Matter Mass?" Tyson heard "Why does mass bend space?" Same diff, Tyson got flustered
If you cant explain something in less 1 or 2 sentences, then you don't understand it well enough to teach it.
FenixDown147 the saying is “if you can’t explain it, you can’t teach it.” There’s no sentence limit on that saying.
Also, that’s all it is - a saying. It’s not a truism.
When teacher asks you a question which you don't know the answer but you start talking about all the other parts of the lesson.
Neil has got a point,
When you ask so much, why this and why that, you're not getting productive, it's the how that is comprehensive enough to the point of satisfaction.
If you want to learn the concept of something you start with a 'how' question not a 'why' question.
This was just a simple misunderstanding.
He cant be right because we don’t know how to control gravity yet or if it can be controlled so the day someone figures that out it will have came from asking why… Neil just doesn’t want to admit that he simply doesn’t know and no one knows at this point… but how as a scientist do you say we can measure it and predict it’s movements and that’s enough so we move on??? Doesn’t make sense when you don’t know if you can manipulate it
@@abuesa6315 that makes no sense.
What explained is a "how" question not a "why" question.
Can be summed up as follows:
Joe: Why does gravity exist?
Tyson: I don't know and I'm gonna get weird and defensive about it.
No one knows the explanation to the rules of the universe.
I dont think Neil was defensive. He just thinks like a scientist and doesn't go much further than that with gravity. Gravity to me, is related more closely to the miracle of life itself than the math that gets you into a crater in Mars. We are a long ways from understanding the why of why there is life and things like gravity that seem to be present and factors that allow for life.
Shane O Mac theres no reason to ask why to an established objective truth; just as court cases where you don't prove or disprove agreed facts among parties.
The "whys" that are asked for the sole puropose of generating controversy have to be shut down; because that's how you get to flat earth, holocaust denial, space is fake, etc. there isn't any need to have more imbeciles than those that already exist.
@@tefosemanate9514 Yea well, Neils flowery poetry shit & insisting on not asking why just reinforced all of those imbeciles!
I've had elementary school teachers that could have given a more satisfactory conclusion.
t@XY ZW Is it really true that Relativity is unproven garbage? Apparently the GPS wouldn't work properly without accounting for the Mathematics of Relativity. I know that you can do Space Travel without Relativity but simply with Newton but GPS I have heard relies heavily on General Relativity. Or have I heard wrong?
Neil's energy this entire podcast was weirdly uncomfortable to watch. Noticeably different from what we've seen of him over the years. Joe felt it, handled it well
I think he was nervous because he was wondering the whole time if Joe was going to bring up anything about the sexual harassment incident that happened.
He's edgy is this one for sure. Maybe he was on coke or needed to be laid
"How" is just "why" that hasn't happened yet
This guy is smart. He should become a world famous astrophysicist
Not quite as smart as he thinks he is, however.
Joe Rogan starting to look like Professor X
LOLOL, whos X? idk but that sounds funny
Now all he needs is to somehow get his legs crippled.
😂😂😂
@@Tizon_Eclipse From the X-men franchise.
Get Joe Rogan for the MCU!
Newton didn't say "spooky action at a distance" , Einstein said it refering to Quantum entanglement.
Maybe drunk?
NdT has said a few scientific things that were actually terrifically inaccurate during his career, and you are correct about what Einstein said about Quantum Entanglement.
Newton did refer to gravity as an "action (a force) at a distance" and it is quite a curious force because we don't know how it works fundamentally despite being able to predict how it will affect bodies in our Universe. I think we can give him a pass on this one because he might have been drinking or smoking with Joe prior to the broadcast...
Totally.
Newtob said " action at a distance" and that's what neil said when he was referring to gravity listen closely ppl he didn't say "spooky action at a distance"
@@chhimi4025 2:06 NDT does say Newton said "spooky action at a distance, fast forward 300 years to Einstein..."
I didn't know count chocula knew so much about gravity. Man I loved that cereal.
TLDR: We don't know why Gravity exists, but we know how to work with it
Joe: “Why does gravity exist?”
Neil: *WHY ARE YOU BALD*
Spooky action at a distance was what Einstein said about quantum entanglement. Not what newton said about gravity
exactly
I posted same shit! Wtf
Johnathon Washburn he actually explains this in one of his books that wasn’t his point
Johnathan Washburn.. Thank You .... exactly what I thought
was just about to post the same comment
This is the waiter's response when you ask why you haven't gotten your rolls at Texas Roadhouse yet....
you have to wait for them to bake
Brian Greene: i dont know.
Brian Cox: we dont know.
Neil deGrasse: hair
Don’t ever stop asking why.
NDT is basically describing religion and in essence, it makes science -- at least in this example -- a religion upon itself.
Why?
@@jamesthen1nja cause he said.
@@JonnyUnderrated why?
@hahagotcha!!!! Thats true .if you keep asking why then eventually you will reach a point where no one is going to be able to answer your questions
I have a feeling this will be the last time Neil is on the show.
F
After that I hope so but I also see is stupid view he went about it the wrong way
Need more of Brian Cox and less of NDT
@Jerf Hankell I found you Neil
Jerf Hankell you eat shit
Knowing how something works gives us the ability to exploit it for our benefit. Knowing why something works teaches us how not just to simulate something, but to truly recreate it and to manipulate it in ways we have yet to even imagine.
I think neil really changed how a lot of people view him lately with just a few podcast you could really see a bad side of him that I personally didn't see before.
Maybe all the positive attention he got made him arrogant, I’m glad we got some more perspective. Same thing happened to me with the Kanye podcast.
ruclips.net/video/FEzPfN9B_QM/видео.html Just check this out and maybe that's why Neil acted like that
@@ALEXANDERATTACK he wasn't getting defensive though. You people don't understand the answer "we don't know why" if it isn't framed that way. 🤦🏻♂️ Which he also said we don't know why. Everyone is so defensive when they aren't as smart as they thought
You got to see his real side. You can't escape from Rogan. That's why it's so good.
Give him some DMT Joe... Let's get his perspective after the trip
The fuck is the JRE following just a DMT cult now lol. *it's time, he's ready for the vision* 😂
Tyson might just tell us everything about everything ever. Whooaaaaaa
Neil would then be woke. He would evolve past humanity
Bruh Neil would be so humble and confused I’d love it. He’s probably just get done and looks at Joe and be like “That’s pretty cool” and just move on😂
@@IllyrianStrength Nice one!
Why is NDT acting like he's never been on this Joe Rogan podcast before
Hes a smug prick. He prejudges joe as a mediocre mind and treats him accordingly.
hit jtowers he’s a clone
Too much coke
Thank u.... I was thinking the same exact thing.. at least from this clip.
seriously man, that was very odd, like dude you've been on JRE like 3 times already, why are you asking what the format of the podcast is like? very very odd, made me lose the respect I thought I had for him.
This is a guy who has been asked “why?” Waaaaayyyyy to many times!😂😂😂
"too"
Gravity is tied to time. The higher up you go from the center of the Earth the faster time moves. So when you have an object on earth or an object like Earth, the time moves quicker towards the top of the object and slower towards the bottom thus pushing the object down
Props for joe for keeping his cool throughout this whole thing 😂😂
His stomach is rumbling must be hangry you should have fed him first joe so his not so defensive. Choke him out joe.
Mike B yeah and get sued badly... it aint relevant
Yeah, props for Joe! Tyson is annoying af!
@Cinozzz NDT brings much more to life than stoned joe Rogan
Rogan is a peasant in the presence of NDT
Joe knows his place.
. Na just a dummy asking questions and the teacher getting the same question over and over. Props to Neil if anybody foh
Neil: Why did you go bald?
This is the last time we will see him in JRE
YTglobersan Globersan hope not, idk why joe has to choose to oppose guests sometimes. Once he’s decided nothing can change his mind. Why argue with a specialist ya know? Generally joe asks questions and enjoys learning but he isn’t that open minded when it comes to science.
@@Corntron5000 Because that's what you're SUPPOSED to do. Ask questions in order to understand better.
NomadicEmcee explaining gravity to a non physicians isn't easy. Its like a doctor telling a patient how cells work snd disease. It will take to long,
@@hellotheir1427 If you cant explain the basics of gravity to someone then you dont understand it. Thats why questions get asked. You explain the basics and if they want to know more they will prompt you to go more in depth by asking questions.
Gravity is a force that pulls all bodies with mass together.
Boom, gravity explained. It is explained at a basic level but if they want to know more they prompt with questions
Ninpeg This podcast isn't an education video. Neil didn't get invited by Joe so he can get explained in detail about the laws of physics. He got invited to advertise his book and have a high-level conversation about physics.
I feel like finding out what property of matter causes it to bend space is a good direction to head in order to find the unifying theory between relativity and quantum mechanics. And may lead to discoveries we didn’t know we were looking for.
And Joe Rogan, despite my recent disagreements with him, is a genius at intern.
"What is my purpose?"
Tyson - "You're too theological. Jamie, pull up my Instagram."
NDT got so mad he started attacking Joe about his hair.
Lol, I couldn't get past that interpretation either.
He was mad? I heard a lot of laughing....Maybe you want him to be angry?
@@TheAstraeuss He was noticeably irritated. Even Joe said he was being defensive.
@@Vic2point0 I didn't see it that way. Neil is a passionate guy and his enthusiasm can sometimes come across as anger if you're not familiar with Neil's style of communication. Lol Joe is a moron.
@@TheAstraeuss Except that Neil has been on his show before and it looked very different. Joe even specified exactly what seemed to be the catalyst for Neil's defensiveness this time around.
Why no eddie bravo on this?
Edit: I mean....NDT turned down a debate from eric dubay, i'm not a supporter but why wouldnt he destroy them if he could.
Because flat earth is just a troll
lmao I can only imagine what he would've added to this.
hahagotcha!!!! No he’s not lmao he’s a legend
Because he's an embarrassment.
Because this along with many other channels and RUclips alone are ran by satanic freemasons and secret societies and they stage and lie about everything. They hide the truth and promote lies
Neil was done w the conversation when he saw that Rogan was in fact being philosophical with his "why"
Even though he said "what"
So basically Gravity is still a theory and can't be proven. Thanks Neil.
Gravity is real, we can measure it. We experience it, we can see it happen. Why it happens is unknown, but gravity is a very real tangible thing.
The way you phrased this makes it seem like you don’t believe in gravity, is that what you are implying?
“Theory” does not mean “guess” bub
You sound ignorant
He got pissed for some reason...he called Joe bald, middle aged and fat...all that was missing was a yo Momma joke
Doesn’t like that he doesn’t know the answer
This whole conversation was strange. Neil is losing credibility in my book. I saw a clip of him comparing rock climbing on a mountain abroad to scaling important man made buildings. Explaining how some regions people don’t like westerners rock climbing on their sacred mountains. He went on to say something like that.. “how would a westerner feel about someone repelling down (whatever building of importance he suggested)” I can’t remember exactly which buildings he listed but the argument is absolute horse shit. Comparing an actual mountain that is formed in nature to a man made building in a heavily populated area is just ridiculous
@@dylanlol3501 lol ppl can be wrong why does that tiny arguement affect his credibility
@zwiebelblumen whoa easy on the fascism there... dudes just a little excited.
😂😂😂
I believe it was Albert Einstein who said spooky action at a distance, and when he said it he wasn't talking about gravity. He was talking about quantum entanglement.
I concur. And the fact that Neil, an astro physicist, botched that fact goes to show how irrational he was in attempting to answer the question at hand, or defend his non-answer.
@@jefferee2002 His reaction did seem rather peculiar. He gave his reason for the defensive behavior, but I'm not sure I bought it.
jefferee2002 Neil being a fraud is my belief
You are exactly correct. Btw, watching Joe kind of manipulate NDT into a temper tantrum certainly seemed to qualify as spooky action at a distance to me
That's what was thinking
That's why Brian Greene is my favourite space astro guy, he would have shut it down quick "We don't know yet" regarding the whole WHY question. Plus there would have been more finesse and articulation in his answer to the question.
There’s not one thing on our planet that we understand, don’t understand, or know we don’t understand that someone cannot question. Nothing is EXACTLY what we believe it to be and even if we believe it is EXACTLY what we think, there will always be someone who can question it
math says otherwise... 2+2 is 4 whether you wanna question it, you wanna ask how it works, whether you wanna know the nature of it, whether you wanna say it isn't what exactly we believe it to be..... IT WILL ALWAYS AND ALWAYS BE 4.
so that statement is wrong my friend
...you got bald 👨🦲 hair
Neil deGrasse Tyson
I’m sure someone’s already pointed this out but Einstein was the one who called it “spooky action at a distance” not Newton
Yeah that sounded off but I didn't check. Wasn't the quote referring to quantum entanglement, non-locality... not gravity?
Yup. Einstein said that in regards to quantum entanglement
Correct.. Newton invented cookies
Yes Einstein was spooky action at a distance
Newton described it as action at distance without the word “spooky” but he did mean it as a spooky action at distance. Because he thought of gravity as an action that doesn’t take any time. It is spooky. According to Einstein the speed of gravity is not spooky and it is equal to speed of light. According to newton if theoretically sun would magically disappear earth would fly out of its orbit instantaneously, where as eisntein say that for eight minutes we would continue following the curved path.
This is why I love Brian Cox. He's awesome at explaining stuff and conveying stuff.
He's a better Sci Fi Religious High Priest than NDT.
I enjoy his pseudoscience wizardry much better.
Brian Cox is a useful idiot. Nothing more.
Hahahah
@@jonnyhawt8973 Okay little John
@@BabylonGateLA 🤣🐑
Knowing why is absolutely useful and can help you learn other useful things. Especially something like why gravity exist, who knows what that could lead to. I could hope to understand black holes better or allow us to replicate or create it and use it in useful ways. I don't understand why he would say it's a waste of time it's more just they don't know where to start or how to understand that question so they don't bother with it until the opportunity arises. No need to be upset about it.
My god Niel seems offended. He's attacking Joe's baldness. That was hysterical.
It's just that Niel's attitude about "why" questions has been jaded over time by religious nut jobs that usually end up invoking the a "god of the gaps" argument every time a science discussion moves to the frontiers of current understanding. He explained this. Quite frankly, if I was him and that is what was really happening, I would have been getting frustrated as well with that kind of William Lane Craig bullshit.
@@BrianPaul1984 Yup, this is why scientists just have to disengage from religious nut jobs, flat earthers, and the like. Ignore them. Engaging them as a credible scientist just lends them an air of credibility. It's just not healthy for people who really understand the science. It's a waste of their intellect. Leave the Flat Earthers and creationists to us semi-educated grunts on RUclips comments and Reddit where we can just have fun with them and walk away when we get bored. I actually learn things engaging these people. It forces me to look up and refresh on topics I would otherwise just forget from school.
Thats not what offended is.
I hate to reply to this stuff. But this will be fun. Science is a whore.
@@yarnosh you idiots separate science from religion as if there isn't religious scientists.
Joe: What is gravity?
Tyson: Why are you pestering me with purpose?
Tyson has no clue
@@billmoyer3254 uhhh what? I think he pretty clearly explained a firm understanding of it.
@@nonenone5326 what is conservative about it? I genuinely wonder if we watched the same video. He says he has no clue, but Neil Degrasse Tyson has studied gravity in every conceivable way our technology allows and admits that any new knowledge is "the frontier" how can you say he doesnt know anything?
I think tyson got defensive because every day on twitter he has to defend basic scientific knowledge to retards who say "but what is the purpose of gravity" or "but why is it doing that" as if that invalidates hundreds of years of compiled research. As if the scientists dont ask those exact questions to themselves all the time, but instead of wasting time looking for a moral purpose to the universe they devote their lives to quantifying the underlying mechanisms.
No, he asked why is gravity
Tyson could not answer that, he just kept talking in circles
@@twoOfThemThangs he didnt talk in circles, he explained why it is a logical dead end to ask "why" a fundamental force of the universe exists. The questions of "why" any fundamental force exists or "why" life exists is not a question that science is even attempting to explain. He VERY clearly explained that science is only to and CAN ONLY explain the HOW as our technology and understanding deepens. Asking "why" something exists is a philosophical question that cannot be proven or disproven with logic or the scientific method. He isnt saying "i dont know" because again.... he is clearly saying "i dont care"
This is me arguing with fractions.
" ok we can say you have a bald head why did you go bald ?" 😆 🤣 😂
5:42 "we know more about why people go bald than we do about what gravity really is" the most intriguing and interesting assertion I've ever heard Rogan make on behalf of us all
But he is wrong. It is the opposite of what he said
@@glennbarrera8353 Wrong
Man! I thought the same thing!
Best reply rogan made to an extrem intelligent guest ever.
That's because gravity doesn't exist
Tom H Baited
At least joe has the spine to call out NDT. Most people would’ve just caved because “big brain man says no more questions”.
Joe wouldnt dare call someone out whose an expert of their field, unless Joe wad absolutely sure he knew what he was talking about. Luckily he did.
"Why? Because it IS..." Which just goes to show how teachers are scared to admit "We don't know". But they'll give students hell over using that exact same response, "Because it IS".
@@PATTHECATMCD I thought it was funny at the end when Joe, asked him for the last time "Do we know what gravity is?", and instead, Neil says, "No, were working on it." If he just said that earlier, it wouldve been over right there.
Haha LMFAO poeple stoopid FR FR!!!
true that
Gravity is the mass of the moon orbiting the earth and pushing it inwards if u put something in the waster and spin around it in water it rotates and puts pressure on it that's why the earth is not round it's egg shaped from the magnetics of the poles working against the moons orbit
That is not what gravity is at all.
Joe reminds me of the little girl from Louis C.K.'s skit where she kept ask "why" things kept happening, lmao. I get where he is coming from but sometimes, being too curious, is more of a determent than an advantage. As they say, curiosity killed the cat.
Detriment
Joe: Why is gravity?
Neil: why you bald?
Joe: Why does gravity work?
Niel: why don’t you understand?
Joe: why are you defensive?
Niel: why are you bald?
Joe: Why does gravity always win?
Niel: why do you even have this show?
Edit by popular demand: *Neil* not Neil. ....poeple these days....
Edit v2: For those who didn't understand the word 'people' was mispeled on purpuse....you lack a cense of humur.
Why do you spell Neil “Niel”?
jakeman025 🤣
Who`s "Niel"?
Good comment, but his name is literally in the title, lol..
Still get a like..
Almost spit out my drink lol.
Why do we even exist?
"Spooky action at a distance," actually refers to the phenomenon known as Quantum entanglement, observed by Einstein. Newton never said that.
Joe 100% described gravity in the question he asked. Neal the Schiel
Neil trying to explain gravity to Joe is like Joe trying to explain to Eddie why the earth is round
Down The Rabbit Hole , Yea, after this podcast I am starting to think this whole gravity theory is wrong. Maybe its just density....
One hell of a comment sir 10 out of 10
@@gial8862 Or maybe you don't know wtf you're talking about and you never finished high school. That seems far more likely.
i actually really enjoyed the banter and super insightful
But he didnt explain what gravity is i think joe braught this up because in a way gravity enforces life
Joe didn’t even ask why . He said “We don’t really know what gravity is.”
Nobody is picking up on this. Neil started with "why" Just to build a foundation for his ranty behavior and ended it with blaming Joe for wanting a purpose to life? cmon now
@@owl4446 When Joe kept asking why, that's a very common question religitards ask when they are trying to say that behind it all stands God. It's an argument they always use, and from videos I've seen of Neil they've asked him that countless times, and I'm sure in his personal life people have asked him a lot too. All I'm trying to say is that that question gets annoying after a while, I'm annoyed of it of just seeing Neil deal with it countless times in videos. I'm guessing he's probably heard it most of his life so I totally understand why he lost his cool a little bit, I knew the reason right away. Also he didn't know Joe's agenda, he thought he was religious, but when Joe told Neil that he isn't, and the purpose of Joe's question wasn't coming from there at all, Neil backed off as you can see in the video.
@@_Nosferatu_ nice copy and paste dude
0:56 following this logic:
"Sun goes up in the morning, warms everything on earth, then it goes down at night. And tomorrow it's gonna happen all over again."
"Is that all we need to know about the sun?"
"We know what it does and we can predict its actions. That's all the sun science we'll ever need"
This is even a bigger issue in Quantum Mechanics. We literally have no real clue why it is the way it is, and most scientists don't bother and just claim it's a philosophical question. "Shut up and calculate". Although some like Sean Caroll aren't happy just accepting it.