Super Smash Bros. Brawl - Bells, Whistles, and DISAPPOINTMENT | GEEK CRITIQUE
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- So, is Brawl a great Smash Bros? Or is it the GREATEST Smash Bros?
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We need Project M.
For the fans.
bro your channel is amazing i can't stop watching much love from venezuela
So... I'm still waiting for that Nintendo Revolution Helmet?
The Geek Critique now you are making ME not take it seriously
I only have 1 question for you. How did you not mention the Great Maze (AKA Grand Labrynth)? It was the most universally hated thing in Brawl, and it was a convoluted mess.
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U: You can no longer tilt the menu with the C-stick. 0/10
Benjamin Woodring Yep. Why do you think I haven't finished this series yet?
The Geek Critique I hear ya, man! They took out the most important feature!
mepose mepose You caught me.
I don't understand, A skillwall isn't a bad thing. I want to feel rewarded for putting in hours to learn advance techniques. For example look at tf2, rocket jumping is an insanely hard technique to use for new players but if you learn it you get a significant advantage over players.
It's a trade off. The more a game relies on skill, the more the newbies get schooled by the experts and that can sometimes be not fun- especially if you don't understand why you're getting your ass kicked. The more random it is, however, the more often it can feel like who won was totally arbitrary and unfair.
Since at least the N64, Nintendo has relied a lot on the "party game" approach. These are games you play with friends, family members, etc. They want anyone to be able to pick up and play quickly, which means that the least skilled player always needs to be able to stand a chance. Hence the rubberbanding in the Mario Kart games, items (and sometimes trips) for Smash, etc. Sometimes they go too far, arguably (the Mario Party series is almost nothing but random things happening), but they've camped out on that side of things.
Out of all 4(or 5 including PM) games, I have to give credit to Brawl.
It has the best music.
It has some of the most overrated music. Melee without a doubt has the best music.
nah man
Dan Drecun Yoshi's Island? Fod? Corneria? Battlefield? Better orchestra? Onett?
Corneria (Brawl), Planet Colours, Mute City (Brawl), and the heavy metal rendition of Gourmet race. I'm a Melee player, i fucking can't stand Brawl, but it DOES take the music trophy over Melee. That being said, music isn't enough to make up for a physics engine that is complete ass.
Actually, that honor goes to Smash 4. I mean, are we including past music as well, or just new to the franchise? Because Smash WiiU has almost all the best music, aside from some that were relegated to 3DS only.
Y'know, a full critique of Project M would be pretty cool, since development has been finished for a long time, there's no risk of an update invalidating it.
DarkLink1996 As a competitive player, I have to tip my cap to this guy for giving PM it's due credit. Melee never needed to be "dumbed down" the way Sakurai did for Brawl. It worked perfectly fine as a party game AND a competitive game. PM can similarly be played either way, and no one need argue about it.
It irks me that Sakurai is still 100% convinced this wasn't the case, and continues to model new Smash games off the Brawl physics engine. His argument is moot anyways; a competitive Brawl player WILL beat the shit out of a new player just learning Brawl.
@@nahor88
Actually... looking into Ultimate... It looks pretty PM inspired. Its incredibly fast paced, Smash Crew is essentially All-Star VS, Stamina being a standard mode means it includes the stocks that PM did, It's even got wavedashing, albeit in a nerfed form.
Ultimate may actually be the Ultimate Smash Bros.
DarkLink1996 The wavedashing in SSBU is a complete joke. Plus, Melee was far from just "wavedashing". A lot of non-Melee players don't realize that. No one is suggesting Sakurai recreate Melee (other than maybe giving us Melee HD), but actually take some time to learn more about what advanced techs Melee players discovered and implement them.
@@nahor88 But still, it's got the speed, and looks like it could be even more technical, with the changes to things like perfect shields. All that's missing is Turbo mode, and the Project M movesets and costumes, which will probably be hacked in at some point. Big Boss with PM Snake's moveset anyone?
Sakurai also doesn't care about balancing though. And that was the obsession with Project M. You could pick any character and be on a level playing field against any other character. Sakurai is fine with "Yeah, Ridley just fucks everyone up. Makes sense."
Man, Brawl is such a memorable game to me. It was the first game I got on release day, the first game that I checked everyday for updates on, the first game I ever modded, and the first game I ever saw a trailer of and yelled in excitement over something. The fact that I still go back to play Brawl every now and then is a testament to how fun and addictive it is. While I don't like vanilla Brawl as much as Melee, I would still take Brawl over Melee anyday. Can't wait to get my copy of Smash 4 though, that game will occupy my time for years to come.
***** Yep, pretty much sounds like me! It's crazy to play Smash 4 now, and think that six-and-a-half years from now, I'll still be playing it.
The Geek Critique Ya, Smash games have a ridiculous amount of replayability to them. I usually just keep playing the current installment until the next one comes out, and then the cycle begins anew, and that's amazing for a game series where it gets a new game every 6 1/2 years or so.
Honestly, I haven't even gotten past 3 and a half minutes into the video but that is legitimately one of the best announcer impressions I've ever heard
I know, right? I'm genuinely very impressed
I have to admit. for a good while i refused to watch this video, Brawl was always my favorite and i've been so used to so much of the community tearing the game up whenever i defended it. I was afraid you would too. But after watching your other smash videos, i decided to. You were respectful, objective, and understanding of subjective taste and quality. Great video.
Hey, I really appreciate it. That's what I always try to strive for!
Brawl is the abortion bro. sorry
@@zeroth3dark nope
@Awakened Virtue Exactly
Anything after melee is a disappointment
Super Sonic being OP may be a bad design choice - but at least it is in character.
CorvidDude Heheh, that's true. I did love hearing the exasperated groans of my friends every time I got the Smash Ball. Which was every time it showed up, because Sonic.
Sonic is so good in Smash 4 it almost makes up for what they did to Fox and Falco.
Ive played subspace like twelve times lol
King Daniel The Dandy ONLY TWELVE?
Subspace > Smash Tour
Eh the cuscenes were cool but after replaying it recently it has a lot to improve to become really *fun*, hope the spirits mode in ultimate will be what subspace wasn't
20+ for me
Chun the wolf everyone managed to beat Subspace, it's not hard at all...
A video that respects Brawl AND BRAWL MINUS? I am all for this
I miss the feeling Brawl gave me as a kid. The late nights, playing with friends for what felt like days, the general happiness of getting to play my favorite game on the system.
What happened? I hate being an adult.
Am I the only one that likes brawl's visuals huh anyone ok
I think that it's good for the art style to be consistent and detailed, but if you just extracted their textures in Brawlbox, selected main color areas, and upped the saturation in GIMP, the game would be 10% better.
Mario's overall's still look the most realistic in that game for some reason
Shadpio The visuals are nice, even today!
kirby kirby The visuals are well-done, but there is an element of subjectivity, because many think it's too desaturated.
Bleal Leal I can see where that thought comes from
I actually really enjoyed SSE, and have played it through from beginning to end 3 times. Am I the exception here? I even did it on the hardest difficulty.
I played it through even more than you, I think, lmao. Since it first came out, I played it alone twice, with my little brother at least twice, and then with three different friends once each. That's a total of.. 7 times, I think? And that's at minimum. Honestly, none of my friends were really as good at Smash as I was, and when it was just two of us, the SSE was so much more fun than trying to gimp my own skill level. The sticker customization was also awesome, and I just loved showing off these cutscenes to my friends.
Same. I loved Subspace Emissary and thought it was the highlight of the game. Granted, I'm a story-first gamer and normally not much of a fighting game fan, so it was one thing that was targeted toward me where most of the rest of the series wasn't.
Nah I loved that as well, and was bummed that something like that wasn't in smash 4
Jared Hoeft I played it through many times when I had a wii, the cut scenes and unlocking everything made it worth it
it was a tiny bit disappointing but it was a lot of fun. dripping with sakurai-designed goodness. I just wished it was more like melee's adventure mode.
Mewtwo wasn't replaced by Lucario. Yes they have a similar special, that being a chargeable projectile but they have little in common aside from both being pokemon. Mewtwo didn't make it into brawl because the development team ran out of time and had to release the game. Data miners found Mewtwo;s character code in the game but sadly incomplete.
Natural Samurai Dr.Mario, Roy and some leftovers of other characters names (because they were probably cut wayyy earlier) were also in the files.
For reals it's extremely annoying when people say Lucario was a clone of Mewtwo which is just like NO
Fake information you're trying to spread there. There's absolutely no proof that Lucario wasn't replaced by Mewtwo. Dr. Mario, Roy, and Young Link's character files were also found as leftovers. Were they also considered as characters? Absolutely not.
its this misnomer that infuriates me. people still say mewtwo was replaced by lucario.
if having one move in common makes you a clone: then they are both clones of freakin' samus.
yah. shadow ball and aura sphere are nigh-indistinguishable from samus's charge shot. except mewtwos is zigzaggy and lucarios is powered by how much damage it took.
its fucking stupid people are still saying lucario replaced mewtwo. or that lucario was a clone of mewtwo. just. ugh.
i love both, and am happy both can coexist without being thought of as clones. but its still stupid.
hell, *jigglypuff*, one of the original freakin' twelve, barely made it in brawl.
The funny thing about gaming culture is that the immaturity is all relative. Just when you think you've seen the worst behavior possible, the internet digs deep and shows you just how far the shame can go.
8:47 The Greek Critique predicts King K. Rool?
Brawl is my favorite Smash game.
TheRedCap30 It was mine too, until Smash 4. Though Brawl is still unparalleled in terms of its story mode and mod-ability.
The Geek Critique I love how epic it feels in all, if Brawl was the final smash game, I would have been happy about it.
I Hate Brawl
+Aidan Pritchard lol yeah pm makes it worth keeping if you're a melee guy. I also keep it though in case anyone comes over and wants to play brawl.
+mepose mepose I don't think melee felt like 64 at all, actually.
it wasn't just tripping. Recovery was way too easy, hitstun across the board was decreased so that combos were basically impossible, and what the tripping entailed was that minimum movement was the *best* and *only* option. Camping was way too strong, and overall players just have fewer options, even fewer viable options, enhancing the camping meta further.
Also, meta knight. Everything about him. He's the reason most stages are banned.
If Brawl hadn't tried so hard to be non-competitive (when players were going to make it competitive anyway) then it would still be the best installation of the series.
Ultimate might change that.
Ghost Royalty Truth!
Recovery being too easy is a bad thing?
@@captainmega6310 if it means no character has a particularly bad, linear, good, or complex recovery and edge game, then yeah, it can hurt the competitive qualities of the game. And that's what happened. Everyone can recover so it's no longer a strength or weakness you have to weigh in. A lot of characters were considered to have good recoveries in melee, but there were exceptions. In brawl, every character that had a good recovery was not as good competitively since their kit isn't as useful anymore.
@@eternalnausea that's really weird but take your word for it
@@captainmega6310 same concept as supply and demand or inflation, really. When there's an abundance of something, it's less valuable. If the abundant thing is really the only thing making you worth anything and now everybody else also has it... you're not really valuable at all anymore
Other than the tripping, loved Brawl. Melee is still my favorite, but two things made this game memorable for me. The Subspace Emissary (and those awesome cutscenes!), and Solid Snake. Metal Gear Solid FTW!
Bells, Whistles, and Disappointment???
TBH, this review turned out more positive than I expected.
I'm not the biggest fan of Project M. To it I say: "if ya wanna play Melee, play Melee!" But Brawl Minus on the other hand! That is some of the most fun I've ever had with a video game!
One thing I thought PM had over Melee was the character balance; you could play just about anyone viably. PM's kinda dead now but I do go back to it here and there when I get burnt out on Melee
yes
I knew someone who had Brawl mods installed, and we played some crazy matches of Brawl Minus. Especially on a few custom stages where there were so many walls it was difficult (but still possible) to score a KO.
Oliver Johnson I can't play Melee, but I can play PM. That's because there's more than one character, so I can play by my playstyle, and I don't have to fight with the controls because PM allows for turning off tap jump. That being said, Brawl Minus offers largely the same experience in terms of a balancing ideal makes matches more fair and fun. So which one you pick is largely based on whether you're a fan of games like Smash 4 or games like [Insert platform fighter here because they all play like Melee]
Something I found interesting about Brawl was something my cousin told me. He played Brawl competitively and told me that Brawl was "slower" and I thought that was really weird, because my friends and I, who were casual players, played so much more aggressively in Brawl. Our fights ended so much quicker than they did in Melee that to us, Brawl was "faster." I thought it was really weird that the change in mechanics made competitive Smashers slow down, but my casual group sped up.
I agree with this video 100% I had so much fun with the stage builder but, with Smash 4 building stages isn't fun for me.
+EmeraldBlade98 I'm glad stage builder is still in, but yeah, it's much more frustrating having to draw even the most basic platforms on the Gamepad.
Now that I've been watching your stuff awhile (since before I hinted about your existence to the Editor-In-Chief at Viitcha) I finally gotta come absolutely clean, since this video really is a fantastic showcase of this: Your skills in video editing and writing are absolutely exceptional and you will go far with them. I honestly envy you, as I lack both the skills and the patience to get even close, spewing excuses like "The editing isn't the point, it's all in the content of what I'm saying, the lacking quality of which is also not my fault as English isn't my first language".
I'm super happy we got you on board with Viitcha at least until a bigger site offers you a paycheck, 'cause in my opinion you definitely have the highest quality content on our site. That's if you even associate yourself with the site anymore. I'm kind of behind on the news, just got back from a 5 week hiatus with little to no interwebs. So... You know... Good job and shit... I guess.
Oh talking of Viitcha, thanks a ton for the news-articles and NDirect coverage you published while I was gone. It was a huge help. Truly appreciated.
Also, Life is like a hurricane.
HERE IN DUCKBURG! Thank you for this, so much. This is the comment I think of more than any other when I'm feeling less-than motivated.
I bought a camera in 2006, with the goal of making RUclips videos, but I didn't even remotely have the patience, motivation, or work ethic to actually accomplish anything. And I wouldn't find it for many years. Even now, I often feel like my quality-to-attention ratio is abysmal. I know I'm putting out good content, but getting people who have never heard of me to give me a shot is still a struggle.
But you clearly have a lot of passion for this stuff, and I think you have a hilarious sense of humor. You're right that you'll struggle with the accent when it comes to informational stuff, but maybe you could make that part of it? Like, if you did a video satirically comparing some completely unrelated game/genre like Halo or Mass Effect of CoD to DuckTales, giving the latter game the edge in every category and ranting about how glorious it is, that could be awesome.
Point is, no matter where we start out, it's going to be an incredible uphill battle. And if you feel like your efforts are better spent elsewhere, there's nothing wrong with that. I spent all those years bouncing from dead-end job to job, then earning a college degree, and developing the focus that lets me actually put together at least one of these behemoth videos at least once a month. But I enjoy your work, i enjoy your comments, and if you want to make videos, I know you can be successful.
The Geek Critique
Awwws, that means a lot to me!
Welp... That's really all I got. Sorry, we scandinavians tend to be pretty apathetic.
Other than that, I appreciate all the feedback, yo!
Get in contact if you ever want to have a dick-slapping contest. Or just something else. I'm not actually sure what a dick-slapping contest entails. Who slaps their dicks where? I don't know. But you know. Not about dick-slapping stuff, but you know, you know rhetorically. You know.
...I'm just going to... pretend this comment from 3 years ago was addressed to me... So I can feel validated and inspired to keep making my own videos. KTHXBAI. xD
9:17 Armada be like...
Stop! Tea time.
"Some say that Snake doesn't fit in with Nintendo's style" Steve has something to say about that
That reaction to the Snake codec ringing in captured the hype sentiment perfectly!
I think your're the best at making retrospectives in my opinion.
Saw this and your DK country vids, all great stuff.
You just got yourself a new subscriber!
"Multi user dungeons"
I understood that refrence.
Still love brawl.
I honestly wasn't a fan of Pit until the Wii U game, but really that's just because I put heavy stock in character, and Pit didn't really have a character until Anthony Del Rio's spectacular performance in Kid Icarus Uprising. After that, my reaction was much like yours. (BTB, KI:U was my favorite 3DS game.)
WOOOOAH THERE mister geek critique... I saw the title and thought... ugh. this video will rustle my jimmies. But you have pretty much critiqued the game for everything that IS ACTUALLY bad about it and the praised it for all the good things and changes that came... This title... Is like... Anti Clickbait... I wasnt sure what i was in for when i clicked the video man...
I did not expect the nostalgia and the little tear, that i almost shed by the 18 minute mark. Amazing!
Brawl is unjustly disliked by so many Smash players. I actually do think it's a lot better than Melee in just about every way. Were Hardcore players upset about it being "floaty"? Of course, but It was better than Melee's fighters feeling like they were made of lead. Seriously, there was no hang time in Melee. Brawl revived the air mechanics of Smash 64 and was all the better for it. It's also worth noting that Brawl added much better characters to the franchise than Melee did. 3rd party characters like Sonic and Snake were great, but it amazes me it wasn't until the third game that Wario, Diddy, and King Dedede were added.
L R this guy gets it
I think Brawl Minus got down the weight and feel perfectly. PM is generally more satisfying for technical play, but Brawl Minus was a good balance between not feeling like lead and being satisfying.
Liam Ryan exactly
Good, more fun for the people who actually enjoy the games.
So true, Brawl is my favorite Smash game. I played it when I was like 5... I mained (admittedly one of the worst) but most balanced overall character, Mario. Playing with him really thought me about the game so I'd get better, but the features and fun in between allowed me to have fun at the same time. And a lot of criticizers claim that Smash Brawl was aimed more towards "noobs" than the original fanbase. I quite frankly don't see the issue in that. I believe Sakaurai made an excellent choice in introducing new fans rather than leaving them in the dark. I keep hearing Melee fans complain about its "slow gameplay" and "floaty feel" and how there aren't all these specific techs, and deep character analysis to compare the exact benefit and disadvantages between 1 and another player. They treat it like it's a Pokemon battle. I wish Brawl could just be appreciated for the Subspace Emissary, and all the new fun things it had to offer. Rather than just tournaments. I'm not hating on the competitive Smash community or anything, it's actually entertaining to see talented individuals play the game, and I won't judge them on how they play Smash. However, there's no need on the harsh hate the game gets. I think we should all just remember the essence of Smash, rather than rank them from best to worst. To have fun!
oh wow I also still have the receipt in my Brawl's game case. Sweet.
Have you tried BrawlEx? This is how I play brawl now. With brawlex you can add up to 100 more characters, add this with project M and it gets to be a “make your own smash" thing. Look it up when you get the chance. I have Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow as playable characters already...
I really hate Super Smash Brothers, but I still play it, everyone that plays it in my family is competitive, I play it for fun, everyone else is serious about it, I HATE people who play it like that because it annoys me, I keep playing the games because I just want fun, and I barely have it because I have no one to play it with.
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MetroidSigma man don't u just hate people that want to get good at a game they very much enjoy? Fuck those guys. When people play a game seriously, like competitively, did u know they do that cuz it's fun? Weird right? How u can be serious and have fun at the same time? they aren't mutually exclusive? That's Crazy right!
Jagz PM Competitive people are assholes
God, I loved this game. SO nostalgic. I remember there used to be this "license to brawl" thing online where you'd make a custom ID with your friend code, gamer tag, (remember when we called them gamer tags?) And your smash main. It was so dumb but so cool.
It is interesting how I first greatly enjoyed 64 as a party game, but I desperately wanted a more intense/competitive game like Melee and when I got it, it was the best fighting game ever. Then when I played Brawl, even all of the fun modes they added made me feel bored and empty due to the much slower gameplay (especially with Marth and Roy having been my favorite characters only to find that Marth felt so weak in Brawl). Well, on the fun modes front, they ruined events, which had been my favorite part and they also changed Adventure mode into Subspace, which I did not like because I really enjoyed replaying Melee's adventure mode. Most of the new characters felt bad for me. I was dying to play Melee again and only my favorite character (Ness) kept me playing Brawl without getting too bored.
But after all of these years, I think competitive Brawl makes it look like I actually would prefer it over Melee. Just get rid of Meta Knight and there is a ton of competitive fun to be had once you figure out how to do everything effectively. Seeing something like PinkFresh's Lucas beat top Meta Knights is an amazing thing to see, though.
to this day I at the age of 25, still play smash 64. its the best party game. with hundreds of games, C.O.D, Gears, MK, mele, Brawl, and others, we still play smash 64. I feel the new games are great, but classic will always be the best. I wish they remake the n64 version. without changing a thing. I would buy anything to keep n64 alive. but that's me.
Do a project M critique
Watching this video, it was clear that you were the same kind of Brawl nerd I was. Staying up until 3 for new info on the game. Modding. You know. The whole scene. So when you mentioned the stage building, I couldn't help but wonder if you ever downloaded that program that lets you create stages in the game with more accuracy than you could on the Wii and save them to your SD card. You could pick where P1, P2, P3, and P4 spawnpoints were in your stage, and you could even use some pieces that existed as files in the game, but for some reason were not ever actually implemented into the normal stage builder. IGN also had a section of their website where you could upload your own stages, and download other people's and rate them. It was a lot of fun.
I never owned a Wii, so I never played Brawl when it was new. I just don't like it as much as Melee. It's WAY too floaty. I'm not competitive by any means, but Brawl just isn't as much fun to me.
The year was 2014...
And this video came out
Now I watch in 2019
This was a really great retrospective. Even as a mostly competitive player, I agreed with just about everything you had to say here, and it seemed like you covered just about everything.
adamtotheextreme Haha, yeah, writing the script for this one was a funny experience. I'd edit down a WHOLE bunch of stuff to make it flow better or just to summarize, then end up thinking of something else I wanted to say and bringing it all the way back up.
Subspace Emissary was my favorite part of the game, I played through it several times. The Wii U/3DS Smash Bros games feel incomplete without it, and I hope World of Light gives a somewhat similar experience.
Thanks for posting this great video! All of your thoughts are great since most people bash the game for not being melee. Keep it up man!
Cameron Mona Eh, vocal minority. I do think it's true that most dedicated Smash players prefer Melee, but it's only the ridiculous ones that take to outright bashing Brawl purely because it's NOT Melee. Glad you enjoyed the video!
The story mode was fun but it really is only fun for the first run-through. And going back for Wolf, Jigglypuff and Toon Link but then that's it. Making it and the event matches co-op was a great call though. Me and my roommate had a blast playing through Subspace Emissary and the event matches. Some of those mods look awesome too, I never thought to look for mods of this. Easily my favorite game on the Wii, in fact this game was the only reason I bought a used one after Tyler moved out and I wanted to play it again. It almost got me to invest in a Wii U for the next one but I'm glad I didn't now with the Switch coming out not too long afterwards.
Pit's last game before brawl was Of Myths and Monsters not the original.
OneRandomVictory I know. That's why I said Pit hadn't been in a game in 17 years, from 1991 to 2008. The original came out in 1986, so that would've been 22 years.
The Geek Critique Ahh, my mistake
Edgy Kid Icarus fan is edgy
Drew ZG *Icarus fan is wrong
I played it, it wasnt very good. Very bland, boring, and the first boss alone is almost impossible. Brawl was amazing
I can't believe I didn't found this channel yet you are amazing! Keep up the good work with videos and I will enjoy watching them.
The game was definitely balanced with items in mind. You just have to look at how awful Meta Knight's final Smash is as proof. Like you, I also feel like Brawl is the weakest in the series, yet I've put the most hours into it :P I feel so ashamed.
And to end with, here's some Brawl-sucks jokes:
- Brawl was a great game, but the multiplayer just felt like a tacked-on afterthought.
- The best part about Brawl is Project M.
- Tripping.
I mean melee wasn't exactly balanced either.
@@williamhuynh4363 at the least, melee fox has flaws, every character in brawl is unfavorable up against meta knight. you can bring any character to tourney in melee and potentially come out with results like top 8 if you're good enough, but meta knight is broken to the point of being the only SS tier in brawl. whatever balance issues melee has, brawl has it five times worse.
@@kiuyvy54208 At least then they could ban meta knight. Melee's competitive scene is seemingly the same few characters and everybody else pretty much never sees play.
Brawl Meta Knight is better then Melee Fox
As always, I am in awe of your thoughtful, accessible, surprisingly compassionate view of the gaming world: one in which pros and cons can happily coexist. RUclips games criticism is so much better for it. ❤️
A game that is played against another opponent, or opponents should always rely almost entirely on skill......
Sure, but at the same time the game shouldn't cater to the people who are better over the people that might be just starting. It should be a nice even playing field for everyone.
Its a kid's party game
Brawl was actually my first Smash Bros. game, and I got it a few years after it first came out. I also have never played Melee; I was given a copy at some point, but it was already too scratched to be playable.
As a result, I never had the "Melee mindset" plenty of other people had; Brawl's mechanics was - to me, and my friends - the 'only way to play Super Smash Bros' (we also played casually, not competitively). So tripping and the floatiness were never big issues for us.
I also really enjoyed Subspace, personally; it was nice to see all the different Nintendo and non-Nintendo characters teaming up to defeat a greater threat, and the levels themselves were enjoyable and interesting. From what I heard, the sole reason something like Subspace never made it into SSB4 was because "you can watch the cutscenes online", which is a really dumb reason, Sakurai.
This is an unpopular opinion, but Brawl is my favorite Smash game, its near perfection, had a complete cast, had an awesome transform feature, started how much I loved Smash, abandoned clones, and had SNAKE, SHEIK, AND ZERO SUIT SAMUS! RIP Snake in Smash 4, but those loading screens are horrible in the master piece section, Brawl is what Smash should be, HECK it even has an epic story mode.... that I still can't beat because I'm horrible at Smash, but I LOVE TGOSE CUTSCENES, AND IT HAS RAYQUAZA, IT EVEN INSPIRED AMIIBO, Brawl even started the stage builder that returned in the Wii U version
TeamThe Rayquazers
In my opinion Brawl had the best music, items, and overall single player experience. However it had the worst gameplay of any Smash game and a good portion of the characters are completely unenjoyable to play as, thankfully Sm4sh made it so that even bad characters could be fun to use. Another thing I have against Brawl is it's realistic graphics. The wii wasn't a powerful system to begin with so this concept should've been scrapped immediately upon conception. Instead what we got was ugly "realistic" graphics that don't go good with most of the cast anyways, as they are better suited for cartoonish looks (Kirby, Mario, Yoshi, Pokémon, etc.)
But like I mentioned earlier it's single player modes are amazing, something Sm4sh lacks. Honestly Smash 4 feels so goddamn soulless because of the omission of good modes or tarnishing them (Target Break, All-Star). Brawl is still has aspects to it that are unique, Sm4sh on the other hand will be phased out and forgotten because it fails at being unique. Overall Brawl is my least favorite Smash game by itself, but my opinion will likely change when I download Project M so I can play the single player greatness of Brawl while having good gameplay.
The only thing I hate about Brawl are the target smashes, how they aren’t character specific
Brawl is just hated because of a perceived mob mentality. You get fans of Melee that just screech at people because 'muh competitive scene'. And when you have a minority of players that are that vocal, people keep up on it. Even to this day Smash discussion just devolves into a flame war. The overwhelming majority of people who played Brawl enjoyed Brawl. They didn't notice the tripping mechanics, they didn't really care about Metaknight or infinite stuns being OP (because it took a certain skill cap to even pull it off). It's fine if people enjoy a certain game for it's competitive scene more than one of its sequel, but the grand standing is just people being turds.
And on that note, the WiiU Pro controller feels WAY more comfortable than the GameCube controller. The only reason you see the things still used is because of whiny 'muh competitive' people clinging to it.
Exactly, thank you!! I hate playing brawl with friends who get all "oh you picked meta knight? Wow free win lolol" but then have NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHY HE'S GOOD. People just read on the internet that melee is good, brawl is bad, and meta knight is Satan and go with it when they don't even know how to shield or roll in the first place 😤
Rabid Meese
Absolutely not. Nothing you said was even close to true and shows how you base your arguments only on your own personal experience, ignoring the Brawl community which was happy to throw it in the garbage bin the very second smash 4 came out.
It's a GREAT GAME but a terrible Smash.
"didn't notice the tripping mechanics"
It was the main thing holding Brawl back. It's been ridiculed and hated for the entire duration of the Brawl scene and one of the reason Metaknight saw such dominence. Half the cast was made useless in tournament by that mechanic.
"didn't really care about Metaknight"
They cared enough to ban him in over 50 tournaments over 10 to 12 months excluding locals. He took 80% of the top spots at every single events. Was the most discussed and hated characters. People felt forced to pick him and he killed the game for many.
"it took a certain skill cap to even pull it off"
You can learn to infinite within minutes of picking the game. Chain grabs and infinite decided wheter a character was viable or not. The skill argument is so invalid that the reason the brawl scene died is that the skill ceiling of the game was so low thousands of players could compete on the same top level. It was impossible for a player to be better since the game wouldn't allow more technical play.
The reason people still use Gamecube Controllers is because they are more confortable to most peopl and offer better control over the stick which is NEEDED to perform many techniques. Even among GC controllers, some don't allow you to perform certain actions because of a very slight offset. As well as a button layout which is much more adapted to a fast paced game (which every installment in the series is beside Brawl)
The truth is, people who LOVED Brawl realized it was garbage when they played sm4sh. The community disapeared overnight.
+Ramza, Your arguments has a lot of holes. By that I mean that a lot of the things you responded with didn't make a lot of sense.
"It's a GREAT GAME but a terrible Smash."
If anything, Smash 64, Brawl and Smash 4 is the closest thing to a smash game, which is begin a casual party brawler. It's what sakurai had in mind ever since the first smash game. If anything, that sentence would apply more fittingly to melee since Melee is more of the oppsite, as it is more competitive.
"It was the main thing holding Brawl back. It's been ridiculed and hated for the entire duration of the Brawl scene and one of the reason Metaknight saw such dominence. Half the cast was made useless in tournament by that mechanic."
It's not like melee had more than half of its cast becoming useless as well... right, right? You know, due to space animals meta...
"You can learn to infinite within minutes of picking the game. Chain grabs and infinite decided wheter a character was viable or not. The skill argument is so invalid that the reason the brawl scene died is that the skill ceiling of the game was so low thousands of players could compete on the same top level. It was impossible for a player to be better since the game wouldn't allow more technical play."
Within minutes. Just absolute overaggeration. If this was the case, you would def see more people online in Brawl back then attempt it, which from the amount of hours I played online, no one did. Don't give me the "well they are just casuals so ofc they won't". You overaggerated by saying that even casuals could do this from the moment they start playing and so that point still stands. The competitive scene died because of two factors. Project M was seen as a superior alternative for a competitive experience so they used that instead and Smash 4 was coming out.
"The truth is, people who LOVED Brawl realized it was garbage when they played sm4sh. The community disapeared overnight."
Not a completely biased comment from a nostalfag at all. Incase you didn't know, Brawl had the best modding scene of the 5 smash games, which is still used by numerous people. If you are gonna state something as "facts" you better have some seriously good claims to back it up instead of plenty of flawed logics and overaggerations. Also, you don't speak for the entire Brawl community. You contridicted yourself by calling it garbage but in the very beginning of the comment you said that it's a "GREAT game". I honestly wish I could find one reasonable argument from a melee fan but of course it's the same old bandwagon with the hate mob mentality of having to hate a game for not begin melee 2.
The replies on this comment are tragic so far.
This smash Bros was always my favorite. Yes, it’s slower than Melee. Yes, tripping is a thing. Honestly, I never had a problem with these. The character roster was amazing, with newcomers like Dedede, Meta Knight, Wario, Diddy, Sonic, and even Snake. And most importantly, this game brought forth my favorite stage of the series, Delfino Plaza, as well as my brother’s favorite, Luigi’s Mansion. This game is just a blast between me and my siblings. And yes, I have Project M, and it is equally as fun.
Sick Tpose My dude 6:08
>Assert dominance
>Win at the exact moment you do it
I loved this game. Thousands of hours spent playing with my friends. Have so many memories and my love for the story. I remember I didn't even knew how to roll.
This game pulls off what Smash Bros is supposed to be. A fun party game.
Colin McGreevy lame
But it could also be a good competive game to, why limit it to only a party game?
you mean 64
Because the creator wants party game not a competitive game, he thinks competitive smash is silly
MortalPuncher lol okay, but that would just be bad business tbh.... You can play melee like a party game, I bet a lot people did in 2001-2005... Versatile products that offer to multiple market segments is what you are looking for.
i just want to shout out the fucking amazing usage of the song Guns from The Rundown soundtrack at the start and how it unlocked hundreds of memories all at once, your channel absolutely rocks and i love your work and can't wait to see more
I think Melee will be my forever favorite. Is Brawl bad? No. Infact, I used to have runs of Brawl- with my friends, back in the day. Who wants to play an incredibly broken game? We do. XD
But there was something special about Melee's presentation, to me. Sure, menus and menus upon menus, but between the trophy room, the coin jackpot, rotating the menus with C (still), and being the first time I got to play my current character, Sheik (I previously played Link on the N64), it will hold a special place in my heart.
Honestly what made brawl so great was boss battles. I loved doing it so much.
I grew up playing Brawl and I wish I could have spent my younger days playing Melee and getting my fundamentals for a game that respected me
Syntax! never too late man, falco in melee is a blast. The combos are so fun... also melee falcon is soooo hype.
I found this channel from the mario karts video and I have been watching all your videos and I LOVE THESE SO MUCH!! You definitely earned a sub
Yeah...Brawl competitively is trash but at least its the tiniest bit more more memorable than the others...but in the end brawl competitively and casually was suuuper bad which is why people tossed it aside
"casually was suuuper bad" Implying that smash 64 is also casually bad because it was floaty and slow as well. Nice logic there.
brawl was my first smash game, my friend got smash 4 and said he didnt want his brawl copy anymore, so he gave it to me. i played subspace, was so confused, and slowly learned the game myself over time. now i play ultimate and teach my friends how to play the game as well, before then moving to a traditional fighter (melty blood). regardless of how fundamentally flawed brawl is, it will always hold a special part in my heart for introducing me not only to smash but fighting games as a whole
Melee is a more solid game than Brawl. More balanced than Brawl, and it doesn't have stupid game physics like tripping. I like how Melee allowed for fun/casual gameplay but also for competitive gameplay. With Brawl, that was kind of lost. Sure the fun was still there. But it's a less precise game and the potential for competitive gameplay was pretty much lost, especially considering the balance that was utterly broken by Metaknight.
MestariDuff
Melee balanced ?
lol
Not gonna deny that Brawl with meta knight was a complete broken mess. It def is, but for you to deny that melee didn't have the same balance issues is just incredibily dishonest and it makes you look like a fanboy. I can't really agree with the more solid part as Brawl provided such a content boost in comparison without much begin left out. Brawl def doesn't have the same competitive element to it as melee has, but then again, mods exist for that reason to forfill that dream.
I remember putting a lot of time into Brawl's stage builder. I had a few Final Destination clones (e.g. the stage is sloped, or a conveyor, or ice, or fall-through platform) and a few more-reasonable ones built for aesthetics, but I think my favorite, craziest stage ever was one I made *entirely* out of drop blocks. Hope you have a good jumping game!
Of course, I liked Brawl a lot better than Melee in almost every area. Falco was better differentiated from Fox this time around (not to mention Wolf), Wind Waker Link was better than Young Link, and I found a lot more characters to main. And its original score ... its central leitmotif was EPIC, definitely better than Melee and possibly still better than Smash 4's.
The only main things I dislike about Brawl were the Final Smashes (which I almost always disabled) and the Dragoon item (which I DEFINITELY always disabled).
I really like your vids dog but I've now heard you in multiple videos say "customability" and "customable" Neither of those are words. It's "customizability", and "customizable". Sorry to be that person:/
I loved all 3 of your Smash videos, as well as your other videos. Looking forward to when you finally do the Smash 4 video!
Ronald Maya Thanks for the compliments! Means a lot to me. I've already got a few notes for Smash 4, so it might not take too long.
64- a fun simple fighting game to play with buddies
mele- a game so buggy that it accidentally had a skill wall for competitive play
brawl- sub space emissary and solid snake
sm4sh- an easy to get into casual party game.
Project + is still refining Project M's gameplay AND Legacy XP adds a significant amount of characters like Metal Sonic and Geno in moderate yet completely appropriate way.
Brawl is definitely the correct choice.
Those 176 dislikes are melee tryhards
I give a dislike and always love Brawl ten thousand times more than Melee, SSBB is my favorite Smash game by far!!!!!!!!!!
If they didn't incorporate slipping and streamlined the Great Maze a little bit, I'm sure people would've loved this game way more.
Oh, and if Meta Knight's infinite cyclone wasn't a thing.
Anyone here after smash ultimate?
"Sonic has the most overpowered final smash in the game"
Tell me about it, it took me 3 FREAKING YEARS to beat this boss here:
I Wanna Be The Boshy -- Sonic [IWBTB]
Alienrun Oh man, that is AMAZING.
For me, Subspace Emissary was always fucking boring, i just played once to unlock the characters easily
TheNintendochannel64 I loved the cutscenes though.
Brawl is THE reason I got into Sonic, and the reason I'm a Sonic fan to this day.
"SUPER SMASH BROTHERS BRAWL... Melee was a game brimming with content"
lmao
Melee is still alive after all these years.
Oh shit it’s the one and only Saucy Pickle
That Legendary Frog reference around 10:45 made my day.
Melee's competitive scene wasn't impossible to get into, it's just not for the weak
And that's why there are people who hate it. Casual players can't enjoy the fun.
Acdlegend I didn't say it was impossible. I said it was impenetrable without hundreds of hours of very specific practice. And that's exactly why some people adore it so much.
KidSnivy96 u can still play Melee casually. The only difference is u can do both competitive and casual play and not just one or the other
***** I want to get into the competetive
sketting is for competitive AND casual
My soft spot for this game pretty much comes down to three points...
1) It got me through a couple of months of physical therapy and massage sessions that I despised - I'd visit the homepage and look at newly announced characters and stages before every session and then got the game for sticking with the whole thing at the end of it. My parents knew my weaknesses well.
2) Subspace Emissary was amazing with its cutscenes and the Rayquaza fight blew me away. I adored the campaign despite its flaws.
3) The control schemes. Oh boy, this game settled arguments at one of my friend's house that had been going on since Melee. Nobody had to use the NGC gamepads missing functional C-sticks and Z-buttons anymore! Combining two households of gamers, there were suddenly more working controllers than kids able to play at the same time. NGC controllers, wiimotes, classic controllers... Madness. We loved it.
I like this game a lot but I hate it because of that fake playable Geno leak, and that Dixie kong was meant to be in it, (Forbidden 7) but was scrapped. And she isn't even in the new one either!! Wtf!!
At the beginning did anyone hear the tardis dematerialising sound?
Brawl did one thing good. It gave us Project M to play!
Long live Project M.
lvl5Vaporeon the good thing it did was exist.
Project m is cancer
@@yoran4067 why?
Project M it just a silly Melee To Brawl mod. i never liked melee
After watching this video I'm now torn between whether or not Melee is my favourite. This video made me think back to my time with Brawl, when I new basically nothing about the Nintendo universe. This game introduced me to my now main, Ness. I know he was in Melee and 64 but when this game forced me to play as Lucas when I was doing a random competition with friends I decided to hone my skills with Lucas and when I went back to Melee I used Ness. I prefer some if not most mechanics in Melee however Brawl was my introductory game to the Smash series even though I had played Melee prior to it. I never figured out how to mod it but it's always somewhat intrigued me. I think I'm now going to put Brawl in and play it some more. Thanks and this was an amazing video as they always are! :)
PokeSoxx Yeah, that's pretty much it. Melee is better from a pure gameplay perspective. Brawl is better in a bells-n-whistles and character selection perspective. Which one makes for the better Smash depends on what you want out of the series.
The low viewcount on this video is criminal.
Adam Bibilo I know! I agree! xD
I also thought it was fun to do an experiment on who was the fastest
character in Melee by testing their run speed with bunny ears on the Big
Blue F-Zero racetrack stage. I believe the fastest my brother found was
Sheik who was the slowest to fall to the left of the track and KO off
the side. In Brawl, however, Sonic with bunny ears was so fast he'd
outrun the track entirely and KO himself on the right side! LOL we
laughed hysterically when we discovered that.
You fail understand brawl is just as hard to play competitive but in a different manner coming from a Melee player. Brawl pros will reck a casually player just as hard as melee as I've played pros (Nario for brawl HMW in melee) in both games and honestly was beaten horribly in both by the average competitive Player more so stop saying melee is harder and 10x harder to get good at.
Both take 100 of hours to get good into competitive and that's the thing with any competitive game and even you didn't get that. You think a competitive game even for a mess like brawl is easy to get good at just because it's not fast like melee? Then it's not a competitive game with competitive players if you can get good by not trying.
Brawl has a ton of tech and strats just like melee but much of it is boring to do and perform( the good techs at least).
Brawl is hard competitively but in a different way. And PM did actually make much of the melee stuff easier and added so much content to it. You can play as giga bowsers for f sake !
Ben Watson This is a good point. Casual players would get rekt by people who are super good with Meta Knight, like m2k, ZeRo etc. I saw JonTron at a tournament and he got completely destroyed by not even a top Meta Knight player.
While there is techniques..I know I tried and became the best at it in my friends..That play style is what separates it
This is a terrible argument. Just because it takes time to get good at something doesn't mean it is as difficult as something else. Melee is infinitely deeper than Brawl and that isn't up for debate.
Harrison Rich Yes it does😂
Harrison Rich
If Brawl was really that much easier than Melee, then you obviously haven’t played the game right. Even though Brawl had less movement options and more infinites doesn’t make it easy. There’s plenty of hard tech like Diddy’s banana infinite, icies chaingrab (which is stupidly easy to learn in Melee), DACUS, etc. If anyone could just learn these in a day, anyone could be the best at Brawl. Why else were the top brawl players rarely upset during Brawl’s prime? Not to mention there are top tier characters in Melee that you can play that require a lot less skill. People look at Melee and think Fox and Falco because they’re very technical characters. But what about Puff or Sheik? It’s rare to see HBox wavedash and he’s currently the best Melee player in the world. Both games are difficult but in their own way. That’s why Melee players didn’t like Brawl. It wasn’t difficult in the way they wanted it to be, and the physics of the game were different. It’s not fair to say one is better than the other because both are just so different.
By the way, if you think this is just coming from a Brawl fan, you’re wrong. I’ve played both competitive Melee and competitive Brawl and keep up with both (obviously Brawl isn’t played much anymore but I did follow it)
Your music choices around the 8 and 9 minute marks are prophetic! King K Rool's theme and other themes for the new characters in Smash Ultimate.
Brawl is an interesting game since it's such a fu**ing good game but it just sucks massive ass in comparison to the other smash games in terms of gameplay.
I think Brawl is actually one of the best games of all time, regarding content and replayability, just that when you've played the other smash games you can instantly tell what a downgrade it is. If you've ever only played Brawl you're going to have so much fun forever until you take the red pill and notice what garbage and unbalanced the game truly is.
There was this one stage I built in Brawl that my friends and I aptly called the Ike Trap. Ike couldn't jump out but every other character could. Believe it or not, Ike had a great advantage on that stage.
This wasn't even much of a critique, it was mostly a listing of the content in each respective game. You barely did an analysis on anything and used vague terms on a few occasions like someone saying a game was cool than go into a rant about the history leading up to the game.
This statement also made me cringe "it's not what I imagine smash to be." (paraphrased) Melee had a lot of wacky things in it and you could play like that. You act as if you needed to play Melee competitively. You don't need to play like that just as much as you don't need to play without items. Let's not forget that even in Brawl if you faced a better opponent you will still lose and if that opponent is significantly better than you get demolished. The only difference is the degree of which you can be destroyed and the amount of skill needed to become that good. For how much Brawl and Smash 4 cut skill based content all it served to do was make matches in which an opponent was better than you take longer for that opponent to beat you. At least in Melee if you were outclassed you would not only lose quickly, but in spectacular fashion giving you something to Marvel at. In Brawl you lose by a thousand cuts.
This is even worse when you consider that it made matches at the high level of play more boring to play and watch because you have less options of play and to master and matches are slow and lack energy which is a primary form of hype. Speed is a great way of generating hype.
Endless Frontier music? You are truly a man of distinguished taste
I love the quality of your videos and despite their length they have great pacing. I hope to open the door for collaborations in the future if I can overcome my obstacles and get my own RUclips Channel up.
Can someone tell me what the music is when he starts talking about Project M?
Project M Trailer Theme.
17:32 That choice of music made me wish that Haken was in Smash. Not that it'd ever happen, but it'd be cool.
We have to admit, Brawl's launch was absolutely epic. Picking this game up during midnight launch and blasting it up was one of the best gaming experiences ever.