Destiny ULTIMATES on Piers Morgan & Dave Rubin | Too Long Didn't Watch
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This is gonna sound real cheesy, but you are by far my favorite conservative Conor and I just love your content. I just super appreciate your voice in this space.
@@Murkshadow thanks for hanging out with us
Yea not a lot of reasonable conservatives content creators
I like how Piers sends Cenk away after dogging the conspiracy accusations, then immediately says “seems more than just negligence” when he’s in the clear. He goes right back to the bailey after hanging out in the motte
No contradiction. Piers says it Seems to him to be malice rather than incompetence, while Cenk accuses him of claiming conspiracy. He does no such thing, even if you can argue he's leaning his listeners towards a certain view, it's literally just based on the true information he already went over. Conor gives a good explanation for incompetence in all these cases, but the
aligning of so many factors for the shooting to go the way it did is undeniably rare. And Conor wasn't there either. So I have no qualms with Piers saying it "seemed" malicious, but of course concluding nothing, because he doesn't have that much info
when I hear Piers saying "it seems odd"
It sounds to me like "I'm just asking questions"
yea hes Jaqqing off
_”I’m just asking questions” aka I’m actually making a statement but I’m too cowardly to just say it so instead I shield my reputation by acting aloof & innocently asking “questions”_
No, JAQing off only occurs when there are actually answers to find.
In this case, there are very few answers to these questions, so asking questions is all we have.
I'm sorry, but for secret service to be this incompetent IS ODD. In the minds of most normal people, in the modern day, the United States of supposed to have some of if not the best protection services in the form of the secret service. If their weren't anyone raising eyebrows at this, it would be a tacit admission they think the performance we saw in PA is to be expected.
@@ciege7486Such a goofy reply. You just lack intellectual honesty or experience actually thinking about a situation instead of living in an echo chamber where agreement is taken as truth.
You have no idea how security typically works. You and so many others are simply assuming that because something like this hasn't happened before, it's because security was absurdly good that it prevented something from happening.
Have you ever once seen a full detail analysis of a rally where nothing went wrong? Almost certainly not, so you can't even begin to pretend that you or anyone else pushing these conspiracies know what is typical or atypical.
You're comparing a tragic event to your imagination and guesswork. That's incredibly useless to do. If they do an investigation and show that this rally was unique to the 100 previous rallies where no roof within 1000 yards was ever unmanned, where no local police were ever left in charge of a region, where a suspicious suspect had never been lost track of and the speaker was prevented from going on stage... Then the conversation of it being 'odd' should take place.
Assuming these things is why people like you think 'common sense' isn't a red flag for being uneducated and useless.
You should watch medhi talking to piers. He summed up destiny point more effectively then he did
Holy shit, hearing a conservative that hasn't drunk the Trump-aid actually heals my soul. Thank you, genuinely, for showing me that we haven't descended too far yet.
except... he's not a conservative... :-P
Totally agree, I'm a Destiny fan and while I think his statements were totally out of line, I think they've done a good job highlighting some of the hypocrisy among conservative rhetoric.
Thank you for giving a nuanced analysis here without allowing emotions to cloud your judgement!
@@Jungleehunter1330 there's no hypocrisy when it comes to presidential assassinations. Because no one on the left would be ok with right wingers making open statements about doing the same to say Obama or Biden.
Pretending that it's hypocrisy when the right joked about the Pelosi attacker is part of the issue here. Because the jokes were not in the context of a crazy guy breaking into the home and beating him unconscious with a hammer. They were in the context of Paul being in his underwear, doing drugs with a dealer and a possible gay lover. Who he let in the home.
At its best, conservatism is about reminding us that we can lose stuff when we change, and remembering the stuff we’ve lost when changes happened in the past.
The Trump movement is all about full steam ahead, who cares about subverting 250 years of democratic transitions of power. It’s not conservative at all
So many have fallen because of bots. Its insane
Destny being extreme to force public discourse to have uncomfortable conversations they would usually avoid. Im shocked
He just used that post sperg out to justify his insane ranting.
Love Destiny. Glad to see him feed that snake Rubin his own hypocrisy.
Piers stole Dylan burns hippie dippy panels 😅
What a wild week
1:58:55 Whats so funny about his "twitching in his seat" is how people use this "tweaking"/"jaw moving back n forth cuz hes on meth!" as the new personal attack on him all the time now, buuuut get this-
He said on stream yesterday that he actually had just woke up right before they started filming this lol (since the stated time got messed up since it was UK time). So anyone trying to use that against him here (or his Triggernometry debate with that Republican guy) just reveals their bias n are just being petty, knowing that he announced his Vyvanse prescription and trying to use that against him.
But also yeah, pretty crazy how energized n emotive he was when given no time to wake himself up lol.
1:20:42 If your enemy is using dirty tactcits to combat you and you're not responding in kind, then eventually the enemy will get the upper hand and you will lose.
This may sound very ugly, but when two parties are fighting tooth and nails for victory, rules of engagement become secondary. They effectively fight for their vision of country. For them its full blown war on words. And in war the only rule is to not lose. If youre a loser, you become a criminal shortly after.
Connor, I would love to see if you could talk to LoremasterofSotek and Andy Law, from Lorebeards. They do Warhammer Fantasy lore explorations. Could be a cool conversation.
The reason Destiny says if they will apologise for January 6th and Piers doesn't ask the other guests is because Dave Rubin has already excused the January 6th violence earlier in the show and tried to push away from it. So Destiny has "clear" grounds to be unhinged on this topic in return because of Dave and Piers handwringing fails completely to me because of the denial by Dave here.
i cant wait for piers morgan to start pulling in vtubers and destiny mods to debate losers from the internet bloodsports era
holy shit is that dog destiny lore real? If so that explains alot lmao.
I don't know about the part of the parents abandoning him part. But his mother ran like a day care or something which has other kids around his house growing up.
And the thing about the grandmother was that she became ill and the family was taking care of her while she was having health issues.
Him and Dr K talked about the dog thing. If I remember right, Dr K doesn't think destiny is sociopathic or doesn't have the ability to feel for other peoples suffering.
Because destiny showed growing up that he cares about people who are forced to grow up with less income and less financial ability to have more freedom and less problems.
It's just that destiny doesn't confide in many people or ask people for help, he enjoys having a stressful situation that he can navigate his way through. And he likes to learn from his mistakes.
But I wouldn't say he's a full blown psychopath or sociopath. He still shows that he can help others with things he doesn't need to to gain anything from. And many times he goes out of his way to make himself available to people who will be a taker and not a giver.
And I think what bothers destiny is when people put their insecurities on him. And want him to change something he's doing to make them feel more involved and getting more attention...
Personal diatribe nothing to do with destiny further...
I see myself as the same why. Where I am extremely giving with my time and things and would freely let people use a lot of my stuff and never expect compensation or a thank you or anything.
And if people come to me before a problem is too big and explain a situation while giving me time and the ability to decline or come up with a better plan. I am way less likely to be upset if there's some notice. And people can come up with a plan and follow a set plan.
But if my family calls me up randomly and says I need to go and do something for them at the drop of the hat. Then it causes problems if I have no ability to set a better plan or make time later or say I'm busy cuz I had my own plans. Then some people in my family would feel like I don't like them or that I don't want to be invited to go places.
But it's because they don't just keep things to be invitations to do stuff. And they don't talk to me about it until the day they want to do something. Where I'm ten times more likely to say No I'm not in the mood right now...
1:13:48 "...which would make you a liberal in a lot of circles and center left by a lot of definitions."
True!
I've been thinking about which ideologies would be right or left in an unchanging sense, not in the goal post moving sense and I've narrowed it down like this:
Far Right : Absolute Monarchy
Center Right: Fascism
Center Left: Liberalism
Far Left: Communism
What makes someone gravitate towards one ideology over another depends on what their primary moral value is.
For the Far Right, it would be meritocracy.
For the Center Right, it would be racial purity.
For the Center Left, it would be individual liberty.
For the Far Left, it would be equality.
Asking someone which one of this things they value more will tell you a lot about their political views.
The American Right is full of liberals, which is a left wing ideology, and the American Left is full of communists.
It gets confusing because liberals (Center Left) rebranded themselves as "conservatives" and "libertarians" and are considered right wing because they are competing against communists (Far Left) who rebranded themselves as "progressives" and "woke".
I use right and left to mean Traditional vs Progressive.
Those who go back further and want to preserve something so much that it becomes something which must be defended. Lean right wing. And they see threats as outside people who have no respect for their ways of life.
And then you have progressives who are more about setting new norms. And they perceive problems as coming from long standing institutions which they either want to change the goals of or they want to normalize new institutions.
So when I say I lean Right, I mean that I care about being practical, describing reality as close to a provable and repeatable model as possible.
Promoting personal responsibility for actions when people give you the most options to choose different actions.
Promoting and celebrating the nuclear family model. Strong personal communities that will help those around them with jobs, education, defense, etc.
Being financially secure with ways to invest in your own future. Having inherited family property.
Where left wing is usually in favor of open border policy, other family models that aren't the nuclear family. More socialized systems for finances and spending ability. Language that can change constantly. Blaming problems on rough environments. A want for the people to have more say in governments than the leaders. Etc.
I don't see it as bad for the left. but I can see where views on the left are less tested and less verifiable. They have more dreamers on the left who are more creative and color outside the lines.
And on the right you have those who continue in using traditions that no longer serve the best purpose and becomes outdated and obsolete or replaced by more accurate models for how we understand our reality.
To me you need a healthy balance of both. And on either end it can be more likely to be a bad thing to be on the extreme of either side.
Bad ass breakdown
You said Cenk overplayed his conspiracy hand, but when Pierce was pressed on it he literally played the “just asking questions” card.
That what conspiracy theories are. Drawing your own dots, and making connections when you don’t have all the info.
I think Pierce is smart enough to know his core audience will never catch that, and they get the confirmation bias they’re after by having a big show host allude to it.
Piers was absolutely playing into the conspiracy framework. Hell, the evidence is in the reactions of people who agree with him. He tries to be coy with him phrasing but the message his audience is taking away from it is exactly what Cenk (who I think is a loon) accused him of.
The comments from his supporters are wholly in the camp that this incident is way more than a tragic event and more likely planned or allowed to happen by they/them. So while Piers is trying to skirt around the words he's objectively saying he's very clear in his message.
Piers*
@@MarcusN-kp1jnWell fucking thanks for that auto correct 🫡
Yeah, I also totally disagree that Cenk was overplaying it- maybe emotionally/optically, but I think his certainty WAS warranted. Like, as SOON as Cenk left, Piers directly states "Im just saying it was odd and that makes me a conspiracy theorist!😡 That's a problem! I mean, this seemed to be NOT JUST NEGLIGENCE- this is something very strange!"
If it's NOT negligence, then wtf can you possibly be suggesting, if not a conspiracy lol? Had he JUST not said that one phrase, then he could have kept playing it off as "lip service" and Connor said, but yeah, that made it undeniable imo.
Asking your own questions =/ connecting dots. Can you point to one example where Piers or his officer guest connect dots, Besides the divine intervention comment, which is a nothingburger politically speaking
Keep it up
54:06 Stop pretending you don't know what a dog whistle is. He says in a vague way to give plausible deniability. That's the whole point of a dog whistle. People who don't know what a dog whistle is are either dumb or lying or both.
All people in this space have their talents, but you have an unusual trifecta of conservative, cop, and marine without falling into the obvious pitfalls or stereotypes people associate with that. You're truly a unique voice in this space, and I hope your many hustles pay off, I would be sincerely sad to see your voice forever obscured
07 thanks king
Idk why Destiny going on this edgy arc. It’s not as productive as he think. Feels like he’s just on the IDGAF mindset. Glad medhi gave his case in a better way. I will say Destiny recently bringing up Dave Rubin and Tim pool making fun of folks who were killed in the pulse night club shooting and the progressive dying from a homeless person stabbing us no different than what destiny is doing
That’s WHY he’s doing it. He’s forcing their hands and showing everyone their hypocrisy to damage their rhetoric.
The problem is conservatives don’t give a shit about hypocrisy.
I think thats his point tbh
@@cjsumm1796The classic "Jokes on you, I was only pretending to be a demented, short bus rider"
@@ciege7486I'm sure you fell for the Jewluminati. No? 😮
Is "Liberal"(capital "L") different than "libertarian"?
I don’t use libertarian because it’s become synonymous with ANcap
58:40 , i belive thats a hot take, but you right
i belive thats a hot take, at first i was againts, but when i think more about iti think i i agree , that it balances the power of the people, and the power of the govewrment
Destiny DOESN'T get to claim that he will only condemn an assassination if conservatives condemn J6...
For one Destiny has free will, his condemnation is not requisite on any conservatives positions.
And if he witholds his condemnation. It shows that he does not care about Violence at J6. It is a fallacious false dichotomy to only give someone one option to say you will do something else they might want.
What it does show though is that he will publically be in favor of presidential assassination attempts, because hes now lost any ability to defend any oath to the constitution. Or any loyalty to the republic.
you're not getting the point. it's that conservatives will continue to escalate their own kind of violence while never acknowledging their own. also the shooter was a republican.
@@SacredCASHcow what kind of violence are you talking about that Conservatives are going to promote on a political platform?
Democrats in particular are much more in favor of trying to say political violence is a good thing when they say they get to do it.
Fortunately there's still a lot of right wingers who say you are entitled to be secure in your own person and that they won't ever support using The State to redefine what your rights are.
Missed the whole point. Many have.
@@Chriscraft50 I can steelman destiny's position. I don't have to agree that it's making sense or a morally correct one... because It's a totally irrational argument. He's not giving a description of reality, he's not offering a prescription of ethics, and he's not promoting any morals.
He wants conservatives to call the 2020 election, fair and secure. And anything short is what he will falsely infer is calls to political violence and it being acceptable on the right by Trump supporters... Which is not a rational conclusion. Hence he's being irrational, and assassinations should still be condemned at all times if you ever hold the position that the only legitimate victory is by election.
When he says Jan 6 he is not just talking about the levels of political violence. And making a 1 to 1 comparison.
Conservatives have condemned the violence at the capital time and time again. Arguing that it was a good thing for Trump to request 10,000 national guard days before.
boring point but the Adderall would probably not be the reason the bounces around. Adderall / Vyvanse is given to ADHD individuals to reduce motor symptoms (see spurging). So if he is on it, he would probably be less figity. Its a common misconception to say adderall makes people figidty ect, it does not if you take it correctly.
Not much of a change from premeditated. He's always done that. They attack him personally when they can't defend their position. They love the name calling.
100% It's cool a bunch of people who don't know how medication works when used correctly are out here thinking their tweaker friend is representative of people being properly medicated.
Sympathy is feeling what somebody else is, empathy is understanding what another feels.
The definitons you found are garbage - I'm a nurse and we're warned thuroughly about sympathy in patient care, urging us to not do it carelessly and rather use empathy.
To be clear, I think you are spot on about Destiny seemingly being unable to feel sympathy. I am not confident in his empathatic abilities - he's just logical.
has anyone told you that you look a lot like Donut Operator?
@counterfireaway just fyi he doesn't take adderall, he takes vivance which is not the same kind of stimulant as adderall. his twitches come mostly from minute adjustments he makes to his posture, and what's pointed out more often than not, his jaw moving because he has a speech impediment he has to make adjustments for.
Those who engaged in a behavior have no right to complain about those who do the same. Destiny has forfeited his right to complain about this behavior.
Exactly that’s what he’s saying. He quoted tweets from the dude who passed saying folks should get over being massacred in nuclear bombings and some other edgy crap. He’s meeting folks like Tim pool and Dave Rubin who made fun of the guy in NY who got stabbed by a homeless guy because he was progressive and blaming gay folks for the Orlando Pulse night club shooting for grooming kids after their deaths. Conservatives like Dave Tim pool and even unfortunately the victim who make fun and blame those for the death they faced by others they disagree with and he’s joining them. Personally I don’t think this is effective but he has a point by pointing out the hypocrisy. Trump making fun of Paul pelosi for getting attacked and trump jr tweeting underwear and a hammer joking about it.
@@leftisbestpolitics as a Republican, I am absolutely disgusted by modern-day Republican rhetoric. I am all for calling out double standards, and pointing out how it increase the temperature. But if you engage in that behavior, I will not take you seriously when you complain about that behavior.
Throwing gasoline on a fire because the other guy started the fire is not the way. Yes hold the feet of Tim and David to the fire, but I will not allow sectarian violence to become normalized in my country.
@@Zuke89 The reason we're against mocking the dead is because we have established political norms in democracies. America is not just held together by its rules and institutions, but its norms of behaviour (such as accepting the peaceful transfer of power). Trump has broken those norms now.
Norms only really work when both sides abide by them. Now Trumples have violated the norms around political engagement, it makes little sense to keep following them.
@@Zuke89yea I think that was destiny whole point. He’s given up on Michelle Obama quote of when they go low we go high. Reason to play by one rules hence the majority of conservative prominent leaders calling all of us vermin, groomers, pedos, commie, demons. He’s taking from trump playbook 😂
Seems the point went right over your head. As usual they do with people of your ilk.
is it wreaked or wrought
What did I say?
@@counterfireaway I think you said wreaked but apparently both is acceptable. Thank you for playing along sir!
They want Trump to get the purple heart metal? Lmao, hiw about a purple ear metal.
Great review and breakdown of the argument he's making. I've also noticed that Destiny has sociopathic tendencies, during his whole "lefty arc" every empathetic argument people tried making towards him just fell flat and that turned me off from his content. So it's hilarious to see the same people who cheered that on be surprised now that he's being consistently socioathic lol. Anyway at least he's open about it, people like Dave Rubin who do the exact same thing but try to present themselves as some beacon of "civility" are far worse and more sinister.
even if he is a sociopath you can't discriminate against people just because they are. it's what you do that matters not who you are.
People who think they can psychoanalyze others and make claims about sociopathy are wastes of oxygen. You people are delusional and absolutely clueless when it comes to recognizing how inept you are.
No
Bad Logic chain... Your feelings or destinys feelings toward groups doesn't make your argument any weaker or stronger.
Trump making inflammatory statements justifies people getting upset and angry... It doesnt justify assassinations.
You are making the what was she wearing rhetoric to say some SA is justifiable. But replace SA with political killings outside of due process.
Imagine downplaying *trying to coup the government* to just “inflammatory statements”
@@AntiTheBird Conor was the one who said "inflammatory statements" in the section I was listening to. Because he was saying he wanted to hear how Dave and company would respond to what destiny said.
The point is that there is no time when assassination attempts ought to be celebrated or promoted. That is the point of having the justice system the way it is and it's the point of always saying you have to win by election.
You can't say Trump was trying to coup the government when he never asked anyone to go against the constitution. And he was asking the individual state legislatures, federal courts and governors to follow their own state constitutions.
What part of that is being misunderstood. On Jan 6 they wanted the state electors who were representing their states to not certify the votes... On the basis that there was no way to conduct an audit on the process as it happened and on a belief that there was a colluded effort from the States to ignore that they were not following their own decided process of conducting their elections.
It's true that the courts did not force the states to overturn their results. But at that point, every ballot and every form of identifying the voter for verification was separated. And all they had was a pile of ballots to count and recount.
There was no way to have signature matching, ID matching, etc. part of the problem was that the courts would require to show that a harm had been committed. And that there was some malicious intent to cause the harm to a relevant party and that the requested solution was reasonable.
So the end goal was to get 10 states to contest the results. And to delay the process of agreeing to certify all the states. And if there was a disputes result that the states wouldn't certify...
Then the Constitutional process is that each State casts 1 vote for who becomes president. And because more states in the union are red states, they would have chosen Trump.
So it's no Coup unless anyone was actually delirious enough to think that a mob going into the capital was somehow going to decide for the rest of the Democratic free world that their guy didn't lose an election.
@@AKABattousai no, the end goal was to get Pence to verify the false electors and ignore the real electors and recertify Donal Trump as president, it was clearly layed out in the Eastman memo. Throwing it back to the states was the *backup plan* if that failed.
Presidents are immune from criminal liability so I’m not sure the point of bringing up the justice system.
Yes, you can absolutely say that Trump tried to coup the government when you look at his actions as a whole.
Electors are a holdover from the early days of the United States.
Before telephones, the internet, TV news, etc elections were very much a local affair. Once an election was over it was the job of the appointed elector to ride on horseback to the Congress to report the results of the election in their area.
This is part of the basis of the Electoral College. You don't technically vote for the President directly, but rather for the elector that in turn votes for the President on your behalf based on the results of that election.
Today the role still exists but it's more ceremonial than anything.
During the last Federal Election a group of Republicans who were dissatisfied with the results submitted fake paperwork claiming they were electors and attempted to go to Congress in their state to report a false result of the Presidential Election. They were explicitly directed to do this by Trump himself.
When Trump directed his followers to go down to the Capitol, he explicitly directed them to protest until the right electors were confirmed. He asked Mike Pence to confirm the fake electors. As the violence escalated, Trump and Giuliani made multiple calls to members of congress to ask them to accept the fake electors. This is all in the indictments - it’s public record.
The fake electors were caught immediately and turned away, and many of them are now facing perjury charges. The coup attempt didn’t work (this time), but it is still an attempt to coup the government, right there in black and white. And if this behavior is rewarded by allowing Trump to get back into the White House, why shouldn’t he try similar tactics again?
@@AntiTheBirdpresidents aren't immune from criminal liability. The supreme court fully explained that there's different types of actions that have different levels that could be called official acts that would have a presumptive immunity and article 2 constitution duties that are immune because they aren't criminal acts if it's a presidential duty that no other office is capable of carrying out legally.
They wanted Pence to declare that he didn't know which slate of electors was a correct and accurate election results causing the dispute.
And Pence dismissed the other people and took the slate that was chosen by the states.
Legally he could have accepted either slate. Because it had happened before with VPs accepting multiple slates.
It's still no coup attempt outside of the constitution. As the roles existed at the time.
The Congress and courts changed the role of the VP because they saw that a loophole existed that someone tried to implement.
If you watch just destiny. How he moves reacts and such with the sound off. You can tell he is clearly having a break in sanity. If you saw a girl moving like him at a store you would think she was a Karen having a break down.
If he actually was having a break in sanity, I wouldn't be surprised. He is on a show with 2 Republicans, after the Republican nominee got shot by a registered Republican voter, and Democrats are being blamed for it. The difference in the level of divisiveness in Trump's term Vs Biden's is night and day.
😂 Ah yes, the D- student armchair psychoanalysis...
Sure bud.
Destiny is unhinged and I certainly hope his career peters out from here. Guy is a joke; his entire view relies on all conservatives being a monolith whom all believe what only the very bottom-feeder portion of the right wing believes.
He's great at talking fast and being loud, but he's lost all nuance in his political viewpoint and it's not great.
Unfortunately for you Destiny's follow count has only been growing since this panel. I know because I'm one of those people. At last, I have finally found someone in politics with as much intellect as he has entertainment to offer.
Your summary of him is terrible, it's pretty safe to assume you're big mad and full feigned outrage.
@@JRuni0rHe never paraphrased lol
@@peanutgallery4 Fixed.
Your psychoanalysis is so cringe worthy.
Yeah. Why?
people have a hard time not being defensivve when the talk to the gnome. something in his voice lol. iirc destiny was mildly talking 3/10 mr bonnelli with a normie maybe OF girl then she asks why he is bullying her lmao
What in illiterate are you even trying to say? Jesus Christ, open a book...