New Patch TEMPEST Cheese is BRILLIANT | Cheesiest Man Alive (StarCraft 2)
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Shooting balls from the sky and shooting balls from the ground are two major Protoss strategies
I think toss is just about shooting balls. Do they have any other units?
@@currypancake208bro we got probes
@@currypancake208 Dont forget the cannon also blasting its balls everywhere.
@@godturkey4098that’s the ground balls
Remember dragoon’s were the masters of ball tossing
This is one of the best Cheesiest Man Alives yet. Most of the CMAs seem to be moderate cheese turning into just another macro game, but that last game was proper cheese worthy of the title of Cheesiest Man Alive - cheese layered upon cheese layered upon cheese. More like this, please!
wrr
layers of cheese, very good taste indeed, keep the stack of cheese coming
Harstem: "what is this guy doing? scouting this early is completely eediotic"
also Harstem, cheesing him and completely justifying his early scout:
It's na server. They have to scout early vs toss.
Phil Helmuth PokerStars rants type of vibe.
29:54, look at the viking at the far left. Some nice bug with the map.
*plop*
It's over Anakin, I gained the high ground!
wrr
Vikings are known for their hiking skills
Harstem literally reading mind, predicting and telling every move of opponent in last game is really something else
wrgg
These poor NA players having to deal with European pros while the patch is only live in NA
the "poor NA players" put up *QUITE a fight* , I'd have to say...
I'm from Europe.
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na players after massing drones (can surround marine with mineral walk)@@kurzackd
@@tomaselninjapro2160 ..what?
wrr
Harstem 17 hours ago: Good protoss scout the terran wall with probe scout and shade to check for early reaper or reactors.
Harstem now: Never scout the wall. Take damage.
hamster moment
You don't scout when you proxy
Harstem slowly turning into Florencio.
Haven't watched the vid yet but i gotta say tempest cheese is probably my fav crazy cheese both to watch and to play
Achievement unlocked: Adverse Possession! (Mine your opponent's natural for at least five minutes)
As a Terran this is what I was afraid of with the new Cyclone. It still isn't going to be a good midgame unit, and has completely lost that early game defender role. We're going to end up making 2 Vikings every game
This exactly. It has no utility now.
I think it totally destroyes Stargate into Oracle openers în PvT
@@mihairo83 Yep, I'm pretty sure completely shits on that "standard" opening, which mean the only stable opening now is blink stalkers. Any SG play might as well just be cheese since if opp has the right response, it's just as bad.
Every time you loose a worker an angel dies somewhere in the heavens. It’s awful, absolutely awful 😂😂😂 36:18
this was amazing the final game is a crazy kicker
29:55 that one viking climbing the cliff lol
Thoroughly enjoyed today's edition of Cheesiest man alive! That last game was really fun to watch and your commentary is top-notch! You are a content monster!
13:37 gg at exactly this timestamp makes my 90s gamer heart happy
For the early scout. I guess he was trying to skip the reaper from the begining. Thus sending an scv early for scouting and the baracks goes straight for reactor.
When you forgot to pause Ebay building:
"Might as well use it"
at 29:56 anyone else saw that viking walk up that pillar?
That last game was hella fun to watch
That first game against the terran player, I could feel his pain of wanting more units and have no ability to produce any lol. Reminds me of times I want to jokingly spout out no rush 20 minutes.
At 29:54 the vikings gets pushed up onto the pillar?!
Get someone who looks at u the way harstem looks at the tempest
I love how the only change in pitch your voice has the whole first game is *he doesn't GG* lmao
wow that last game was absolutely wild
You should be named concrete, that’s some solid games
33:35 let's hope he doesn't see your probes returning golden minerals that could only mean you're mining a proxy base the other side of the map xD
new patch recently dropped on asian servers, but there's no localization at all, widow mine upgrade description is also un-updated
to be honest that barcode hard-counter terran looks fishy to me... he starts the scout as captain throws down the 2nd gas, then reactor before scouting sees anything, and directly goes to the proxy stargate... maybe it's reasonable response out of an experienced 6k player, but it's so smooth and pin-point that I almost felt it's a hacker trying to disguise
I have the feeling that barcode player is Uthermal ....only he is this cheesy
@@staniobadjo hhhhh that actually makes sense
that last game was so much fun!
Dangerously cheesy ❤ love your videos!! Thanks for the narration and audiable chocolate. Buttery smooth.
hey harstem, you are a special guy, stay lekker! love your self reflection .)
Second game, that walled in adept was amazing, that’s a seriously underrated strat. So painful to deal with as zerg
Last game was so dumb haha, love it
That poor guy. Imagine being 5k and relatively confident in your mechanics. You're just figuring out the new patch and finally finding the right answer to an annoying new cheese. Your reaction is completely fine but then you still loose, simply because you cannot keep up with a pro player.
I know Harstem isn't doing it on purpose but it must still suck for those on the receiving end.
Also I guess it wasn't just Harstem. At this point in time NA must have been flooded with foreign pro players.
Having half a hundred pro players rushing through your MMR range must totally feel like, 'well let's try again in a week and see if they're gone'.
This is not fair. Terran units are supposed to outrange the units of the other races. It's just the rule. How are terrans supposed to be competitive if their units aren't better in every way?
Clearly the balance council's fault that the Terran players didn't "GG" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Terran IMBA!
Protoss OP!
Zerg ... something, something
True, true... 😂 lmfao
last game was intense!!!
This was a big day for the denominator of the GG counter
19:00 i don't understand, you knew he was gonna do it. Why rally it into the cyclones then?
Amazing last game to finish it out
Watch to the end, the final game is wild
i was just thinking about proxy tempest dude how are you so fast
he threw that one, he could have killed your fleet beacon and last tempest at least a whole 60 secs sooner, just had to commit the vikings
turret range?
Are you playing on a mod or on the NA? The patch is not online yet in the EU.
Insane last game, nice video
did you eventually check, which upgrade it was?
MORE TEMPEST RUSH PLEASE
A little early for an April fools patch.
I see cheese - I click.
Tempest opener OP confirmed
last game was a banger!
why not just build 2 base tempest and focus on denying scouting with no proxy? The surprise isn't the speed the units get across the map, the surprise is the arm composition so the extra 6 seconds are no big deal, and you get more mining the whole time
Tempests do not cross the map on 6 seconds, try 30 to 50
Batteries and reinforcement time, also it's a lot longer than 6 seconds for a tempest to move fully across the map.
@@zardecil9419 yes you still need to proxy the batteries. The proxy still takes time to get across the map, so the difference is not much more than 6 seconds.
@@zardecil9419 I just timed it. The difference between a common proxy location used in this video and the natural is about 15 seconds. Not worth all the money you spend trying to keep the proxy alive. You can just build extra production structures and be much better off and macro out of it if it fails instead of losing all the stargates.
@@AntiDoctor-cx2jd building extra stargates means less gas for tempests, the only production you're getting with the minerals is gateways and zealots, maybe warp prism. Battery + pylon is more helpful for the push, the main cost is multitasking
last game was awesome
Scouting barcode players very early is a good paranoid move imo since you don't know what they are up to.
Plus if they are doing something sneaky they'll get annoyed which adds to the mind game
I probably have no clue what I'm saying and this is probably just my low elo mindset
Harstem, if you were fast waping pylon i want to be your gate
Looking forward to seeing the weird bandaid patches to address Tempest's 3 shotting this new Cyclone, which is fairly silly.
But then they are already on the slippy slope of re-calibrating the whole game to suit this latest version of the cyclone, bad idea.
Yea at this point remove the damn cyclone..its the mech reaper, good early on then basically useless except for cheeses...and every attempt to fix it has made it OP or just bad.
Tempests did not need this buff. They're already awful to deal with. What do you do against it? Only thing I can think of is kill the pylons before the first Tempest is out.
Build a raven and vikings interference matrix to shut them down and then run them down with vikings
Just open with blind interference matrix bro!
@@chloesmith4065 no need to go in blind but if you have 1,1,1 already built then you should be able to add a second star port with a reactor for vikings with your first on a tech lab for the interference matrix. If you go triple rax opener I guess ghosts for emp with your marines
Idk... marines, vikings, thors? Raven helps, cyclones help...
🤔 ... and I was so eager to try my BCs... every game. I wish those damn Tempestes were never invented...
Cap, you need to go back and look at the replay to see what was researched in eng bay. Please post in the comments, don't leave us guessing.
Nice onslaught.
That last game was disgusting gg’s
I think if you mirrored your opponent taking a proxy base when he did you would have had the advantage
Sick games
New Mass Tempest is going to be so much more annoying than they already have lol.
10:35 if zerg didnt gg when they get cheesed, they'd never gg
I find it kind of weird that you even insinuated that this is a buff in any way Vs tempest
Yes you get more but they are sad
Es ridículo que un terran pueda sobrevivir con una base a costa de las mulas.
Cyclone buffs???? They have been nerfed into the ground!!
But was it turret range?
I wanted that last guy to get rekt so bad. He annoyed me for some reason.
Man I wanna do this on the ladder too
love tempest cheese
12:07
Why is European server not patched? How long do they need?
Shoulda killed the reactor on the starport
At 18:10 Harstem had the money and the time to just build some cannons at home. No more threat from cyclones, easy win.
I think cyclones outrange cannons once they lock on by 1 range
@@Wwillswords Yea, but high ground makes it harder and a ramp block might even have been possible, at least for a little while.
@@courageousmelon5654 fair enough
Is this patch live or still in testing ?
No-one knows...
What a game
GG
Dang u should have done one more pretty good harstem
Wtf how
On last game you were lucky he didn’t Commit whit vikings on your last tempest … you would have lost… also, should have built stalkers way muuuuuuch sooner…
Cyclone buff??? Lol
He supply depots are easier kills
captain i have just this very moment thought of a balance patch that could fix protoss vs terran! it involves the high templar and disruptors! what if... disruptors balls cost MANA and high templar storm was on a cooldown!?!
Ofc u don’t „gg“ to cheese
What a bastard that last guy is. he's so lame scouting so early. I bet he thought he had you by the balls and im so glad he lost. Double viking production lol.
I really hate the tempest buff. It doesn't really help protoss' late game. It just makes an old cheese way harder to defend. Combined with the cyclone rework, almost impossible if unscouted. Super BS. Worst change in the new patch for sure.
It's top 3 that's for sure. I feel like cyclone rework and baneling HP might be worse
Yeah please change the cyclone back to the way it was. It was a pivotal tool in defense against rushes like this, void ray rush, bc rush, etc. and honestly it doesn’t feel better in battle mech after the patch, so it’s just a fail. Useless unit now.
Early scout is likely a reaction to be cheesed so often, so not "idiotic". Getting mad about it isn't rational, either. Reminds me of this dude in a Hold'em game that called my bets with a high pair while I had low 2 pair and won and got mad because my bets "didn't make any sense" yet he lost by calling my bets LOL
Hope protoss players finally stop crying with the new patch 😂😂
honestly, that last game was a bit painful to watch with Harstem's *TERRIBLE control* and failure to close the game ASAP...
Didn't it cross his mind when he started sieging up that STARPORT, that as soon as SCV's had arrived to repair, he should switch to A-click instead, so that his Tempest can acquire them SCVs?
*EVEN AFTER HE GOT THE ORACLE AND HAD COMPLETE VISION OF THE AREA,* he STILL failed to focus SCVs once they started coming into full range of his Tempests to repair Port.
31:54 -- look at this... he sees that the oppo's Vikings have redirected northward to save the N-East base, and yet *he makes NO MOVE against the Terran's main even though it's empty... -_-*
Bad, bad Harstem... Poor. Weak. :P
*P.S.* EDIT: oops, I also forgot... going for *ship WEAPONS* upgrade instead of *the OBVIOUS **_ARMOR_** and **_SHIELDS_* when facing VIKINGS... it's just NONSENSICAL... ~_~
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You mind linking your aligulac?
@@Manoplian .. what? O_o
Is this sarcasm? +1 shipweapons vs vikings with tempest is a major deal while armor upgrades do absolutely nothing. This whole comment is written like some 3k player with no idea about anything, but I might be falling for a joke, it's hard to tell with youtube comments sometimes.
@mothralurker778
The bold and caps indicates irony to me.
@@MWTan-nr6zl Nah, I think this is legit. Games like SC attract some very autistic types. You see the same thing in the chess community.
And the cheesiest man is who? Why do I have to guess? Please, clarify. Thanks.
terran fgs not gg'ing while playing broken cyclone and Zerg chad gg'ing.
lol
Cry more
Bronze energy. Go fill out an Iodis
@@hentaidude666 Bronze cause terran pigs didn't gg? Start using your brain, i'm 3,5k EU btw
@@offensivebias8761 Terrans crying cause can't gg. Im pointing that out, start using your brain
Yeah!!!!
Make Protoss great again!
❤🫶✌️
new cyclone sucks.
Yeah I don't get it. I tested it and it just feels useless. Now it's just a normal, cheap non-specialized unit, basically just a marine for mech compositions. It used be this expensive and situationally effective unit that worked if you used it well against certain things. Now "look at me I'm kinda shooting on the move! TOPTIER MICRO!!" While really it doesn't even matter, it's just a unit you mass out of a reactor until you get enough of real mech units.
Mechu players deserve their marines too
@@Avermrathe issue wasn't mech wanted marines. It's that the specialty rush counter got changed leaving a big vulnerability for T, unless they rush vikings/raven.
somehow they're much better vs zerg, running along the map and harassing. They're just faster, tankier marines at this point.
It has become a shittier diamondback