You could use the seed phrase words and write them in to a story using a seed word every 4th word. You could store that in the cloud with other stories to disguise it... I also write my seed phrase in backwards order just in case .... Just a thought ....
So many times, we think about the benefits of a product rather than the ramifications of buying that product (a sign of the times I guess). I didn't really think about the angle of a government or other unsavory types hacking the company's customer list and knowing who bought the product. It's not like this rarely happens. It happens every day! This is a cost effective, efficient and elegant solution to the problem. John Chow - Thank you!
Great video and great advice. Is it fire resistant? What is it's melting point?I just looked it up, in the hottest part of a bushfire the temperature reaches 1600C at its peak, this is where the vegetation is turned into gas and the explosion occurs, so basically the capsules will melt and seed phrase is gone, The hottest flames are 1100C so no problem there. The 304 Stainless Steel washers are good for 1399°C - 1454°C. So a little less than the capsule but in the end both will melt in the hottest part of a bushfire or house fire. Simple just keep 2 capsules in separate spots.
Best is to keep 3 on different Spots but only with 16 words each(1-16, 17-8 & 9-24). So of you lose One u Are still able to have all words with the other two
I like that idea. Another tip to save time would be to only stamp the first four letters. Most seed phrases are BIP39. Also you could use a cipher for your words so if anyone found your backup they still wouldn't know the words unless they had the lock.
great idea, and so simple an inexpensive. one could even hide it in plain sight ie put it into a wall or beam somewhere where there are similar bolts used and hide the washers behind the beam or in the wall. only with half the words, though..
Sorry for m’y english. - in case of high température fire, could aluminium and steel mixe ? - it is more secure to buy at ledgershop, but there custumers datas were hacked already …
I just looked it up, in the hottest part of a bushfire the temperature reaches 1600C at its peak, this is where the vegetation is turned into gas and the explosion occurs, so basically the capsules will melt and seed phrase is gone, The hottest flames are 1100C so no problem there. The 304 Stainless Steel washers are good for 1399°C - 1454°C. So a little less than the capsule but in the end both will melt in the hottest part of a bushfire or house fire. Simple just keep 2 capsules in separate spots.
FOLKS! 1. get 4 steel wheel plates 2-3 mm thick with 10mm hole in the middle for a bolt. 2. you can adjust diameter of plates for your needs! plate 1- 86mm diameter plate 2 - 74mm diameter plate 3 - 62mm diameter plate 4 - 49mm diameter 3. lay them on top of each other like pyramid the biggest at the bottom 4. divide them into 24 section 15degres each with marker pen. 5. stamp in every section of each ring one character on each plate from outside in or the opposite as you like with 4 characters for each word. 6. when you are done put it together with a 10mm bolt and when all words are readable make a tiny incision on the edge of each plate, where ever you like, and remember what is the RIGHT position of these incisions because this your - KEY TO YOUR SEED! count self how many combinations of the incisions in right order/positions there is when you have: 4 rows with 24 characters in each row, and the all 4 incisions must be in right order/position. tell me if i'm wrong ha! ha!
Genius idea. I’m definitely going to try it out. My only question, how would those Home Depot washers or those generic capsules hold up under fire? The Cryptosteel Capsule is suppose to be able to withstand up to like 2500 degrees F I think..
Great idea! How long should the bolt be for 24+2 washers? 26 washers at 1.6mm each + about 5mm nut would be 46.6mm so I'm thinking a 50mm bolt should be good. What's the inside measurement for the capsule?
@@TreyMcClain1 hey, I ended up buying the parts but haven't gotten the jig to actually complete it cuz I've been considering getting a 3d printer. I got the 35mm bolts, the nut is 6mm, and the washers are 2mm each. It can fit 15 washers with the nut up on the edge. I went with 12+2. 12 front and back and then 2 extras as a cover. If you want to go 24+2 then I'm guessing you need 60mm bolts or bit longer if available (at 58mm the nut would be up on the edge).
@@-GonZo Thanks for the response! I plan to go front and back, so I'll probably go with 35mm. Just wondering how the shorter length will do in the capsule, as I like the idea of storing them in there. I'm guessing there will be a lot of movement, which isn't terrible except for the metal on metal noise. May just put a felt pad on each end to minimize that a bit.
Huh, I find it funny when I went to the link to the Amazon HRX Package capsules, at the bottom was "frequently bought together" with the HRX, washers, and a stamp kit. So, Yea, AI will beat you every time. That said, still a great idea.
This tool is to be used a seed phrase BACKUP. You still need a cold wallet to create a COLD seed phrase that is not connected to the internet (unlike creating a seed phrase from MetaMask/Exodus).
The washers are 2mm so you have to do the math for the washers you select. He appeared to be using a 60mm bolt with 26 washers. If you stamp both sides, you could use 14 washers (w/cover or ID washers) on his (specified elsewhere) 35mm bolt.
They are not case sensitive. They are from a known list of words and all you (or the software) has to do is to identify the right word on this list. You don't even have to know all letters of the word. The first four are enough.
@@MotoTTZ Thanks. I'm just getting ready to punch some washers. I'm glad it doesn't depend on lowercase or uppercase letters. All I have to do is identify the words and their order in the program. I admit that I have not yet done a reconstruction of the secret phrase on the Ledger nano X. It saved the phrase but I did not do a restore rehearsal. Thank you again. I will hit hard in the washers :). I also ordered a jig in Romania. All good.
What is your thoughts on splitting your 24 word seed backup into 3 parts 8 words each.... A B C. You keep A & B on one DIY backup, A & C on another and B & C on a third. Keep in separate locations and would guard against physical theft or spying as they would need 2 out of 3 to get all 24 words
Yeah not recommended, if you want to split the key into different locations, use Shamir or a multisig wallet. By splitting the key as you describe, you reduce the security of your recovery words. So if somebody found one of your 3 stashes they could just brute force the remaining words very quickly and not need to find any other stash.
@@vicpinto1970 True haha.. but I think the better point is, that if you're going to create duplicates for added security, there are better ways of doing it like the Shamir method. You could also do something clever to trick any would be thief.. here's another idea, pull up the full word list for your key type, like bip-39, and instead of using your real words on your backup washers, use the words above or below it in the list by some metric. So if I made this I would only have to memorize that i need to subtract my word list by 4. So if my backup said the word "again" (38th word) the real word is "aerobic" (34th) and so on for each word in the backup. If they find and try to import your wallet, they'll think they have everything they need, but it simply wont work and they'll know you did something but not what. If they somehow know you used this method, they still have no idea by what plus or minus they need to shift the backup list to solve it, and there are like 5000 different possibilities so they'd need to create a bot to try each possible shift to brute force in. You could also scramble them in a non-uniform way drastically adding to the difficulty, as long as you can for sure memorize the method and not write it down obviously anywhere.. like first letter will shift up by one, next down by 2, next up by 3, etc.. whatever you want that isn't easy to guess but is easy to remember yourself. Honestly I think unless we've got many millions $ in crypto and some serious enemies like the government or crime bosses then the regular backup is probably fine, but it is fun to come up with ideas for worst case scenarios. Also if you die and there is real money there, you want to pass it down and your spouse or kids won't get the money if you make it hard to decipher.
You did the letter separating on the original the wrong way. On the original and you are literally telling the world if you need my seed just look for the washers. And how much did the tool to press the letters on the washers cost? If anyone wants to find out where you store your seeds all they need to do is look for the DIY washers smh. Really smart man you are. Cheaper its not always better some people have learn that the hard way. Juts to save 90 dollars you tell world your secret seed location. ISNT ALL THIS SUPPOSE TO BE A SECRET?
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This just might be the most genius thing I've seen on you tube
You could use the seed phrase words and write them in to a story using a seed word every 4th word. You could store that in the cloud with other stories to disguise it...
I also write my seed phrase in backwards order just in case .... Just a thought ....
Good idea, i also had the backwards idea
So many times, we think about the benefits of a product rather than the ramifications of buying that product (a sign of the times I guess). I didn't really think about the angle of a government or other unsavory types hacking the company's customer list and knowing who bought the product. It's not like this rarely happens. It happens every day! This is a cost effective, efficient and elegant solution to the problem. John Chow - Thank you!
I bought my ledger X new from a 3rd party seller, not ledger. But I do plan on making my own crypto capsule
@@VIRGILSHELTONII that's an L, always buy your cold wallet STRAIGHT FROM THE COMPANY.
That is not a good idea, so many Ledgers were hacked and send your seed phrase to a 3rd party, bye bye crypto@@VIRGILSHELTONII
You radiate good energy, sir. Most appreciated!
Great Video. I am going to make me one of these, all though I am on there list for buying a Nano X.
Privacy is really valuable in this world plus its cheaper to maintain it
Great video and great advice. Is it fire resistant? What is it's melting point?I just looked it up, in the hottest part of a bushfire the temperature reaches 1600C at its peak, this is where the vegetation is turned into gas and the explosion occurs, so basically the capsules will melt and seed phrase is gone, The hottest flames are 1100C so no problem there. The 304 Stainless Steel washers are good for 1399°C - 1454°C. So a little less than the capsule but in the end both will melt in the hottest part of a bushfire or house fire. Simple just keep 2 capsules in separate spots.
Titanium is the way to go.
Best is to keep 3 on different Spots but only with 16 words each(1-16, 17-8 & 9-24). So of you lose One u Are still able to have all words with the other two
And if one gets stolen the person can not recover your wallet
I like that idea. Another tip to save time would be to only stamp the first four letters. Most seed phrases are BIP39. Also you could use a cipher for your words so if anyone found your backup they still wouldn't know the words unless they had the lock.
Though then you also have to hide the cipher somewhere lol.. and you gotta store them different places too, otherwise theres no point.
Seems alot more risky, hiding multiple items to get your words
How bout highlighting words in a book that are the seed words?
Paper is a terrible storage medium, it burns, rots, tears, stains, etc. @@bradbrown2168
@@bradbrown2168fire, water damage, etc.
John. glad you told it straight. tnx
great idea, and so simple an inexpensive. one could even hide it in plain sight ie put it into a wall or beam somewhere where there are similar bolts used and hide the washers behind the beam or in the wall. only with half the words, though..
Great idea with the numbers
This a genius idea sir thank you so much
Wow!! Thank you for this genius idea.
Thank you John. Brilliant!
Brilliant!!!! Thank You!!!
Sorry for m’y english.
- in case of high température fire, could aluminium and steel mixe ?
- it is more secure to buy at ledgershop, but there custumers datas were hacked already …
Where to buy that black box?
Smart! Gunna have to try this.
Very nice, but the melting point of the aluminum capsule is around 650 °C, while the stainless steel one is 1510 °C.
That's OK. The washers, which contains the seed words, are made from 304 stainless steel.
I just looked it up, in the hottest part of a bushfire the temperature reaches 1600C at its peak, this is where the vegetation is turned into gas and the explosion occurs, so basically the capsules will melt and seed phrase is gone, The hottest flames are 1100C so no problem there. The 304 Stainless Steel washers are good for 1399°C - 1454°C. So a little less than the capsule but in the end both will melt in the hottest part of a bushfire or house fire. Simple just keep 2 capsules in separate spots.
@@MotoTTZso what’s the point of the capsule? Just the look?
Really want one
Excellent video SIr!
FOLKS!
1. get 4 steel wheel plates 2-3 mm thick with 10mm hole in the middle for a bolt.
2. you can adjust diameter of plates for your needs!
plate 1- 86mm diameter
plate 2 - 74mm diameter
plate 3 - 62mm diameter
plate 4 - 49mm diameter
3. lay them on top of each other like pyramid the biggest at the bottom
4. divide them into 24 section 15degres each with marker pen.
5. stamp in every section of each ring one character on each plate from outside in or the opposite as you like with 4 characters for each word.
6. when you are done put it together with a 10mm bolt and when all words are readable make a tiny incision on the edge of each plate, where ever you like, and remember what is the RIGHT position of these incisions because this your - KEY TO YOUR SEED!
count self how many combinations of the incisions in right order/positions there is when you have:
4 rows with 24 characters in each row, and the all 4 incisions must be in right order/position. tell me if i'm wrong ha! ha!
Where'd you get 24 stainless washers, nut and bolt for $3.50???
Were find blockmit or coldsteelx
Genius idea. I’m definitely going to try it out. My only question, how would those Home Depot washers or those generic capsules hold up under fire? The Cryptosteel Capsule is suppose to be able to withstand up to like 2500 degrees F I think..
my question too, just give your parents a copy and your all good. Also make sure to revers their seed phrase so no.1 = no.24 etc
Hello, M8 35mm wrong or not?
Where can one get the capsule for the DIY route? Thank you
amzn.to/3Ifcn5t
Container is made of aluminum what happens if you throw it in a fire
Great idea! How long should the bolt be for 24+2 washers? 26 washers at 1.6mm each + about 5mm nut would be 46.6mm so I'm thinking a 50mm bolt should be good. What's the inside measurement for the capsule?
Have you tried this? If so, how long of a bolt did you have to get?
@@TreyMcClain1 hey, I ended up buying the parts but haven't gotten the jig to actually complete it cuz I've been considering getting a 3d printer. I got the 35mm bolts, the nut is 6mm, and the washers are 2mm each. It can fit 15 washers with the nut up on the edge. I went with 12+2. 12 front and back and then 2 extras as a cover. If you want to go 24+2 then I'm guessing you need 60mm bolts or bit longer if available (at 58mm the nut would be up on the edge).
@@-GonZo Thanks for the response! I plan to go front and back, so I'll probably go with 35mm. Just wondering how the shorter length will do in the capsule, as I like the idea of storing them in there. I'm guessing there will be a lot of movement, which isn't terrible except for the metal on metal noise. May just put a felt pad on each end to minimize that a bit.
@@TreyMcClain1 no problem. Could try putting something like a sponge for a tight fit 🤷♂️ hope that helps 👍
@@-GonZo good point. May try that. I’m going to test one out and see how it goes. Thanks.
very useful thank you 😊
Thanks for your sharing !
Thanks for sharing your ideas! I will try to replicate your model. Greetings.
I think the plastic would melt around the washers in case of a fire.
Huh, I find it funny when I went to the link to the Amazon HRX Package capsules, at the bottom was "frequently bought together" with the HRX, washers, and a stamp kit.
So, Yea, AI will beat you every time.
That said, still a great idea.
Steel and aluminium does not go so well with each other. Better change to a steel capsule. Anyone have a thought?
I love this thank you!!
got to listen a chinese bruh them mfkers dont sleep! thanks bruh.
I love this idea, I'm glad I watched your video before I purchased the Ledger Nano or the Arculus. Where can you purchase the seed canisters
I got it at Amazon amzn.to/3aixVSR
@@digger5521 OWDEN Metal Stamps Kit: amzn.to/3BnG94I
This tool is to be used a seed phrase BACKUP. You still need a cold wallet to create a COLD seed phrase that is not connected to the internet (unlike creating a seed phrase from MetaMask/Exodus).
Brilliant.
How many washers fit on the bolt? Looks much more than 12 or even 24... Why so many?
He put 2 extra blanks on the ends, so i think that's 26 washers on his
The washers are 2mm so you have to do the math for the washers you select. He appeared to be using a 60mm bolt with 26 washers. If you stamp both sides, you could use 14 washers (w/cover or ID washers) on his (specified elsewhere) 35mm bolt.
Great idea!
Dude. You remind me of Bolo Yeung
Maybe use titanium washers, bolt, and nut
If you want to spend 10X more money, sure!
DIY Capsule? Made of what? Threaded pipe w end caps? Confused.
Hello dude! Nice video. Could you please send us a new link for the 3D printing Jig model please ? The actual link is dead
I have fixed the link: www.tinkercad.com/things/6LnKVMshm6o
seed phrase are case sensitive, uppercase letter and lowercase letter?
They are not case sensitive. They are from a known list of words and all you (or the software) has to do is to identify the right word on this list. You don't even have to know all letters of the word. The first four are enough.
@@MotoTTZ Thanks. I'm just getting ready to punch some washers. I'm glad it doesn't depend on lowercase or uppercase letters. All I have to do is identify the words and their order in the program. I admit that I have not yet done a reconstruction of the secret phrase on the Ledger nano X. It saved the phrase but I did not do a restore rehearsal. Thank you again. I will hit hard in the washers :). I also ordered a jig in Romania. All good.
How do you punch the letters on the washers?
That's explained in this video ruclips.net/video/3Aj_EHOu9WE/видео.html
How do you stamp?
Watch this video ruclips.net/video/3Aj_EHOu9WE/видео.html
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So, the parts are 10 bucks... Where am I getting my words stamped for free?
But what about a fire?
How much degrees does that holds on (pun intended)
They're made of the same steel so both will stand the same amount of heat.
even better, working on a construction site, there are loads of s/s bolts and washers lying about. you get them for free
Hit that like BUTTON on your way in 👍
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What is your thoughts on splitting your 24 word seed backup into 3 parts 8 words each.... A B C. You keep A & B on one DIY backup, A & C on another and B & C on a third. Keep in separate locations and would guard against physical theft or spying as they would need 2 out of 3 to get all 24 words
I do not recommend that. If you want to do something like that, then use a Shamir Backup.
Yeah not recommended, if you want to split the key into different locations, use Shamir or a multisig wallet. By splitting the key as you describe, you reduce the security of your recovery words. So if somebody found one of your 3 stashes they could just brute force the remaining words very quickly and not need to find any other stash.
@@BlackHeartScyther As opposed to when all the seed works are together and no brute force is needed? How does that make any sense?
@@vicpinto1970 True haha.. but I think the better point is, that if you're going to create duplicates for added security, there are better ways of doing it like the Shamir method. You could also do something clever to trick any would be thief.. here's another idea, pull up the full word list for your key type, like bip-39, and instead of using your real words on your backup washers, use the words above or below it in the list by some metric.
So if I made this I would only have to memorize that i need to subtract my word list by 4. So if my backup said the word "again" (38th word) the real word is "aerobic" (34th) and so on for each word in the backup. If they find and try to import your wallet, they'll think they have everything they need, but it simply wont work and they'll know you did something but not what. If they somehow know you used this method, they still have no idea by what plus or minus they need to shift the backup list to solve it, and there are like 5000 different possibilities so they'd need to create a bot to try each possible shift to brute force in. You could also scramble them in a non-uniform way drastically adding to the difficulty, as long as you can for sure memorize the method and not write it down obviously anywhere.. like first letter will shift up by one, next down by 2, next up by 3, etc.. whatever you want that isn't easy to guess but is easy to remember yourself.
Honestly I think unless we've got many millions $ in crypto and some serious enemies like the government or crime bosses then the regular backup is probably fine, but it is fun to come up with ideas for worst case scenarios. Also if you die and there is real money there, you want to pass it down and your spouse or kids won't get the money if you make it hard to decipher.
People recommend the shamir method, while OPs method is actually already the shamir method?
difference, the cryptosteel is in titanium, and your DIY in steel...
No, the Cryptosteel is made of steel. That's why it's call CryptoSTEEL.
Do che' John Chow.
When storing seedphrases for thousands of dollars of crypto its best to go with the cheapest DIY option.
That mold is someonelses property, you should at least mention him.
I did and I even linked to them.
You did the letter separating on the original the wrong way. On the original and you are literally telling the world if you need my seed just look for the washers. And how much did the tool to press the letters on the washers cost? If anyone wants to find out where you store your seeds all they need to do is look for the DIY washers smh. Really smart man you are. Cheaper its not always better some people have learn that the hard way. Juts to save 90 dollars you tell world your secret seed location. ISNT ALL THIS SUPPOSE TO BE A SECRET?