Better setup is threaded barrel for the Flux raider. Having 3 points of contact that the Flux raider allows reduces the need for the integral compslide. Keep the axg legion slide on a handgun where you only have two points of contact instead.
it is for health...but the idea we're gonna need to do crazy diving to utilize effective home defense or in a street shootout defensive situation from less than a block away from each other, is a bit much. No one really needs all that for home defense or street situations...that's for raids, ops, military. If you hunt, okay...that too. But a man in a wheelchair can defend his home just fine, or himself on the street, without needing to do cartwheels. It's really got not much at all to do with the reason most people own a gun, or a PDW specifically. I agree, though, it saves lives, and should be done for health...not to pretend we're diving over couches with our bad backs and knees from our construction jobs lol.
@@carlsmith8176 don't worry, these guns are really not that good at all. Literally the only reason that people like them so much is because the automatically won the new handgun program because the US government didn't even bother running the ACTUAL TESTING of the gun or any part of phase 2 at all. Glock dropped out after phase 1 because they weren't gonna give their guns away for free or make stupid modifications to their guns that would compromise the quality and durability and ESPECIALLY the reliability of the guns; the modifications that the government was asking them to make in order to be able to move on to phase 2. And so because the Glock's didn't have total ambi controls and some stupid requirement for a poorly designed style of ambi safety lever that, again, is just a bad requirement that is causing problems for the P320s even today. Glock didn't have the ambi safety and some other tiny things and so for some reason the entire procurement process broke down (likely corruption going on here IMO, someone there must have some kind of relationship with SIG for that process to just shut down like that without even going to phase 2 to actually let Glock decide if they would make the necessary changes and if they could do it quickly enough, or at least force Sig to go through phase 2 to see if it will even pass. But for some reason they were hell bent on getting the Sig even though they we don't know how it actually performs and what its reliability is actually like because we didnt' do the full testing and technically we still haven't done the equivalent of the proper testing we were supposed to start with. It's really weird and disconcerting that this happened. This has never happened before and it's really fkn weird and kinda scary that all these rules are being bent and broken to ensure that Sig wins.
As a southpaw, I've never come across a better ambi setup then on H&K pistols. My P2000SK is modded with a slightly larger ambi mag release. That's it. However, what I see here is very exciting indeed. Now all I need to do is learn how to shoot. 🙂
It's a blast to shoot, and one of the coolest things to hold in 2024, but it's hard to justify the price tag without more customization from SIG. It would be way more desirable if SIG did a P320L slide and barrel like HK did with the P30L. The Legion slide as it stands is not appropriate for the Raider chasis besides looking cool with the integrated comp and fwd slide serrations. Some more specialized organizations are chopping the polymer slide mount to keep the chasis much more concealable and low profile. It would behoove them to engineer a removable rear sight rail especially when paired with the Legion because you can't make use of that sight cut out on the slide otherwise. Now, it's still a super gray area for the insanely unconstitutional sbr regulations still in place since 1934, but if they made a removable sight platform and made a P320L Legion slide, the platform would be way more desirable. You can add a comp to a regular p320 slide that brings it out closer than the legion integrated comp to the end of the polymer frame. As a side note, the DPM progressive recoil spring system for the Legion makes a world of difference for the system, and gives you the ability to run suppressed if you want. It is expensive, but it is a blast to shoot. I imagine these improvements I listed will be available in the future if the customer base continues to grow as it has.
Maybe Sig will be able to keep up with demand, but please sell as chassis alone. You can do just as well with an off the shelf 320 and a Strike industries SMC for under a thousand, love mine!
Seeing how close a thumb to the barrel end I would add "amputator" to the name -> P320 Flux Legion Amputator :) I would stick to the MPX Copperhead or K. I can manage an extra 500+ grams, but missing a finger? Not so much
min.6:30.....this thump was dangerous in front of the muzzle. Not so safe having a stock longer then the barrel, you tent to grip there. I like your channel, specially when you tour thru Europe. Greetings from Barcelona.
Now we know why Sig offered 600 p320 cali-x which sold out rapidly, especially after announcing they were never making them again. That enclosed romeo 2 dot is likely mil spec'd and fit only on military issued m17/m18's. Last time I checked, the enclosed romeo 2 dot was $800.
The #1 problem with this is that it is still a p320. The #2 is that it uses the integrated comp instead of one of the slides that would be flush to the end and safer for the fingers. #3 is that the safety option (a must for a bag gat) is weak on the raider and was solved on the raider 365
you want to talk about other mens shirt size instead of the firearm. Theres another gun channel where they wear xxl shirt maybe youd like that more looser
I don’t run, I reload 😅 sorry, but I got ran over on the freeway one day while riding my motorcycle to work. Left leg is pretty much trashed. You’re 100% right. You have to train and stay dangerous, but not all of us can or will run. But you better believe I’ll lay down plenty of suppressing fire to give you time to run, if that’s what you choose to do.
What threw me off is is the one dude that had his thumb WAY to close tot he tip of the barrel while shooting. I for sure was waiting for him to blow his thumb off…
If sig would fix the platform so the pistols would stop self discharging I'd consider one of these. I like the p320 design but in my opinion they are defective and people have been injured when these holstered pistols self discharge. Even the army has had cases of soldiers getting injured. They just lost a lawsuit for $2.3 million and there are more pending.
The bad thing about it is there’s no charging handle on the chassis. You have to grab the slide in an awkward way. Should be a T handle charging handle IMO.
It’s so funny to see a bunch of keyboard warriors bitching about the price and the material. Same people have never designed or brought a product to market in there lives. Respect the craft and enjoy the golden age of firearms and accessories.
@@surfacegr1nder705 Someone I know asked me how much it'd cost for me to machine something readily available for $100- thinking it'd be cheaper. I told him it'd be a mimimum of 6x each of the cost of buying it... if i was making 100 of them. He bought it online. For $100.
Agree, if you want quality it costs… from the quality of the metal that’s used to mill the slide and barrel, to the quality of the polymer that’s used to mold the grip module, and all the other little pieces parts too… I’m not familiar with FLUX’s products per se, but SIG has a reputation for using some of the highest quality materials in their firearms and since this is a SIG collaboration with FLUX I’d assume they’re not slouching either on their quality, otherwise I wouldn’t imagine SIG would allow them to not only use their SIG name let alone put their top tier LEGION logo on the product!
Only pistols, yes. It's because the federal definition of a handgun includes that it was designed to be fired with one hand. Adding a second grip means that it is designed to be fired with two hands so it puts it in the category of "any other weapon" which are regulated the same way suppressors and hand grenades are lol
Speaking of vertical grips, stocks, and braces. I’m curious, with the Supreme courts decision on chevron deference, will this curtail the ATFs overreach?
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Early 1900s: “Stocked pistols are cool!”
Early 2000s: “Stocked pistols are cool!”
I’m not hating, I have a B&T USW-G.
have you attached a pic rail on the side of it yet? great way to put a peq-15 or ngal on it
A full slide with a threaded barrel option for a suppressor will be a nice option.
Got one for 10mm
How do you like it? I’m thinking about getting one.
This is the way 👍
Cool, maybe ill wait for the PSA Dagger Raider for $399 😅
Waiting patiently for PSA's 5.7 PDW
That's how much they are does it look good
@@xThrobbinHoodyes sir chilling hard
@@xThrobbinHoodI’m waiting g for that but even that is a bit big, a flux 365 size in 5.7 would be perfext
Jamms probably because ejectors need too be upgraded ill bet on glock oem or sig any day
I'm still waiting for the P320 X-TEN Flux Raider......
Yes....YES!
Ha! I've been waiting for X-Ten ANYTHING! 😢
Threaded barrels...
And a 5.7x28mmFN P320 would be cold.
Mmm 10mm goodness.
Better setup is threaded barrel for the Flux raider.
Having 3 points of contact that the Flux raider allows reduces the need for the integral compslide.
Keep the axg legion slide on a handgun where you only have two points of contact instead.
Wish SIG would have either made a longer comp'd slide that uses the Full barrel, or a setup similar to the xCarry Legion for this.
I’ve got my x5 legion slide on mine, with a threaded barrel and Herrington comp. Long enough to extend passed the dust cover
Spoke to my LGS about ordering one for myself. They said MAP is $1499, so that’s what they’ll sell it for.
YES, getting fit is a life saver.
In SO many ways too.
Video is about guns, what are you looking at? ;)
it is for health...but the idea we're gonna need to do crazy diving to utilize effective home defense or in a street shootout defensive situation from less than a block away from each other, is a bit much. No one really needs all that for home defense or street situations...that's for raids, ops, military. If you hunt, okay...that too. But a man in a wheelchair can defend his home just fine, or himself on the street, without needing to do cartwheels. It's really got not much at all to do with the reason most people own a gun, or a PDW specifically.
I agree, though, it saves lives, and should be done for health...not to pretend we're diving over couches with our bad backs and knees from our construction jobs lol.
Im black
Even with the weird underbite dust cover, that thing was scary close to consuming digits
They should call this the Sig Beavis!😂
Unfortunately It likely will
Yeah, that made my tummy hurt looking at how close their fingers were
50 thumbs up to that
More fingers lost than a porno movie
6:32 finger
Yeah, the thump....Jesus.
its just a finger LOL
Just a left thumb. Probably the *least* important thumb of all.
yooooooooooooo wtf. i expected something less scary.
*thumb
Crazy gun. Love the videos with Kaya, keep it up guys!
SIG's next pistol will be the FLUX CAPACITOR. It'll fire bullets through time and space.
MARTY!!!
Once it reaches 88 revolutions per inch.......
@@aaronfarnsworth7653 88 rounds per minute.
Great Scott!
Whoa that's heavy
James: "This lets the AFT know you are immune to prosecution" AFT: Hold my beer!
James hurry up and drop that 20+ minute ltt px4 storm video you were talking about.
Yeah, what kitty said...hurry up!!
Yeah, what Kitty and Jim said...hurry up already!!
Great another $2500 pistol?
I can’t afford to shoot. I’m done with pew pew life. 😂😂😂
I mean, you can still buy the flux for $500, then a p320 legion for $1200….
That's still the price of a Daniel defense pdw lmao@@AhHereWeGo
I’m sorry, I’m just hearing “I’m poor”
@@carlsmith8176 don't worry, these guns are really not that good at all. Literally the only reason that people like them so much is because the automatically won the new handgun program because the US government didn't even bother running the ACTUAL TESTING of the gun or any part of phase 2 at all. Glock dropped out after phase 1 because they weren't gonna give their guns away for free or make stupid modifications to their guns that would compromise the quality and durability and ESPECIALLY the reliability of the guns; the modifications that the government was asking them to make in order to be able to move on to phase 2. And so because the Glock's didn't have total ambi controls and some stupid requirement for a poorly designed style of ambi safety lever that, again, is just a bad requirement that is causing problems for the P320s even today. Glock didn't have the ambi safety and some other tiny things and so for some reason the entire procurement process broke down (likely corruption going on here IMO, someone there must have some kind of relationship with SIG for that process to just shut down like that without even going to phase 2 to actually let Glock decide if they would make the necessary changes and if they could do it quickly enough, or at least force Sig to go through phase 2 to see if it will even pass. But for some reason they were hell bent on getting the Sig even though they we don't know how it actually performs and what its reliability is actually like because we didnt' do the full testing and technically we still haven't done the equivalent of the proper testing we were supposed to start with.
It's really weird and disconcerting that this happened. This has never happened before and it's really fkn weird and kinda scary that all these rules are being bent and broken to ensure that Sig wins.
james and kaya are like brothers
Almost the bromance he has for kevin. Must be a K thing... so either couple can be reduced to "JK". Stuck watching TFB TV JK off on a sig together.
Or testing their heterosexual boundaries...
Those two look like 80s action heroes and I am jealous.
TFBTV continues to be my favorite YT channel. Thanks for all you guys do
100% agree on being fit. But do I have to buy my T-shirts in the little boys section?
Right dudes t-shirt was easily 2 sizes too small just absurd
So that’s why Sig only made so many in house chassis’. Hmmm
That is Cool 😎 James. Thanks for sharing with us. God Bless 🙏
Just had one in my LGS marked at $1,550! Sold quick and I’m next in line. Told about 60 days till the next one per the rep.
It's incredibly space age looking. And That spring loaded brace . Pretty neat. I like it
I love my Spartan stuff. I am in just as good shape as Kaya and James.🤣😂🤣
ODG for life James, I'm right there with you 😁
The AR style mag release on the right side of the flux since at least the mp17 version. The front mag holder release is my go to though.
Brilliant concept. Hopefully they'll dive into the 45, or 10. Talk about backup pistol.
just got the MP320 from the main store in NH, I think I'm happier with that choice over this.
Thumbs up only because of James and the SIG Flux. Kaya is a tacti-ding dong that hangs out with the likes of Tim Kennedy😁.
As a southpaw, I've never come across a better ambi setup then on H&K pistols. My P2000SK is modded with a slightly larger ambi mag release. That's it. However, what I see here is very exciting indeed. Now all I need to do is learn how to shoot. 🙂
I can’t wait for this to drop! Definitely going to cop one
It's a blast to shoot, and one of the coolest things to hold in 2024, but it's hard to justify the price tag without more customization from SIG. It would be way more desirable if SIG did a P320L slide and barrel like HK did with the P30L. The Legion slide as it stands is not appropriate for the Raider chasis besides looking cool with the integrated comp and fwd slide serrations. Some more specialized organizations are chopping the polymer slide mount to keep the chasis much more concealable and low profile. It would behoove them to engineer a removable rear sight rail especially when paired with the Legion because you can't make use of that sight cut out on the slide otherwise. Now, it's still a super gray area for the insanely unconstitutional sbr regulations still in place since 1934, but if they made a removable sight platform and made a P320L Legion slide, the platform would be way more desirable. You can add a comp to a regular p320 slide that brings it out closer than the legion integrated comp to the end of the polymer frame. As a side note, the DPM progressive recoil spring system for the Legion makes a world of difference for the system, and gives you the ability to run suppressed if you want. It is expensive, but it is a blast to shoot. I imagine these improvements I listed will be available in the future if the customer base continues to grow as it has.
Maybe Sig will be able to keep up with demand, but please sell as chassis alone. You can do just as well with an off the shelf 320 and a Strike industries SMC for under a thousand, love mine!
Flux has sold this chassis for years if you already have a 320 just get the raider from flux that’s what I did
a great neat delicious very interesting video and firearm Mr.James.have a good one Mr.James.
Would be even better if these were available ever
Seeing how close a thumb to the barrel end I would add "amputator" to the name -> P320 Flux Legion Amputator :)
I would stick to the MPX Copperhead or K. I can manage an extra 500+ grams, but missing a finger? Not so much
min.6:30.....this thump was dangerous in front of the muzzle. Not so safe having a stock longer then the barrel, you tent to grip there. I like your channel, specially when you tour thru Europe. Greetings from Barcelona.
Now we know why Sig offered 600 p320 cali-x which sold out rapidly, especially after announcing they were never making them again. That enclosed romeo 2 dot is likely mil spec'd and fit only on military issued m17/m18's. Last time I checked, the enclosed romeo 2 dot was $800.
Sig always finds a way to try to Flux Raid my bank account.🥴
Perfect for the saddle bags on my HD. I will have one. Id prefer it in .45 or better yet 10MM though.
The #1 problem with this is that it is still a p320. The #2 is that it uses the integrated comp instead of one of the slides that would be flush to the end and safer for the fingers. #3 is that the safety option (a must for a bag gat) is weak on the raider and was solved on the raider 365
My dog’s name is Legion. I sometimes smell like bologna, but I don’t eat bologna . I bought this immediately when presented with the opportunity.
The ending sounds like a garand thumb video
The sig NXT event was today and I saw James there
It's a guns show! Don't they sell XL T-shirts down South 😂
Extra medium only it appears.
They are XL.....XL in Metrosexual
sorry ..Sssh'medium, Medium-medium, and Xtra'Medium only🏋
you want to talk about other mens shirt size instead of the firearm. Theres another gun channel where they wear xxl shirt maybe youd like that more looser
Great! Kayai you are doing well!, Bro.
Love the flex system can not wait to buy it
That support thumb is going to see burns.
Be damned lucky if that's all it sees. Terrifying!
I don’t run, I reload 😅 sorry, but I got ran over on the freeway one day while riding my motorcycle to work. Left leg is pretty much trashed. You’re 100% right. You have to train and stay dangerous, but not all of us can or will run. But you better believe I’ll lay down plenty of suppressing fire to give you time to run, if that’s what you choose to do.
"It's like a flux raider, but we can charge more money for it" - Sig Legion marketing dude
Everytime i see these things it just makes me want to see one like the 1998 lost in space pistol to rifle conversion scene with a retractable helmet 🤣
Companies need to stop focusing so much on Diversity of product line and have better quality. I love sig but their QC has been spotty at times.
Now it makes sense why they only made 800 Sig MP320 calx chassis for the P320.
What threw me off is is the one dude that had his thumb WAY to close tot he tip of the barrel while shooting. I for sure was waiting for him to blow his thumb off…
Just when i completed a Flux Raider build this releases 😊
Is a barrel extension allowed? Also this plus a binary trigger would be whoa
You know Sig is gonna charge $2500 for this. Let's not kid ourselves 😂
$1499
lol the Glock Perfection logo at the beginning.
Oh my gosh… This is so on point, I just bought this today off somebody and he was literally 300 pound overweight guy wow this is so hilarious.
Very cool! the MSRP: $1,649.99 not too bad but I can see it going down to the 1499ish!
I hope it’s the new Flux chassis with the better ergonomic controls.
If sig would fix the platform so the pistols would stop self discharging I'd consider one of these. I like the p320 design but in my opinion they are defective and people have been injured when these holstered pistols self discharge. Even the army has had cases of soldiers getting injured. They just lost a lawsuit for $2.3 million and there are more pending.
Yes plz I need this so bad!!!
_Niche_ but I'm sure Brass Facts is hard af rn 🤣
Awesome!
Make quad rails for the MCX series of rifles mainly the MCX Rattler
I hope they release one without the comp so I can add a threaded barrel.
Damn those shots with the thumb from the support hand looks hella close to the muzzle.
Now the real question. Will the X-Ten fit the Flux?
The bad thing about it is there’s no charging handle on the chassis. You have to grab the slide in an awkward way. Should be a T handle charging handle IMO.
Not my cup of tea, but have a comment for the algorithm.
James, what was the hearing protection you were using?
I love how every Sig Sauer review is sponsored by Glock. Like “ey boy, we throw you a bone”
It’s so funny to see a bunch of keyboard warriors bitching about the price and the material. Same people have never designed or brought a product to market in there lives. Respect the craft and enjoy the golden age of firearms and accessories.
Or machined a block of metal into something mechanical with tight tolerances.
@@daftpanda6533 exactly bro! They can hate and bitch all they want but IYKYK. Do your thing Flux and thank you.
@@surfacegr1nder705 Someone I know asked me how much it'd cost for me to machine something readily available for $100- thinking it'd be cheaper.
I told him it'd be a mimimum of 6x each of the cost of buying it... if i was making 100 of them.
He bought it online. For $100.
Agree, if you want quality it costs… from the quality of the metal that’s used to mill the slide and barrel, to the quality of the polymer that’s used to mold the grip module, and all the other little pieces parts too… I’m not familiar with FLUX’s products per se, but SIG has a reputation for using some of the highest quality materials in their firearms and since this is a SIG collaboration with FLUX I’d assume they’re not slouching either on their quality, otherwise I wouldn’t imagine SIG would allow them to not only use their SIG name let alone put their top tier LEGION logo on the product!
Yes, yes nice and all but we want James mailtime videos with the flux
I built a Raider with an xCarry Legion, AEMS sight and a Rugged Suppressor for about $2100 Ish.
some police department in virginia is rocking these in owb holsters
I'd buy one at $1400. Any higher it's a no go. I'm not that enamored. Already have a B & T and a Glock 20 in a B & T brace conversion.
Wonder if the new sxg works with a flux. Now that'd be a sweet setup..
Id want it with a longer barrel. Looks like there is enough room
This in 10MM would slap.
what? vertical grip is also forbidden in the US?
when you have a stock yes haha
Only pistols, yes. It's because the federal definition of a handgun includes that it was designed to be fired with one hand. Adding a second grip means that it is designed to be fired with two hands so it puts it in the category of "any other weapon" which are regulated the same way suppressors and hand grenades are lol
@@Horseysauce interesting... Thanks for the explanation.
I guess they figured the MP320 chassis couldn't keep up with the flux? I got a MP320 and it's cool enough.
Missing a charging handle modification to the slide and the barrel/slide should be as long as the frame IMHO
If they were ever in stock id buy one
Carried A SIG 226 and 229 for 18 yrs at work..I’m an sig OG guy…looks cool……have to sneak one into the garage so my wife doesn’t know……
Looks cool, but for my budget I kinda wish Flux would just keep the Raider in stock. At this point I think I may have to just print an Invader.
Speaking of vertical grips, stocks, and braces. I’m curious, with the Supreme courts decision on chevron deference, will this curtail the ATFs overreach?
$1500 I could stomach but anything over that and you're getting into the really good PDW price range, all of which I'd take over this.
Msrp is 1499
Already have PDW, not practical for CCW...whatever's 😂
Agreed. Once you reach B&T/SP5 price range, why would you do this?
I would never financially recover from that
🐯👑
Wish the slide went all the way to the end of the chassis. More velocity and a safer system.
That thing is going to take some thumbs. I see the Reddit posts now.
is it actually safe or does this one go off by itself too?
No way I will buy any P320💀
Why is the muzzle not flush with frame. It should 8 inch. barrel. 👍
Does it have the cool Sig P320 "fire without being asked" feature?
Why do they continue to not do these chasis for 10mm??
Does it come with a holster to mount on my walker?🤣
I'll be waiting for the 10mm!
Why does the dust cover not match the slide on this factory build? Looks dopey in front. You'd think they would have matched it better.
That was a seal requirement so it acts as a stand off device
Great floating cheek weld for $2k.
3:24 " NOT A VFG" (vertical foregrip)... well there you go.
And the rear inflexible dongle, without a strap has "NOT A SBR STOCK" stamped on it, no?