Some simple things they can do to make the raid a little easier: 1. The giga cringe pattern with the waves needs indicators showing where waves will appear before they spawn on top of you and knock you down. 2. The DPS required to break the wings and head need to be adjusted lower. 3. Indicators for which players will drop puddles needs to be more clear.
Great video hope some guys will hear the feedback Personally PoE2 will release soon so tbh i dont feel concerned with the futur of lost ark in the west anymore Hope the best for the ones that will keep on it tho
Doubt they will watch this video specifically but with all the feedback surveys being submitted, I'm hoping they do something about it as soon as possible or at least communicate that they are working on it.
It's clearable at 1620 lobbies but requires a lot of coordenation by the 16 players. Also having good transcendence helps a lot in the dps check. I managed to clear it on my 6 characters but yeah it for sure deserves some attention by AGS. Good video :)
@@koynov333 still, it is doable with full 1620`s. i id that yesterday, if everyone knows what they are doing and are not cheapo about their items (like mr. youtuber who didnt use atro on first wing break). Also i recommend only taking 1620 who have at least chest/pants on 20 flower for dps/supp, the more the better
This is so cringe if you didn’t even see why I didn’t. Maybe you don’t play souleater but I’m not going to atropine when my edge meter is halfway used up + this was a full 1630 lobby. People obsessed with atro on first wing. Wrong. Do some real damage and it turns out you don’t even need it. I didn’t even ape and use atro on the head break. And I used the atro on wings at a later time
you deserve my sub, in the past i kinda hesitate to sub lel and just wanna lurking, but i realize youre doing great content, gratz man, ya this is not design for 1620 ilvl, its just to hard, also this week lobby in in other raid except behemoth its like graveyard caus people focussing clearing behemoth and doing trans and elixir in whole account, so the lobby room like kinda graveyard. Really sad ithought its gonna be hard struggle like this, ican only clear on my Main with ilvl 1645. This raid not design for 1620 ilevel minimum for 1630 ilevel, its just tough.
WOOHOOO!! haha thanks for the sub and comment. I need more people like you to convert :D I completely agree with your comment too - transcendence and elixir npc filled with people with barely any lobbies up for anything other than Behemoth!
I have cleared it with full 1620 lobby. But it’s not easy. Need very seasoned 1620s. It’ll get easier as people stop getting hit with more experience in the coming weeks imo
Agreed! But it should be easy without transcendence! They expect us to get full level 7 100+ flowers in a few hours before going to behemoth. Nonsense!
Imagine if we got Behemoth with 35% more hp like Korea. If this is the backlash they’re getting now, it was a good thing they nerfed it so much. The fact of the matter is, this raid is easy. Especially when you compare it to Thaemine and Echidna. If you progged Thaemine week 1 or Echidna week 1, that’s a pretty obvious fact. The issue is so many people subconsciously watch Korea now (with ark passive and 3x more damage than us) and see how fast they nuke the boss, and are confused as to why we can’t do that. Go watch some early behemoth progs. They experienced the same issues The dps check for g2 is around 26m to beat before enrage. You guys cleared in 13 minutes you said? That means you had 3 minutes to spare. That means your group had almost 25% more damage than needed. Y’all were nowhere close. People complain before they know all the patterns. Of course the raid is going to seem hard when you’re prema knocked down, getting hit by every water pattern, etc. What kind of game do you want? A game where all content is the difficulty of a guardian raid? When everyone learns the patterns the boss is going to fall over with lives remaining. The things that actually make this raid ass are Behemoths god awful hitbox as well as the visual clutter and certain angles making patterns really hard to see. The black hole + wave mech should have way more clarity than it does.
I still haven't done this one nor the other two that people are burning out on, but just doing the south kurzan msq, I knew this fat boi was gonna be a pain. His hurt box made trying to get to the back SOOOO annoying, especially if you're not a reaper.
Ive recleared this raid 3x (couldve done 6 because all my roster has good gems and atleast chest/pants trans) but i just couldnt be bothered to pug this 16 man garbage raid and have the potential to be jailed for what, 3k more gold ? I already know all his patterns and the raid itself is not hard once you do but its rather stupid and the design itself is horrible. I cant rely on 16 people to play well and i dont always wanna go back to party finder to kick the ones that imposter, its tiring just to unlock weapon trans that i wont do on my alts anyways until its nerfed so i might aswell do a quick ivory tower and be done.
🍍gang. Oh boi this raid... i cleared on day 2 and this was a mess. They either need to give 16 revives so everyone can have at least 1 fuck up as a backup, or nerf the hp of this dude, 710 bars is just insane we get it is 16 man, double dmg on head bla bla but still is a lot. I think we got the 1640 kr version of hp and dmg with just a 1620 ilvl entry slapped in the front. And party finder same as other raid but double the amount of ppl we need to find. And with the "trixion dummy" comment. Remember koreans also told us echidna was a guardian.. think of that as you will. Maybe make a static with the 🍍 gang? 🤔🤔😂
Really off topic from the video but I need some advice. I main destroyer and play both GT and RH on my main. Is it feasible to continue to do that into T4? If not which do you recommend? I'm currently enjoying GT more than RH but it's pretty close.
As a Support we found out that bringin Marching Flag help a lot at the Waves Pattern. one side of the boss is more sagethan front and back and marching flag helps to geatzher your party so you can protect them. It requires a bit more communication but i think if more people do it then it will decrease the death for this shitty Pattern.
Not sure why people expect they shouldn't need any transcendence for Behemoth. Thaemine's been out for months, and they're giving out dark fire like Oprah on every event. Chest and pants is enough if people can actually play their classes. The usual strategy for 1620 groups: everyone uses atropine on first wings. You must succeed the first break, if you fail just restart because it's probably heading for enrage. If you constantly fail, start replacing or leave. You should take at least a few burst classes to make it easier. On the second body break, you want to lower both wings to 15%. Third body break, destroy both wings and enjoy 15s uptime of double damage on the head with atropine. Use your last atropine in the last phase after Ren blasts Behemoth. It's extremely important that people can recognize and swap to the wings during the slam pattern, chipping 20% off of one is usually the difference between succeeding and failing to break. My lowest raid DPS clear was 329M overall, which is an average of 27.4M DPS. Actual numbers were 34.2 on highest and 22.7 on lowest. Highest item level was 1622.5 and the majority only had chest + pants. Supports were pretty decent though, all above 80 attack power, 3/4 above 90 brand and 3/4 above 50 identity. I'd just like to see the wave + lightning pattern nerfed, it's ridiculous. Rest is fine, IMO. There's only three weeks until everyone will power creep him anyway, with the power of T4 gems and 20 item levels for free.
Because the game is dying and we need new players badly, but the one raid that needs 16 people and could have been the raid that new and old players enjoy and run together and get people invested in the game became gatekeeping hell.
Having cleared the raid 8 times already. I really don't find the raid difficult at all and agree with the trixion dummy evaluation. The most "difficult" part of the raid is getting 16 people together that have eyes and hands to actually execute mechanics and dodge patterns. One of the most important aspects of this raid is to dodge water patterns & swap to the wings when they're available. The less people get hit by water patterns, the more water patterns the boss will do. As the boss will swap to lightning patterns if it gets enough water debuffs on the raid. More water patterns leads to more opportunities to dps the wings in preparation for the body break, which lowers the dps requirement. Which I noticed you never really bothered to switch to the wings whenever they were down besides during the body break. Our initial clear we mostly brought our mains, so the dps requirement wasn't an issue, even with people getting constantly hit by water patterns. After getting used to the patterns we had a much easier time on alts, which were only able to pull on average 24-25m dps at the time. We were able to full break everytime, using atropine on the first two body breaks, and by the third we'd had enough stacks of the attack buff to do so without atropines with the damage we would do during water patterns. The only patterns I see people with multiple reclears have issues with now is the lightning & wave pattern, and the water pools. I feel that the initial waves should probably have some sort of red-line indicator to show where they're coming from, but other than that it's really not a difficult pattern. A better indicator, such as the boss doing a big animation for targeting people for pools would help in clarifying this pattern. The rest of his attack patterns have pretty forgiving telegraphs. A tail slam is always followed by the X wave or back up pattern. While rain always followed a tail swipe. Overall I have to say Behemoth is much easier and more forgiving than any of the recent raids by far. It really is just a matter of dodging attack patterns and swapping to the wings whenever they are available. The dps requirements are fairly easy to meet, 24m+, as long as most of the raid is properly executing mechanics.
1. This was my first ever clear after prog so it's not going to be perfect. I make sure to dps wings throughout the fight now 2. Just because behemoth is easy to you and "just dodge bro" philosophy. Here's a wake up call for you. Not everyone is as gifted as you. As someone with multiple clears of this raid, I assure you this is not an easy raid. A raid that requires atrophine for wings is not an easy raid. A raid that has bad hitbox and visual clutter and poor telegraphed patterns is not an easy raid. The average casual Lost Ark player this game needs, is not looking for this. Now am I saying the boss needs to be a literal trixion dummy? No. Behemoth is pretty close as you said, but it has A LOT of flaws that you are brushing past.
Tbh 8 lives for each player would be nice :D P.S. Who the fuck decided it was a great idea to put mariu as a fodder that we have to defend yet we have no fucking tools to do so in the small area. Also when you return from guardians some behemoth patterns travels even on that road. We were coming back from nacrashena and he was in memorize patterns and we were wiped which is hella unfair. Also they named that crosbow as a "GIANT STROKE" what kind of sexual names they putting. Could have said defend while be prepare giant chain crossbows but nah some hentai artist had to name them.
Actually Mariu there is a failed opportunity for support engagement. Imagine if the support's shield's / heals / atk buffs could affect him too when you go over to fight the guardian. In other MMOs there are boss fights that focus on healers/supps healing the boss back to health. LOA has never done that.
We had a boss enrage at x25 with full 1620 lvl20pants+chest lobby 1st try....a lot ppl were dead tho. After that we werent able to see last phase in 2 hours changing ppl every few tries... So its possible but not worth at all. Easier just wait a month and 1shot it with T4 gear
It's always been the case with new raids...way to much hp on the boss. They couldn't balance a potato in their hand when it comes to new raids. Like you said..very obvious they dont test properly in the west at least.
Two of my friends that I raided with quit after last week. The combination of Behemoth being super overtuned + the requirement for all 1620 alts to have the transc you'd only spend gold / time on at 1630 for 1610/1620 content was too much. And tbh...I get it. The only parties I've seen clearing had an overwhelming top half of dps at 1640+ with RMTd full 10s etc.etc. basically carrying the on ilvl regular players. This raid just exacerbated the fat ass issues in localizing this game. The gains from third party RMTing are only increasing and will hit new levels with t4 soft reset.
i don't get why people complaining about this raid to me it strike the perfect difficulty balance spot especially when not at item level, those special pattern atk in a overgear group context can even be chese with timestop, if you party is overgear don't tunnel vison on atropine, you have ample time!!!! what makes you fail is reaching the last phase with 0 life ress is not about not using atropine. in my opinion if they end up nerfing this raid is a total non sense xD. Thaemine hard and Echidna hard are way worse than this. and also is useless to bait casual players if they end up quitting anyway and regret it. cuz the new raid coming in tier 4 WILL NOT BE EASY. IS MORE COMPLEX THAN BEHEMOTH. so i'm telling you, if you are a new player and behemoth look rough for you, just call it the day already. You will most likely quit at tier 4 Brelshaza raid. i have vietnam flashback only thinking on how hard another round of brelshaza will be... that raid will be another torture dejavu.
This fat dragon was fun to prog in my main, but clearing it in my bard alt was a pain. BUT imo this is a 1620, it only has one deadly pattern that is the waves and lightening thing and people should just stop dying in that pattern. It is only week one of Behemoth, now we can go full trans with 1620 characters and people will learn how to dodge Behemoth attacks more for the next days. The big issue is people getting hit by his attacks, trolling tornados taking next to other people and dying for normal patterns. Once people get better at dodging and get their trans, it will be way easier (am i coping?)
A little bit of cope :D I still see people failing g2 kayangel mech. I will say you are mostly correct that as people transcend more and get used to patterns more, it will be less sucky, but that doesn’t mean it will be easy. Still takes way too long. Nearly 13 minutes for a 1630+ lobby
Well, I cleared 4 characters in the first week, but it was a bad experience, a lot of lobby simulator, a lot of stressed people, people asking for stops with just 2 tries, dealing with 15 other players is horrible, well, in 2 weeks when I finish the weapon transdence, goodbye behemoth.
It's "free" in comparison to Thaemine and Echinda. Putting this into perspective, Echidna HM took me about 16 hours to clear week 1. I wasn't 1630 for week 1 of Thaemine week 1. It took me about 12 hours to clear Thaemine NM week 1. Thaemine HM G3 took me about 10 hours of prog to clear on week 2 when I made it to 1630. Behemoth on the other hand, took me 4 hours to clear on my 1646 main, then took about 5 hours to pug 2 clears 2 1630 clears. I helped my friends with a half prog/half reclear group and we got 2 clears on my 1633 and 1620 alt, and a g1 clear on my 1620 bard. I pugged g2 and cleared in 2 pulls. So in the time it took me to get 1 Echidna HM clear, I cleared behemoth 6 times, and 2 of which are on 1620 characters that only had 1 piece of armor fully transcendence done. I feel like calling it "Free" set up some false exceptions from players. But it is way easier than Echidna and Thaemine by a mile.
@@kudahorse-ou6cv you have to remember also that Korea typically got much harder version of raids, and they also had much longer to gear up between raids. You know how we have Thaemine NM, HM, and The First Mode? The first mode was the hard mode that was released in Korea. And was nerfed a bunch into the hard mode we currently have. We often get the Korean nerfed raid for us. So to them Behemoth was a extremely easy raid. But even for us, compared to Thaemine, Echidna, and even Brel back in the days. Behemoth is much much easier in comparison. DPS check really isn't a problem, I think the wings have a bit too much HP and need a nerf to make breaking wings easier. Which would in turn increase the raid dps, as you get more opportunities to DPS the head. The only mech I find problematic is the wave mech. But all of his other mechs are fairly easy to figure out and execute. Honestly a couple small nerfs and this raid would be pretty easy. Nerf the HP on the wings, nerf the damage so you don't get 1 shot by water and electricity debuff. Nerf the damage done by the wind on the outer ring on the last phase of the fight.
It’s not that ofc raid will become easier and will eventually become T4 maybe even 1640 but the thing is given the short time until next patch everyone thought they would let 1620 have a easier time instead they undernerfed it and made a returning players stick to Voldis
I already knew it was going to be hell but man 😂I’m glad I cleared it while I was 1620 with some juicers but that prog took 7 hours nobody was giving up 😂 but that will be the very last time I do behemoth
Not saying that my life is better than others but i don't feel like spending time to find lobby and prog in a 16 ppl raid. I just can't fit it into my life. This is going to be the first raid i give up and buy bus if possible
@@NoEditAndy I love the game and have been learning all the raid by myself up to echidna. But this big dragon seem too much for me. Guess this one is for the real hardcore player with a lot of free time
Normal mode of any raid shouldn't be this hard imo, normal mode should be where you have to learn the basic stuff, then you can just switch brain off and clear without having to think about it too much, then there should be hard mode that's hard, having normal raids that are this hard is just not good if you want a playerbase of both casual and hardcore players, as of now the game is too punishing for casual players, and barely being able to clear on ilvl is not the way it should be
Its not a raid for 1620 barebone alts, get some trans done, atleasst chest and pants and have lvl9 gems for 2 - 3 dmg skills and its easy clear, but people want free clear with subpar alts
This raid is easy af. I was away for half the week last week. I literally went in blind on saturday on my gs and ended up clearing on 3 pulls. Gate 1 was a 1 shot thats not even a gate. Hardest thing in this raid is having enough room on your block list to filter out the people who are playing with fists. Honestly how much easier do you want a raid. do you wanna walk in there and they hand you the clear rewards? Also for all you ray 1620s atleast get your trans up if you are gonna sit there and do sub 30 mil. My 1620 scrapper has chest and pants and does over 30 in there no excuses.
To me the most annoying thing of this boss are the wings and the tail blocking my vision of the paterns and if the blue orb mech starts its a gg Terrible raid design, they can nerf it to the ground but its still gonna be a dogshit raid to do
This raid was definitely easy, the problem has nothing to do with dps. It has to do with the fact that no one learns normal patterns even though the boss literally only has 3-4 and half of them aren't relevant.
Its caused more people to gatekeep in other raids too due to "low trans" when 1610-1620 was allowed lvl 7 less then a week ago. Its just caused people to be more toxic
The raid is balanced around people having transcendence and elixirs. If that is your excuse for not having it then you shouldnt be in behemoth and wait to do when u do the bare minimun which is pants/chest to 7. There's nothing toxic about expecting ppl to have the bare minimun for a fight.
@@kappakapp did u read what I said? I said its caused more people to gatekeep in OTHER RAIDS due to low transcendence, nonetheless MAJORITY of the people dont want it to be based around transcendence, they want a 16 man raid to be a relaxed one. For the health of the game, YOU should not want it to be this hard. Shits just doing more harm then good. There is like 3 different gold sinks rn, and tbh not very much time, its not gonna be the end of the world if 1 raid was made to be a lot easier.
@@NoEditAndy me neither (I clear day 1 in 3 hours) but in all the pugs (3) groups I played they fail stagger for a pixel. I mean we cleared without doing the stagger. also could just be a thing of day/week one. maybe this week (second) everyone is doing it correctly. But a mini nerf isnt bad people will be able to make some mistakes.
Raids not hard its just cancer to play with wonky hitboxes, forced to run around a boss the size of a truck and the boss itself covering some indicators
![[Lost Ark] Behemoth Commentary run](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FM-Ah5INhBo/mqdefault.jpg)
Some simple things they can do to make the raid a little easier:
1. The giga cringe pattern with the waves needs indicators showing where waves will appear before they spawn on top of you and knock you down.
2. The DPS required to break the wings and head need to be adjusted lower.
3. Indicators for which players will drop puddles needs to be more clear.
very realistic changes, thank you as always mr chicknwing
Great video hope some guys will hear the feedback
Personally PoE2 will release soon so tbh i dont feel concerned with the futur of lost ark in the west anymore
Hope the best for the ones that will keep on it tho
Doubt they will watch this video specifically but with all the feedback surveys being submitted, I'm hoping they do something about it as soon as possible or at least communicate that they are working on it.
It's clearable at 1620 lobbies but requires a lot of coordenation by the 16 players. Also having good transcendence helps a lot in the dps check. I managed to clear it on my 6 characters but yeah it for sure deserves some attention by AGS. Good video :)
thanks! yes, need transcendence for that insane power boost :D
The dps req is a joke we cleared it with full 1620 team on first try. Ty raid leader sinkovsky
Yeah sure, upload video to prove it
@@koynov333 sinkovsky is a known cheater in eu. he cheated the first clear hell calilligos with 4 of his own accounts
@@koynov333 still, it is doable with full 1620`s. i id that yesterday, if everyone knows what they are doing and are not cheapo about their items (like mr. youtuber who didnt use atro on first wing break). Also i recommend only taking 1620 who have at least chest/pants on 20 flower for dps/supp, the more the better
You know you are in good hands if you got sinkovsky on your team
This is so cringe if you didn’t even see why I didn’t. Maybe you don’t play souleater but I’m not going to atropine when my edge meter is halfway used up + this was a full 1630 lobby. People obsessed with atro on first wing. Wrong. Do some real damage and it turns out you don’t even need it. I didn’t even ape and use atro on the head break. And I used the atro on wings at a later time
you deserve my sub, in the past i kinda hesitate to sub lel and just wanna lurking, but i realize youre doing great content, gratz man, ya this is not design for 1620 ilvl, its just to hard, also this week lobby in in other raid except behemoth its like graveyard caus people focussing clearing behemoth and doing trans and elixir in whole account, so the lobby room like kinda graveyard. Really sad ithought its gonna be hard struggle like this, ican only clear on my Main with ilvl 1645. This raid not design for 1620 ilevel minimum for 1630 ilevel, its just tough.
WOOHOOO!! haha thanks for the sub and comment. I need more people like you to convert :D I completely agree with your comment too - transcendence and elixir npc filled with people with barely any lobbies up for anything other than Behemoth!
I have cleared it with full 1620 lobby. But it’s not easy. Need very seasoned 1620s.
It’ll get easier as people stop getting hit with more experience in the coming weeks imo
Agreed! But it should be easy without transcendence! They expect us to get full level 7 100+ flowers in a few hours before going to behemoth. Nonsense!
@@NoEditAndy yeah, exactly. Not enough time or materials given for your ‘average’ 1620 to power themselves up for the raid
Imagine if we got Behemoth with 35% more hp like Korea. If this is the backlash they’re getting now, it was a good thing they nerfed it so much.
The fact of the matter is, this raid is easy. Especially when you compare it to Thaemine and Echidna. If you progged Thaemine week 1 or Echidna week 1, that’s a pretty obvious fact.
The issue is so many people subconsciously watch Korea now (with ark passive and 3x more damage than us) and see how fast they nuke the boss, and are confused as to why we can’t do that. Go watch some early behemoth progs. They experienced the same issues
The dps check for g2 is around 26m to beat before enrage. You guys cleared in 13 minutes you said? That means you had 3 minutes to spare. That means your group had almost 25% more damage than needed. Y’all were nowhere close.
People complain before they know all the patterns. Of course the raid is going to seem hard when you’re prema knocked down, getting hit by every water pattern, etc.
What kind of game do you want? A game where all content is the difficulty of a guardian raid?
When everyone learns the patterns the boss is going to fall over with lives remaining.
The things that actually make this raid ass are Behemoths god awful hitbox as well as the visual clutter and certain angles making patterns really hard to see. The black hole + wave mech should have way more clarity than it does.
I still haven't done this one nor the other two that people are burning out on, but just doing the south kurzan msq, I knew this fat boi was gonna be a pain. His hurt box made trying to get to the back SOOOO annoying, especially if you're not a reaper.
Ive recleared this raid 3x (couldve done 6 because all my roster has good gems and atleast chest/pants trans) but i just couldnt be bothered to pug this 16 man garbage raid and have the potential to be jailed for what, 3k more gold ? I already know all his patterns and the raid itself is not hard once you do but its rather stupid and the design itself is horrible. I cant rely on 16 people to play well and i dont always wanna go back to party finder to kick the ones that imposter, its tiring just to unlock weapon trans that i wont do on my alts anyways until its nerfed so i might aswell do a quick ivory tower and be done.
🍍gang. Oh boi this raid... i cleared on day 2 and this was a mess. They either need to give 16 revives so everyone can have at least 1 fuck up as a backup, or nerf the hp of this dude, 710 bars is just insane we get it is 16 man, double dmg on head bla bla but still is a lot.
I think we got the 1640 kr version of hp and dmg with just a 1620 ilvl entry slapped in the front. And party finder same as other raid but double the amount of ppl we need to find.
And with the "trixion dummy" comment. Remember koreans also told us echidna was a guardian.. think of that as you will. Maybe make a static with the 🍍 gang? 🤔🤔😂
Perfectly said! Pineapple gang needs to do something frrr hahaha like a rat alt 1620 run XD
Really off topic from the video but I need some advice. I main destroyer and play both GT and RH on my main. Is it feasible to continue to do that into T4? If not which do you recommend? I'm currently enjoying GT more than RH but it's pretty close.
I don't see why not. Lost ark is all about experimenting with builds and trying stuff out! Try both out
I agree with every point you made 100%. I did clear twice but holy hell it was not easy and is all about dps it seems.
Yea, they definitely missed their mark on nerfing this boss. I just wanted a break after thaemine and echidna :(
As a Support we found out that bringin Marching Flag help a lot at the Waves Pattern. one side of the boss is more sagethan front and back and marching flag helps to geatzher your party so you can protect them. It requires a bit more communication but i think if more people do it then it will decrease the death for this shitty Pattern.
neat idea! Unfortunately, I don't see many supports doing this.
Not sure why people expect they shouldn't need any transcendence for Behemoth. Thaemine's been out for months, and they're giving out dark fire like Oprah on every event. Chest and pants is enough if people can actually play their classes.
The usual strategy for 1620 groups: everyone uses atropine on first wings. You must succeed the first break, if you fail just restart because it's probably heading for enrage. If you constantly fail, start replacing or leave. You should take at least a few burst classes to make it easier. On the second body break, you want to lower both wings to 15%. Third body break, destroy both wings and enjoy 15s uptime of double damage on the head with atropine. Use your last atropine in the last phase after Ren blasts Behemoth. It's extremely important that people can recognize and swap to the wings during the slam pattern, chipping 20% off of one is usually the difference between succeeding and failing to break.
My lowest raid DPS clear was 329M overall, which is an average of 27.4M DPS. Actual numbers were 34.2 on highest and 22.7 on lowest. Highest item level was 1622.5 and the majority only had chest + pants. Supports were pretty decent though, all above 80 attack power, 3/4 above 90 brand and 3/4 above 50 identity.
I'd just like to see the wave + lightning pattern nerfed, it's ridiculous. Rest is fine, IMO. There's only three weeks until everyone will power creep him anyway, with the power of T4 gems and 20 item levels for free.
Because the game is dying and we need new players badly, but the one raid that needs 16 people and could have been the raid that new and old players enjoy and run together and get people invested in the game became gatekeeping hell.
Having cleared the raid 8 times already. I really don't find the raid difficult at all and agree with the trixion dummy evaluation. The most "difficult" part of the raid is getting 16 people together that have eyes and hands to actually execute mechanics and dodge patterns.
One of the most important aspects of this raid is to dodge water patterns & swap to the wings when they're available. The less people get hit by water patterns, the more water patterns the boss will do. As the boss will swap to lightning patterns if it gets enough water debuffs on the raid. More water patterns leads to more opportunities to dps the wings in preparation for the body break, which lowers the dps requirement. Which I noticed you never really bothered to switch to the wings whenever they were down besides during the body break.
Our initial clear we mostly brought our mains, so the dps requirement wasn't an issue, even with people getting constantly hit by water patterns. After getting used to the patterns we had a much easier time on alts, which were only able to pull on average 24-25m dps at the time. We were able to full break everytime, using atropine on the first two body breaks, and by the third we'd had enough stacks of the attack buff to do so without atropines with the damage we would do during water patterns.
The only patterns I see people with multiple reclears have issues with now is the lightning & wave pattern, and the water pools. I feel that the initial waves should probably have some sort of red-line indicator to show where they're coming from, but other than that it's really not a difficult pattern. A better indicator, such as the boss doing a big animation for targeting people for pools would help in clarifying this pattern. The rest of his attack patterns have pretty forgiving telegraphs. A tail slam is always followed by the X wave or back up pattern. While rain always followed a tail swipe.
Overall I have to say Behemoth is much easier and more forgiving than any of the recent raids by far. It really is just a matter of dodging attack patterns and swapping to the wings whenever they are available. The dps requirements are fairly easy to meet, 24m+, as long as most of the raid is properly executing mechanics.
1. This was my first ever clear after prog so it's not going to be perfect. I make sure to dps wings throughout the fight now
2. Just because behemoth is easy to you and "just dodge bro" philosophy. Here's a wake up call for you. Not everyone is as gifted as you. As someone with multiple clears of this raid, I assure you this is not an easy raid. A raid that requires atrophine for wings is not an easy raid. A raid that has bad hitbox and visual clutter and poor telegraphed patterns is not an easy raid. The average casual Lost Ark player this game needs, is not looking for this. Now am I saying the boss needs to be a literal trixion dummy? No. Behemoth is pretty close as you said, but it has A LOT of flaws that you are brushing past.
Tbh 8 lives for each player would be nice :D P.S. Who the fuck decided it was a great idea to put mariu as a fodder that we have to defend yet we have no fucking tools to do so in the small area. Also when you return from guardians some behemoth patterns travels even on that road. We were coming back from nacrashena and he was in memorize patterns and we were wiped which is hella unfair. Also they named that crosbow as a "GIANT STROKE" what kind of sexual names they putting. Could have said defend while be prepare giant chain crossbows but nah some hentai artist had to name them.
LOL GIANT STROKE HAHA THAT WAS FUNNY
Actually Mariu there is a failed opportunity for support engagement. Imagine if the support's shield's / heals / atk buffs could affect him too when you go over to fight the guardian. In other MMOs there are boss fights that focus on healers/supps healing the boss back to health. LOA has never done that.
We had a boss enrage at x25 with full 1620 lvl20pants+chest lobby 1st try....a lot ppl were dead tho.
After that we werent able to see last phase in 2 hours changing ppl every few tries...
So its possible but not worth at all. Easier just wait a month and 1shot it with T4 gear
I think that might be why they didn’t nerf it too hard because with transcendence and t4 coming soon, dragon is going bye.
Absolute disappointment for me I was hoping in a chilling gap between sweaty echidna and t4 only to found out they misnerfed Behemoth. Just great
yea, this was supposed to be a guardian raid level difficulty. Disaster.
It's always been the case with new raids...way to much hp on the boss. They couldn't balance a potato in their hand when it comes to new raids. Like you said..very obvious they dont test properly in the west at least.
haha facts, no way someone tested this out beforehand and thought it was good to go...
plss solo mode theamine XD
Two of my friends that I raided with quit after last week. The combination of Behemoth being super overtuned + the requirement for all 1620 alts to have the transc you'd only spend gold / time on at 1630 for 1610/1620 content was too much. And tbh...I get it.
The only parties I've seen clearing had an overwhelming top half of dps at 1640+ with RMTd full 10s etc.etc. basically carrying the on ilvl regular players. This raid just exacerbated the fat ass issues in localizing this game. The gains from third party RMTing are only increasing and will hit new levels with t4 soft reset.
Yea, it's dumb seeing some of the comments continue to rationalize it. Can't say I'm not surprised.
i don't get why people complaining about this raid to me it strike the perfect difficulty balance spot especially when not at item level,
those special pattern atk in a overgear group context can even be chese with timestop,
if you party is overgear don't tunnel vison on atropine, you have ample time!!!!
what makes you fail is reaching the last phase with 0 life ress is not about not using atropine.
in my opinion if they end up nerfing this raid is a total non sense xD. Thaemine hard and Echidna hard are way worse than this.
and also is useless to bait casual players if they end up quitting anyway and regret it.
cuz the new raid coming in tier 4 WILL NOT BE EASY. IS MORE COMPLEX THAN BEHEMOTH.
so i'm telling you, if you are a new player and behemoth look rough for you, just call it the day already.
You will most likely quit at tier 4 Brelshaza raid. i have vietnam flashback only thinking on how hard another round of brelshaza will be... that raid will be another torture dejavu.
how you know you 2 place ? you use DPS tracker?
I added up my damage numbers while I was in raid and divided by time to get my dps
@@NoEditAndy math magician
This fat dragon was fun to prog in my main, but clearing it in my bard alt was a pain. BUT imo this is a 1620, it only has one deadly pattern that is the waves and lightening thing and people should just stop dying in that pattern. It is only week one of Behemoth, now we can go full trans with 1620 characters and people will learn how to dodge Behemoth attacks more for the next days. The big issue is people getting hit by his attacks, trolling tornados taking next to other people and dying for normal patterns. Once people get better at dodging and get their trans, it will be way easier (am i coping?)
A little bit of cope :D I still see people failing g2 kayangel mech. I will say you are mostly correct that as people transcend more and get used to patterns more, it will be less sucky, but that doesn’t mean it will be easy. Still takes way too long. Nearly 13 minutes for a 1630+ lobby
Well, I cleared 4 characters in the first week, but it was a bad experience, a lot of lobby simulator, a lot of stressed people, people asking for stops with just 2 tries, dealing with 15 other players is horrible, well, in 2 weeks when I finish the weapon transdence, goodbye behemoth.
echidna was a free raid they said, behemoth was a free raid they said, im scared when they say its a hard raid
Then another crash of players leaving the game (like Brel, like thaemine)
It's "free" in comparison to Thaemine and Echinda. Putting this into perspective, Echidna HM took me about 16 hours to clear week 1. I wasn't 1630 for week 1 of Thaemine week 1. It took me about 12 hours to clear Thaemine NM week 1. Thaemine HM G3 took me about 10 hours of prog to clear on week 2 when I made it to 1630.
Behemoth on the other hand, took me 4 hours to clear on my 1646 main, then took about 5 hours to pug 2 clears 2 1630 clears. I helped my friends with a half prog/half reclear group and we got 2 clears on my 1633 and 1620 alt, and a g1 clear on my 1620 bard. I pugged g2 and cleared in 2 pulls.
So in the time it took me to get 1 Echidna HM clear, I cleared behemoth 6 times, and 2 of which are on 1620 characters that only had 1 piece of armor fully transcendence done. I feel like calling it "Free" set up some false exceptions from players. But it is way easier than Echidna and Thaemine by a mile.
are they said its free in the first week of release ?
@@kudahorse-ou6cv you have to remember also that Korea typically got much harder version of raids, and they also had much longer to gear up between raids.
You know how we have Thaemine NM, HM, and The First Mode? The first mode was the hard mode that was released in Korea. And was nerfed a bunch into the hard mode we currently have. We often get the Korean nerfed raid for us. So to them Behemoth was a extremely easy raid.
But even for us, compared to Thaemine, Echidna, and even Brel back in the days. Behemoth is much much easier in comparison. DPS check really isn't a problem, I think the wings have a bit too much HP and need a nerf to make breaking wings easier. Which would in turn increase the raid dps, as you get more opportunities to DPS the head. The only mech I find problematic is the wave mech. But all of his other mechs are fairly easy to figure out and execute. Honestly a couple small nerfs and this raid would be pretty easy. Nerf the HP on the wings, nerf the damage so you don't get 1 shot by water and electricity debuff. Nerf the damage done by the wind on the outer ring on the last phase of the fight.
totally agree with you bro,i cleared it but it was way to hard
Indeed, need nerfs. This is obviously a 1630 raid (when you look at the average skill level of players)
The raid is not hard, having good teammates is the hard part.
The raid is hard when there's ppl doing less than 25m which is most likely to happen even 1630 players do less
its hard even when people doing 40m! (me!)
i love how people complain after the first week , literally first week of release
It’s not that ofc raid will become easier and will eventually become T4 maybe even 1640 but the thing is given the short time until next patch everyone thought they would let 1620 have a easier time instead they undernerfed it and made a returning players stick to Voldis
I already knew it was going to be hell but man 😂I’m glad I cleared it while I was 1620 with some juicers but that prog took 7 hours nobody was giving up 😂 but that will be the very last time I do behemoth
Yay atleast you cleared!!
Not saying that my life is better than others but i don't feel like spending time to find lobby and prog in a 16 ppl raid. I just can't fit it into my life. This is going to be the first raid i give up and buy bus if possible
Not at all, always prioritize your life first
@@NoEditAndy I love the game and have been learning all the raid by myself up to echidna. But this big dragon seem too much for me. Guess this one is for the real hardcore player with a lot of free time
What I do is hard gatekp and kick the lower dps
Normal mode of any raid shouldn't be this hard imo, normal mode should be where you have to learn the basic stuff, then you can just switch brain off and clear without having to think about it too much, then there should be hard mode that's hard, having normal raids that are this hard is just not good if you want a playerbase of both casual and hardcore players, as of now the game is too punishing for casual players, and barely being able to clear on ilvl is not the way it should be
well said. You are one of the smarter ones, congrats!
Its not a raid for 1620 barebone alts, get some trans done, atleasst chest and pants and have lvl9 gems for 2 - 3 dmg skills and its easy clear, but people want free clear with subpar alts
lol "easy" clear. Is your 1620 with level 9 gem and chest pants transcendence doing 40m?
Dont worry they will fix the raid for sure... in a month with T4 release by letting all 1620 stuggling alts jump to 1640 and overgear the raid xd
This raid is easy af. I was away for half the week last week. I literally went in blind on saturday on my gs and ended up clearing on 3 pulls. Gate 1 was a 1 shot thats not even a gate.
Hardest thing in this raid is having enough room on your block list to filter out the people who are playing with fists.
Honestly how much easier do you want a raid. do you wanna walk in there and they hand you the clear rewards?
Also for all you ray 1620s atleast get your trans up if you are gonna sit there and do sub 30 mil. My 1620 scrapper has chest and pants and does over 30 in there no excuses.
To me the most annoying thing of this boss are the wings and the tail blocking my vision of the paterns and if the blue orb mech starts its a gg
Terrible raid design, they can nerf it to the ground but its still gonna be a dogshit raid to do
100% It's like they never even tested the raid themselves. Such an obvious thing to fix too.
it is clearable at 1620, 100%
it is a nightmare to prog tho, requires too many people as well. I dislike this reaid a lot
Same here, sir!
This raid was definitely easy, the problem has nothing to do with dps. It has to do with the fact that no one learns normal patterns even though the boss literally only has 3-4 and half of them aren't relevant.
😂 dumb statement
Behemoth not hard i cleared 9x week 1 will gatekeep 10x next week :3
Wait 30 mins to fill up lobby in g2
Prog it 2 times and disband becuz no dmg 🤣🤣🤣 1620 raid my ass
Look like i will go back to bully akkan
Again
It seems they only lowered ilvl to enter but not the boss itself :D
Yep this is not a 1620 raid at all. Freely ignore any elitist who thinks they are god because they cleared it at 1620.
Its caused more people to gatekeep in other raids too due to "low trans" when 1610-1620 was allowed lvl 7 less then a week ago. Its just caused people to be more toxic
The raid is balanced around people having transcendence and elixirs. If that is your excuse for not having it then you shouldnt be in behemoth and wait to do when u do the bare minimun which is pants/chest to 7. There's nothing toxic about expecting ppl to have the bare minimun for a fight.
@@kappakapp did u read what I said? I said its caused more people to gatekeep in OTHER RAIDS due to low transcendence, nonetheless MAJORITY of the people dont want it to be based around transcendence, they want a 16 man raid to be a relaxed one. For the health of the game, YOU should not want it to be this hard. Shits just doing more harm then good. There is like 3 different gold sinks rn, and tbh not very much time, its not gonna be the end of the world if 1 raid was made to be a lot easier.
nah, just nerf the stagger mech thats it.
i actually never had a problem with the stagger mech o_o whack the crystal
@@NoEditAndy me neither (I clear day 1 in 3 hours) but in all the pugs (3) groups I played they fail stagger for a pixel. I mean we cleared without doing the stagger. also could just be a thing of day/week one. maybe this week (second) everyone is doing it correctly. But a mini nerf isnt bad people will be able to make some mistakes.
Raids not hard its just cancer to play with wonky hitboxes, forced to run around a boss the size of a truck and the boss itself covering some indicators