The thing about the door to the storeroom, a classic Kubrick move. If you notice when Halloran goes to open it and then it shifts to the view from inside, the door swings open on the opposite side. This freezer room is actually across the hall from when they first open it. (I know this was pointed out in your vid). So what does that do to the theory that there are two doors in the store room? A lot of people have spoken of the whole hotel as a maze.
Oddly SK was a combination of highly intelligent in the left brain mathematical sense and also the highly artistic, intuitive right brain dominance. Kind of a Bobbie Fischer mixed with Picasso lol.
The red Volkswagen bug was the one Jack used in the novel. I’d never heard King drove one but if true that’s absolutely hilarious! I feel like King pretty much made a fool of himself for years with his public disdain of the film, which is as u guys said, now universally acclaimed. Should’ve just kept his mouth shut because as the phrase goes, “In a battle of wits…”
I love your deep dive into my favourite movie. Thank you, guys! It's always a pleasure to listen to two individuals who are truly passionate about cinema as an art. I also would like to add that the ost in the Shining is an integral element to the unique, eerie, spine-chilling atmosphere of suspense and dread. Not only Penderecki but others modernist composers are represented in it: Bartok and Ligeti, for instance. Bartók's "Music for Strings Percussion and Celesta" is the epitome of a descent into madness, reflected in the musical score. This whole movie is a maze and it got you trapped, your mind wandering in circles, trying to decipher and decode and FEEL. It's truly filmmaking at its very best and a testament of Kubrick's genius.
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ 😱 aaaaaaaaah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! " odd as it may seem Max you and I are both perceived as monsters . " Kubrick might have fixed the movie going back and doings certain things a bit differently sometimes it's good to redo things over to help .
Having been in Colorado since 1985, I can confirm that snow ❄️ storms like that, especially in the mountains, can absolutely pile up incredibly quick and seemingly out of the blue.
They used a Bela Bartok composition in the scene of Jack and Danny alone in the bedroom. Gordon Stainforth was the music editor; he deserves credit for the soundtrack having the impact it did. The Steadicam inventor and operator was Garret Brown.
what makes The Shining(1980) so good as a horror movie is that it tows the line between reality and fantasy the supernatural and the imagination The Shining(1980) beautifully walks that fine line between psychological horror macabre horror and supernatural horror I believe that the supernatural is intertwined with the fact that the hotel is both a portal to the 10th dimension which would mean it’s a portal to the underworld where the souls of the dead roam Stanley Kubrick’s The Shining(1980) holds up fabulously well and still stands the test of time and it’s a fantastic well crafted masterpiece from a master auteur it is Stanley Kubrick’s magnum opus and it is a masterpiece
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ Ray : " who you gonna call . " Danny : " Ghostbusters ? " Peter : " no someone else . " it would also be funny to see this happen . Ripley : " get away from him you bitch ! "
Such a good episode! Such a classic movie and such a good episode. I absolutely love your guys' theories on the gold room. Every time I watch this movie I find something new.
Stephen King said that on October 30th 1974 when he stayed there he had a nightmare about his son being strangled by a possessed fire hose which laid the groundwork for the making of his 1977 novel The Shining
Wow thanks so much for including my theory it really made my day thanks!!! The dry drunk is very common and i go frequently to help in AA meetings so i see it all the time they also almost always have big mood swings. A big give away to it being a dry drunk is when gets in a fight with the family and he does to the bar to grab a drink 🥃. When he sees he has no money and ask lloyed hows my credit here, he was basically ask himself for permission. When he takes that first gulp and finishes the glass there is along pause because he drank 🥃. By the end of the scene we know he was by himself and with no alcohol and he was tense by the way he spoke to his wife so he was hallucinating to “cure”
The Shining(1980) fits the definition of a truly abstract cerebral thinking man’s version of eerie psychological horror that is somewhere along the lines of a truly esoteric metaphorical allegorical very philosophical psychological horror with an abstractionist oriented interpretation Stanley Kubrick’s legacy is described as the abstractionist version of a truer monolith
An interesting and intelligent discussion regarding a complex classic film. One of my favourites. Although I don't often subscribe to his themes, I do recognize Kubrick as a great filmmaker, and "The Shining" (TS) is certainly a masterpiece of cinema. I like it very much even though I'm not a fan of Stephen King or his books. This must be due solely to Kubrick. Well, let's also give credit to the actors and the production crew, too. As great as Nicholson and Duvall were in the film, that little boy, Danny Lloyd, really made the movie for me. I think he was five when he started filming TS. For a child that age, he was just outstanding. He himself came up with the finger puppet for Tony, his alter ego. Kudos, also, to Philip Stone and Joe Turkel for being quietly sinister and menacing. I don't want to forget good-guy Scatman Crothers, either. Well-done Scatman. Then there's the Overlook. Not only is it alive, but it is the personification of evil. TS has all the Kubrick touches. All those long hallway and hedge maze shots are one-point-perspective. That's a Kubrick trademark. Also, don't some of those nighttime hedge maze shots remind you of HAL's "eye" in 2001 a bit? They do me. Another characteristic of Kubrick is his focus on intense person-to-person interactions. Yeah, TS has just a little bit of that. By the way, isn't it weird HAL in 2001 acts like a person, and the people act like computers/robots? Those long tracking-shots as people move about the hotel are another Kubrick trait. The musical score as an integral part of the narrative of TS is also textbook Kubrick. Kubrick was a perfectionist, and that is reflected in his films. For example, background is as significant as foreground. Why does Jack's typewriter change color? Is it because Jack has been transformed? Oh, "All work and no play" goes back to at least 1659. It didn't originate with TS although it certainly fits. Why do bits of the hotel, like the furniture, for example, appear, disappear or move about? Is it because the hotel is alive? The answer is yes by the way. It's definitely not due to continuity problems. Finally, Kubrick always forces the viewer to think about and dissect his films. That certainly happens in TS. As a result, we and Kubrick share in a common creative impulse when watching TS. The film becomes a living thing. Here are a few of the other things I've noticed about TS. The film is replete with mirrors. They're everywhere. Watch how they affect Jack. Are they how the hotel projects its power? A portal of sorts? Do they also absorb power? Are they its eyes as well? Likewise, there are mazes everywhere. There's the obvious hedge maze, but the hotel itself is a maze, and so is the hallway carpet. Early on, Wendy remarks on the need for breadcrumbs, a reference to Hansel and Gretel and the maze-like quality of the hotel. TS is a variation of Theseus and the Minotaur with Danny as Theseus, Tony as Ariadne etc. Wendy also says the hotel is like a ghostship. The hotel feeds off Danny and Jack's shining power and gets more powerful as time passes. The hotel wants Danny dead so it can absorb him and his power. Did you notice all the knives pointed at Danny's head on several occasions in the film? When Hallorann and Danny are talking in the kitchen bits of the conversation were telepathic. Numbers seem to come up a lot in the film. For example, Danny wears a shirt with 42 on the sleeve, the tv with no power cord is showing "Summer of 42," and room 237 is 2x3x7=42. I think Kubrick's wife said "Summer of 42" was one of his favourite movies along with "The Bank Dick." The latter is a great movie with W. C. Fields. I love it when Danny asks Jack if he feels bad. That can be taken two ways as in do you feel evil or do you feel unwell. And, of course, Jack repeats the girls saying forever and ever, meaning I want to join with the hotel in death. Jack does, of course, sell his soul for a drink. Is that why Lloyd the bartender won't take his money? Jack's already paid in full? The people and things Danny and Jack see are real, but only people with shining can see them at first. When Jack returns to the ballroom where the 1920s party is going on, a woman walks by him with a bloody handprint on her backside. This is about the time the advocaat is spilled on him. Jack also wipes some advocaat on Grady's back. In the bathroom scene, it's clear Grady's girls also had "the shine" and wanted to destroy the hotel, but they were killed instead and absorbed. Grady himself, probably like Jack, also had "the shine." In the conversation between Jack and Grady, Grady switches between Grady and the entity of the hotel. Jack may also switch with the "caretaker." When Jack and Wendy are being shown their apartment, Jack eyes the two departing young ladies. A sign of his lechery? Ditto the girlie magazine he's reading in the lobby early on. He definitely has a wandering eye. Even early on, he doesn't seem to hold Wendy in high regard. When Jack enters room 237, the carpet there is obviously suggestive of the sex act. Very phallic etc. Sex, in one way or other, features in many Kubrick films. Room 237 is the heart of the hotel. The nude woman represents the hotel seducing Jack. The heartbeat we hear is the hotel's and signals the hotel's malevolent activity and increasing power. We hear it overtly later in the film but weakly earlier when Danny is riding the trike on/off the carpet and when Jack is bouncing the ball. The high-pitched tone indicates "shining" is happening. So Jack clearly shines, too. He's one of those who doesn't realize he has it. Jack several times in the film exhibits the Kubrick glare or stare, a shot of a man glowering up at the camera from beneath lowered brows, an indicator of danger or madness. You see it in "Full Metal Jacket." And I think HAL in 2001 also shows it. Doesn't HAL's red pupil change size? When Jack goes on his rant about his obligations to the hotel before Wendy conks him, he's not talking about Ullmann and co. He's talking about "the hotel," the thing that's alive. That's who he's made the contract and sold his soul to. Remember Lloyd the bartender's ominous hotel remarks. REDRUM is MURDER backwards, and it signifies anti-murder. It's a totem that protects against murder. That's why Danny writes it on the bathroom door. Jack can batter the door, but he won't get in. Danny is also warning Wendy and arming her as a result of his REDRUM recital. The photos are part of the hotel like the typewriter and furniture. When Jack dies, he's absorbed by the hotel and winds up in the 1920s photo. Towards the end, the hotel's evil spirit, the caretaker, may have abandoned Jack to die in the maze. He did fail in his task. That ball in the photo was the same one where the advocaat was spilled. So, he was there in 1921, and he wasn't. Kubrick deleted a final scene from TS. Wendy was in hospital and Ullman was visiting. He told her all was normal at the hotel. No Jack. At least, I think that's what I read once. Might be wrong about that. I've watched several reactions to TS, and I'm amazed at some of the observations. Got some beefs. A lot of people don't make a connection between Danny's first vision of the blood elevator, which signifies all the death at the hotel, and his passing out. They disassociate these two events when, clearly, they go together as the image of Danny's horrified face shows. From the get-go, it's clear Danny can see past events and future events. He knows Jack got the job and is going to call Wendy. He knows he doesn't want them to go to the hotel. He knows the hotel signifies danger. Why don't people notice that Danny's shirt and jumper are torn when he come to the Colorado Lounge after being strangled? Danny's clearly in shock, too. When Danny is foaming at the mouth and Hallorann is having his mini-fit, Danny is clearly communicating with Hallorann there is danger, come and help. How can Wendy be so sound asleep before Danny wakes her? Come on, the poor woman has been on edge for weeks. She hasn't been sleeping well. Now that she's locked crazy Jack up, she literally passes out, thinking they're safe. After Danny slides down from the bathroom window, why are people surprised he comes back into the hotel? It's freakin' cold outside. Do you live at the equator or something? After Jack kills Hallorann and Danny screams, why are people surprised when Danny bolts his hiding place? It's not a hiding place anymore, Jack knows where he is. Anyway, the hotel will lead him to Danny. Danny runs outside because he's actually luring Jack into the maze to meet his fate. Danny is the hero of TS, he's Theseus, who killed the half-man half-ghost monster in the maze.
I just watched the movies and came straight to RUclips to see you episode on it m. You have no idea how many movies I have watch just to watch your podcast 😂💯
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ Amd question I know you all were debating bout if it was supernatural or just hallucinations but doesn’t DOCTOR SLEEP confirme the supernatural !? Since we realize the shinning is real and all that !?
Another killer episode. Wow, you guys do your RESEARCH!! Very impressive stuff. I’ve seen” The Shining” at least 20 times and didn’t catch 90 percent of the stuff you guys talked about. 🤯 P.S. … are you guys telling me I need the Landscape “Lawnmower 4.0 Trimmer” or “Weed Whacker”??? Haha. Keep it up fellas!!
Steven Spielberg said that he was an amazing virtuoso perfectionist with impeccable craftsmanship that’s the reason why Stanley Kubrick is up there in the upper echelon of great filmmakers
I have a brilliant mum that let me watch this from a young age with her. It's a horrifically beautiful film. It's makes symmetry scary. I get that people like to watch this in October for Halloween but for myself and my mum it's our Christmas film.
Kubrick absolutely did speak about the supernatural elements in this film, including the paranormal. I’ve heard him speak about this in actual interviews so the idea there is nothing supernatural in the film is unquestionably debunked. That is not to diminish the psychological however which is at least as prominent and probably more-so . But he has denied that it is entirely one or the other with his very own mouth! He spoke about exploring ideas of ESP, the paranormal etc. and that he was unsure of the actual existence of such but was quite open to it. To me it’s the combination of the supernatural and psychological that really make this as frightening as it is.
one of the things I talk about regarding The Shining(1980) is that I’m very adamantly absolutely positively definitely certainly surely and vehemently dismissive of the idea that Kubrick faked the moon landing as it’s a baseless lie that pissed me off
I'm not sure you've read Ready Player One as you've mentioned several times about the Shining in it, but that scene was never in the book. Wade played Matthew Broderick's charter David Lightman from the movie War Games.
Hey guys I really enjoy listening to you guys talk about movies. I had always been a fan of the details of the shining. So I got real excited to hear the podcast on it. I’ve read it is a common misconception the twins in the shining are not actually twins. I think you guys said they were. Care to elaborate? Take care and keep up the great work.
USD is based on fiat (not hearsay) - meaning it's backed by the word of the U.S. government. Fiat money does not have intrinsic value and does not have use value. It has value only because a government maintains its value, or because parties engaging in exchange agree on its value. Hearsay is information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.
some of Stanley Kubrick’s movies have elements of Christian theology and eschatology littered throughout his movies with themes specifically such as heaven hell purgatory and the afterlife death and rebirth resurrection and reincarnation damnation and salvation
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my theory is Tony wanted full control of Danny's body and take over his life this means that spirit was never good just acting on his own interests you know sending away Danny forever and ever and ever .
With all of the stuff on the internet surrounding Kubrick being a total asshole, all I could picture during the scene of Wendy finding the papers was who did Kubrick make write all of that out? I just picture someone taking days to type all that out and come up with all those designs. It's not like they had Google Docs to make designs easily. Someone had to sit there and move the paper around for hours typing in tons of designs.
In one interview Kubrick compares the initial negative reviews of most f his films to a batter getting angry at the pitcher for not giving him the pitch he expected! He strikes out and blames to pitcher which is obviously laughable in that context. The thing about Kubrick and this film is not that he is never open to criticism or that his films were absolutely flawless but that almost all the criticisms are based on preconceived expectations and misunderstandings of the director, his purposes and of his massive attention to detail. They assume things about him or the film that may well apply to many other directors and films but with him it’s as you guys said, if it’s n the frame it is absolutely intentional, (probably well beyond any of us have been able to observe). The amount of symbolism and metaphors everywhere, including all the artwork etc is beyond mind boggling. The term genius is definitely overused these days but it absolutely does apply to Stanley Kubrick.
Wendy kind of looks like Goofy... also in one scene (only in the american cinematic release) there is a small Goofy Figure hanging from the wall while Wendy is in the shot... (the scene with the pediatric somewhere in beginning of the film)
Ok i have a theory but it's really out there so just go with me on it. Lol what if Wendy and Danny are dead before the credits even begin. And the whole movie is inside his mind and a psychiatrist is trying to get him to realize what he did. And it could actually be 1921. Wendy finding out about the abuse could have precipitated it (Bear costume scene). He can't face it so they get away at the end and he 'freezes' to death. One way they used to do electroshock therapy was ice baths. I know its out there but it's 5am and im going on no sleep. 😂😂😂
Plot twist - James and Anthony are the same person : There is no twins James is a psycho who changes his hair and outfit and plays both parts then splices it together… Dun Dun DUUUUUUN!
many flaws are in this you notice there is nothing hidden away but still I'm going to enjoy the movie even if it's not perfect and could have been a lot better with more efforta made .
Please please please review Robin Hood. Alan Rickman was unbelievable in this movie and apparently Kevin Costner had some of Rickmans scenes cut because he was just too good. Please review or I may be forced to UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!!
Since you don’t seem to understand how to be respectful, I will try to give you an example: I respectfully disagree with your opinion, and it is unsupported, therefore practically meaningless. Have a nice day.
LOL just say Rob Ager, I know you're starting to say colative learning. It's pronounced like in the movie Alien where Ash is saying him and mother are still collating. Unsubscribe
The thing about the door to the storeroom, a classic Kubrick move. If you notice when Halloran goes to open it and then it shifts to the view from inside, the door swings open on the opposite side. This freezer room is actually across the hall from when they first open it. (I know this was pointed out in your vid). So what does that do to the theory that there are two doors in the store room? A lot of people have spoken of the whole hotel as a maze.
The shining is a horror classic that has beyond stood the test of time.
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No way really
Stanley Kubrick earned my highest compliment which would be the fact that he’s like the equivalent of a cinematic mathematician
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Chess master.
Oddly SK was a combination of highly intelligent in the left brain mathematical sense and also the highly artistic, intuitive right brain dominance. Kind of a Bobbie Fischer mixed with Picasso lol.
been waiting all morning !!!!!!!!!!!! so excited
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The red Volkswagen bug was the one Jack used in the novel. I’d never heard King drove one but if true that’s absolutely hilarious! I feel like King pretty much made a fool of himself for years with his public disdain of the film, which is as u guys said, now universally acclaimed. Should’ve just kept his mouth shut because as the phrase goes, “In a battle of wits…”
I love your deep dive into my favourite movie. Thank you, guys! It's always a pleasure to listen to two individuals who are truly passionate about cinema as an art. I also would like to add that the ost in the Shining is an integral element to the unique, eerie, spine-chilling atmosphere of suspense and dread. Not only Penderecki but others modernist composers are represented in it: Bartok and Ligeti, for instance. Bartók's "Music for Strings Percussion and Celesta" is the epitome of a descent into madness, reflected in the musical score. This whole movie is a maze and it got you trapped, your mind wandering in circles, trying to decipher and decode and FEEL. It's truly filmmaking at its very best and a testament of Kubrick's genius.
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" odd as it may seem Max you and
I are both perceived as monsters . "
Kubrick might have fixed the movie going back and doings certain things a bit differently sometimes it's good to redo things over to help .
Having been in Colorado since 1985, I can confirm that snow ❄️ storms like that, especially in the mountains, can absolutely pile up incredibly quick and seemingly out of the blue.
It’s pretty scary actually
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They used a Bela Bartok composition in the scene of Jack and Danny alone in the bedroom. Gordon Stainforth was the music editor; he deserves credit for the soundtrack having the impact it did. The Steadicam inventor and operator was Garret Brown.
The greatest film ever made. So glad you guys have finally done an episode of it. Keep up the great work👍
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what makes The Shining(1980) so good as a horror movie is that it tows the line between reality and fantasy the supernatural and the imagination
The Shining(1980) beautifully walks that fine line between psychological horror macabre horror and supernatural horror
I believe that the supernatural is intertwined with the fact that the hotel is both a portal to the 10th dimension which would mean it’s a portal to the underworld where the souls of the dead roam
Stanley Kubrick’s The Shining(1980) holds up fabulously well and still stands the test of time and it’s a fantastic well crafted masterpiece from a master auteur it is Stanley Kubrick’s magnum opus and it is a masterpiece
OMG YES!! Been waiting for the Shining for a long time.
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Ray : " who you gonna call . "
Danny : " Ghostbusters ? "
Peter : " no someone else . "
it would also be funny to
see this happen .
Ripley : " get away
from him you bitch ! "
Such a good episode! Such a classic movie and such a good episode. I absolutely love your guys' theories on the gold room. Every time I watch this movie I find something new.
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43:22 JACK Daniels .... get it !!!
Been waiting for this episode for a while. Pumped to listen to this all day at work
Heck yeah 👏
you guys listened to me! ill take full credit for the idea. btw favorite movie of all time
Your are basically a co-host now
I've seen a lot of vids on The Shining. You guys did a GREAT JOB. keep up the great work.
Thank you!
yoo found y’all on tiktok, love your channel!!
Thanks!!
the photo says July 4th 1921 regarding that photo
First time viewer! Glad this was my first episode! Can’t wait to go into the archives
Thanks for checking it out Kirk! 🙌
Love this movie. No-one plays crazy like Jack Nicholson. Beautifully shot, with so many iconic moments. An interesting version of King’s novel.
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Stephen King said that on October 30th 1974 when he stayed there he had a nightmare about his son being strangled by a possessed fire hose which laid the groundwork for the making of his 1977 novel The Shining
Wow thanks so much for including my theory it really made my day thanks!!! The dry drunk is very common and i go frequently to help in AA meetings so i see it all the time they also almost always have big mood swings. A big give away to it being a dry drunk is when gets in a fight with the family and he does to the bar to grab a drink 🥃. When he sees he has no money and ask lloyed hows my credit here, he was basically ask himself for permission. When he takes that first gulp and finishes the glass there is along pause because he drank 🥃. By the end of the scene we know he was by himself and with no alcohol and he was tense by the way he spoke to his wife so he was hallucinating to “cure”
Never thought about it before! It’s fascinating!
You guys give off great vibes keep up the great work!
Thanks!
The Shining(1980) fits the definition of a truly abstract cerebral thinking man’s version of eerie psychological horror that is somewhere along the lines of a truly esoteric metaphorical allegorical very philosophical psychological horror with an abstractionist oriented interpretation
Stanley Kubrick’s legacy is described as the abstractionist version of a truer monolith
Kubrick was always ahead of his time
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ exactly even as an abstractionist filmmaker
@@karanvirkooner1993 that’s why the movie was not liked by critics and audiences upon its initial release
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ exactly and they didn’t understand the abstract style of psychological horror that Stanley Kubrick wanted to make
@@karanvirkooner1993 and people who don’t like the Shining tend to look at it on its surface only
Martin Scorsese loves The Shining(1980) and he put it on his list of 11 scariest movies of all time
An interesting and intelligent discussion regarding a complex classic film. One of my favourites.
Although I don't often subscribe to his themes, I do recognize Kubrick as a great filmmaker, and "The Shining" (TS) is certainly a masterpiece of cinema. I like it very much even though I'm not a fan of Stephen King or his books. This must be due solely to Kubrick. Well, let's also give credit to the actors and the production crew, too. As great as Nicholson and Duvall were in the film, that little boy, Danny Lloyd, really made the movie for me. I think he was five when he started filming TS. For a child that age, he was just outstanding. He himself came up with the finger puppet for Tony, his alter ego. Kudos, also, to Philip Stone and Joe Turkel for being quietly sinister and menacing. I don't want to forget good-guy Scatman Crothers, either. Well-done Scatman. Then there's the Overlook. Not only is it alive, but it is the personification of evil.
TS has all the Kubrick touches. All those long hallway and hedge maze shots are one-point-perspective. That's a Kubrick trademark. Also, don't some of those nighttime hedge maze shots remind you of HAL's "eye" in 2001 a bit? They do me. Another characteristic of Kubrick is his focus on intense person-to-person interactions. Yeah, TS has just a little bit of that. By the way, isn't it weird HAL in 2001 acts like a person, and the people act like computers/robots? Those long tracking-shots as people move about the hotel are another Kubrick trait. The musical score as an integral part of the narrative of TS is also textbook Kubrick. Kubrick was a perfectionist, and that is reflected in his films. For example, background is as significant as foreground. Why does Jack's typewriter change color? Is it because Jack has been transformed? Oh, "All work and no play" goes back to at least 1659. It didn't originate with TS although it certainly fits. Why do bits of the hotel, like the furniture, for example, appear, disappear or move about? Is it because the hotel is alive? The answer is yes by the way. It's definitely not due to continuity problems. Finally, Kubrick always forces the viewer to think about and dissect his films. That certainly happens in TS. As a result, we and Kubrick share in a common creative impulse when watching TS. The film becomes a living thing.
Here are a few of the other things I've noticed about TS. The film is replete with mirrors. They're everywhere. Watch how they affect Jack. Are they how the hotel projects its power? A portal of sorts? Do they also absorb power? Are they its eyes as well? Likewise, there are mazes everywhere. There's the obvious hedge maze, but the hotel itself is a maze, and so is the hallway carpet. Early on, Wendy remarks on the need for breadcrumbs, a reference to Hansel and Gretel and the maze-like quality of the hotel. TS is a variation of Theseus and the Minotaur with Danny as Theseus, Tony as Ariadne etc. Wendy also says the hotel is like a ghostship. The hotel feeds off Danny and Jack's shining power and gets more powerful as time passes. The hotel wants Danny dead so it can absorb him and his power. Did you notice all the knives pointed at Danny's head on several occasions in the film? When Hallorann and Danny are talking in the kitchen bits of the conversation were telepathic. Numbers seem to come up a lot in the film. For example, Danny wears a shirt with 42 on the sleeve, the tv with no power cord is showing "Summer of 42," and room 237 is 2x3x7=42. I think Kubrick's wife said "Summer of 42" was one of his favourite movies along with "The Bank Dick." The latter is a great movie with W. C. Fields. I love it when Danny asks Jack if he feels bad. That can be taken two ways as in do you feel evil or do you feel unwell. And, of course, Jack repeats the girls saying forever and ever, meaning I want to join with the hotel in death. Jack does, of course, sell his soul for a drink. Is that why Lloyd the bartender won't take his money? Jack's already paid in full? The people and things Danny and Jack see are real, but only people with shining can see them at first. When Jack returns to the ballroom where the 1920s party is going on, a woman walks by him with a bloody handprint on her backside. This is about the time the advocaat is spilled on him. Jack also wipes some advocaat on Grady's back. In the bathroom scene, it's clear Grady's girls also had "the shine" and wanted to destroy the hotel, but they were killed instead and absorbed. Grady himself, probably like Jack, also had "the shine." In the conversation between Jack and Grady, Grady switches between Grady and the entity of the hotel. Jack may also switch with the "caretaker." When Jack and Wendy are being shown their apartment, Jack eyes the two departing young ladies. A sign of his lechery? Ditto the girlie magazine he's reading in the lobby early on. He definitely has a wandering eye. Even early on, he doesn't seem to hold Wendy in high regard. When Jack enters room 237, the carpet there is obviously suggestive of the sex act. Very phallic etc. Sex, in one way or other, features in many Kubrick films. Room 237 is the heart of the hotel. The nude woman represents the hotel seducing Jack. The heartbeat we hear is the hotel's and signals the hotel's malevolent activity and increasing power. We hear it overtly later in the film but weakly earlier when Danny is riding the trike on/off the carpet and when Jack is bouncing the ball. The high-pitched tone indicates "shining" is happening. So Jack clearly shines, too. He's one of those who doesn't realize he has it. Jack several times in the film exhibits the Kubrick glare or stare, a shot of a man glowering up at the camera from beneath lowered brows, an indicator of danger or madness. You see it in "Full Metal Jacket." And I think HAL in 2001 also shows it. Doesn't HAL's red pupil change size? When Jack goes on his rant about his obligations to the hotel before Wendy conks him, he's not talking about Ullmann and co. He's talking about "the hotel," the thing that's alive. That's who he's made the contract and sold his soul to. Remember Lloyd the bartender's ominous hotel remarks. REDRUM is MURDER backwards, and it signifies anti-murder. It's a totem that protects against murder. That's why Danny writes it on the bathroom door. Jack can batter the door, but he won't get in. Danny is also warning Wendy and arming her as a result of his REDRUM recital. The photos are part of the hotel like the typewriter and furniture. When Jack dies, he's absorbed by the hotel and winds up in the 1920s photo. Towards the end, the hotel's evil spirit, the caretaker, may have abandoned Jack to die in the maze. He did fail in his task. That ball in the photo was the same one where the advocaat was spilled. So, he was there in 1921, and he wasn't. Kubrick deleted a final scene from TS. Wendy was in hospital and Ullman was visiting. He told her all was normal at the hotel. No Jack. At least, I think that's what I read once. Might be wrong about that.
I've watched several reactions to TS, and I'm amazed at some of the observations. Got some beefs. A lot of people don't make a connection between Danny's first vision of the blood elevator, which signifies all the death at the hotel, and his passing out. They disassociate these two events when, clearly, they go together as the image of Danny's horrified face shows. From the get-go, it's clear Danny can see past events and future events. He knows Jack got the job and is going to call Wendy. He knows he doesn't want them to go to the hotel. He knows the hotel signifies danger. Why don't people notice that Danny's shirt and jumper are torn when he come to the Colorado Lounge after being strangled? Danny's clearly in shock, too. When Danny is foaming at the mouth and Hallorann is having his mini-fit, Danny is clearly communicating with Hallorann there is danger, come and help. How can Wendy be so sound asleep before Danny wakes her? Come on, the poor woman has been on edge for weeks. She hasn't been sleeping well. Now that she's locked crazy Jack up, she literally passes out, thinking they're safe. After Danny slides down from the bathroom window, why are people surprised he comes back into the hotel? It's freakin' cold outside. Do you live at the equator or something? After Jack kills Hallorann and Danny screams, why are people surprised when Danny bolts his hiding place? It's not a hiding place anymore, Jack knows where he is. Anyway, the hotel will lead him to Danny. Danny runs outside because he's actually luring Jack into the maze to meet his fate.
Danny is the hero of TS, he's Theseus, who killed the half-man half-ghost monster in the maze.
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I just watched the movies and came straight to RUclips to see you episode on it m. You have no idea how many movies I have watch just to watch your podcast 😂💯
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@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ Amd question I know you all were debating bout if it was supernatural or just hallucinations but doesn’t DOCTOR SLEEP confirme the supernatural !? Since we realize the shinning is real and all that !?
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Stanley Kubrick also shot The Shining(1980) with a wide angle 18mm lenses for the horror aesthetic that he wanted for The Shining(1980)
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Another killer episode. Wow, you guys do your RESEARCH!! Very impressive stuff. I’ve seen” The Shining” at least 20 times and didn’t catch 90 percent of the stuff you guys talked about. 🤯 P.S. … are you guys telling me I need the Landscape “Lawnmower 4.0 Trimmer” or “Weed Whacker”??? Haha. Keep it up fellas!!
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Great show fellas! Fun show! 😊
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Awesome episode and the perfect way to kick off spooky season!! Can't wait to watch the film again now.
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Seen you guys filming on tiktok and have been waiting it to get put on RUclips
Haha you got the sneak peek
Steven Spielberg said that he was an amazing virtuoso perfectionist with impeccable craftsmanship that’s the reason why Stanley Kubrick is up there in the upper echelon of great filmmakers
originally Jerry Goldsmith was set to score The Shining(1980) but he backed out the same goes for Ennio Morricone
This episode is probably the best one so far but god I actually felt pretty terrified just listening to all the details. Made me think so much.
Glad you enjoyed!
You guys should do Doctor Sleep soon
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That’s awesome! Do you think you guys could go over Dr Sleep at some point?
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I have a brilliant mum that let me watch this from a young age with her. It's a horrifically beautiful film. It's makes symmetry scary. I get that people like to watch this in October for Halloween but for myself and my mum it's our Christmas film.
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Kubrick absolutely did speak about the supernatural elements in this film, including the paranormal. I’ve heard him speak about this in actual interviews so the idea there is nothing supernatural in the film is unquestionably debunked. That is not to diminish the psychological however which is at least as prominent and probably more-so . But he has denied that it is entirely one or the other with his very own mouth! He spoke about exploring ideas of ESP, the paranormal etc. and that he was unsure of the actual existence of such but was quite open to it. To me it’s the combination of the supernatural and psychological that really make this as frightening as it is.
one of the things I talk about regarding The Shining(1980) is that I’m very adamantly absolutely positively definitely certainly surely and vehemently dismissive of the idea that Kubrick faked the moon landing as it’s a baseless lie that pissed me off
The hotel is its own character….very looming. I love when filmmakers use locations/Objects in this way
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Jerry Goldsmith was set to score The Shining(1980) but he backed out
Roger Ebert added The Shining(1980) to his list of great movies
I’ve been waiting for a new episode and I definitely needed this one today. I’ve got a long ass shift but this beforehand. Oh yea 🤙😁
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Lol I listened to this episode when it came out.. loved it and tonight me and my dog are watching the shining for the first time ..
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I'm not sure you've read Ready Player One as you've mentioned several times about the Shining in it, but that scene was never in the book. Wade played Matthew Broderick's charter David Lightman from the movie War Games.
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Perfect podcast for spooky season 👻 I love this movie.
All the little details you guys talk about in the video are insane 😱…GREAT JOB!!!
So thanks so much Andrea! We got lots more spooky content coming 😈
Stanley Kubrick’s the equivalent of a cinematic mathematician
Hey guys I really enjoy listening to you guys talk about movies. I had always been a fan of the details of the shining. So I got real excited to hear the podcast on it. I’ve read it is a common misconception the twins in the shining are not actually twins. I think you guys said they were. Care to elaborate? Take care and keep up the great work.
Thanks so much! So the confusion is because even though Kubrick cast real twins, he made them look a little different!
@@raidersofthelostpodcast_ Holy crap! Mind blown! Kubrick is the master of messing with the mind!
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love this episode
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the blood pouring out of the elevator is a really abstract metaphor regarding the Native American genocide the Holocaust and the 1984 Sikh genocide
USD is based on fiat (not hearsay) - meaning it's backed by the word of the U.S. government. Fiat money does not have intrinsic value and does not have use value. It has value only because a government maintains its value, or because parties engaging in exchange agree on its value.
Hearsay is information received from other people that one cannot adequately substantiate; rumor.
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some of Stanley Kubrick’s movies have elements of Christian theology and eschatology littered throughout his movies with themes specifically such as heaven hell purgatory and the afterlife death and rebirth resurrection and reincarnation damnation and salvation
I believe that the hotel is a living breathing pulsing malevolent entity with a beating heart at it’s core
I thought Jack Nicholson was a fire fighter at some point. That’s why he was able to handle the axe.
I fell in love with your guys podcast since The lord of the rings episode. All ways Excited to see a new episode on spotify
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jack with that axe is more scary than jason michael and freddy combined
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Even with no weapon at all he’s legit terrifying like I can’t get the stairwell scene out of my head since watching it
Theres no possible way to replace 60 doors in only three days
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my theory is Tony wanted full control of Danny's body and take over his life this means that spirit was never good just acting on his own interests you know sending away Danny forever and ever and ever .
With all of the stuff on the internet surrounding Kubrick being a total asshole, all I could picture during the scene of Wendy finding the papers was who did Kubrick make write all of that out? I just picture someone taking days to type all that out and come up with all those designs. It's not like they had Google Docs to make designs easily. Someone had to sit there and move the paper around for hours typing in tons of designs.
Not much different from working in an office though
@raidersofthelostpodcast_ Yeah I didn't think about it like that. So happy I don't work a desk job lol.
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In one interview Kubrick compares the initial negative reviews of most f his films to a batter getting angry at the pitcher for not giving him the pitch he expected! He strikes out and blames to pitcher which is obviously laughable in that context. The thing about Kubrick and this film is not that he is never open to criticism or that his films were absolutely flawless but that almost all the criticisms are based on preconceived expectations and misunderstandings of the director, his purposes and of his massive attention to detail. They assume things about him or the film that may well apply to many other directors and films but with him it’s as you guys said, if it’s n the frame it is absolutely intentional, (probably well beyond any of us have been able to observe). The amount of symbolism and metaphors everywhere, including all the artwork etc is beyond mind boggling. The term genius is definitely overused these days but it absolutely does apply to Stanley Kubrick.
We've been to the moon because the soviets had the sourveillance tech to monitor the movement of the spaceship, so they confirmed it
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Wendy kind of looks like Goofy... also in one scene (only in the american cinematic release) there is a small Goofy Figure hanging from the wall while Wendy is in the shot... (the scene with the pediatric somewhere in beginning of the film)
Ok i have a theory but it's really out there so just go with me on it. Lol what if Wendy and Danny are dead before the credits even begin. And the whole movie is inside his mind and a psychiatrist is trying to get him to realize what he did. And it could actually be 1921. Wendy finding out about the abuse could have precipitated it (Bear costume scene). He can't face it so they get away at the end and he 'freezes' to death. One way they used to do electroshock therapy was ice baths. I know its out there but it's 5am and im going on no sleep. 😂😂😂
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10:20 ???? CALLATIVE LEARNING? ? YOU MEAN
COLLECTIVE LEARNING........WOW HE JUST FUMBLED THE BALL THAT BAD
nice movie , but the love ends no marriage
Please do a Scarface episode! GOAT movie.
Great idea
Was it arms at the gym before shooting this James? Mans looking swole😂
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Plot twist - James and Anthony are the same person : There is no twins James is a psycho who changes his hair and outfit and plays both parts then splices it together… Dun Dun DUUUUUUN!
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many flaws are in this you notice there is nothing hidden away but still I'm going to enjoy the movie even if it's not perfect and could have been a lot better with more efforta made .
Heh Jack Daniels is most definitely a bourbon. ;)
Please please please review Robin Hood. Alan Rickman was unbelievable in this movie and apparently Kevin Costner had some of Rickmans scenes cut because he was just too good. Please review or I may be forced to UNSUBSCRIBE!!!!!
Amazing movie!! We will add tot the list!! 😂😂
Hey guys, love yer podcast. I just posted a super low budge video on a Shining theory I think I discovered. Dickie Holmes on RUclips.
Thank you! We’ll check it out
You guys are just over analyzing… what’s the big deal it’s just a wonderful movie of a family vacation
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The movie is about sexual abuse. Jack is sexually abusing Danny.
Talked about it in the episode 👍🏻
I googled the shining on youtube and didn’t get any results, UNSUBSCRIBED
THE FIRST 6 WORDS OF THAT SENTENCE MAKES NO SENSE RESUBSCRIBE
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The movie sucks, the book doesn’t.
Since you don’t seem to understand how to be respectful, I will try to give you an example:
I respectfully disagree with your opinion, and it is unsupported, therefore practically meaningless. Have a nice day.
LOL just say Rob Ager, I know you're starting to say colative learning. It's pronounced like in the movie Alien where Ash is saying him and mother are still collating. Unsubscribe
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