I am in the same boat. My most popular video ever was a casting and powdercoating video, and it got removed. That seems to be their favorite target right now. It's just a matter of time before they get to the rest of our reloading videos. Pretty sad. So much great info, that take a huge amount of time, effort and money, are getting deleted.
If you go through www.hausofarms.com the pricing is pretty reasonable. Barrels typically running around $280, very versatile! I own both the Encore and the Contender G2.
Chasing lands is a mistake- One shot and fouling changes the dimension. Getting within 20-30 thou is fine. Those guns are never sensitive enough, nor are the distances long enough to matter. I appreciate your enthusiasm! Excellent video! Thanks
Years ago I purchased a Harrington Richardson single shot in .357 Max, I’ve taken many deer with it. The longest shot was at around 125yrds. Great hunting round, I shoot 158 grain hollow points.
Just to add to the mix, there is a cartridge in between the 357 Magnum and Maximum :- 360 Dan Wesson. Brass length is c. 1.41” & is reputed to be less fussy than the Max as far as reloading goes. Brass is available from Starline.
357 maximum from a carbine is awesome. I have a H&R Handi Rifle that I rechambered. I use a LBT 180 grain bullet with lil gun powder. I have never tried AA1680 but I hear that is the top dog powder for this round in a carbine.
Good idea, I rechambered an Italian Rolling Block for 357 Max. It's pretty heavy because it has an octagon barrel. What I wanted to do was load the max with black powder just for fun. Have shot some factory ammo and the bullet gets to the 100 yard line mighty quick. Might try some 777 in the Rolling Block with some powder coated SWC bullets. It's too bad that no factory made a carbine for it early in its life. I suppose I could get a custom tc Contender carbine barrel. Thanks for your comment. 357 Max is a fine round.
As usual, awsome video Steve!!. Never mind Y.T. playing as pseudo-Holy Inquisition with their Medieval-ish removal of great guns & reloading videos, since now we can enjoy those thru The Reloaders Network, thanks to the hard work of Loads of Bacon, ThorsAxe, yourself and several others who created/joined that source of ballistic info. Thank you kindly for your dedicated work and selflessness that benefit us shooters all around the Globe!; Best regards, and God Bless!!🙏
Mr. 45LC: I've looked up stats on the 357 max, its an impressive cartridge. A while ago I talked to you about buying a 475 Linebaugh. I saw Magnum Research is going to start making a 500 Linebaugh. I went to order one and in the used section at the store was a hardly used 500 smith. I got a great deal on it so that's what I got instead. Bought 1 box of factory ammo, wow its pricy. I'm heading to the basement to work up rounds to test tomorrow. It is extremely accurate. It kicks a little bit but I'm very satisfied with it. Thank you for your advice before. You are a valuable recourse to younger enthusiasts such as myself.
Both my brother and my uncle had 14" TC Contenders back when this round was introduced. They would plink with the .38 specials and hunt with the Maximums. I'm petty sure revolvers were made by S & W. I was told they suffered from bad throat erosion and cutting of the top strap at the cylinder gap caused by the super hot gasses. Thats why they were discontinued. I really think that a modern lever action rifle, like the Marlin 94 in .357, would handle the pressure of the Maximum. I just don't feel like taking a chance and trying it!!
I have a 357 Maximum in a Thomson Contender, 14 inch barrel. I have had great luck with the 35 rem 200gn Hornady bullet, with 14.1 gn of 4227. I shoot 1 inch grouping at 100 yards. The brass is expensive and hard to find. Great video.
I have a 357 Max barrel on a T/C Contender and it is a wrist kicker. I only have 20 pieces of brass though purchased about 1980. Thanks for the Starline tip.
Sounds like a great item. I will have to check out Bulberry to see what they have for old model Contenders. Then again, i just might buy an Encore, since they are so versatile. Finances are better, but i'm still trying to get some things squared away. When the weather improves, maybe i can go out to the club and burn some powder. Great video as always, Steve. Keep fighting the good fight
I regret not buying a used Encore just like yours, the barrel was a 25-06, also had a 12g rifled barrel for an additional cost, but I bought a Reminder 700 lefty instead. I have been kicking my self ever since.
I have an Encore like that in 45-70. I also have a Ruger No3 that i had re-barrelled into .357 Max. My .357 Max started life with cast bullets and had only ever been cleaned with Ed's Red. I put 50 x 158gn jacketed bullets @ 2100fps through it over the weekend and had no copper fouling whatsoever ( i used a copper solvent to check) which surprised me. Ed does say that Ed's Red will condition the bore to prevent fouling. Maybe he's right. The .357 Max is fast becoming a favourite cartridge.
Michael Streeter - As is mine to me...I've already done some testing with the 180 gr Hot Cores and impressive with smiles..!! That Bullberry barrel is a sweetie. Have a great day, FC Steve
My Remington brass has wild variation in rim thickness. With only 0.006" max headspace recommended and 0.005" variation in brass setting headspace is leaves much to be desired. My Starline brass is much more consistent.
Ooo boy, .38 SC out of that .357 max chamber will have a lottttt of jump from case to lands! I'd be very surprised if accuracy did not suffer at all. 😮
Im not sure what the formula was, but have read somewhere with the 140 grain hornady leverolution bullet in 357 max, guys were getting above 2000 fps. Maybe 2400+ fps but am not sure. I will have to find the data again if I can. Reason I researched, was back when Indiana was allowing the wildcat 358 cal rifle calibers that met the specs to be legally considered pistol caliber rifles, many were getting custom rifles made to take advantage of how the rules read. One of those calibers was called the 358 Hoosier. I argued the point, why not just go with a 357 max and save some money. There were also some existing calibers, that if you trimmed the brass to the spec were also allowed, like the 35 rem. Oddly Indiana before was allowing centerfire rifles, were allowing these wildcats that were basically just as centerfire rifle as a 30-06 or similar, and calling them pistol calibers if they met the spec. When they opened up the rifle options to regular calibers, that pretty much fazed the wildcats out. Some of the wildcats were basically short magnums with a .358 bullet.
I never heard of the .357 Maximum round, and you answered all my questions. Thank you. Gevalia is good coffee, French press. Delish. Now we're even. Buwahahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha 😆😂😂😁😂😆 haha 😂🤣
back in the early 90s i used the 357 max in tc contender in silhouette competition i was using 200gr cast gas check that was made for 35 rem cartridge loaded to around 1400 fps
If I get a .357 Magnum reamed to Maximum, could I expect all .358 rifle bullets to fit fine (aside from possibly .358 Win and .35 Whelen bullets possibly not going fast enough to expand properly; .35 Remington bullets might work fine)? If so, that would offer a lot of reloading options. I'm sorry to hear of your troubles with youtube, you put out high quality stuff!
A Henry Single Shot in 357 Magnum would be a perfect candidate to get rechambered to 357 Maximum. Great for hunting and then you can have 357 Magnum and 38 Special for plinking.
I'm all for new loadings, cartridges and calibers when they accomplish something. That said.. Seem it would've been easier and cheaper, in the long run, to just go to .41mag or even .44 mag.. But, I am only a plinker :) Thanks Steve!
Did Ruger ever make anything for 357 Maximum? It seems to be one of those cartridges always hovering on the brink of Oblivion, but like .327 Magnum it stays alive--as Ruger still makes revolvers for it.
I have sourced Johnson Paste Wax. Maybe 200 cans, I thought they had discontinued a couple years ago but the store can get a couple hundred if anyone is interested.
Love your videos fortune cookie. Very informative. Have you tried 360 dan wesson? Alot of lever action will run with minor customization. 360 loads on same dies as 357 max
Jim Breedlove - The 360 DW would work in guns that would not accomodate the 357 Maximum. I haven't tried it and shortening my Maximum brass wouldn't make much sense. If Starline ever makes the brass again, I probably would get some of that though... Happy Thanksgiving to ya..!! Steve
Hey Steve, UT really sucks, but what can you do but upload to other sites like TRN and others. I was watching this video and was wondering when you were going to discuss bullet jump and then you did :-) Great idea, I don't have a single shot rifle but will remember your trick. Will look for the demo of that barrel.
Your opening statement has no validity as I was there in 1975 and following. Remington Arms and RUGER developed the cartridge. Back dated documents suddenly appeared after the development of the cartridge. Information was leaked to Elgin in 1980- 1981 during development of cartridge. We developed a .223/ 357/in 1979. No manufacture of arms or ammunition ever produced the drawings that suddenly appeared after its release. However, I and several others in contact from 1975 and advanced much of the .357 loading for Handgun silhouette. At no time did Elgin any information about and extended .357. Appreciate your technical information about the loading of the .357 Maximum. I have watched other videos you have produced. The were very informative. The case head stamp is .357 REM Max nothing else official. Some boutique cases were made with another head stamp as anyone can do. The SAMMI cartridge is .357 Maximum.
My brother bought the reamer and did his Handy Rifle from 357 Mag to Max. In my opinion, velocity gain (if any) wasn't worth it and accuracy suffered drastically when he used 357 Mag. Speer and Lyman manuals have data. Good luck.
You can always put your videos on TRN. You might not make any money, but it sounds like RUclips is taking your money away here and at least your content will be welcomed and appreciated at TRN.
I know this is old, but here goes. The 357 Max will give you another 150 yards further than the 44 mag, while retaining more than enough knockdown power. Really no comparison in handguns or rifles, 357 max outperforms 44 mag, hands down.
Michael Tab - Let's just say that 357 Maximum -- 24 grains of 1680 with that 180 gr Speer Hot Core is good for one hole 5 shot groups at 25 yards from rest at average MV (10 feet from muzzle) 1945 fps and average SD of 9. Should be easily accurate for game or silhouettes at over 100 yards. We can go to a max charge of 27 grains. These results are on a video that will soon post on Patreon on the testing. Best to ya, FC Steve
Steve, youtube is taking down all the videos that the taliban could use. taliban don't need FC perfect bullets. hehehehehe, hey what about the nra and the russians? thought the nra was on our side? keep doing what your doing, have fun.
naz dagg - The guess is that the NRA was working with the Russians to bring surplus Mosin Negant rifles and all the Russian ammo and primers back into importation. Plus, we'd be giving Russia first trade status so that Fords and Chevys would be built in the Ukraine for sale throughout Russia and Eastern Europe as well as shipped for sale in the US. After all, what good is collusion if you can't make a buck unless there was no collusion to begin with? Best to ya, FC Steve
MrEricdgreat - It was only a matter of time as this has been happening to other shooting channels. And it is only going to get worse, Trouble is that instead of just going around and only freely deleting all the "objectionable" videos, they will start taking whole channels down. We are having a hard time figuring out exactly why a video is "bad". I've already taken down numerous videos, but if I review that one brand of primers is best - would that be objectionable? Have a great day, FC Steve
Great stuff, FC. I seriously need to pick up an Encore. Such a flexible platform.
I am in the same boat. My most popular video ever was a casting and powdercoating video, and it got removed. That seems to be their favorite target right now. It's just a matter of time before they get to the rest of our reloading videos. Pretty sad. So much great info, that take a huge amount of time, effort and money, are getting deleted.
The problem as I see it, the barrels are all $350 or so,
If you go through www.hausofarms.com the pricing is pretty reasonable. Barrels typically running around $280, very versatile! I own both the Encore and the Contender G2.
@@paulharveu526 proper chamber work costs money and time.
Chasing lands is a mistake- One shot and fouling changes the dimension. Getting within 20-30 thou is fine. Those guns are never sensitive enough, nor are the distances long enough to matter.
I appreciate your enthusiasm!
Excellent video!
Thanks
I am also a ST:TOS fan from day one in 1966. Thanks for your shows.
Years ago I purchased a Harrington Richardson single shot in .357 Max, I’ve taken many deer with it. The longest shot was at around 125yrds. Great hunting round, I shoot 158 grain hollow points.
Just to add to the mix, there is a cartridge in between the 357 Magnum and Maximum :- 360 Dan Wesson. Brass length is c. 1.41” & is reputed to be less fussy than the Max as far as reloading goes. Brass is available from Starline.
Its what has drawn me to this cartridge family... all the versatility
357 maximum from a carbine is awesome. I have a H&R Handi Rifle that I rechambered. I use a LBT 180 grain bullet with lil gun powder. I have never tried AA1680 but I hear that is the top dog powder for this round in a carbine.
Good idea, I rechambered an Italian Rolling Block for 357 Max.
It's pretty heavy because it has an octagon barrel.
What I wanted to do was load the max with black powder just for fun.
Have shot some factory ammo and the bullet gets to the 100 yard line mighty quick.
Might try some 777 in the Rolling Block with some powder coated SWC bullets.
It's too bad that no factory made a carbine for it early in its life.
I suppose I could get a custom tc Contender carbine barrel.
Thanks for your comment.
357 Max is a fine round.
H1000 enforcer and true blue is good also
As usual, awsome video Steve!!. Never mind Y.T. playing as pseudo-Holy Inquisition with their Medieval-ish removal of great guns & reloading videos, since now we can enjoy those thru The Reloaders Network, thanks to the hard work of Loads of Bacon, ThorsAxe, yourself and several others who created/joined that source of ballistic info. Thank you kindly for your dedicated work and selflessness that benefit us shooters all around the Globe!; Best regards, and God Bless!!🙏
Mr. 45LC: I've looked up stats on the 357 max, its an impressive cartridge. A while ago I talked to you about buying a 475 Linebaugh. I saw Magnum Research is going to start making a 500 Linebaugh. I went to order one and in the used section at the store was a hardly used 500 smith. I got a great deal on it so that's what I got instead. Bought 1 box of factory ammo, wow its pricy. I'm heading to the basement to work up rounds to test tomorrow. It is extremely accurate. It kicks a little bit but I'm very satisfied with it. Thank you for your advice before. You are a valuable recourse to younger enthusiasts such as myself.
Both my brother and my uncle had 14" TC Contenders back when this round was introduced. They would plink with the .38 specials and hunt with the Maximums. I'm petty sure revolvers were made by S & W. I was told they suffered from bad throat erosion and cutting of the top strap at the cylinder gap caused by the super hot gasses. Thats why they were discontinued. I really think that a modern lever action rifle, like the Marlin 94 in .357, would handle the pressure of the Maximum. I just don't feel like taking a chance and trying it!!
I have a 357 Maximum in a Thomson Contender, 14 inch barrel. I have had great luck with the 35 rem 200gn Hornady bullet, with 14.1 gn of 4227. I shoot 1 inch grouping at 100 yards. The brass is expensive and hard to find. Great video.
I have a 357 Max barrel on a T/C Contender and it is a wrist kicker. I only have 20 pieces of brass though purchased about 1980. Thanks for the Starline tip.
Good afternoon. I just walked in the door after shooting my encore and here you are with a brand new vid .... good info as usual
You're old bugger. I love your site!. Love from Scandinavia.
If the "past FC" only knew that the "future FC" would be pushin those 180grainers up to 2100... 🤔 Awesome stuff 👍 thanks for sharing.
Sounds like a great item. I will have to check out Bulberry to see what they have for old model Contenders. Then again, i just might buy an Encore, since they are so versatile. Finances are better, but i'm still trying to get some things squared away. When the weather improves, maybe i can go out to the club and burn some powder. Great video as always, Steve. Keep fighting the good fight
As if I needed another reason to like you and your work, Dr. McCoy was always my favorite Star Trek TOS character.
Thanks for an informative video.
I'm a long time fan of Eezox.
Good stuff
I regret not buying a used Encore just like yours, the barrel was a 25-06, also had a 12g rifled barrel for an additional cost, but I bought a Reminder 700 lefty instead. I have been kicking my self ever since.
I have an Encore like that in 45-70. I also have a Ruger No3 that i had re-barrelled into .357 Max.
My .357 Max started life with cast bullets and had only ever been cleaned with Ed's Red.
I put 50 x 158gn jacketed bullets @ 2100fps through it over the weekend and had no copper fouling whatsoever ( i used a copper solvent to check) which surprised me. Ed does say that Ed's Red will condition the bore to prevent fouling. Maybe he's right.
The .357 Max is fast becoming a favourite cartridge.
Michael Streeter - As is mine to me...I've already done some testing with the 180 gr Hot Cores and impressive with smiles..!! That Bullberry barrel is a sweetie. Have a great day, FC Steve
I have been using the H&R handi rifle in 357 mag with 180 gr. 358 rifle bullets for a few years, very accurate at 100 + yards.
I have a 21" MGM Bull barrel dovetailed to a 12 ga. Shotgun forearm coming. Can't wait to get it.
thank you for sharing the vidio sir very enlighting always wanted one of the maximums just never found one on my price terms
Informative as always FC. YT sucks BTW for what they are doing to you and the rest of the firearm community! Happy New Year.
My Remington brass has wild variation in rim thickness. With only 0.006" max headspace recommended and 0.005" variation in brass setting headspace is leaves much to be desired. My Starline brass is much more consistent.
Ooo boy, .38 SC out of that .357 max chamber will have a lottttt of jump from case to lands! I'd be very surprised if accuracy did not suffer at all. 😮
Im not sure what the formula was, but have read somewhere with the 140 grain hornady leverolution bullet in 357 max, guys were getting above 2000 fps. Maybe 2400+ fps but am not sure. I will have to find the data again if I can. Reason I researched, was back when Indiana was allowing the wildcat 358 cal rifle calibers that met the specs to be legally considered pistol caliber rifles, many were getting custom rifles made to take advantage of how the rules read. One of those calibers was called the 358 Hoosier. I argued the point, why not just go with a 357 max and save some money. There were also some existing calibers, that if you trimmed the brass to the spec were also allowed, like the 35 rem. Oddly Indiana before was allowing centerfire rifles, were allowing these wildcats that were basically just as centerfire rifle as a 30-06 or similar, and calling them pistol calibers if they met the spec. When they opened up the rifle options to regular calibers, that pretty much fazed the wildcats out. Some of the wildcats were basically short magnums with a .358 bullet.
I never heard of the .357 Maximum round, and you answered all my questions. Thank you. Gevalia is good coffee, French press. Delish. Now we're even.
Buwahahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha 😆😂😂😁😂😆 haha 😂🤣
back in the early 90s i used the 357 max in tc contender in silhouette competition i was using 200gr cast gas check that was made for 35 rem cartridge loaded to around 1400 fps
If I get a .357 Magnum reamed to Maximum, could I expect all .358 rifle bullets to fit fine (aside from possibly .358 Win and .35 Whelen bullets possibly not going fast enough to expand properly; .35 Remington bullets might work fine)? If so, that would offer a lot of reloading options. I'm sorry to hear of your troubles with youtube, you put out high quality stuff!
Douglas Barrels is only 21 miles from me in Cross Lanes WV.
A Henry Single Shot in 357 Magnum would be a perfect candidate to get rechambered to 357 Maximum. Great for hunting and then you can have 357 Magnum and 38 Special for plinking.
I'm all for new loadings, cartridges and calibers when they accomplish something. That said.. Seem it would've been easier and cheaper, in the long run, to just go to .41mag or even .44 mag.. But, I am only a plinker :) Thanks Steve!
If you think there's nothing more to learn. Think one more time. Encore is a great gun. Have one in 708. Shoots like a rifle!. My little babe.
Did Ruger ever make anything for 357 Maximum? It seems to be one of those cartridges always hovering on the brink of Oblivion, but like
.327 Magnum it stays alive--as Ruger still makes revolvers for it.
Not to be pedantic, but folks around there call it "Her-Kin" Utah.
I have sourced Johnson Paste Wax. Maybe 200 cans, I thought they had discontinued a couple years ago but the store can get a couple hundred if anyone is interested.
KD0LRG Lots of folks are moving towards powder coating.
Love your videos fortune cookie. Very informative. Have you tried 360 dan wesson? Alot of lever action will run with minor customization. 360 loads on same dies as 357 max
Jim Breedlove - The 360 DW would work in guns that would not accomodate the 357 Maximum. I haven't tried it and shortening my Maximum brass wouldn't make much sense. If Starline ever makes the brass again, I probably would get some of that though... Happy Thanksgiving to ya..!! Steve
Nice shirt !
350 legend vs 357 maximum.
Hey Steve, UT really sucks, but what can you do but upload to other sites like TRN and others. I was watching this video and was wondering when you were going to discuss bullet jump and then you did :-) Great idea, I don't have a single shot rifle but will remember your trick. Will look for the demo of that barrel.
Your opening statement has no validity as I was there in 1975 and following. Remington Arms and RUGER developed the cartridge. Back dated documents suddenly appeared after the development of the cartridge. Information was leaked to Elgin in 1980- 1981 during development of cartridge. We developed a .223/ 357/in 1979. No manufacture of arms or ammunition ever produced the drawings that suddenly appeared after its release.
However, I and several others in contact from 1975 and advanced much of the .357 loading for Handgun silhouette. At no time did Elgin any information about and extended .357.
Appreciate your technical information about the loading of the .357 Maximum. I have watched other videos you have produced. The were very informative.
The case head stamp is .357 REM Max nothing else official. Some boutique cases were made
with another head stamp as anyone can do. The SAMMI cartridge is .357 Maximum.
Greed pure and simple.
I plan on having my Henry single shot rechambered for the maximum. Can you suggest the best book for reloading info please?
My brother bought the reamer and did his Handy Rifle from 357 Mag to Max. In my opinion, velocity gain (if any) wasn't worth it and accuracy suffered drastically when he used 357 Mag. Speer and Lyman manuals have data. Good luck.
@@4d4Spl thank you, I will consider these things.
@@4d4Spl I've seldom seen praise for the H&R Handi Rifles for accuracy. I wouldn't discourage the man from having his rifle's chamber reamed.
You can always put your videos on TRN. You might not make any money, but it sounds like RUclips is taking your money away here and at least your content will be welcomed and appreciated at TRN.
Will take 360 Dan Wesson too ;)?
I don't get the point of this cartridge. if you need more than .357 mag. or .41 mag, why not just jump up to a .44 mag.?
I know this is old, but here goes. The 357 Max will give you another 150 yards further than the 44 mag, while retaining more than enough knockdown power. Really no comparison in handguns or rifles, 357 max outperforms 44 mag, hands down.
nice!
Pure coffee out of a Tikkimug? No way!
That is almost identical to my .351 Winchester.
😁👍
Interesting cartridge. I am waiting for a film from the shooting range and a test of accuracy :):)
Michael Tab - Let's just say that 357 Maximum -- 24 grains of 1680 with that 180 gr Speer Hot Core is good for one hole 5 shot groups at 25 yards from rest at average MV (10 feet from muzzle) 1945 fps and average SD of 9. Should be easily accurate for game or silhouettes at over 100 yards. We can go to a max charge of 27 grains. These results are on a video that will soon post on Patreon on the testing. Best to ya, FC Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC Great, Thanks for the info
Sorry for Utube striking you vid. They're rotten.
I think the 357 maximum is just not efficient cartridge for what it is! I think the 300aae would be wiser choice besides its subsonic options!
Steve, youtube is taking down all the videos that the taliban could use. taliban don't need FC perfect bullets. hehehehehe, hey what about the nra and the russians? thought the nra was on our side? keep doing what your doing, have fun.
naz dagg - The guess is that the NRA was working with the Russians to bring surplus Mosin Negant rifles and all the Russian ammo and primers back into importation. Plus, we'd be giving Russia first trade status so that Fords and Chevys would be built in the Ukraine for sale throughout Russia and Eastern Europe as well as shipped for sale in the US. After all, what good is collusion if you can't make a buck unless there was no collusion to begin with? Best to ya, FC Steve
Sorry to hear all this BS going on with You tube 👍🏽
MrEricdgreat - It was only a matter of time as this has been happening to other shooting channels. And it is only going to get worse, Trouble is that instead of just going around and only freely deleting all the "objectionable" videos, they will start taking whole channels down. We are having a hard time figuring out exactly why a video is "bad". I've already taken down numerous videos, but if I review that one brand of primers is best - would that be objectionable? Have a great day, FC Steve
It is disgraceful what RUclips is doing.
Communist Progressives have no grace.
What did Commie regressives use before candles?
Electricity!
Please repost your videos on Ugetube dot com
Fuck RUclips. Censorship at its worst.