No. That dossier only confirms that the Thalmor see Ulfric as an asset and an uncooperative one at that. This means they see him to be manipulated where they can. Funding him through more than likely a proxy as well, someone Ulfriv trusts but does not know of this person's betrayal. Maybe the proxy is done through a chain of proxies, as spies have to be very careful. Ulfric ultimately feels guilt that the information tortured out of him is what he falsely believed what lost a "city?" to the Thalmor when they had already taken it. Ulfric also feels betrayed by The Empire as they are willing to bend the knee to an evil foreign power at the cost of freedom for it's citizens to worship an actual ascendant god in Talos as proven in Oblivion via the blood of an aedra quest. This is the Empire forfeiting any rightful sovereignty over it's citizens for a false peace. While Stormcloaks might not like or even hate elves, the ones that prove themselves are accepted by most Nords in general. Please consider what spies consider an asset, as an asset may be willing, unwilling and or unwittingly be of assistance. The fact the Thalmor think they consider Ulfric as an asset does exhibit any measure of control they have over him, only that they THINK they do as they are just that arrogant.
Sounds interesting to see. Ulfric has no heir and I believe he the youngest of the Jarl men. Although Ulfric wanted to fight the war till the last Nord standing. The emperor and Tulius know that the thalmor call the war "the first war" ulfric calls it the war. He's not expecting a round 2. Like mentioned in the video Ulfric is kill first question later and why leave Elisif alive hmmm what would happen to her after ulfric takes the crown of the high king?
@@Spuggky45 I love moding the shit out of bethesda games but that line of thinking is exactly why each new relase sucks even more next scrolls will have healing magic and ouchie magic skills instead of schools and weapons will probably be ranged and melee lmao
I can understand spears because the way Morrowind implemented them is pretty nonsensical. They’re two handed so no shields even though historically they’re supposed to be accompanied with them and they counted halberds/poleaxes in them despite those being closer to long axes No throwing weapons is wack
Just like Magneto, Dagoth Ur had a point.... Voryn at the battle of red mountain, he was justified and his loyalty to Nerevar wanting to keep Kagrenac's tools out of everyone's hands. He promised Nerevar that he would safe guard the heart. The Tribunal was the evil ones and dishonored themselves by betraying Nerevar.
@@ZakeandZachAnother reason is no Septim or Dragonborn warming their butt on the Empire's Throne. Then there is Alduin. If he'd done his job in the first place in the 1st era the next world may have been a paradise instead of the fluster cuck it is now.
Somehow, I doubt Ulfric's plan to seduce Elisif would involve making her hate his guts like that. If that was the case, why not just get the Dark Brotherhood to deal with him? Then, he could have reached out to Elisif as her 'shoulder to cry on', and she'd have no idea. He leaves Elisif alive because she's not exactly a fighter herself, and her only power came from the Empire manipulating her. As for Ulfric's plan to deal with the Thalmor, how about letting him finish one war, and rebuilding Skyrim, before starting the next one? And THANK YOU for acknowledging that Helgen gives players ABSOLUTELY NO INCENTIVE to join the Empire. Between that and the Dark Brotherhood questline, it's almost as if Bethesda WANTS players to go Stormcloak.
There is cut content that portrays the Stormcloaks as less morally good and Empire as a bit less morally bad at Helgen. Why it was cut is mind boggling as it added much needed nuance to both factions.
@@ssilent8202 They had help from Legion soldiers who were intentionally left behind, also the Thalmor were in a weakened state from the war with the Empire.
I know you write these videos as though you were Dagoth Ur, but you got quite a bit of things wrong this time around. Hammerfell won because they were fighting a Dominion weakened by a war against the Empire and had help from Legion troops who stayed behind even after the signing of the Concordat. Tulius tried to execute Ulfric with no trial as to quickly end the civil war, a war that was only weakening Skyrim and the Empire. There was cut dialog in the opening cut scene where Elenwen was chastizing Tulius for this too,and Hadvar mentions how he thought they were taking Ulfric and friito Cyrodiil, where the Thalmor could more easily orchestrate his escape. The Dominion want the civil war to drag on so that both sides become to weak to fight back when they decide to eventually invade, regardless of who wins the civil war. This is why Tullius is considered a genius, because he sees the bigger picture. He captured Ulfric within a few months of being posted to Skyrim, Hadvar also mentions how he turned things around for the Empire too. It took Alduin crashing the excecution and a literal Dragonborn for the Stormcloaks to win in their story, and while the Legion lean heavily on you too, with everything we know about Tullius we can safey assume that he would eventually capture Ulfric again. As for Legate Rikke saying "Talos guide you", Rikke is his second-in-command, his expert on the Nords and a competent officer, with Tullius having no love for the Dominion, why would he report such an obvious violation of the treaty and hand over such a valuable officer to the Thalmor? Dagoth Ur's knowledge of the Civil War has room for improvement, but his critiques on the actual gameplay of the Civil "War" is spot on. Yes hardware and engine limitations for consoles prevented a proper war, but if thats the case, why did they bother writing a Civil War quest to begin with? And since it has two possible endings, you just know they're going to say "It was a Dragon Break and the Empire and Stormcloaks both won the war" as a cop out.
People just ignore that Maven is a major power in the Stormcloak lands, and she is always at the Thalmore party. She will outright tell you that she is playing every side and is selling her influence to the Thalmore. Her pawns in the Riften court are a high elf and an elf simp.
He's not even truly an asset. The Civil War is the asset. The Thalmor don't want the Empire to win too soon and/or easily and they don't want Ulfric and the Stormcloaks to win at all since a Stormcloak Skyrim will worship Talos and not let the Thalmor remain in Skyrim.
what i always hated about the civil war was not just the strange story telling but also the fact they shoe horned the imperials to be the right option so hard its crazy i remember that note in the thalmor embassy saying something along the lines of if ulfric wins it would weaken the empire even more so the elfs can take back control ect ect which is honestly terrible for everyone in the grand of things because even if ulfric wasn't some idiot leader and had actual good character and leadership it would still be the wrong choice to side with the stormcloaks simply for the fact that note exists in the first place as you would in the long run be screwing over EVERYONE not just skyrim...and if i also remember general tullius is hoping to win this war and gather enough strength to fight back the thalmor once again...making the empire even more obvious to pick...if that note simply didn't exist i would side with the cloaks but i can't bring myself to be played like a fool.
There is a certain catch though. The enterity of the game is about how breaking with tradition leads to ruin, every faction and even the main quest has this message, but the civil war is the only one where you can pick the side. Beside this, you have to inform yourself about the markath incident, since it shows how weak the imperials really are and why the civil war started in the first place. Basically the empire couldn't claim the Reach back so they promised to allow Talos worship if Ulfric would come and save the day. He liberated the Reach as requested, but the elves found out and insticated the civil war by ordering the empire to fall Ulfric into the back, so the empire decided that it's a good idea to turn against the man who's troops just outclassed them instead of siding with him, you know, GATHERING FORCES. This is why most nords are now against the empire and it is why they see Ulfric as an asset, just like every figure in this civil war is an asset to them. And as I wrote before, every faction in the game had to face the consequences of breaking with tradition, sooner or later the empire will pay their toll as well.
The amount of people that don't understand that the Thalmor dossier states that not only is Ulfric is not working for them, his actions simply benefit them but that they TORTURED him is mindblowing.
The point is, his actions benefit the Thalmor and they fully support him. They are even protecting him and supplying his rebellion. They were at Helgen to prevent his execution. Ulfric is their bitch.
@@sheogorath1374 Some of that is cut content, but nobody was disagreeing. OP was just shocked that so many interpreted the Dossier as Ulfric knowingly helping the Thalmor and not the useful idiot he actually is.
@@bruhgod123 well, it is more of a theory than fact. It is presumably hinted towards it in Ulfric's dossier to when he got captured by the Thalmor, something of this nature happened in the interrogation between Ulfric and Elenwen.
The funniest thing about Ulfrich is that: if the emperor is in Solitude during the Dark Brotherhood questline, he refuses to attack because he's *afraid* that the empire will retaliate with their full force against them. Like, buh! You started a rebellion, what do you think will happen when the civil war is over? Cyrodill will not just sit there doing nothing after hearing the news that Tullius was killed! They will invade you!!
The empire is not going to do anything and Ulfric just wants liberty for Skyrim. The real enemy are the Thalmor and they are focusing on the empire. The elves won't even invade Skyrim until the empire is done, meanwhile Ulfric can prepare his own forces and if you know about TES history then you know they have really good chances.
@@lightborn9071 yeah, no. After Martin died and Titus Mede took over, a bunch of Tamriel provinces declared independence and he freaking reconquered them, and this was *after* the White Gold concordant, or whatever the treaty with Thalmor is called. The empire will 100% invade Skyrim if the Stormcloaks win the civil war.
9:33 Frankly, I had snowball fort fights as a kid that were more epic and enthralling than the Skyrim civil war. There is actually a reason for the empire to sign the Concord banning Talos worship. The Septims are descended from Talos, but the Medes are the new imperial line. It's a good way to downplay, and eventually erase, the divinity of the Septims in order to promote the Mede line. Especially in light of the inevitable claims that a Septim emperor would never have lost the war.
To Oblivion with exploring it as a theory… PAPA DAGOTH SHOULD CATCH THOSE TWO LOVE BIRDS IN THE ACT (we actually find out Ulfric’s secret lover is Nazeem)
Imo the empire pretty much lost the war by giving up and allowing the Dominion free reign to send troops into their territory and arrest empire citizens because of their religion. If irl for example the USA and Iran had a war and after neither side gained any ground the USA said "let's stop fighting and we'll agree to let you guys send troops inside of our territories and arrest any Christians" would anyone think that Iran didn't win in that conflict? Skyrim breaking off and declaring independence was the right decision, it just should have been the high king who decided to do it, not a governor/general who tried to usurp the throne and got captured. Remember had Alduin not intervened that the game would have ended as soon as it began with Ulfric's execution. And that's another thing if you're Tullius and you have the leader of the rebellion bound and lined up fir the executioner's block would you really choose to have 3 random people executed instead of having Ulfric be the first to the chopping block? So yeah the empire were a bunch of incompetents who would only win with the help of an oursider(and one that they had lined up for the chopping block at that). The rebellion would only win with the help of the dovakin and only existed in their current form due to fortuitous circumstance.
The fact he even gave them an execution, a quick death, and attempted to give them their last rights shows he has some honor at least. Tullius could have just ordered his men to kill Ulfric right when he surrendered. But not killing Ulfric at the block first was just dumb writing, you're absolutely right. These are the sort of points I would have liked to see actually brought up in the video
They actually did not have free reign to send troops to arrest people until Ulfric's rebellion allowed the Thalmor to claim the Empire violated the Concordat. The nords on the imperial side pointed out everyone still worshipped Talos just fine, just not openly. The reason there are Thalmor troops in Skyrim is because of Ulfric.
@@sheogorath1374 Go to Markath and talk to Jarl Igmund. The empire promised to allow Talos worship if Ulfric would send his militia to liberate the Reach. You can also talk to Cedran at the stables. The reason why there are Thalmor troops is because the empire fell Ulfric into the back instead of siding with him.
@@lightborn9071 It wasn't the Empire, but the previous jarl who promised that to Ulfric. He was desperate to reconquer his city and made a dumb deal with Ulfric, despite knowing it violates the terms of the Concordat. The Empire turned a blind eye to it, until the Thalmor noticed and then they used it as an excuse to add another stipulation to the Concordat, allowing them access in Skyrim in order to suppress Talos worshippers. So again, the reason there are Thalmor roaming around Skyrim is because of Ulfric and the previous jarl, Hrolfdir. But Hrolfdir is already dead by the time the game starts, which leaves Ulfric.
@@sheogorath1374 Ulfric merely answered a call, the entire rest was done by the imperials. If they would have sided with him they would stay true to their word about gathering forces and keep in mind that Torygg already was included in this decision.
AMEN!!! People refuse to even acknowledge the possibility of an independent Skyrim fending off the thalmor. And the whole “humanity needs to be United under the empire” notion is also stupid like you explained Dagoth.
Because it's a stupid notion. Hammerfell only won because the Dominion was weakened from fighting the Empire, and Hammerfell still had Legion forces who stayed behind after the treaty was signed to help them. Hammerfell wasn't being weakened before hand by a Civil War either. No matter who wins the Civil War, they'll be too weak from it to defend Skyrim from a Dominion attack. The Stormcloaks will be the worse off of the two however as they have a smaller army, smaller recruit ment pool, lack of standardized training and equipment and less territory to recruit from. The xenophobic nature of the Stormcloaks also will also limit who will fight for him, sure Galmar may not care about your race, but many Nords do, including Ulfric as shown with the Dark Elves and Argonians. Plus many of their fighting men and woman will be wounded from the fight with the Empire. There's also the Nord's distrust of magic, and we see no Stormcloaks Battlemages, just mentions of healers, so they don't benefit from the tactical opportunities granted by having them. Stormcloaks also lack a navy of any kind and would have to build one from the ground up, nor do they have an effective spy network, as they are forced to use people like the player for espionage. Ulfric was also outsmarted and nearly executed by Tullius, saved only because Aldiun showed up, and was already struggling against the Empire after Tullius took over the war effort according to Hadvar. It takes a Dragon Crisis to slow the Legion down enough for Ulfric to be a treat to Tullius, and he needs the Dragonborn to actually win, where Tullius would likely just outmaneuver Ulfric again in the future even without the player, he's already done it once and only failed because of Aldiun. So yeah, they kinda do need to be united so that they can utilize the numbers, training, tactics, equipment and logistics of the more powerful and better organized Empire if they want to stand a chance against the far larger, better equipped and better prepared Dominion. Meanwhile if the Empire loses the Civil War, despite the huge blow of losing Skyrim and it's assets, the Empire will still control two mostly intact provinces where the Stormcloaks have a war ravaged one with a Dragon problem.
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 I ain’t reading allat 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 ain’t no way you are this passionate for the dead Empire. All I read was “dominion was weakened” and that’s all I read before I saw how long that shit was 💀💀💀 btw the “dominion was weakened” argument is literally all Empire-absolutists go-to argument it’s honestly gets annoyingly repetitive. Also appalling how little thought truely goes into the argument. Brother look at a map, Imp City is a hop-skip-and-a-jump away from Valenwood. What did you expect 🗿🗿🗿
@@ssilent8202 In other words, I actually back up my arguments and you can't swallow your ego and admit you're wrong. You haven't tried to explain your own point all and refuse to even hear out counter arguments. I'm done since you clearly have no interest in actual discussion, just pissing people off with your shit spelling and grammar. Keep huffing your copium and liking your own comments to inflate the like count.
@@ssilent8202 "I'm not reading that" is not a valid counter argument. I was willing to discuss this but you'd rather be a dick with the emojis than actually talk about it. based on your other comments I can tell you think you act like you know more than you really do and don't take the time to actually fact check and research this sort of stuff before commenting as though you are correct. I was genuinely wanting to see why you think Skyrim could win on it's own and curious as to why you thought that way, you may have been able to convince me, but forget about it, we're done here. You have no interest in discussion, you're just trying to piss people off.
So what I'm getting at is this: Find a mod that either involves spreading the word of Dagoth Ur, or subjugating all of Skyrim in the name of Dagoth Ur. Whichever honors the Sixth House and the Tribe unmourned...
I admit, I am curious about this whole "Jarl of Solitude and Ulfric secret tryst" theory. But another elf catches my attention for gossip and rumor. The Altmer Abassador. Cant think of her name, my memory is just bad. Sorry. Anyway, Ulfric freaks out when he sees her at the peace talks....which many people suspect something happened between them. Theres even a somg dedicated to them, known as Careless Thuum.
Yeah you're reading too much into that interaction. He hates her because she's Thalmor and the incarnation of everything he fights against. Elenwen was tasked with interrogating Ulfric when he was captured during the Great War. They were never romantically involved, thank god.
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 Elenwen, that was her name! Thank you High Lord. Okay, maybe I am seeing something that does not exist between the elf and Ulfric. Still, I was thinking that maybe to break Ulfric further, Elenwen used herself as a "honey trap", using herself to get close to Ulfric and break his mind further for the Thalmors plans. But I am grateful that they were not in a romantic relationship, the thought hurts my brain. I thank you for the correction, please have a pleasant day.
1:24 here at least we can say that tulius here didnt trusted the thalmor who wanted ulfric imprisomed for trail even tought that damm nord nwha espaced few times
Wonderful sermon as always, Sir Dagoth! As fun as ripping into Skyrim is, I believe sermons on the positives of Skyrim, and perhaps Oblivion would be nice pace changes. Either way, you will never cease to amuse!
Hammerfell only won because the Imperials sent "retired" legionaries to fight in the biggest battles. Tullius is just one of many generals in the Empire, and he himself mentions that other legions will be showing up to Skyrim soon.
6:18 and can we talk how at begin of the grate war the high elves were thinking that it they do a mini oblivion crisis that the derdas will help them destroying the morgle dogs of empire.....but that bigest idocy sooner the dedras would be like "thanks for sacrefices but....now you will die too!!!"
if this is a voice model that uses your own voices as the base instead of the one using the actual in-game voice acting, i can't tell the difference, it came out really well!
Just like Pelinal! He's too manly and slaughtered a whole elven race without any proper justification and then he even dares to come back as the hero of Kvatch and use Talos' blessing to finish his terrible acts.
Ah, glorious. Lod Dagoth of the sixth house and the tribe unmourned bestows us with another sermon. I will raise my thumb to his eloquence and immerse myself in his wisdom.
Now i really curious why Boethiah want to finish elisif??and did really ulfric and elisif have feeling for eachother?? Please make another story about this sir 🙏
Elisif and Ulfric Affair CONFIRMED?!
I love to have the Ulfic and Elisif affair theory looked into
No. That dossier only confirms that the Thalmor see Ulfric as an asset and an uncooperative one at that. This means they see him to be manipulated where they can. Funding him through more than likely a proxy as well, someone Ulfriv trusts but does not know of this person's betrayal. Maybe the proxy is done through a chain of proxies, as spies have to be very careful.
Ulfric ultimately feels guilt that the information tortured out of him is what he falsely believed what lost a "city?" to the Thalmor when they had already taken it. Ulfric also feels betrayed by The Empire as they are willing to bend the knee to an evil foreign power at the cost of freedom for it's citizens to worship an actual ascendant god in Talos as proven in Oblivion via the blood of an aedra quest. This is the Empire forfeiting any rightful sovereignty over it's citizens for a false peace.
While Stormcloaks might not like or even hate elves, the ones that prove themselves are accepted by most Nords in general.
Please consider what spies consider an asset, as an asset may be willing, unwilling and or unwittingly be of assistance. The fact the Thalmor think they consider Ulfric as an asset does exhibit any measure of control they have over him, only that they THINK they do as they are just that arrogant.
Sounds interesting to see. Ulfric has no heir and I believe he the youngest of the Jarl men. Although Ulfric wanted to fight the war till the last Nord standing. The emperor and Tulius know that the thalmor call the war "the first war" ulfric calls it the war. He's not expecting a round 2. Like mentioned in the video Ulfric is kill first question later and why leave Elisif alive hmmm what would happen to her after ulfric takes the crown of the high king?
I made a comment and it was deleted. Can I yeet the RUclips censor bots from existence?
Dagoth theory time
They made a game with a focus on a roman vs viking and made the intentional choice to omit throwing axes, javelins and spears.
Its more likely they lacked the skill to do it even close to decent and scrapped it
FNV and Morrowind both had throwing weapons, the engine can support it. This was a conscious decision to not include them.
*laughs and logs onto Nexus*
@@Spuggky45 I love moding the shit out of bethesda games but that line of thinking is exactly why each new relase sucks even more next scrolls will have healing magic and ouchie magic skills instead of schools and weapons will probably be ranged and melee lmao
I can understand spears because the way Morrowind implemented them is pretty nonsensical. They’re two handed so no shields even though historically they’re supposed to be accompanied with them and they counted halberds/poleaxes in them despite those being closer to long axes
No throwing weapons is wack
Just like Magneto, Dagoth Ur had a point....
Voryn at the battle of red mountain, he was justified and his loyalty to Nerevar wanting to keep Kagrenac's tools out of everyone's hands. He promised Nerevar that he would safe guard the heart. The Tribunal was the evil ones and dishonored themselves by betraying Nerevar.
The Tribunal is the reason why we are in this predicament in the first place
@@ZakeandZachAnother reason is no Septim or Dragonborn warming their butt on the Empire's Throne. Then there is Alduin. If he'd done his job in the first place in the 1st era the next world may have been a paradise instead of the fluster cuck it is now.
I hear plotholes that make no sense and I automatically think of Emil Tortellini. Or however you write his last name
Gothic 3 from 2006 had way biger battles for Villages!!! Not towns - Villages!!!!!
Yes, I remember
I can confirm. currently playing gothic 3. stupid Shitmer are annoying to fight
@@axellion4573 everything is annoying to fight in gothic 3
@@darius9329 unless you use magic, thats broken af xd
Seriously. The "ultimate" battle for either capital is a mere skirmish with a dozen soldiers. Even the battle for Whiterun has about 50 on each side!
Pemil Agliarulo and Bubberdict Clumberbottom are two of most meme-able names out there.
Lol
Accidentally called a black friend I was mad at a "farmtool n'wah."
There were consequences and I blame you, Dagoth.
Somehow, I doubt Ulfric's plan to seduce Elisif would involve making her hate his guts like that. If that was the case, why not just get the Dark Brotherhood to deal with him? Then, he could have reached out to Elisif as her 'shoulder to cry on', and she'd have no idea. He leaves Elisif alive because she's not exactly a fighter herself, and her only power came from the Empire manipulating her.
As for Ulfric's plan to deal with the Thalmor, how about letting him finish one war, and rebuilding Skyrim, before starting the next one? And THANK YOU for acknowledging that Helgen gives players ABSOLUTELY NO INCENTIVE to join the Empire. Between that and the Dark Brotherhood questline, it's almost as if Bethesda WANTS players to go Stormcloak.
There is cut content that portrays the Stormcloaks as less morally good and Empire as a bit less morally bad at Helgen. Why it was cut is mind boggling as it added much needed nuance to both factions.
>Redguards
>single handedly won against the Thalmor
lmao good one Dagoth
But they did.
@@ssilent8202 They had help from Legion soldiers who were intentionally left behind, also the Thalmor were in a weakened state from the war with the Empire.
@@JamestheFreak24me when I make shit up
It wasn't just them. It was those curved swords. Curved. Swords.
@@MetalMailman35 You should probably read up the lore before you make yourself look like an idiot even further.
First Elenwen now Elisif jeez Ulfric really wants a harem huh?
I know you write these videos as though you were Dagoth Ur, but you got quite a bit of things wrong this time around. Hammerfell won because they were fighting a Dominion weakened by a war against the Empire and had help from Legion troops who stayed behind even after the signing of the Concordat. Tulius tried to execute Ulfric with no trial as to quickly end the civil war, a war that was only weakening Skyrim and the Empire. There was cut dialog in the opening cut scene where Elenwen was chastizing Tulius for this too,and Hadvar mentions how he thought they were taking Ulfric and friito Cyrodiil, where the Thalmor could more easily orchestrate his escape. The Dominion want the civil war to drag on so that both sides become to weak to fight back when they decide to eventually invade, regardless of who wins the civil war. This is why Tullius is considered a genius, because he sees the bigger picture. He captured Ulfric within a few months of being posted to Skyrim, Hadvar also mentions how he turned things around for the Empire too. It took Alduin crashing the excecution and a literal Dragonborn for the Stormcloaks to win in their story, and while the Legion lean heavily on you too, with everything we know about Tullius we can safey assume that he would eventually capture Ulfric again. As for Legate Rikke saying "Talos guide you", Rikke is his second-in-command, his expert on the Nords and a competent officer, with Tullius having no love for the Dominion, why would he report such an obvious violation of the treaty and hand over such a valuable officer to the Thalmor? Dagoth Ur's knowledge of the Civil War has room for improvement, but his critiques on the actual gameplay of the Civil "War" is spot on. Yes hardware and engine limitations for consoles prevented a proper war, but if thats the case, why did they bother writing a Civil War quest to begin with? And since it has two possible endings, you just know they're going to say "It was a Dragon Break and the Empire and Stormcloaks both won the war" as a cop out.
I am more leaning to support stormcloak because of the Falkreath's jarl under Ulfric banner saying "...at least he is the devil i know".
Bring the Ulfric Elisif Story. Thunder and Keegan demand it!
You mean sunder and keening? What a grand and intoxicating innocence
@@FabreezeFresh1337dude played the game 20 years ago, never touched it since oblivion came out
Ulfric would never be a thalmor asset. This is Emily Parmesan’s fault.
People just ignore that Maven is a major power in the Stormcloak lands, and she is always at the Thalmore party. She will outright tell you that she is playing every side and is selling her influence to the Thalmore. Her pawns in the Riften court are a high elf and an elf simp.
@@williamings773feels like you replied to a completely different question 😂
Well yeah, that's why it says he was allowed to escape. He doesn't realize he's an asset
@@williamings773They never even mentioned Maven at all in their comment, they're talking about Ulfric and his Thalmor Asset status.
He's not even truly an asset. The Civil War is the asset. The Thalmor don't want the Empire to win too soon and/or easily and they don't want Ulfric and the Stormcloaks to win at all since a Stormcloak Skyrim will worship Talos and not let the Thalmor remain in Skyrim.
what i always hated about the civil war was not just the strange story telling but also the fact they shoe horned the imperials to be the right option so hard its crazy i remember that note in the thalmor embassy saying something along the lines of if ulfric wins it would weaken the empire even more so the elfs can take back control ect ect which is honestly terrible for everyone in the grand of things because even if ulfric wasn't some idiot leader and had actual good character and leadership it would still be the wrong choice to side with the stormcloaks simply for the fact that note exists in the first place as you would in the long run be screwing over EVERYONE not just skyrim...and if i also remember general tullius is hoping to win this war and gather enough strength to fight back the thalmor once again...making the empire even more obvious to pick...if that note simply didn't exist i would side with the cloaks but i can't bring myself to be played like a fool.
There is a certain catch though. The enterity of the game is about how breaking with tradition leads to ruin, every faction and even the main quest has this message, but the civil war is the only one where you can pick the side. Beside this, you have to inform yourself about the markath incident, since it shows how weak the imperials really are and why the civil war started in the first place.
Basically the empire couldn't claim the Reach back so they promised to allow Talos worship if Ulfric would come and save the day. He liberated the Reach as requested, but the elves found out and insticated the civil war by ordering the empire to fall Ulfric into the back, so the empire decided that it's a good idea to turn against the man who's troops just outclassed them instead of siding with him, you know, GATHERING FORCES.
This is why most nords are now against the empire and it is why they see Ulfric as an asset, just like every figure in this civil war is an asset to them.
And as I wrote before, every faction in the game had to face the consequences of breaking with tradition, sooner or later the empire will pay their toll as well.
Paganini is at it again. SMH.
Yeah, Marshmallow Pagliacci certainly screwed the nyx hound with this one! ='[.]'=
Now we need the Elisif Ulfrik theory video!
The giant dressed as a storm cloak is sweet. There would have been at least one giant group "smart" enough to take sides.
The amount of people that don't understand that the Thalmor dossier states that not only is Ulfric is not working for them, his actions simply benefit them but that they TORTURED him is mindblowing.
Right? He's listed as an uncooperative asset not an agent.
The point is, his actions benefit the Thalmor and they fully support him. They are even protecting him and supplying his rebellion. They were at Helgen to prevent his execution. Ulfric is their bitch.
@@sheogorath1374 That's what they're saying
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 That's what you can see them doing in the game.
@@sheogorath1374 Some of that is cut content, but nobody was disagreeing. OP was just shocked that so many interpreted the Dossier as Ulfric knowingly helping the Thalmor and not the useful idiot he actually is.
One must not forget, that Ulfric and Elenwen performed adultery with each other.
Is that cannon?
@@bruhgod123 well, it is more of a theory than fact. It is presumably hinted towards it in Ulfric's dossier to when he got captured by the Thalmor, something of this nature happened in the interrogation between Ulfric and Elenwen.
Emil Parmagiano 😂 I think that's an Italian chicken dish
The civil war is boring, I only do it to get rid of Ulfric, Skald, and Korir.
The funniest thing about Ulfrich is that: if the emperor is in Solitude during the Dark Brotherhood questline, he refuses to attack because he's *afraid* that the empire will retaliate with their full force against them.
Like, buh! You started a rebellion, what do you think will happen when the civil war is over? Cyrodill will not just sit there doing nothing after hearing the news that Tullius was killed! They will invade you!!
The empire is not going to do anything and Ulfric just wants liberty for Skyrim. The real enemy are the Thalmor and they are focusing on the empire. The elves won't even invade Skyrim until the empire is done, meanwhile Ulfric can prepare his own forces and if you know about TES history then you know they have really good chances.
@@lightborn9071 yeah, no.
After Martin died and Titus Mede took over, a bunch of Tamriel provinces declared independence and he freaking reconquered them, and this was *after* the White Gold concordant, or whatever the treaty with Thalmor is called.
The empire will 100% invade Skyrim if the Stormcloaks win the civil war.
You know Hadvar and Ralof had to do it to em
Both of them are boring friends
best takedown of that snoozefest yet
9:33 Frankly, I had snowball fort fights as a kid that were more epic and enthralling than the Skyrim civil war.
There is actually a reason for the empire to sign the Concord banning Talos worship. The Septims are descended from Talos, but the Medes are the new imperial line. It's a good way to downplay, and eventually erase, the divinity of the Septims in order to promote the Mede line. Especially in light of the inevitable claims that a Septim emperor would never have lost the war.
To Oblivion with exploring it as a theory… PAPA DAGOTH SHOULD CATCH THOSE TWO LOVE BIRDS IN THE ACT (we actually find out Ulfric’s secret lover is Nazeem)
Pagarillo, Portobello, Provolone, Pavarotti, Paprika-only
Imo the empire pretty much lost the war by giving up and allowing the Dominion free reign to send troops into their territory and arrest empire citizens because of their religion.
If irl for example the USA and Iran had a war and after neither side gained any ground the USA said "let's stop fighting and we'll agree to let you guys send troops inside of our territories and arrest any Christians" would anyone think that Iran didn't win in that conflict?
Skyrim breaking off and declaring independence was the right decision, it just should have been the high king who decided to do it, not a governor/general who tried to usurp the throne and got captured.
Remember had Alduin not intervened that the game would have ended as soon as it began with Ulfric's execution. And that's another thing if you're Tullius and you have the leader of the rebellion bound and lined up fir the executioner's block would you really choose to have 3 random people executed instead of having Ulfric be the first to the chopping block?
So yeah the empire were a bunch of incompetents who would only win with the help of an oursider(and one that they had lined up for the chopping block at that).
The rebellion would only win with the help of the dovakin and only existed in their current form due to fortuitous circumstance.
The fact he even gave them an execution, a quick death, and attempted to give them their last rights shows he has some honor at least. Tullius could have just ordered his men to kill Ulfric right when he surrendered. But not killing Ulfric at the block first was just dumb writing, you're absolutely right. These are the sort of points I would have liked to see actually brought up in the video
They actually did not have free reign to send troops to arrest people until Ulfric's rebellion allowed the Thalmor to claim the Empire violated the Concordat. The nords on the imperial side pointed out everyone still worshipped Talos just fine, just not openly. The reason there are Thalmor troops in Skyrim is because of Ulfric.
@@sheogorath1374 Go to Markath and talk to Jarl Igmund. The empire promised to allow Talos worship if Ulfric would send his militia to liberate the Reach. You can also talk to Cedran at the stables.
The reason why there are Thalmor troops is because the empire fell Ulfric into the back instead of siding with him.
@@lightborn9071 It wasn't the Empire, but the previous jarl who promised that to Ulfric. He was desperate to reconquer his city and made a dumb deal with Ulfric, despite knowing it violates the terms of the Concordat.
The Empire turned a blind eye to it, until the Thalmor noticed and then they used it as an excuse to add another stipulation to the Concordat, allowing them access in Skyrim in order to suppress Talos worshippers.
So again, the reason there are Thalmor roaming around Skyrim is because of Ulfric and the previous jarl, Hrolfdir. But Hrolfdir is already dead by the time the game starts, which leaves Ulfric.
@@sheogorath1374 Ulfric merely answered a call, the entire rest was done by the imperials. If they would have sided with him they would stay true to their word about gathering forces and keep in mind that Torygg already was included in this decision.
AMEN!!! People refuse to even acknowledge the possibility of an independent Skyrim fending off the thalmor. And the whole “humanity needs to be United under the empire” notion is also stupid like you explained Dagoth.
Because it's a stupid notion. Hammerfell only won because the Dominion was weakened from fighting the Empire, and Hammerfell still had Legion forces who stayed behind after the treaty was signed to help them. Hammerfell wasn't being weakened before hand by a Civil War either. No matter who wins the Civil War, they'll be too weak from it to defend Skyrim from a Dominion attack. The Stormcloaks will be the worse off of the two however as they have a smaller army, smaller recruit ment pool, lack of standardized training and equipment and less territory to recruit from. The xenophobic nature of the Stormcloaks also will also limit who will fight for him, sure Galmar may not care about your race, but many Nords do, including Ulfric as shown with the Dark Elves and Argonians. Plus many of their fighting men and woman will be wounded from the fight with the Empire. There's also the Nord's distrust of magic, and we see no Stormcloaks Battlemages, just mentions of healers, so they don't benefit from the tactical opportunities granted by having them. Stormcloaks also lack a navy of any kind and would have to build one from the ground up, nor do they have an effective spy network, as they are forced to use people like the player for espionage. Ulfric was also outsmarted and nearly executed by Tullius, saved only because Aldiun showed up, and was already struggling against the Empire after Tullius took over the war effort according to Hadvar. It takes a Dragon Crisis to slow the Legion down enough for Ulfric to be a treat to Tullius, and he needs the Dragonborn to actually win, where Tullius would likely just outmaneuver Ulfric again in the future even without the player, he's already done it once and only failed because of Aldiun. So yeah, they kinda do need to be united so that they can utilize the numbers, training, tactics, equipment and logistics of the more powerful and better organized Empire if they want to stand a chance against the far larger, better equipped and better prepared Dominion. Meanwhile if the Empire loses the Civil War, despite the huge blow of losing Skyrim and it's assets, the Empire will still control two mostly intact provinces where the Stormcloaks have a war ravaged one with a Dragon problem.
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 I ain’t reading allat 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 ain’t no way you are this passionate for the dead Empire. All I read was “dominion was weakened” and that’s all I read before I saw how long that shit was 💀💀💀 btw the “dominion was weakened” argument is literally all Empire-absolutists go-to argument it’s honestly gets annoyingly repetitive. Also appalling how little thought truely goes into the argument. Brother look at a map, Imp City is a hop-skip-and-a-jump away from Valenwood. What did you expect 🗿🗿🗿
@@ssilent8202 In other words, I actually back up my arguments and you can't swallow your ego and admit you're wrong. You haven't tried to explain your own point all and refuse to even hear out counter arguments. I'm done since you clearly have no interest in actual discussion, just pissing people off with your shit spelling and grammar. Keep huffing your copium and liking your own comments to inflate the like count.
@@ssilent8202 "I'm not reading that" is not a valid counter argument. I was willing to discuss this but you'd rather be a dick with the emojis than actually talk about it. based on your other comments I can tell you think you act like you know more than you really do and don't take the time to actually fact check and research this sort of stuff before commenting as though you are correct. I was genuinely wanting to see why you think Skyrim could win on it's own and curious as to why you thought that way, you may have been able to convince me, but forget about it, we're done here. You have no interest in discussion, you're just trying to piss people off.
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 🤡
So what I'm getting at is this:
Find a mod that either involves spreading the word of Dagoth Ur, or subjugating all of Skyrim in the name of Dagoth Ur. Whichever honors the Sixth House and the Tribe unmourned...
I admit, I am curious about this whole "Jarl of Solitude and Ulfric secret tryst" theory. But another elf catches my attention for gossip and rumor.
The Altmer Abassador. Cant think of her name, my memory is just bad. Sorry.
Anyway, Ulfric freaks out when he sees her at the peace talks....which many people suspect something happened between them. Theres even a somg dedicated to them, known as Careless Thuum.
She t0rtured him dude
Yeah you're reading too much into that interaction. He hates her because she's Thalmor and the incarnation of everything he fights against. Elenwen was tasked with interrogating Ulfric when he was captured during the Great War. They were never romantically involved, thank god.
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 Elenwen, that was her name! Thank you High Lord.
Okay, maybe I am seeing something that does not exist between the elf and Ulfric. Still, I was thinking that maybe to break Ulfric further, Elenwen used herself as a "honey trap", using herself to get close to Ulfric and break his mind further for the Thalmors plans.
But I am grateful that they were not in a romantic relationship, the thought hurts my brain.
I thank you for the correction, please have a pleasant day.
@@AntiKira20 Np, but now we must prepare to fight the inevitable fan art of such a thing :)
1:24 here at least we can say that tulius here didnt trusted the thalmor who wanted ulfric imprisomed for trail even tought that damm nord nwha espaced few times
Uhh what?
You can choose between Thalmor puppets or Thalmor puppets what a good selection of factions during the questline.
both sides are idiots they should be banding together to drive out the ultmanary dominion out of skyrim
The f*ck is "ultmanary"????
You mean "Aldmeri"....????
@@ao1778i have never read how its supposed to be spelt so i just guessed
Oh we can surely go with some shipping of the Nord Bimbo and Himbo...
@0:37 I saw that. Are you preparing to go even further beyond?
I love it when he calls me nerevar ❤️
I hate tullis but I hate ulfric more, he's definitely the lesser of 2 evils (:
Dagoth theory time
unfortunately both sides of n'wah cannot lose
this was well research piece thank you zake and Zach
I wish to know more about the theory.
Todd' needs a better class of farmtool for TES6.
Friggin "essential" enemy commanders.
Stormcloak? More like a rain poncho...
I want to see the Ulfric/Elisif theory
Ulfric the Altmer Toy xd afterall this years i just cant join his little shitshow, it's like Gothic 3, i could never join the Orcs.
Sideways Dagoth Ur in the background like “What are you N’wahs doing now?”
Wonderful sermon as always, Sir Dagoth! As fun as ripping into Skyrim is, I believe sermons on the positives of Skyrim, and perhaps Oblivion would be nice pace changes. Either way, you will never cease to amuse!
I submit my words to this parchment for submission to Dagoth Ur, like you asked me to.
Glory to the Sixth House
Hammerfell only won because the Imperials sent "retired" legionaries to fight in the biggest battles. Tullius is just one of many generals in the Empire, and he himself mentions that other legions will be showing up to Skyrim soon.
We all knew Ulfric was an idiot
6:18 and can we talk how at begin of the grate war the high elves were thinking that it they do a mini oblivion crisis that the derdas will help them destroying the morgle dogs of empire.....but that bigest idocy sooner the dedras would be like "thanks for sacrefices but....now you will die too!!!"
if this is a voice model that uses your own voices as the base instead of the one using the actual in-game voice acting, i can't tell the difference, it came out really well!
This sermon definitely honours the 6th House and the Tribe Unmourned. Not that there was any chance that it wouldn't.
I very much want to hear more about the possible Ulfric/Elisif romance theory!
Balgruuf for high king.
Dagoth, theory time!
Dagoth Theory Time.
These plot holes do not honor the sixth house and the tribe unmourned. Thank you Dagoth for this week’s sermon.
Dagoth theory time!!!
The Ulfric/Elseth theory would honor the 6th house and tribe unmourned
6:56 toolius 😂 is this how you honor the sixth house and the tribe unmourned? because i like it
Dagoth theory time!
Dagoth Theory Time sounds like a wonderful time. 😁
Dagoth theory time
Dagoth theory time
Dagoth theory time
It also seemed to me that elisif gave in too easy
Extremely suspicious.
This sermon honours the Sixth House and the Tribe Unmourned.
Lord dagoth Ur can you make a tier list about the skill trees in Skyrim so we can know what honours the sixth house unmourned and what don't
We have already
Finally, something Voryn and I can agree on.
Praise be to the Sixth house and the tribe unmourned
Elsif & Ulfric romance when?
“Black marsh farm tools”😂
I have issues with Talos, his use of the numideon was unjust and Ysgramor slaughtered the wrong race of mer.
Just like Pelinal! He's too manly and slaughtered a whole elven race without any proper justification and then he even dares to come back as the hero of Kvatch and use Talos' blessing to finish his terrible acts.
You hate talos for his war crimes I hate him because he was probably a Breton we are not the same
Dagoth Ur, theory time!
Never patch a tire, always replace.
We need that as the next sermon.
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Ah, glorious. Lod Dagoth of the sixth house and the tribe unmourned bestows us with another sermon.
I will raise my thumb to his eloquence and immerse myself in his wisdom.
Lod Dagoth
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 lmao, I didn't notice that spelling mistake. The almighty Lod Dagoth of the sixth shack and the tribe mourned.
@@jojotheswede8444 Lod Dagoth, Dagoth Ur's cousin he doesn't talk about
Theory time Dagoth
Now i really curious why Boethiah want to finish elisif??and did really ulfric and elisif have feeling for eachother??
Please make another story about this sir 🙏
Someone tell me what nerevar(?) and N'wah(?) means
Nerevarine is our reborn saviour and nwah is a dunmeri word meaning slave and unwanted person
Skybaby
Nerevar is a first era hero and N'wah is a slur used by Dark Elves.
Nerevar is the viewer/hero of Morrowind.
N'wah is anyone is both not a Dunmer and from Morrowind. It's also a slur.
@@KarmasAB123 thanks
I'm glad there's people starting to remake Skyrim completely now, make a whole nother game with the same engine actually or something else