Great video. Was hoping you'd be able to explain the reasons why screw gate carabiners are used in rope access as supposed to the 3-way auto-locking carabiners we use for rope access work in arboriculture?
Tom Rose I use screw gate on Y anchors - as during rigging, you are adding ropes to them several times - leaving them unlocked until you have finished rigging. Also the Y anchors are usually won't have anything rubbing against the gates - as opposed to Carabiners on your harness, etc. Personally I like the Petzl screwgate with the visible red ring to show it is unlocked. All Carabiners on my harness (cows tails, lanyards, ID, etc) are Tri lock.
sorry an question the rope of progress (cow-tail) is rope dinámic o static?please congratulations for vídeo of instruccions and sorry forma mi inglish I am of country Ecuador
Hey guys, might be a silly question..just wondering what kind of gloves your guy is wearing here?...he seems to hold on to a world of dexterity even with them on
hi sir can i placed used one dyanmic rope with Duck R as a back up into the chest Ring instead on my D ring ..normaly 3 cows tail .now 2 cows tail the other cow tail i placed permanent into my chest ring .
Interesting video, but I would have used a figure-8 follow through knot in place of your over hand knots. If you happen to take a fall and put sudden weight on those over hand knots they can tighten and become very difficult to untie. I come from a rock climbing back ground and have take 20-30 foot falls on a figure-8 knot. I have never had a problem untying figure-8's but had had over hand knots become so tight I could not untie them.
You have to understand these guys come from a very different place compared to rock/sport climbers. They have more in common with tree/cave climbing, and still are quite far from those too. For one, safety/comfort trumps weight. Extra super redundant equipment is standard for them. Just look at their videos, all systems have single rope technique combined with a second, indipendent rope, with a backup fall arrester. In rock climbing you can have double/twin ropes but that's a different technique. Here everything is backuped once or twice during transitions. Including the "single" rope. The cow tails rope is 4m of dynamic rope. In rock climbing a jammed knot and the need to cut a rope is a something major, here we're talking 4m of replaceable equipment. Anyway, they simply don't take 20-30 ft falls. The arrester on the backup rope would engage after 1-2 ft. Unless an operator screws up in a major way, the only possible scenario for a 30 ft fall is when the beam they're attached to falls from the ceiling, and that's in case of a major earthquake. This also means they have bigger problems in that scenario than a jammed overhand knot. Safety in their case also mean having a viable, solid, quick rescue plan at any time. They always rig with rescue in mind. In other type of climbing (and that's why this is called "access") weight is often a concern, for sure in rock/canyon/cave climbing. You can't rig everything doubled with already integrated progress capturing / lowering devices, that would require an absurd amount of equipment to carry with you. Safety also implies standard equipment, standard procedures. Like having extra equipment always ready for fast and safe deployment. That's why they have a dedicate, standard, chest ascender available at all times, a standard hand ascender with foot loop, standard descenders devices, ready. They don't mess with prusik loops, autoblocks, klemheists, VTs as ascenders or third hands. When working for a company, company policies dictate equipment and procedures. There's not such a thing as "I like my ATC guide, or my GRI GRI", "I use prefer a distel hitch over a VT". It's a very different mindset. That said, we can learn from each other, always.
I was always taught that they should be short enough to reach the crab on the end when fully loaded. so it depends on how tall you are/ how long your arms are.
A rig is like an ID for 10.5mm to 11.5mm rope, but does not have the anti-panic brake and will not lock if the rope is threaded incorrectly. It has a higher prevalence in rope access in the states and Europe, while the ID has more of a foothold here. The ID is also better for rescue.
I agree with Will, the I’d has a small rope grab in one end Incase you reeve it up backwards it wont send you to the ground and the rig is like a grigri on steroids with a locking position to hold you in one place without having to tie it off. Also the I’d has the panic catch that will lock it up if you over pull the lever and rig does not. Update: the new RIG released in 2018 has more safety features and a friction pad for the brake line that will last longer than the rolled sheet metal.
I 💓 my rig! :) If you were using a 1 rope system with no backup I would say for sure use an ID. But otherwise I don't see a single reason to use it over a rig. So for me it comes down to size and the rig is less bulky. I've used a Yates D4 Descender as well and I like it too. But it's heavy because it's steel, that should also be an advantage in the long run because it should last longer. The handle is also metal instead of plastic like Petzl so it's more durable but gets cold if you're working in cold weather. Also it's hard to explain without a demonstration but because the attachment hole for the biner is bigger it's possible by a complete fluke to cause the biner to come undone. Even if it's a tri-lock. Like I said that's going to take a fluke and your backup should still take care of things but it's a bit of a design flaw.
Typically industrial rope access people use steel carabiners - mainly because they are more durable and last longer than the lighter aluminium carabiners used in recreational rock climbing. The steel carabiners are also stronger - but given that even the lightest aluminium wiregate is rated to 24 kilonewtons of force (2.4 metric tons) the strength is less of an issue than the durability.
steel are used because aluminum, is quite soft and easily marred or damaged, ie climbing steel structures, you cant use a aluminum biner on steel structures unless you have a death wish. It has nothing to do with steel being rated for more weight, its simply the durabilty as you surmised.
As your an expert could you explain why techs have to use Ali biners when working in certain area's in refineries to help prevent sparks? Also can you tell us how quickly the Steel eyebolt with an Aluminium biner connected can cause a sufficient chemical reaction to make either fail? You must spend along time on ropes? Aren't planes made from Steel and Aluminium?
@@mikelatimer8439 You could throw a strap on the metal structure first and then use an aluminum if you really had to. It's just the metal on metal friction that's going to shave the biner down. I'm sure you already know this, I'm just pointing it out for people that are curious.
Steel on steel and alu on alu. Steel biners wear out aluminum ascenders and descenders. Read manual. Asap has list of approved biners. Also it's bad to use aluminum biner wigh steel lanyard
My 2020 access kit weight is +80 pounds. Reduced after donations to Canadians with less salary income. Nor do I use all I own in all rope access. Some I reserve to show a tyro the basics. NASA said what people like me do can help exploration of moons and other planets. Because where I go has had no blueprints. I'm an explorer.
Then your not just a moron, your a name dropping moron which is even worse, Petzl has one of the best reputations in the world over for work at height of any type. Thats why the whole world uses their shit day in day out. The Sala shit is just fine but if you think it safer than the Petlz your just a fucking moron and should keep your opinions to yourself.
Mike Latimer Dear Mike - your language and sentence structure speaks loudly of you education level. Kindly go back to college and get an polish it greatly.
Mike Latimer : There is absolutely NO reason to get NASTY, and start with the name calling, because someone else sees things just aa bit different than YOU. You just betrayed, and exposed yourself to be some what narrow minded, and extremely rude.
About to do the training with Access Techniques on Monday, and very grateful for these tutorials! Much appreciated!
I'm setting my kit little by little and this video is super useful, thank you!
Hi Adam is in a size one. A lot of the difference is in the distance between the leg loops and the waist.
Hi hw much is rop axses cors ass wonting to go in to this line off work
Thanks for the video, well explained and useful
Great video. Was hoping you'd be able to explain the reasons why screw gate carabiners are used in rope access as supposed to the 3-way auto-locking carabiners we use for rope access work in arboriculture?
Tom Rose I use screw gate on Y anchors - as during rigging, you are adding ropes to them several times - leaving them unlocked until you have finished rigging. Also the Y anchors are usually won't have anything rubbing against the gates - as opposed to Carabiners on your harness, etc.
Personally I like the Petzl screwgate with the visible red ring to show it is unlocked.
All Carabiners on my harness (cows tails, lanyards, ID, etc) are Tri lock.
@@3204clivesinclair It's faster to use a tri lock than a screwgate so I don't follow your logic about adding ropes.
hey all, just wondering what gloves he is wearing in this video? seems to have really fantastic dexterity even with them on. Thanks
Verry Useful Training
Thank you!
What’s the brand or name of the cross loading carabiner on the ASAP?
sorry an question the rope of progress (cow-tail) is rope dinámic o static?please congratulations for vídeo of instruccions and sorry forma mi inglish I am of country Ecuador
he said dynamic
2:59
there is a dead guy behind :D
Lol nice
very good información congratulations other vídeo in idions spanish super
Hi Yes we sell them £20, they also are rated as a work restraint lanyard.Very handy.
Drop us a email if you fancy one.
Hi am looking in to doing ma rop axse hw much duz a cors cost i am opining my own biznes cuting trees daun
And hw much ar the back ups u tork about in the video
Very good
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Hey guys, might be a silly question..just wondering what kind of gloves your guy is wearing here?...he seems to hold on to a world of dexterity even with them on
Mitchell Parkinson wondering the same thing
Did you happen to have any luck looking them up? Would love to find out what brand they came from
hi sir can i placed used one dyanmic rope with Duck R as a back up into the chest Ring instead on my D ring ..normaly 3 cows tail .now 2 cows tail the other cow tail i placed permanent into my chest ring .
What kind of work is this for?
Kaha aur kitne ki milengi
Interesting video, but I would have used a figure-8 follow through knot in place of your over hand knots. If you happen to take a fall and put sudden weight on those over hand knots they can tighten and become very difficult to untie. I come from a rock climbing back ground and have take 20-30 foot falls on a figure-8 knot. I have never had a problem untying figure-8's but had had over hand knots become so tight I could not untie them.
You have to understand these guys come from a very different place compared to rock/sport climbers. They have more in common with tree/cave climbing, and still are quite far from those too.
For one, safety/comfort trumps weight. Extra super redundant equipment is standard for them. Just look at their videos, all systems have single rope technique combined with a second, indipendent rope, with a backup fall arrester. In rock climbing you can have double/twin ropes but that's a different technique. Here everything is backuped once or twice during transitions. Including the "single" rope.
The cow tails rope is 4m of dynamic rope. In rock climbing a jammed knot and the need to cut a rope is a something major, here we're talking 4m of replaceable equipment.
Anyway, they simply don't take 20-30 ft falls. The arrester on the backup rope would engage after 1-2 ft. Unless an operator screws up in a major way, the only possible scenario for a 30 ft fall is when the beam they're attached to falls from the ceiling, and that's in case of a major earthquake. This also means they have bigger problems in that scenario than a jammed overhand knot.
Safety in their case also mean having a viable, solid, quick rescue plan at any time. They always rig with rescue in mind. In other type of climbing (and that's why this is called "access") weight is often a concern, for sure in rock/canyon/cave climbing. You can't rig everything doubled with already integrated progress capturing / lowering devices, that would require an absurd amount of equipment to carry with you.
Safety also implies standard equipment, standard procedures. Like having extra equipment always ready for fast and safe deployment. That's why they have a dedicate, standard, chest ascender available at all times, a standard hand ascender with foot loop, standard descenders devices, ready. They don't mess with prusik loops, autoblocks, klemheists, VTs as ascenders or third hands. When working for a company, company policies dictate equipment and procedures. There's not such a thing as "I like my ATC guide, or my GRI GRI", "I use prefer a distel hitch over a VT".
It's a very different mindset.
That said, we can learn from each other, always.
beautiful
How long in cm should the longer cowstails be? (non loaded)
I was always taught that they should be short enough to reach the crab on the end when fully loaded. so it depends on how tall you are/ how long your arms are.
Thanks
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a rope access skill set, is it anything like a normal rock climbing course ?
Jeff Chen No. It would be more like caving if anything, I'd say.
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pause at 3:36 then think dirty xD
where can i get this kit?
Hi Carl, we sell kit if you require. have a look at our website www.access-techniques.com cheers
can you explain the diference about petzl ID and RIG. tks
A rig is like an ID for 10.5mm to 11.5mm rope, but does not have the anti-panic brake and will not lock if the rope is threaded incorrectly. It has a higher prevalence in rope access in the states and Europe, while the ID has more of a foothold here. The ID is also better for rescue.
Rig is better for people with experience. Id is good for beginners
I agree with Will, the I’d has a small rope grab in one end Incase you reeve it up backwards it wont send you to the ground and the rig is like a grigri on steroids with a locking position to hold you in one place without having to tie it off. Also the I’d has the panic catch that will lock it up if you over pull the lever and rig does not.
Update: the new RIG released in 2018 has more safety features and a friction pad for the brake line that will last longer than the rolled sheet metal.
I 💓 my rig! :) If you were using a 1 rope system with no backup I would say for sure use an ID. But otherwise I don't see a single reason to use it over a rig. So for me it comes down to size and the rig is less bulky. I've used a Yates D4 Descender as well and I like it too. But it's heavy because it's steel, that should also be an advantage in the long run because it should last longer. The handle is also metal instead of plastic like Petzl so it's more durable but gets cold if you're working in cold weather. Also it's hard to explain without a demonstration but because the attachment hole for the biner is bigger it's possible by a complete fluke to cause the biner to come undone. Even if it's a tri-lock. Like I said that's going to take a fluke and your backup should still take care of things but it's a bit of a design flaw.
Does anyone know where to get that type of foot-loop? Thanks for the help.
he mentioned above in the comments on their site for £20. i think thats what he was reffering to.
Thank you. I did not read the comments before asking. Thanks again.
Athos looks to be an adjustable lanyard with a piece of hose on it that he just uses as a foot loop
@@michaelalbro6856 Thank you. These fellas actually sell this item on their online shop.
what material are those carabiners
Typically industrial rope access people use steel carabiners - mainly because they are more durable and last longer than the lighter aluminium carabiners used in recreational rock climbing. The steel carabiners are also stronger - but given that even the lightest aluminium wiregate is rated to 24 kilonewtons of force (2.4 metric tons) the strength is less of an issue than the durability.
steel are used because aluminum, is quite soft and easily marred or damaged, ie climbing steel structures, you cant use a aluminum biner on steel structures unless you have a death wish.
It has nothing to do with steel being rated for more weight, its simply the durabilty as you surmised.
As your an expert could you explain why techs have to use Ali biners when working in certain area's in refineries to help prevent sparks? Also can you tell us how quickly the Steel eyebolt with an Aluminium biner connected can cause a sufficient chemical reaction to make either fail?
You must spend along time on ropes?
Aren't planes made from Steel and Aluminium?
@@mikelatimer8439 You could throw a strap on the metal structure first and then use an aluminum if you really had to. It's just the metal on metal friction that's going to shave the biner down. I'm sure you already know this, I'm just pointing it out for people that are curious.
Steel on steel and alu on alu. Steel biners wear out aluminum ascenders and descenders. Read manual. Asap has list of approved biners. Also it's bad to use aluminum biner wigh steel lanyard
Allready 10year experience
My 2020 access kit weight is +80 pounds. Reduced after donations
to Canadians with less salary income. Nor do I use all I own in all
rope access. Some I reserve to show a tyro the basics. NASA said
what people like me do can help exploration of moons and other planets.
Because where I go has had no blueprints. I'm an explorer.
I would feel safer within my DBI Sala Exofit Tower Climbing Harness.
Then your not just a moron, your a name dropping moron which is even worse, Petzl has one of the best reputations in the world over for work at height of any type.
Thats why the whole world uses their shit day in day out. The Sala shit is just fine but if you think it safer than the Petlz your just a fucking moron and should keep your opinions to yourself.
Mike Latimer
Dear Mike - your language and sentence structure speaks loudly of you education level. Kindly go back to college and get an polish it greatly.
Mike Latimer : There is absolutely NO reason to get NASTY, and start with the name calling, because someone else sees things just aa bit different than YOU. You just betrayed, and exposed yourself to be some what narrow minded, and extremely rude.
I like my singing rock harness don't like the petzl ones at all some of the equipment is nice but not that harness
Good to see professionals in this environment smh
:))
5:10 some dude just resting in background
Very old style...
you rope access boys are some strange people