Did The Actions of Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark Prolong The Vietnam War?
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As a 12-year old kid watching the anti-war demonstrations on tv, I never understood why the protesters were carrying North Vietnamese and Vietcong flags. It was one thing to oppose our involvement in the war, but to actively support the other side? Didn't understand it then, and I still don't understand it.
Just as Hamas flags flying now a days. Didn't see people flying Iraqi/ Afganistan/ other tens of nations the establishment bombed to hell. It's communism. Vietnam was communist & unlike other Islamic nations Palestine is overtly communists, they had BLM movement in Gaza long before it was mainstream in America. Communists are destructive. When it's mixed with radical Islam, it's unparalleled toxicity. Btw I'm not giving a free pass to the war criminals in American establishment, who screw average Americans just as they screw people around the world. The difference is Americans are house slaves & rest are field slaves who's lives doesn't matter.
I completely agree. Traitors all of them. Again I do get the loss of life argument and it is saddening (I ultimately disagree.) but my oh my they had to support the enemy.
Now those same people support hamas.
@@six-pack1332 I'm definitely anti funding Israel
I agree with you 💯%.Yes how can you be anti-war but be other pro other side.
Jane Fonda stood on top of a communist North Vietnamese tank and openly called for the execution of American POWs, as war criminals. Nixon is overly diplomatic in his comments…
And to think her father fought in the battle of the buldge and on midway.
He was still a lefty though@@V8_screw_electric_cars
@@Thunderchild-gz4gc
He was a American soldier who put his life on the so we could be remain free
And you try to belittle him after that?
This right here is what’s wrong with our country
Do you have a source for the calling of executions?
@@dillonhunt1720 Yes, it is a film she did for the communists. She is seen giddy, all smiles for the camera, posing with the same Soviet supplied anti-aircraft guns used to shoot down Americans who became POWs. She triumphantly declares, “According to international law, these are criminals”. Then she goes further, apparently to impress her communist audience, adding that they “should be executed”. Totally sick to watch.
I remember that so well my dad was so pissed off he made the statement that if it had happened during WW2 they would have been tried and executed as traitors.
You still don't see that Nixon must have LET Fonda get there and back? You don't think N and K stopped other political enemies, physically and otherwise?
Nixon let this happen as a propaganda coup FOR HIMSELF.
FFS, wise up!
It’s probably different in reality because Vietnam didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor…. (or any other place on our soil)
@mgreg8134 I remember my father being so pissed off about my siblings speaking against the vietnam war. Curiously, he took part in WW2 as a volunteer from a neutral country.... rather than being conscripted. I don't think he was malicious...he just didn't think too often.
@@annpeerkat2020what do you mean by "He didn't think too often"? You don't think he actually thought about what it was he was going to go do in World War II and possible consequences? Seriously??!
@@annpeerkat2020
Nixon played on your father's and my belief that their country would never lie to them: in WWII the US gov't told THE TRUTH.
Nixon and his minions were ratf*cking liars. Go look up the term: Nixonians invented it.
When I see footage of Jane Fonda yucking it up with the NVA, I always think of my uncle. He was a Naval Aviator shot down over North Vietnam in 1968. Fonda was within spitting distance of my uncle and many other POWs who by 1972 had been reduced to living skeletons. I take what Fonda did very personally. She cared more about herself and my uncle's tormenters than the American fighting men not far away.
I swear she met some of them and sayed they were being treated well whilst they were being tortured.
@@johnnotrealname8168 I remember hearing she did meet with some American POWs but my uncle never saw her. The North Vietnamese were pretty good at picking the least injured / sick prisoners and "fixing them up" to look half way presentable. New clothes, makeup, hair dye, all kinds of tricks. But I also heard one of them tried to slip her a note or give some signal that it was a farce and she ratted on them. I'm not sure if that's true but honestly it wouldn't surprise me. Jane Fonda is a sick puppy.
@@BULL.173 It would not surprise given how obtuse she was, at the very least. I am glad your uncle made it out.
I heard that also on tv that she told the NVA what the prisoners said
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Purposely avoided watching anything that woman was in.
To this day. I'm 73.
For what? Opposing an unjust war where America was terror bombing a country of farmers and massacring villages? She had the audacity to demand that war criminals be tried for their crimes. Americans want to murder and rape without taking the consequences. A nation of crybabies. Of weaklings who pick on people who cannot fight back. And yet they lost.
Sure pops. @@bobgordon236
Yup, she makes me sick!
My wife brought home a jane Fonda DVD. I took it out Into the yard and lit it up with my SKS
He was right. Hanoi Jane didn't do our boys any favours.
False. He was weak and a criminal
She should have been tried for treason with the rest of the commies!
@@artwerksDallasJane Fonda is a traitor and never should have left Vietnam alive.
@@artwerksDallasJane is a traitor
@@artwerksDallas
You just described yourself, and Joe Bribem
I stood only a few yards from Jane Fonda outside the gates during the Republican National Convention of 1972, where I was one of the Young Voters for the President. The convention area was completely surrounded by protesters who were peaceful at first, and I was on foot, trying to find the only gate that attendees were still allowed to enter. Jane Fonda said she hoped the Viet Cong would defeat the Americans. After speaking, she set fire to an American flag that had been brought there for that purpose. She was clearly not a misguided idealist; she was a traitor. As for entering, I was speaking with a guard at the very moment the crowd erupted into a riot; and the guard told me to enter.
They stopped an illegal war, and you can't do that against an evil regime (Nixon) without pis*ing people off.
Tu Quoque won't cut it: Fonda didn't kill half 58K US and how many million Vietnamese?
I don’t know why she was never tried for treason.
@@duffmason734 She may have been protected by powerful, treasonous forces then; just as the Biden family are protected for having been given tens of millions of dollars from Chinese Communist Party connected businesses. Remember that in a totalitarian regime, everyone and every business is deemed a resource for "the state," which means, "the party."
You might have saved the lives of hundreds or even thousands of American servicemen if you had acted on that day!
@@duffmason734 Probably because it would just make her a martyr and exacerbate the issue further.
Vietnam vets are not Fonda Jane
❤
You combined a dad joke with a dig at Fonda.
The Fonda kids, terrible actors with silver spoons
@@wallacegrommet3479they’re great arguments for the prohibition of nepotism in Hollywood
I bought that bumper sticker for my father back in the mid eighties. He really hated those things, but put that particular one on his truck.
@@ggtjr4 I remember that bumper sticker.
I wasn’t around then. But it’s touching seeing Vietnam veterans still standing together all these years later against Jane Fonda. It shows those who lost their lives because of her are still remembered.
Well not all of them.
Lost their lives - because of her? Did she send them there? I guess Congress used to be run by Hollywood actresses back in the 1960s… I should re-read my American political history.
@renegaderaccoon335 Yes. If Jane Fonda and the like hadn't turned americans against the war, US could still be fighting and bombing the vietnamese.... probably with far better numbers, like perhaps 50/1 viet vs american fatalities.
Yes a bunch of silly festering old fools who were naive then and just senile now. Afterwards they probably went to the Waffle House and exchanged coupons for Depends
It's up to us to make sure they're remembered. @@rockhero2274
I think Jame Fonda should be tried for treason and never allowed back in our country. What a sickening person.
Unlike that thug in the video, Jane Fonda never killed anyone. She was great at pissing off the right, which is why I love her!
You clicked on a Richard Nixon video and you claim someone else is a traitor? Nixon and Kissinger sabotaged peace negotiations before they were even in office so as to prolong the war.
I wholeheartedly Agree. Watch: Jane Fonda on national TV calling for Vietnam POWs to be executed as war criminals
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I think we need to focus. Who’s in office now he’s nothing but a traitor in chief left billions of dollars of war equipment in Afghanistan make them the largest arm stealer in the world have our borders wide open and he supposed to be the big guy he supposed to be called commander chief he’s nothing but a trader and chief, but nothing to him
Right after trump buddy
Yes, yes. One thousand, millions times yes. There was a bumper sticker that once said, "I'll forgive Jane Fonda, When the Jews Forgive Hitler." God Bless Richard Nixon. We'll let the devil deal with Jane Fonda.
--- OY VEY! AND HOW DID HATING AN ACTRESS . . . improve the quality and the quantity of your life by blaming Jane Fonda for Nixon's seven-year extension of the American War against Viet Nam?
They became hitler.
For what? Nixon was the one who was the traitor. He covertly worked against the Johnson Government to sabotage peace talks so he could prolong the war.
Before my time, but it is hard to believe a bumped sticker like that existed. I understand why people hated Fonda, but as bad as she was, comparing her to Hitler is a bit much.
@@MultiEviscerator --- SELF-AWARE SISSIES ALWAYS HATE BALLSY WOMEN . . . hence the exaggerated comparisons of a silly-girl actress with The Baby Daddy of the Murican Right Wing.
It's one thing to hold a sign and demonstrate, but don't go over seas and break bread with Charlie
they were not our enemy when we invaded them, they didnt invade us
Charlie don’t surf! 🏄♀️
To those of us who were in range of gunfire in Vietnam, the warhawks and doves were both increasing our chances of dying. I did not appreciate that no matter what their motives were.
@@neilreynolds3858 The hawks were not in government though. Half-measures were constantly taken such as the bombing-halts.
My brother did two tours in Vietnam, I was still in school. I'm 65 now and to this day I have never seen a Jane Fonda movie.
Never liked her or any of her family.
And yet you still vote during elections to vote in governments that invade and bomb foreign countries, putting American soldiers (unnecesarily) in harm’s way? You sure showed Jane Fonda though. 😂
Patrickfitzmichael.... are you disappointed you weren't old enough to do a couple of vietnam tours?
@@annpeerkat2020 No. Just stating facts
@@brianfitzpatrick1183 Gotcha.... you're not disappointed that you didn't do a couple of tours in vietnam. I'm generalizing that very few people would be disappointed in such circumstances. If your brother did two tours voluntarily, he must have had a fairly uncommon mindset.
Realistically, I reckon a huge majority of people would be glad they didn't do any vietnam tours. Many of those would be because the war stopped before they were old enough to be conscripted. Why did the war stop? I'd suggest because the american and international public opinion turned strongly against it.... it became rather unpopular, particularly among those who were of an age where they could be forced to fight it.
When public opinion turns against something, politicians have an innate habit of sensing that, and choosing wise political options. I suggest that if public opinion had NOT turned against the war, american politicians would have continued it for a long time.
It was people standing out against the war, combined with the visual horrors seen in tv video journalism, that raised public awareness and eventually turned public opinion against the war. Do you respect/ have any heroes/ heroines that stood publicly against the vietnam war?
By 2024 standard, Watergate would have been perfectly acceptable for a US president lol.
Watergate would have been a 72 hour news story in modern times. Under today's "crisis management" playbook, Nixon would have thrown everyone remotely close to the breaking under the bus within 24 hours. Remember, his issue was in covering up the actions of others, not in ordering the break in itself. It might have reduced his win in 72 a bit, but not substantially.
It all depends on who does it. Biden gets away with everything while Trump was constantly lied about when the media couldn't find anything legit on him.
That’s how far we have fallen.
Watergate would be acceptable if a democratic deep state ordered the break in and political spying, but then as is now it is unacceptable to the deep state if a republican is implicated.
You mean by 2016-2020 standards.
Pres.Nixon, what an extraordinary intellect, unlike Hollywood's Jane Fonda.
that's obvious. i though you were going to write "unlike today's politicians".
Absolutely spot on.
As much as I agree with your statement, I would never put Richard Nixon's' name in the same sentence as that traitor, ever.
They called him "tricky dick," but I'm starting to recognize his brilliance. Don't know what you got till it's gone.
Except he's a snake. Talks about others prolonging the war when he himself sabotaged the peace deal as revealed in the Johnson Tapes. A politician through and through.
We don’t lose wars tactically or strategically, we lose them politically and culturally.
No you lose them on the theatre
Listening to Richard Nixon is like being in a graduate seminar on world affairs.
Yeah, though his real talents emerged during Watergate. “I am not a crook!” What a great role model he was.
Del ussional revisionists. @@gwarlow
@@gwarlow He was better than the gay black guy who sold our nuke technology to Iran and our stealth fighter technology to China.
@@nickcellini5609 you mean comrade rump who told the russian its ok to invade europe?
Don't forget sabotaging the peace deal with Vietnam for his own political gain.@@gwarlow
She also gave the names and numbers of pows that trusted her to share the info with the US government to the north Vietnamese. I never could figure out why one of the veterans didn’t track her down and do something to her.
I'm sure she thinks about that and has private security guarding her.
As a Vietnam veteran, a Marine Rifleman...if I ever spoke to Jane Fonda I would tell her "There is no statue of limitations for treason."
but you would suppport those that sent you?
@@annpeerkat2020 exactly. What a tool.
Sadly, both Nixon and Kissinger are dead.
@@annpeerkat2020 I wasn't sent. I volunteered.
@@annpeerkat2020 This assumes the War was itself wrong. The only person you can rightfully blame is Lyndon Baines Johnson for being a weasel against the North and William Childs Westmoreland for being an incompetent. Richard Milhous Nixon knew what needed doing for War and was willing to do them. Advisers too but I am sticking to decision-makers for now.
Jane Fonda called Jim Jones, the Kool Aid man, "a great man".
Most of the left glitterati were enthralled with him. It wasn't just Fonda.
@Packhorse-bh8qn 💯 He provided the first "rent-a-crowd". SF city hall bought the buses, wrote the placards.
Pelosi, Weinstein et al learnt their modus operandi there.
It never changed.
@@gvibration1 Yep. They don't need a formal, behind-the-scenes conspiracy. They all have the same goals, and they just take clues and lessons from each other.
It's all hidden in plain sight.
You have to remember that Jane Fonda in the early and mid-sixties was considered nothing more than a sex symbol by most men in the United States. She involved herself with men like Tom Hayden, the leader of the Students for a Democratic Society both as a protest to her father and to be seen as someone "serious".
You can't excuse her for going to Hanoi and getting behind an anti-aircraft gun. But she was simply very naive.
Jimmy and Roslyn Carter had him as a guest in the White House many times.. the California democrats loved Jim Jones.
Hanoi Jane. Never needed you then, certainly not now.
I wouldn't have halted any bombing because of Jane Fonda and if she survived she should have been arrested.
A delicious irony is that the worthless hippie generation will spend their final years surviving a second civil war that they made inevitable in their youth.
Ramsey Clark was a troublemaker.
He backed Khomeini in 1979 too!!!
Khomeini. Khamenei is the current theocrat in Iran.
J. Fonda and Bud Light are the Pearl Harbor event of my lifetime.
LOL
...not a gringo, but did 9/11 not happen?
Bud Light?
Drunk drivers have the good intention of going home; we still put them in prison.
Too bad Jane never had a chance encounter with a drunk driver
great censorship on this channel removing posts critical of conservatives but allowing hate speech
@@standardsupplies3332It’s never too late to
It's no small irony that the term "Useful Idiots" was coined by Lenin himself. Cynics are enough trouble but gods preserve us from the naive.
That's an urban myth. It's not true. Look it up.
@@fshoapsRegardless of who it came from, it is 1000% true, as the left is now demonstrating.
@@theguybehindyou4762 The Wacky Right too. Both extreem's are damaging the country.
@@fshoaps Thank You for making this clear.
@@theguybehindyou4762Thank you for making this clear.
The Vietnam War was completely unjustified but that doesn't mean Fonda's actions were justified.
At the very least, I believe that the South Vietnamese deserved to live free of tyranny like us, even if how we went about defending them was flawed. Ironically, doing for them what we're doing for Ukraine might have yielded better results.
@@theguybehindyou4762 USA actively kept south vietnamese living in tyranny, by propping up a succession of tyrannical regimes in south vietnam that were corrupt, brutal, and didn't represent their people.
A war is never unjustified when one side is fighting for the right to live free.
But tell me, who started the war? When Democrat JFK was murdered, there were around 25,000 US troops as advisers, right? Democrat LBJ increased that to around half a million. Initially, it appeared, to look strong against communism to bolster his chances of winning the 1964 election. Then he essentially quit on us in ‘68. Republican Nixon, beginning in 1969, worked to bring that number down to zero, without it becoming a fiasco withdrawal. He succeeded. It only collapsed into a fiasco later, after Democrat Congress refused to provide funds to defend the South anymore. Which gave the North, backed by China/Soviets, the green light. Isn’t that right?
@@theguybehindyou4762 What we're "doing for Ukraine" is just making a lot of money for the weapons manufacturers and enriching politicians through kickbacks and campaign contributions. In the end, after this is over and we've lost yet another war, no one in the US will give two shits about the Ukranians. We need to worry about our own freedoms- just look at Scotland and Canada for example.
Tricky Dick had his own issues, but he's right about giving "aid and comfort" to the North Vietnamese, declared war or not. There is no doubt that Jane Fonda was and is a traitor...and Ramsey Clark was a traitor. They should've been tried as traitors and punished as traitors. Period.
I'm glad I voted for Nixon in 1972 and I would again. He did some things I don't agree with but he was better than the alternative.
That's right, the communist McGovern!!
@DesertRat332 It's a tough call between nixon and trump, isn't it.
Trump didn't do any wiretaps.@@annpeerkat2020
@@MrRAGE-md5rj agreed... he only committed minor crimes like attempted insurrection.
@@annpeerkat2020 There has been no evidence that he had any part in the riot (There is no evidence it is an insurrection either.) and he regularly called for peaceful actions only.
It was a terrible war, so much treasure spent and countless lives wasted.
While I am all for defending those who wish to live free, Johnson doomed it to fail with how he started it.
If Americans had encouraged their men to fight for victory instead of demoralizing them maybe the war would've been won. But whe you listen to the enemy's propaganda and act cowardly this is what happens! You lose!
@@theguybehindyou4762 You seem to have erased two presidents from your analysis.... Eisenhower and Kennedy were both presidents who created/ maintained a military presence in vietnam, before Johnson got dropped in it.
@@annpeerkat2020He still could have moved things in a better direction before he escalated it the way he did- over a fabricated event, no less. The whole thing reeked of "gloryhound"
I like how he points out that they had good intentions. They just didn't know any better.
You could say they same about America being in Vietnam, and that's being generous.
Meanwhile he and Kissinger lied from 1968 forward to lengthen the war so they can manipulate it for their own political ends. That's never mentioned though. It's everywhere it's on the tapes it's an airline's notes. It's even in Kissinger's memoirs because he had to rewrite them after shock crosses sideshow came out. Go read sideshow you'll think differently about Nixon and Kissinger afterwards. Sideshow by Richard shawcross there that's three times see if it ignore it three times because your cultists.
He is being much more diplomatic and generous than they deserved.
@@Drchainsaw77 Especially for a man who with Kissinger delayed that war's end for years, starting by their treasonous stalling of the 1968 Paris Peace Talks. Tapes and Haldeman or Eirlichman's contemporaneous notes show Nixon and Kissinger manipulating war policy for congressional elections in 71 and later. Read some real history.
Two leftie dupes got to Hanoi circa 1970. HOW DID THAT HAPPEN (thru France, duh) if Nixon and Kissinger didn't LET IT? Ever think of that one? Two leftie dupes wised up: N and K died lying about VietNam and much else.
See ya.
And let's not hold Nixon up as some icon of courtesy, that lying, foul-mouthed man convicted himself out of his own double-talking mouth as a discourteous, racist dog and a liar. Nixon and Reagan laughing on a phone call about African ambassadors not being used to wearing shoes? Do they teach that truth and video evidence at the Nixon Institute?
@@69snuffleupagus damn, brutal takedown
I hope her gravestone has good plumbing, she's going to need it.
Outstanding. I was FDNY and we had Jane's face on all of our urinals
Unfortunately, I won't live to get to the end of the line at her grave site.
@@davedodds5200 Haha. For me Bill Clinton is the swine of all time. Over a dozen chances to stop 9/11 and he punked out each time
@@richardmeo2503bill Clinton could of stopped 9/11?
@@richardmeo2503Hopefully if there is anything to reincarnation Bill Clinton will come back as a urinal or a commode in a men's room.
It seems like RN has been much misunderstood and maligned. I find him a mesmerising speaker.
Traitors.
A little trigger happy there with your choice of words perhaps?
@@rebjorn79 Not at all. They fit the textbook definition.
Put Nixon behind her to save money on bull ets
Good ole' Hanoi Jane. I remember her with great fondness and affection. Yeah, right.
Shoulda said “Fonda-ness.” Missed out on a heck of a pun!
I saw somewhere they had her face on a sticker with a bullseye 🎯 in the middle. It was put in urinals here & there.
💦😳😱😝🤣🤣👍
She is now known as Jihad Jane.
“These lies have circulated for almost forty years, continually reopening the wound of the Vietnam War and causing pain to families of American servicemen,” Fonda wrote. “The lies distort the truth of why I went to North Vietnam and they perpetuate the myth that being anti-war means being anti-soldier.”
She added, however, that she doesn’t regret speaking out against a war she didn’t believe in - and she laments the fact that the circulation of not only those photos but also untrue stories (such as the claim that she encouraged Vietnamese guards to torture American POWs) obscured the nuances of her viewpoint.
The first arrest came on Nov. 3, 1970, when she landed at an airport in Ohio after giving an anti-war speech about Vietnam during a trip to Canada. Later reports indicated the directive for her arrest came from the Nixon White House, which had been watching her for months (and even tapping her phone) because of their distaste for the content of her political activism. When airport officials demanded to search her luggage, they found bottles of vitamins that they claimed could be illegal drugs, and they put Fonda into a jail cell for 10 hours.
Ultimately, all the charges were dropped. But a symbol of that arrest endures to this day: Fonda’s iconic mugshot, featuring a raised fist and the popular haircut she sported in 1971’s Klute, remains so popular that Fonda still sells T-shirts, pins, and mugs bearing the image. (All of the proceeds go to the Georgia Campaign for Adolescent Power and Potential.)
I like Richard Nixon more and more the older I get , and the more I see the Communists here in America .
Nixon is damn right. To this very day, I will not watch anything with 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda. She undoubtedly provided aid and comfort to those Red butchers!
Luckily, the US committed no war crimes in Vietnam, just like every other war, they are so sweet and honourable...
I would like to invite Hanoi Jane to come to Orange County California
and visit the City of Garden Grove,
A.K.A. "Little Saigon". It's so heartbreaking to see all the South Vietnamese flags being flown by South Vietnamese patriots living there.
@@paulieplayspoorlyThe difference is that Americans tried to avoid collateral damage while the communists didn't, the commies killed their fellow countrymen in terrorist attacks like insurgents do now. It also wasn't Americans that created the killing fields.
@paulieplayspoorly As if north Vietnamese and vietcong troops were sweet and pure without committing any atrocities? You and Jane fonda are cast from the same mold.
@@keithsurdyke2535 Oh, there's a new trick. Change the subject, put words into someones mouth, then call them out for something they didn't say. Nobody said the VC or the NV regs were pure, we were talking about that lying piece of shit R M Nixon. But you keep living in your world, teaching me a lesson.
Back then, treason was a capital offense. Hanoi Jane was what one might call a lucky idiot.
Had Vietnam been a declared war, Fonda could have found herself facing charges for violating 18 USC 2381.
She's not an idiot. She knew exactly what she was doing.
Only bc she was a celebrity
@@stevehicks8944I thought Vietnam went from a "police action" to a war. If it wasn't a war then why all the bombing of North Vietnam? Or the press and media outlets calling it a war? Or having the draft to enlist men to fight?
Why do these "celebrities" think they know better?
LBJ, McNamara and Westmoreland prolonged the war. Their collective strategy for fighting the war was abysmal.
If only Creighton Abrams was given the top spot initially, Vietnam probably plays out much better.
AND Nixon with his so called secret plan
it was king Elbeejay that prolonged the war with his disastrous policies which hamstrung the military. If Goldwater had been elected the war would have been completed in short order and without the nukes Elbeejay claimed he would use. MacNamara was Elbeejay's willing accomplice.
The Deep State, AKA MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX RUNS THE SHOW!!@@mrfiestas
Giving South Vietnamese forces special training and providing them arms and reconnaissance might have yielded the best result. At least then they would have their own struggle-for-freedom narrative, as opposed to looking like puppets.
@@theguybehindyou4762 exactly. Flooding South Vietnam with foreign troops just played into the hands of Hanoi, that Saigon was a "puppet" regime run by the west. An approach similar to Ukraine "may" of been more successful.
Conservatives judge morality by what happens, Liberals judge morality by what was intended!
Well said. And yet they continue to be wrong about everything
Conservatives don't act based on what is or isn't morally right but what they think they can get away with in the courts.
Conservatives place self interest above everything else - tax cuts anyone ?
Based on my experience of living with a liberal for 7 years, this is so incredibly true. Every time she does insane shit, she thinks it's alright because she had good intentions. What good are good intentions if they do more harm than actual good? What good are good intentions when they give you the perfect excuse to do the same shit over and over again? Liberals are children who have never grown up.
@@richardmeo2503 conservatives love censorship such as this channel
If you have no authority to end the war you’re foolish to insert yourself in the process
I would say the the Military/Industrial complex had a vested interest in prolonging the war!
Of Coarse! It's all about the Power and the Money!!
@@ThomasJones-sz3sx from the year dot!
And who controls them?....Democrats love war.
That's the part people don't pay attention to, the industrial complex.
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It would be good to put dates on these interviews.
And they should have been put on trial for treason.
I have always believed that!! Hanoi Jane & Ramsey & friends have BLOOD on their hands today!! Our U.S. soldiers & our prisoners suffered so much!! P. O. W. 's were tortured badly due to their stupidity. I heard Hanoi Jane apologized in recent years, but on behalf of our soldiers, and prisoners who died shedding the their BLOOD for all of us will never be forgotten!! We will never forgive or forget what she did!! Nixon our best president ever!! Do your due diligence on him, all of his accomplishments for this country, and all they remember and talk about is Watergate, what a joke!!
Her apology isn't acceptable. Phony.
She laughed with the enemy as our boys were being killed by the people she laughed with
She shouldn't have been allowed back to the states.
Watergate is all they have on him, and they hate him because he made them all look obsolete.
In veritas.
To this day that woman should be in jail for treason.
Hope Fonda & co, live with your closing words Richard, for eternity .Yes what a sickening person, Fonda was.
Hanoi Jane, call her the right name.
Interesting. Obviously, folks like Jane Fonda and Ramsay Clark shouldn't be playing peacemaker when it's not their role. I'm impressed at Nixon's ability to see their good intentions, though, which shouldn't be doubted. On the other hand, the road to hell is paved with these. I can't help but add that we all have good intentions, Mr. Nixon included. Perhaps that's why he Is so considered in his answer here. Wonderful snippet.
He's 'considered' in his reply here because he's re-writing history. Do you think think the vile, lying, foul-mouthed raging animal of the White House tapes would speak so prettily?
It is everyones role to be peacemaker. Morally Jane Fonda was correct, just as the many protesters was correct. Treason? No! Because the government in persuing the war was acting unlswfully and unconstitutionally.
But it is in her deplorable speeches and actions that Fona is guilty of.
To be honest when she visited North Vietnam her citizenship should have been imediately revoked.
I was an anti Vietnam protester at the time and considered her rabi actions deplorable and not in the best interests of political protest.
One thing we can take away from this is to never look to hollywood for guidance on politics. McCarthy was right about them.
@@khankrum1 a bit hard to take away the citizenship of someone born in that country.... but you'd find a way?
@@theguybehindyou4762 Perfect! The dinosaur is dead, long live the dinosaur! Someone sprouting the acumen and wisdom of mccarthy fits wonderfully into the tone of this commentary!
So why weren’t they jailed for treason? Fonda went on to have successful career ( to this day ) whilst her fellow countrymen died. Absolute disgrace.
From this vietnam vet, Fonda & Ramsey should be rotting in prison.
concur in totality !
Yep
Never liked that woman. She was a traitor pure and simple. And she should have been punished.
True
There is no statute of limitations for treason.
The more that I learn about Former President Richard Nixon, the more disappointment that I have that his accomplishments were buried through my upbringing. This guy appears to be one of the finest leaders in American history.
look to the future.... there's trump
Yeah, you would think his whole life was nothing but Watergate,a true disservice to a great President and a great man,I wish he was President right now than this thing that's in there now.
Yes
The casualties were definitely increased and Hanoi Jane has blood on her hands. I’ll never forget or forgive
There is no doubt about it!
She's forever Hanoi Jane. Her mea culpa from a few years ago is meaningless.
best she's never interred in the ground, or for that matter, anywhere where one could not reach her marker. Plenty of folks will place on her a little something on it commemorating her past history...
@@forgottenman8629Yes,and it will be real stinky.
It seems like a very common thing among women to give aid to invading armies just like many of them defend bullies
All she faced was an unfavorable narrative from a media controlled by the communists, which makes her look even more air-headed.
Agree. 100%.
My neighbor, a Green Beret captain, told me that when he came back from the war, he realized the war was wrong, but "it still bothered me that people in San Francisco were carrying North Vietnamese flags...the flag of people that had tried to kill me."
Are we forgetting Tom HAYDEN??
Everybody else has, He was such a loser
@@edwardgilson9891 He also went with Jane...
@@NormSimpson-iw5jrThen he's just as guilty of treason as Fonda and should be arrested, charged and prosecuted, hopefully found guilty, if he's already dead,he should be tried anyway.
100% agree
is that lady still living if so regardless of what she did she should be tried for treason
I believe that
FJF
I always liked nixon...if he was running now...he wouldn't have got caught...
Get cought 😂 that stuff is everyday rugular run of the mill shit that goes on in DC 😂
Other than covering up the crimes of others what exactly did Nixon do?
Nobody would of cared. Compared to the current two Presidental candidates, Nixon was a choir boy.
Not got caught?! Are you serious, with all this technology today.
Agree, they should have been imprisoned for treason !!!! Never watched anything they had anything to do with!!!!!!!!!
Vietnam Vet Tom
He's correct
All of those enlightened "citizens" should have been arrested for Treason. Did you know when she met with some of our POWs they slipped her a note with their ID numbers. She turned around and gave it to the NVA Commander. Two of those POWs were killed. To learn more see my detailed work FATAL FLAWS BOOK 2 1945-1975
No the History series is on B&N, and traces 9/11 back to WW I. Cannot seem to get traction on reviews. 12 years of R&W@@Rhythmicons
Had she been an Israeli she would have been killed for treason they don't play when it comes to there national security
I call bullshit on that. Proof up or shut up.
John McCain talked about it
@@paulgrieshop5024 Yeah so did a few others in the Documentaries on those POWs. Yet she still escaped prosecution
Did anybody in her family fight in Vietnam and get seriously injured or killed ? I doubt it.
Many in her generation died and got all fucked up, fella, and she was trying to prevent not just more of that, but to prevent more little brown people with slanted eyes from getting killed (millions) by people who only care if white Muricans get killed, OK?
At least try to have a little compassion and other-directedness for your fellow humans, OK?
@macc240038 I'm thinking why the hell would they? Along the same lines as why would anyone want to be in israel's armed forces? I mean, we all love a bit of good killing, but aren't we supposed to color that with a veneer of moral correctness and have at least half an attempt to justify it?
I mean, the korean war had nothing to do with a war of independence.... but the vietnam war started solely as a war of independence, but morphed into something completely different as america sought to create a compliant regime in the south while kneecapping the north.
>>I'm thinking why the hell would they?
Conscription into the armed forces? US had it until ?1970; Israel has mandatory national service. Conscripts made up most of the US in Korea.
I agree
hell yeah
Yes and in her hopes she damned the people of Vietnam to a worse fate of how government should treat their people.
Although the communist state there isn’t maintained the same as in China it definitely leaves Vietnam uo for grabs by the much larger nation to envelope it and use it as its own entity to rule over.
The people of Vietnam even under communism want to live their own way of life, however they have worse living conditions and standards with their rule of government as their way of running their country
That's the one detail that the anti-war crowd consistently overlooked, and continues to. Somehow they never make the connection between our failure and a worse fate befalling the South Vietnamese people. It's as if everyone forgot we were there to DEFEND an ally.
@@theguybehindyou4762 there is much more in depth discussion about that region of Asia but yes we were at that time helping an ally, but the people advocating for “peace” do it under the guise of going against powers they can actually affect and know full well they can’t have peaceful surrender from the communist side of the spectrum.
All for a PR stunt to seem “right” in what they were advocating.
It’s like the saying of “the worst fates humanly possible all were done with the best of intentions”.
No matter the battle for peace there is always going to be victims but the results are what truly matter and what resulted in Vietnam wasn’t the best outcome for their people, but they were all tired of the conflict so they chose to live under a dictatorship rather than fight a war with no public support for the side they wanted to win
@@theguybehindyou4762 thanks for your words... in the middle of serious commentary you gave me a cathartic belly laugh.
There's some very subtle differences between "defend an ally" and "create a puppy regime"..... but I guess you're american.
@c.galindo9639 History is a wonderful thing! For example, if one simply googles (or studies a tad more deeply) one can find that vietnam has been fighting for independence from foreign interference for centuries. Strangely the vietnamese have resisted the grabs by a "much larger nation" (china) for a long time before the "vietnam war" and even after that war.
Directly before WW2 it was france seeking to control them, then japan during WW2 (assisted by french puppets), after WW2 it was back to the french seeking to control them, then when the french withdrew america sought to control them. So you may understand that vietnam was forked around more by western countries and japan in the modern era.
@@annpeerkat2020Indeed, their circumstances were unfortunate. They'd been resisting foreigners for so long that when one actually tried to give them freedom, they resisted that, too, and ended up being "independent" under a communist slave state. Just because you're independent doesn't mean you're better off.
"Resistance" can be a helluva drug. They couldn't get their heads out of resistance mode, and they got their "independence" good and hard.
Fonda is unforgiven.
Amen
I still refuse to watch Jane Fonda in anything at all and she still doesn't think she did anything wrong.
'Everyone has a plan until Jane Fonda shows up in Vietnam'
Mike Tyson
I’m surprised Fonda was not prosecuted or vigilanteized.
God bless Richard Nixon
gawd protect us all from powerful tyrannical rule.
Tell it
A wonderful lesson to learn: don't take entertainers political messages seriously. Just because they entertain doesn't mean that they are experts in external affairs.
Hanoi Jane.
yes! -- I had people there
"Hanoi Jane's" butt should have been thrown in jail the minute she returned to America. There is nothing that she could ever do to make amends for her Treason.
Nixon was underrated. He was far more good than bad.
GOOGLE IT !!! Nixon Prolonged Vietnam War for Political Gain-And Johnson Knew About It, Newly Unclassified Tapes Suggest
My brother was a Marine who served in Vietnam. To this day he still refers to her as Hanoi Jane.
Treason is less forgivable than incompetence.
Wow
I personally think Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark should've been arrested and imprisoned. And I personally think that they should still be in prison to this day. Just saying 🤷♂️
As usual, Mr. Nixon is right.
I'll just check his top lip, see if he's lying.
I have to wonder…WTF her father thought of her. To have the POTUS say on national television…” she gave aid & comfort to the enemy”…
I have a daughter I love with all my heart…but mine would certainly be broken in two.
consider the source
Oddly enough Henry Fonda was a lifelong friend of Airforce General Jimmy Stewart, a known ardent conservative. General Stewart on occasion personally dropped off "care packages" to the North Vietnamese in the form of high explosives delivered in air strikes against Hanoi Jane's comrades.
I wonder what her father thought about her going to Hanoi,he should have been ashamed of her and highly pissed, when she got back he should have hade a serious talk with her.
Well the actions of Rear Admiral George Morrison sure had a bang up effect
Hanoi Jane will never be forgiven for her actions.
This is an example of lack of understanding of complex and heavy issues.
Not complex.... Read the Pentagon Papers.
By WHOM?
Why then were they not punished for giving aid and comfort to the enemy? That's the very definition of treason.
See Kissenger. Always nice to take the word of a lying criminal