I dunno, by the time time I get to this section of the podcast, it's almost my bedtime and those meandering autistic tangents help me start nodding off
@@iller3 Sometimes they get some gold, I still think about the guy who named his son Dante and lied to his wife about it being a Biblical name only to get stopped when he tried to name the second son Vergil. Pat and Woolie's reaction was priceless. Or the guy who asked about hustle stories
I've gotten 3 or 4 letters on the podcast. Mostly cause I remember early on, in the SBFC days, Woolie specifically asked for letters to have a tl;dr at the top. So if you guys wanna get on the podcast, just do that, please!
Theres 2 ways of handling a situation like this. 1. You stop responding to any Email that goes over a desired length 2. What Pat did. Frankly, im all for option 2, bonus that Woolie still gets to be fun Dad while completely agreeing.
"I don't NEED to know of the painful conflict in your character's heart being the last surviving member of her species and the true everlastintlg monarch of the Wild Soul Triumvirate. How big are her boobs, how big is her butt? How many inches? DONEZO. PAYPAL. Good Day."
I'm gonna send in a letter that starts off as a verbose question, turns into lorem ipsum in the middle, and ends with an online recipe complete with ten paragraph life story.
Pat is definitely right here cuz legit the dude didn't need to go on like a 5 paragraph essay spiel about their Etrian Odyssey stream, they just needed a tiny bit of context and then to ask "hey have any rereleases fucked with the story in a shit way"
Yeah. As an EO fan myself, all the context necessary was that in the original, the game forces you to genocide an intelligent species to advance, and makes it clear that you are awful for doing this, while in the remake's story mode they try to excuse the main characters by saying the species has some kind of incurable disease that makes them lose their minds, so you have no choice but to kill them for their own good. You don't need to put the game's whole story in your email.
15:33 Pat, under the stress of his dog growing stronger, his new son learning how to dreamwalk, and the assault of really long emails, finally snaps. The "AngriestPat" persona bubbles to the surface, long dormant. In response to the actual question, Doom Eternal's DLC's ruin the story SO HARD it basically retcons the whole story to be worse, and makes me not want to play future games anymore.
I actually feel neutral towards the DLC and kinda respect that they went "Balls-to-the-wall" with the premise. There are also no current Doom games being worked on or planned at the moment, so I don't think you should care about its future.
@@gorimbaud not a fair comparison, tabata left the company after they cancelled his attempts to manage a project he had to pick up after square shuffled nomura into full kingdom hearts mode
@@UnlimitedBick but learning his backstory in a dlc still turned ardyn from maybe one of the most interesting villains in the franchise into something really boring though. the full suite of season 2 dlc may have redeemed it somewhat, since they had a whole alternate story planned to kick off from it before that all fell apart, but man.
Well the thing to remember is that by return of the Jedi Jabba is like a creepy old man who spent like fifty years sitting around eating and smoking, so of course he can barely feed himself, but other Hutts are probably more active. Plus there's a scene in one of the tie in books where Jabba's dad shows up and him and his gang are having a blaster fight with some empire soldiers, and Jabba's dad (who just looks like Jabba with a beard and Dreadlocks, his name is Zorba the Hutt look him up) just sits there and tanks blaster fire because his hide is so thick that he no sells it. So Hutts are tougher than they look.
@@psykomancer4420 It's both. But the fun part, is how the dynastic power structures got started in the first place: long long ago, when the hyperdrive was brand new, Hutts were a warrior society, conquering numerous star systems and subjugating entire species. At one point there was a civil war, obliterating Hutt society to near apocalyptic levels, and rendering their homeworld completely uninhabitable. This led to Boonta the Hutt and their revolutionary reforms, transforming their culture into the criminal syndicates we know now. The idea being that Hutts are naturally extremely competitive with each other and need the outlet, but can't ever be allowed to reach that boiling again. So now, being so obese that you could barely lift your hand to your mouth was seen as being cultured and refined. But despite the shift in thought, any Hutt that chose to hit the gym and stick with it, would be absolutely terrifying and shockingly fast
That's definitely a part of it, but it's entirely possible to be short and terrible. Like, an email that's just "'Tell me why all videogames suck" isn't a good one.
If anything he's underselling the deserved aggression, imagine HOW MANY emails they've had to sift through before this one is the breaking point. And they've been doing this for yeeears
Yeah dude imagine innocuously opening up emails for questions and you get hit with some guy's diary entry for the day in screenplay format with some tangentially related question at the end to answer.
Tbf, if anyone was gonna write an email where they waffle on about about a topic for way too long in what feels like a one-sided conversation they're having with themselves before throwing a relatively simple question out into the air it would be a streamer.
This felt so good. It felt like the past year or so especially had so many emails that would weave an entire fucking tapestry just to ask a simple question and I'd have to get secondhand embarrassment while Woolie tried his best to just get to the point. The cringe I felt anytime it happened while they had a guest too, christ. Thanks Pat.
What happens is people start to get more and more unhinged with using the letter reading as a platform to tell their life story instead of giving simple context to their question. And I can't really blame how it gets that way. I'll give a personal example, from being at Woolie's panel at TooManyGames. Basically *everyone* who asked a question, me included, gave some personal context to their question, because we've all figured out Woolie and his various co-hosts love how everyone has their own individual experience with the thing they're asking instead of inevitably asking the exact same question 500 times that the asker hasn't caught up on. Eventually you're GOING to get people that don't check themselves on the word count when they do this, because they get so caught up in "having their moment" with getting it put out there for the world to hear. And back to the personal example, I had literally only thought of the Soul Calibur-adjacent question since Woolie announced the line-up for the mic, and I tell you having to re-edit how to go over it in my head was *agonizing* because having to edit yourself can be really tough at first when you just want to run your mouth. I like to think I did an okay job at condensing the context into my question at the end, but lemme tell you, if you want an easy path to getting hit with Pat's lesson: Do it for a con panel instead of an infinite letter. You will check yourself REAL fast especially hearing the people in front of you having equally reasonable lengths in their explanations. ...Yes, I realize the irony of the comment being this long to describe this, but hey, that's why I added the personal context, to demonstrate it. (Also I agree with Pat, it's hilarious that the end of that bit was an actually good question)
it's almost like the fans that write in have seen how blind to context pat and woolie are they make sure to include enough of an explanation in their letters to not be taken wrong by the chucklefucks who still get the character subplots for kanji and naoto in persona 4 wrong.
The footage of Han talking to the original Jabba wasn't in the original release of the movie, it was left on the editing room floor and they reused it with a CGI Jabba for the special edition. The scene just wasn't necessary, it's almost the exact same dialogue as the scene where he shoots Greedo.
"I feel like: The longer your title is, the less faith you have in the story's own core appeal" Pat might be on to something with this statement. There's also something interesting about how the Isekai publishing via mob rule racket operates, however poorly it might run. I feel like getting your story published as an author, would be more about who you know. Mainly because book publishing and book sales in the US are nothing more than a money laundering racket. Edit - 50 word limit, Woolie. Brevity is the soul of wit. Simple as. Edit 2 - HOW IS PAT THE LEAST INSANE ONE WHEN IT COMES TO HOT DOG CONDIMENTS?!?!?!
mustard wife is probably a nice mitigation effect or maybe because he has normal condiment habits, paige is the universal counterbalance it'll be interesting when i hear the context i wonder if pat jr will claim his throne of mustard
The worst part on isekai titles is that it's a cycle. Only long titles get picked up, only long titles are there for reference for new writers, everyone only tries long titles because they're afraid of losing engagement. I saw this SO MUCH with webcomics and paneling trends. Do 60 episodes or get out. Get the most bombastic initial episode or readers won't subscribe. Do gigantic white spaces or you'll lose readers' attention. Get surprised when an artist fucking dies of overwork or quits due to burnout. I'm so glad page comics stayed alive because a lot of artists just didn't care for that and kept going with their amazing works
I think people think all the quick and easy questions have already been asked and answered so they don't bother. Now all you have left are the questions and stories requiring lengthy context or made by people who don't recognize what they're saying isn't as interesting as they think it is.
17:05 When hearing "Luca holding a baby", my mind created a scenario where Luca Blight from Suikoden II was holding a child above a mother, causing me to immediately clear the image from my head because I didn't like where it was going. When presenting an example, context can be pretty important it seems 😅.
I agree 100% with pat. When you follow an account for video game related content, the last thing I want to see is their political opinion and shitty atitude for those who's opinions differ
"This is a cool artist, I'll follow them to see more" then just get bombarded by endless scrolling through their daily life journal that I just unfollow.
21:35 While the lead up is correct - Jabba was just a chubby dude - this part I'm pretty sure is incorrect - and chat rightly calls him out for. The original release of Star Wars (IV A New Hope) and all home video copies had the scene cut from the movie. It wasn't until the special edition re-release in like '97 that the scene was put back in, and they changed it to look like a younger, greener Jabba, rather than just "Chubby schlub".
I mean, Legends says Hutts don’t start out immobile, the young ones start out lean and mean and in fact the big lazy ones are actually more muscle than they had when they were younger, at the same time a woman the size of Leia can slowly strangle a race that has cartilaginous bones so presumably Jabba could’ve just flung her around like a rag doll.. legends is a mess
The explanation of grabbing attention with long and weird light novel titles on whatever site they’re on makes sense, but then there’s weird outliers. So Kazuma Kamachi is the creator of A Certain Magical Index, and is one of the best selling authors in Japan and probably the world. Index’s name? Pretty normal. Another series of his, Heavy Object. Pretty normal… and then we have more recent titles like “The Weakness of Beatrice the Level Cap Holy Swordswoman That Made Being the Strongest Even More Trouble - His Name? Boo Boo”. Kamachi why are you doing this, there is no discernible reason to name it like this, I don’t understand!
I wrote in a kinda shitty letter a while back but i think I got in just through the benefits of having it be a Short And Consise Story. Brevity works wonders people, c'mon now
I highly respect Disco but I also don't want it to be a trend. Western RPGs already spent 3 generations removing combat, mechanics, & player agency. We are already in an industry that treats RPGs as dailogue simulators. Baldur's Gate 3 is so refreshing because both its writing & mechanics are deep.
I feel like every big release that does something new and interesting gets a wave morons saying "should every game emulate the new hotness?" and the answer is always "no, I don't want every game to turn into the same game"
@@zaneseibert that's true. The audience does reinforce this sometimes especially when advertising lied to get them in the door. I love Brutal Legend I understand why a lot of people went in with false expectations. You want a diverse marketplace. Mint chocolate is great, but that doesn't mean i want all chocolate in the stor to be Mint Flavored.
I know I'm late to the party but when they mentioned "steamies" I looked them up and those are just hotdogs that are either boiled or steamed and not grilled...which I didn't think necessitated a whole new name. You don't see people in Michigan calling a coney dog (best made with Koegel's brand skinless hotdogs) a "Steamie Coney" just because of how it was cooked, or a hotdog boiled in a pot on the kitchen stove a "Boilie" because that would be crazy. I think Montreal just wanted to feel special about doing a honestly common thing to do...
Dude hearing Woolie read out what was basically a damn synopsis of the game really put these emails into perspective. if you're prefacing a question it should only need like 3 clarifying sentences before you ask it
Oh, that's somewhat common; they're far-righters who don't get that the Imperium is a parody of murderous regimes and are not the good guys, and that say, Commissars look like your average Gestapo/SS officer for a reason.
Funny thing about part of Woolie's example long-as-fuck title including Is It Wrong To Pick Up Girls In A Dungeon, that is not an Isekai. It's just a regular fantasy world with one of those stupidly long titles. But, the fantasy world does have quantifiable RPG stats in it, but that's just how real life is for them and it's not actually some video game and people just don't question how they're able to quantify their own stats. I haven't actually watched the show, for the record, I've only played the recent dungeon crawler game that's on Switch (and PS4/5 and Steam), and it does a decent job catching you up on basic concepts without needing the show (The most I've seen of the show itself is the one meme gif of the two MC's doing that toothbrush dance.) Unlike, say, the Fairy Tail game starting like several seasons in but having zero subtitle to tell anyone this is for fans and not meant to be a starting point. Yeah, I'm a little salty I almost got suckered by that game. ...That sure tangented.
*Boaty McBoatface Can’t Relate To Other Aquatic Craft So Guess It’s Time To Commit Petty Larceny For A High School Guidance Counselor Hopefully Before The IRS Realizes The Truth About Dad’s New Hobby Over Summer Break With Mayonnaise-sama!* _Working Title_
I do hope from now on they'd just straight up skip meandering 2000 word essays. Just look at the scroll bar and the top of the letter. Too long with no summary at the beginning? Bye.
Ironically this video is too long for the title. They don't get to the point of the title of the video "Your Letter Is Too Long" til 3/5ths of the way through
Gotta admit. I sent a kind of long letter a while back, dunno if it ever even went through since I mostly catch CSB through these cuts, but I remember that it was a _long_ letter about what was functionally my personal understanding of mind's eye, mind's ear, that sort of thing after Pat mentioned not being able to replicate other peoples' voices mentally. Feeling a bit self conscious. When I was writing that I wanted to be as clear as possible and did a lot of overexplaining and reiteration because I felt an odd sort of parasocial kinship with Woolie after the whole 'growing up when we had differences we'd explain where we were coming from and get past it, what do you mean explaining myself comes off as making excuses? people think that way?' thing and I suppose thought being as clear as possible meant being exhaustive in detail. I forget sometimes that tiring people with incessant dialogue is sometimes worse for clarity, not better. Explanation, not excuse. Will learn from that mistake.
@@stevsux4442 It's not even that long though, c'mon. People leave full on novels in comment sections while this guy's just trying to explain his point in really basic terms. It's the length of two and a half tweets. Probably feels even more self conscious leaving that comment now when the whole thread is nothing but this
@@Trynt33 you read too many long comments if you think this is "really basic terms." if you wanna make your points shorter and more concise start by making that declaration shorter and more concise
Overcomplicating isekai there. It means otherworld, that's it, if people go from one world to a different world it's an isekai. Multiverses are different versions, not different worlds.
not exactly, it means "reincarnated in another world" or "becoming another person in another world", if that wasnt the case then most anime would be isekai, inuyasha counts as an isekai? digimon?
"that explains why those stupid long titles became a trendy thing" that just like saying "so thats why the trendy thing is trending, its a trend!😮" and being legit surprised.
Funny that he brings up Scrubquotes, because politcal shit is exactly why I stopped following that account. Like, for fuck's sake I just want my gimmick accounts to STAY ON THE GIMMICK
I really wish Woolie would stop assuming everybody listening has heard and remembers every podcast, especially when he gets irritated at someone for not getting the bit... I mean sure, that applies to me, but assuming that for everyone is pretty snobbish.
It's a catch 22 with him since he's also used to dealing with the super freaks that have actually listened to every podcast going back to the SBFP era. It's not easy as someone in the public spotlight. That and it'd get really tedious to repeat after the fourth or fifth time (Remember when he made Pat hate Sayonara Wild Hearts within the podcast of it getting brought up)
"You might send in a good letter, or you might send in this letter" wow that hits VERY different on the second watch lol
It becomes like NG+, knowing the horrors that lie ahead just make it even better
The internal rage of being a new father that must be held in is starting to come out on the podcast and I'm here for it.
Tee hee wait 'til the kid's a toddler and pat starts finding things like a shoe full of ketchup or cheese slices in between the mattresses.
Angriest Pat is back!
@@slappybigalow8971 implying Paige doesn't already do those things
@@Shadest yeah, but Paige is hot
Pat gettin mad at the question then sayin decent question was so fuckin funny
The letter shouldn't have a TL;DR, it should BE the TL;DR
TL:DRs should go at the BEGINNING of your fucking text. It's like the thumbnail for your essay. That's what a thesis statement is for fuck's sake.
I mean it should at least be the R.
After all the 'least schizo letter-writer' bits, this was really cathartic and Pat speaks for all of us.
I dunno, by the time time I get to this section of the podcast, it's almost my bedtime and those meandering autistic tangents help me start nodding off
Yeah but it was too long. He really should have kept his response under 1 minute he's on a podcast after all ;)
@@iller3 Sometimes they get some gold, I still think about the guy who named his son Dante and lied to his wife about it being a Biblical name only to get stopped when he tried to name the second son Vergil. Pat and Woolie's reaction was priceless. Or the guy who asked about hustle stories
isn't schizo a no-no word? like gypsy. or midget.
@@Trynt33is there a clip somewhere of that dante story?
I definitely wrote in this kind of letter a decade ago when i was younger and i thank God every day Woolie never read it
That Time I Disrespected My Opponent's Oki and Got Reincarnated in the Losers' Bracket
I've gotten 3 or 4 letters on the podcast. Mostly cause I remember early on, in the SBFC days, Woolie specifically asked for letters to have a tl;dr at the top. So if you guys wanna get on the podcast, just do that, please!
or just delete everything below the TLDR! Even better!
Theres 2 ways of handling a situation like this.
1. You stop responding to any Email that goes over a desired length
2. What Pat did.
Frankly, im all for option 2, bonus that Woolie still gets to be fun Dad while completely agreeing.
Congratulation, Pat! You just got a sample taste of what Art Commissioners go through with the verbose, flowery descriptions of a simple scene !
"I don't NEED to know of the painful conflict in your character's heart being the last surviving member of her species and the true everlastintlg monarch of the Wild Soul Triumvirate. How big are her boobs, how big is her butt? How many inches?
DONEZO.
PAYPAL.
Good Day."
No, it's the opposite that's much worse. When you have to drag out what they want and they keep giving you one sentence responses.
Or Joss Whedon scripts
@@Horatio787 oh those really are the worst. Using email like it's discord messages.
For sure. I'd rather have too much info than too little when it comes to doing work for someone.@@Horatio787
I'm gonna send in a letter that starts off as a verbose question, turns into lorem ipsum in the middle, and ends with an online recipe complete with ten paragraph life story.
Pat is definitely right here cuz legit the dude didn't need to go on like a 5 paragraph essay spiel about their Etrian Odyssey stream, they just needed a tiny bit of context and then to ask "hey have any rereleases fucked with the story in a shit way"
Yeah. As an EO fan myself, all the context necessary was that in the original, the game forces you to genocide an intelligent species to advance, and makes it clear that you are awful for doing this, while in the remake's story mode they try to excuse the main characters by saying the species has some kind of incurable disease that makes them lose their minds, so you have no choice but to kill them for their own good. You don't need to put the game's whole story in your email.
@@Terithiannice letter blog :^)
15:33
Pat, under the stress of his dog growing stronger, his new son learning how to dreamwalk, and the assault of really long emails, finally snaps. The "AngriestPat" persona bubbles to the surface, long dormant.
In response to the actual question, Doom Eternal's DLC's ruin the story SO HARD it basically retcons the whole story to be worse, and makes me not want to play future games anymore.
nah you're wrong
I actually feel neutral towards the DLC and kinda respect that they went "Balls-to-the-wall" with the premise. There are also no current Doom games being worked on or planned at the moment, so I don't think you should care about its future.
oh that reminds me of ffxv's episode ardyn
@@gorimbaud not a fair comparison, tabata left the company after they cancelled his attempts to manage a project he had to pick up after square shuffled nomura into full kingdom hearts mode
@@UnlimitedBick but learning his backstory in a dlc still turned ardyn from maybe one of the most interesting villains in the franchise into something really boring though. the full suite of season 2 dlc may have redeemed it somewhat, since they had a whole alternate story planned to kick off from it before that all fell apart, but man.
Pat and Woolie complaining about someone taking too long to get to the point it hilarious.
Pat turns into One Punch Man. "TWELVE WORDS OR LESS!"
no 200 word essays bitch
Fewer*
Edit: Or is it "less"?
Flesswer
Well the thing to remember is that by return of the Jedi Jabba is like a creepy old man who spent like fifty years sitting around eating and smoking, so of course he can barely feed himself, but other Hutts are probably more active.
Plus there's a scene in one of the tie in books where Jabba's dad shows up and him and his gang are having a blaster fight with some empire soldiers, and Jabba's dad (who just looks like Jabba with a beard and Dreadlocks, his name is Zorba the Hutt look him up) just sits there and tanks blaster fire because his hide is so thick that he no sells it. So Hutts are tougher than they look.
I just assumed the Hutts control on crime was from generational political power, but this shlocky explanation is way funnier.
@@psykomancer4420 It's both.
But the fun part, is how the dynastic power structures got started in the first place: long long ago, when the hyperdrive was brand new, Hutts were a warrior society, conquering numerous star systems and subjugating entire species.
At one point there was a civil war, obliterating Hutt society to near apocalyptic levels, and rendering their homeworld completely uninhabitable. This led to Boonta the Hutt and their revolutionary reforms, transforming their culture into the criminal syndicates we know now. The idea being that Hutts are naturally extremely competitive with each other and need the outlet, but can't ever be allowed to reach that boiling again.
So now, being so obese that you could barely lift your hand to your mouth was seen as being cultured and refined. But despite the shift in thought, any Hutt that chose to hit the gym and stick with it, would be absolutely terrifying and shockingly fast
Try centuries, Hutts live for a long time.
It took them this long to finally explain what they meant by a "good" letter.
Short. They meant short and to the point.
That's definitely a part of it, but it's entirely possible to be short and terrible.
Like, an email that's just "'Tell me why all videogames suck" isn't a good one.
Concise
@@AnnCatsanndra Balance is important. More letters should work towards elegance in getting their point across rather than the dump truck of this email
@@AnnCatsanndraI WOULD like to see Woolie and Pat tell me why all videogames suck, though
He may have gone a little too aggressive with it but we've ALL been thinking it
If anything he's underselling the deserved aggression, imagine HOW MANY emails they've had to sift through before this one is the breaking point. And they've been doing this for yeeears
Yeah dude imagine innocuously opening up emails for questions and you get hit with some guy's diary entry for the day in screenplay format with some tangentially related question at the end to answer.
Tbf, if anyone was gonna write an email where they waffle on about about a topic for way too long in what feels like a one-sided conversation they're having with themselves before throwing a relatively simple question out into the air it would be a streamer.
Woolie's smile during Pat's rant was amazing.
This felt so good. It felt like the past year or so especially had so many emails that would weave an entire fucking tapestry just to ask a simple question and I'd have to get secondhand embarrassment while Woolie tried his best to just get to the point. The cringe I felt anytime it happened while they had a guest too, christ. Thanks Pat.
Woolie and taking the longest route possible to the point, name a more iconic duo
To be fair, just scroll down and see how long it is.
What happens is people start to get more and more unhinged with using the letter reading as a platform to tell their life story instead of giving simple context to their question. And I can't really blame how it gets that way.
I'll give a personal example, from being at Woolie's panel at TooManyGames. Basically *everyone* who asked a question, me included, gave some personal context to their question, because we've all figured out Woolie and his various co-hosts love how everyone has their own individual experience with the thing they're asking instead of inevitably asking the exact same question 500 times that the asker hasn't caught up on.
Eventually you're GOING to get people that don't check themselves on the word count when they do this, because they get so caught up in "having their moment" with getting it put out there for the world to hear.
And back to the personal example, I had literally only thought of the Soul Calibur-adjacent question since Woolie announced the line-up for the mic, and I tell you having to re-edit how to go over it in my head was *agonizing* because having to edit yourself can be really tough at first when you just want to run your mouth. I like to think I did an okay job at condensing the context into my question at the end, but lemme tell you, if you want an easy path to getting hit with Pat's lesson: Do it for a con panel instead of an infinite letter. You will check yourself REAL fast especially hearing the people in front of you having equally reasonable lengths in their explanations.
...Yes, I realize the irony of the comment being this long to describe this, but hey, that's why I added the personal context, to demonstrate it.
(Also I agree with Pat, it's hilarious that the end of that bit was an actually good question)
it's almost like the fans that write in have seen how blind to context pat and woolie are they make sure to include enough of an explanation in their letters to not be taken wrong by the chucklefucks who still get the character subplots for kanji and naoto in persona 4 wrong.
@@Shizn0id You sent the email huh
The footage of Han talking to the original Jabba wasn't in the original release of the movie, it was left on the editing room floor and they reused it with a CGI Jabba for the special edition. The scene just wasn't necessary, it's almost the exact same dialogue as the scene where he shoots Greedo.
16:57 Ok, Woolie, I'm thinking of Luca Blight holding a baby.
"I feel like: The longer your title is, the less faith you have in the story's own core appeal"
Pat might be on to something with this statement.
There's also something interesting about how the Isekai publishing via mob rule racket operates, however poorly it might run.
I feel like getting your story published as an author, would be more about who you know.
Mainly because book publishing and book sales in the US are nothing more than a money laundering racket.
Edit - 50 word limit, Woolie. Brevity is the soul of wit. Simple as.
Edit 2 - HOW IS PAT THE LEAST INSANE ONE WHEN IT COMES TO HOT DOG CONDIMENTS?!?!?!
that might be the case, but 99% of the time anyone who says money laundering, doesn't even know what it is.
mustard wife is probably a nice mitigation effect
or maybe because he has normal condiment habits, paige is the universal counterbalance
it'll be interesting when i hear the context
i wonder if pat jr will claim his throne of mustard
The worst part on isekai titles is that it's a cycle. Only long titles get picked up, only long titles are there for reference for new writers, everyone only tries long titles because they're afraid of losing engagement.
I saw this SO MUCH with webcomics and paneling trends. Do 60 episodes or get out. Get the most bombastic initial episode or readers won't subscribe. Do gigantic white spaces or you'll lose readers' attention. Get surprised when an artist fucking dies of overwork or quits due to burnout.
I'm so glad page comics stayed alive because a lot of artists just didn't care for that and kept going with their amazing works
Personally, I think letters should at least be 10 pages or more.
I think people think all the quick and easy questions have already been asked and answered so they don't bother. Now all you have left are the questions and stories requiring lengthy context or made by people who don't recognize what they're saying isn't as interesting as they think it is.
I don't wanna be mean, but being on spectrum might play a role in this.
@@alternatealt5900 yes pat and woolie being on the spectrum definitely plays a roll
17:05
When hearing "Luca holding a baby", my mind created a scenario where Luca Blight from Suikoden II was holding a child above a mother, causing me to immediately clear the image from my head because I didn't like where it was going. When presenting an example, context can be pretty important it seems 😅.
Is DMX in jail website is now a nice little tribute to the legend.
Dark Vader on the death star seeing the Aurora borealis concentrated entirely in his kitchen.
"THE TANG OF RAW"
I agree 100% with pat. When you follow an account for video game related content, the last thing I want to see is their political opinion and shitty atitude for those who's opinions differ
"This is a cool artist, I'll follow them to see more" then just get bombarded by endless scrolling through their daily life journal that I just unfollow.
21:35
While the lead up is correct - Jabba was just a chubby dude - this part I'm pretty sure is incorrect - and chat rightly calls him out for.
The original release of Star Wars (IV A New Hope) and all home video copies had the scene cut from the movie. It wasn't until the special edition re-release in like '97 that the scene was put back in, and they changed it to look like a younger, greener Jabba, rather than just "Chubby schlub".
send longer letters. got it
Best moment of last week
*year
It's so cathartic after all the genuinely trash emails
I mean, Legends says Hutts don’t start out immobile, the young ones start out lean and mean and in fact the big lazy ones are actually more muscle than they had when they were younger, at the same time a woman the size of Leia can slowly strangle a race that has cartilaginous bones so presumably Jabba could’ve just flung her around like a rag doll.. legends is a mess
People have one-sided talks in these letters.
It's like they want to be the next Tim Buckley or something
"Man I bet Pat's gonna calmly ask whoever wrote this hyperlong letter to next time send something a little bit- oh my god"
they need the strong bad second paragraph email filter
Pat and Woolie just hate the fans that stayed lol
There's too many characters named Luka. I was right there with Pat going through a handful in my head before going "oh does he mean Bayonetta?"
The explanation of grabbing attention with long and weird light novel titles on whatever site they’re on makes sense, but then there’s weird outliers. So Kazuma Kamachi is the creator of A Certain Magical Index, and is one of the best selling authors in Japan and probably the world. Index’s name? Pretty normal. Another series of his, Heavy Object. Pretty normal… and then we have more recent titles like
“The Weakness of Beatrice the Level Cap Holy Swordswoman That Made Being the Strongest Even More Trouble - His Name? Boo Boo”. Kamachi why are you doing this, there is no discernible reason to name it like this, I don’t understand!
"His Name: Boo Boo" would go hard
The only explanation I can think of is it's part of the joke
David Finchers director debut was Alien 3 and it was so bad that he crawled into a hole for three years afterwards
Shut up
I wrote in a kinda shitty letter a while back but i think I got in just through the benefits of having it be a Short And Consise Story. Brevity works wonders people, c'mon now
13:45 Well, that's how the Japanese government decided to classify fighting games, and I think esports in general :)
This letter is really the definition of what us Spanish speakers know as "mucho texto".
I feel Pat's pain because I go to the same deli every Tuesday and they were closed last week due to delayed deliveries.
Pat should dice a small piece of cheese into 100 tiny pieces
HE FINALLY SAID IT THANK GOD
I highly respect Disco but I also don't want it to be a trend. Western RPGs already spent 3 generations removing combat, mechanics, & player agency. We are already in an industry that treats RPGs as dailogue simulators.
Baldur's Gate 3 is so refreshing because both its writing & mechanics are deep.
I feel like every big release that does something new and interesting gets a wave morons saying "should every game emulate the new hotness?" and the answer is always "no, I don't want every game to turn into the same game"
@@zaneseibert that's true. The audience does reinforce this sometimes especially when advertising lied to get them in the door. I love Brutal Legend I understand why a lot of people went in with false expectations.
You want a diverse marketplace. Mint chocolate is great, but that doesn't mean i want all chocolate in the stor to be Mint Flavored.
Reddit moment
I know I'm late to the party but when they mentioned "steamies" I looked them up and those are just hotdogs that are either boiled or steamed and not grilled...which I didn't think necessitated a whole new name.
You don't see people in Michigan calling a coney dog (best made with Koegel's brand skinless hotdogs) a "Steamie Coney" just because of how it was cooked, or a hotdog boiled in a pot on the kitchen stove a "Boilie" because that would be crazy.
I think Montreal just wanted to feel special about doing a honestly common thing to do...
as an ADHD rambler this is so goddamn relatable
Right I feel so bad for them. The secondhand embarrassment. I'm sure they meant well. Letter is indeed too long but communication is hard.
Ok. Avocado, mayo, tomato. Best hotdog
how dare you.
Dude hearing Woolie read out what was basically a damn synopsis of the game really put these emails into perspective.
if you're prefacing a question it should only need like 3 clarifying sentences before you ask it
I suppose the eponymous Super Beast is a teal deer :V
goddammit...
Glad someone finally said it
11:50 100%; I used to love a Warhammer channel, but out of the blue, a rant about liberals and vaccines ambush.
This sounds like a heck of a trip
Oh, that's somewhat common; they're far-righters who don't get that the Imperium is a parody of murderous regimes and are not the good guys, and that say, Commissars look like your average Gestapo/SS officer for a reason.
Funny thing about part of Woolie's example long-as-fuck title including Is It Wrong To Pick Up Girls In A Dungeon, that is not an Isekai. It's just a regular fantasy world with one of those stupidly long titles. But, the fantasy world does have quantifiable RPG stats in it, but that's just how real life is for them and it's not actually some video game and people just don't question how they're able to quantify their own stats.
I haven't actually watched the show, for the record, I've only played the recent dungeon crawler game that's on Switch (and PS4/5 and Steam), and it does a decent job catching you up on basic concepts without needing the show (The most I've seen of the show itself is the one meme gif of the two MC's doing that toothbrush dance.)
Unlike, say, the Fairy Tail game starting like several seasons in but having zero subtitle to tell anyone this is for fans and not meant to be a starting point. Yeah, I'm a little salty I almost got suckered by that game. ...That sure tangented.
*Boaty McBoatface Can’t Relate To Other Aquatic Craft So Guess It’s Time To Commit Petty Larceny For A High School Guidance Counselor Hopefully Before The IRS Realizes The Truth About Dad’s New Hobby Over Summer Break With Mayonnaise-sama!*
_Working Title_
15:32
Man, Pat's rage is real, and I'm RIGHT THERE WITH HIM.
Short-form Isekai title: "Monster Rancher"
They were right when they said we should never meet our heroes.
There's a European dude that sells hotdogs from a cart on White Rock peir. His name is Dom or Don.
there will be a moment where they would just start using emojis in the titles or write them in windings font, i see that happening in the next 5 years
It is wild how Pat and Woolie will quintuple down on being wrong about Chrono Cross.
I do hope from now on they'd just straight up skip meandering 2000 word essays.
Just look at the scroll bar and the top of the letter. Too long with no summary at the beginning? Bye.
Woolie would love a Chicago Dog
How long is a paragraph though. If you are a bad writer you'll just do everything in one giant blob on the page
There's no way human jabba made it to the theater release there would be so many people complaining about it knowing the starwars wars
The chrono cross battle theme came from chrono trigger
Ironically this video is too long for the title. They don't get to the point of the title of the video "Your Letter Is Too Long" til 3/5ths of the way through
it's true, i didn't make it that far
Am I the only one that reads video titles instead of looking at thumbnails?
Gotta admit. I sent a kind of long letter a while back, dunno if it ever even went through since I mostly catch CSB through these cuts, but I remember that it was a _long_ letter about what was functionally my personal understanding of mind's eye, mind's ear, that sort of thing after Pat mentioned not being able to replicate other peoples' voices mentally.
Feeling a bit self conscious. When I was writing that I wanted to be as clear as possible and did a lot of overexplaining and reiteration because I felt an odd sort of parasocial kinship with Woolie after the whole 'growing up when we had differences we'd explain where we were coming from and get past it, what do you mean explaining myself comes off as making excuses? people think that way?' thing and I suppose thought being as clear as possible meant being exhaustive in detail.
I forget sometimes that tiring people with incessant dialogue is sometimes worse for clarity, not better. Explanation, not excuse. Will learn from that mistake.
For whatever it's worth I read the first sentence and the last section of your comment
@@stevsux4442 ...No offense to OP here at all, but literally same.
he did not learn from that mistake
@@stevsux4442 It's not even that long though, c'mon. People leave full on novels in comment sections while this guy's just trying to explain his point in really basic terms. It's the length of two and a half tweets. Probably feels even more self conscious leaving that comment now when the whole thread is nothing but this
@@Trynt33 you read too many long comments if you think this is "really basic terms." if you wanna make your points shorter and more concise start by making that declaration shorter and more concise
“A small percentage of our fans are autistic.”
People really out here sending essays huh.
But how do we feel about cutting the hot dog in half and treating it like a sandwich? Five Guys does that and its pretty good
Is it 20 bucks a dog too?
Raw onions on hotdogs is Woolie's cereal and milk eaten separately.
Raw onions are fine if it's a chili dog
Woolie is looking good
Cheese on a glizzy is wild
hot dog*
Overcomplicating isekai there. It means otherworld, that's it, if people go from one world to a different world it's an isekai.
Multiverses are different versions, not different worlds.
not exactly, it means "reincarnated in another world" or "becoming another person in another world", if that wasnt the case then most anime would be isekai, inuyasha counts as an isekai? digimon?
@@MagnusPrimeZ yes, they are absolutely isekai.
@@MagnusPrimeZ inuyasha is time travel.
"that explains why those stupid long titles became a trendy thing"
that just like saying "so thats why the trendy thing is trending, its a trend!😮"
and being legit surprised.
You video about letters is too long.
Funny that he brings up Scrubquotes, because politcal shit is exactly why I stopped following that account. Like, for fuck's sake
I just want my gimmick accounts to STAY ON THE GIMMICK
yeah but the politics on scrubquotes is the kind he aligns with so its ok
I really wish Woolie would stop assuming everybody listening has heard and remembers every podcast, especially when he gets irritated at someone for not getting the bit... I mean sure, that applies to me, but assuming that for everyone is pretty snobbish.
At the same time, needing to repeat yourself every episode can be frustrating, so I kind of get it.
It's a catch 22 with him since he's also used to dealing with the super freaks that have actually listened to every podcast going back to the SBFP era. It's not easy as someone in the public spotlight. That and it'd get really tedious to repeat after the fourth or fifth time (Remember when he made Pat hate Sayonara Wild Hearts within the podcast of it getting brought up)
There’s something special about Pat putting ketchup and cheese on a hotdog but saying raw onions are for psychos. Just, Jesus Christ.
But somehow it's normal to put cheese IN a hot dog
dont forget his insane hate for mayo
Is Pat Jewish?
worse. he's French. but French-Canadian, so not quite as bad, but still, ya know. French.
Like.