This has happened to America already for over two centuries. "The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.” John Maxwell
As a child of an Army family, I experienced different cultures and ethnicities as wonderful and exciting. When I returned to the US at age 11, the culture shock was horrific. The racism exhibited by white teens and adults was appalling. It shaped my political beliefs that all people should, in fact, be treated with equity. My politics are driven by principles and virtues; honesty, integrity, kindness, justice, generosity, and more. We can learn so much from others.
I agree 100%. I too lived overseas, (until age 9), and its effect on me was much the same as you described. I love diversity and I don't make time for those who are not grateful to experience persons of all cultures, races, religions, orientations, etc. As an adult, I moved to NYC, and later I moved to Los Angeles. I have to have everyone in my life; it's really the only good way to live.
Americans' membership in houses of worship continued to decline last year, dropping below 50% for the first time in Gallup's eight-decade trend. In 2020, 47% of Americans said they belonged to a church, synagogue or mosque, down from 50% in 2018 and 70% in 1999. I am looking forward to the new majority!
@@taylorkudlow2559 Gallup finds a parallel increase in the percentages of non-theists. Moreover, it is wrong to assume that everyone who goes to church is also a believer. Go to "The Clergy Project", there you can find information.
"When you are excluding people from the population count, you're also excluding them from power." -- I'd never made that connection. Very enlightening.
@@peterbills4129 if they’re able to behave and have a discussion like an adult, they aren’t excluded. Children aren’t given a spot at the table. All mature adults are welcome, however.
@@JM1993951 "All mature adults are welcome, however." Was the Hunter Biden laptop story censored ahead of the 2020 Prez election? Who were the children and adults then?
@@peterbills4129 You want the reason? Because I think this is the single biggest issue animating American politics today, and this guy seems level-headed and reasonable about it.
Attn Susan L: I was taught that same lesson in grade school. But in each school all the pupils looked alike racially so it meant very little in real life.
Same. I was taught the same thing and I was the minority growing up in an all white society. I wasn't able to fully understand why everyone seemed to hate me. I was made to feel like I was suppose to feel ashamed of my skin color. I wanted to know why I should be ashamed. These white christians told me that my ancestors had done something so sinful that god turned their descendents into Asians. See the racism and hate there? I hated god for many decades until I went to AA and found a different God that let me know that God doesn't cause racism. People do. We are all God's children. He loves all of us and doesn't favor one race above another. It took me a long time to find out that racism came about during the colonization period. At that time, Europe were a super power so the French, English, American white guys who were importing Blacks into slavery made it "okay" by dividing people up because of race and trying to justify their superiority by bringing people of color down. And no, I don't hate white people. I think it's a damn shame that they would hate people based on the color of the skin. That's why Trump was popular in my area. The real racist pos's sure came out to vote. Shocking when you find out that your own neighbors that you've known for decades, and the class that you graduated with, were never my friends to begin with. They took glee in running to the polling places to vote for Trump and thought for sure he would win. Major depression in my neighborhood that Trump lost the election. Guess they never cared that for 4 years straight, I had to constantly fight racist bigots and had to keep on defending myself. Every day for 4 years waking up with ptsd wondering what crap he texted in the wee hours of the morning that I had to make sure I wasn't going to get attacked over some old man's bigoted rhetoric. So the Trump years represented an existential crisis for me and for my family even though we are born here.
I've spent 28 of the past 42 years on Maui. There has always been a quiet tension here between certain ethnic group. In the eighties, largely native Hawaiians were very welcoming. As the mix has diluted, we have seen the rise of ethnic tensions between most of the remaining majority ethnicities. In the nineties, Korean, Mexican, Filipino, and Vietnamese diaspora seemed to become more isolated, with gangs forming in many of them. This has manifested into some nationalist sentiment, which forms a resentment both ethnically and economically, toward an increasingly wealthy white population. I think most of us progressives feel that pain. The average citizen sees beach and trail access being taken away by these wealthy entities, and pay the price of their financial tolerance with everything we buy. We pay up to three times more for groceries than the mainland. A direct consequence of the changing demographic. And so, I see an up tick in ethnic tensions that is aimed at both conservative and liberal wealthy whites, who are literally buying up the islands, and making it impossible to survive here on a middle-class income. Tensions between all ethnic groups are higher. Economic pressures for the middle class have never been higher. And there is an underlying tension that I have never felt. In short, Hawaii is a pin hole snapshot of a greater America.
Why u think different ethnicities never stay together ? U think whites are living now along blacks in South Africa ? Yugoslavo literally broke up. How many more disasters need to pass before u guys get some people don’t like each other
Democrats usually get more votes, but because of the Senate, Electoral College, and partisan gerrymandering, it makes it to where the GOP can often win.
There has only been one Republican President to win the popular vote since 1988. The Electoral College has not been a benefit to Democracy. History has proven that to be a FACT.
To add to this I believe we need to take the spiritual advisory board out of the White House, and religion out of government, no more praying on the senate floor, without including prayers from every religion, and take that in God we trust off the money. We need to go back to the Constitution and have a total separation of church and state and then we need to tax these large churches. Because that's Americans are going to have a battle against the minority of the Christians and then wanting a Christian nationalist country, we have to battle against that if we want to have an America🙏💙✌️
The sect of Christians that perpetually chooses Barabbas over Jesus will never sow seeds of peace, only plant demon seeds to raise their flowers of fire.
Coexistence is possible when we emphasize what we have in common. Because we all have so much in common as human beings. As an American with a Russian father and a Japanese mother this seems so obvious to me.
Tell that to Yugoslavia or South Africa. Even by voting we have nothing in common. Blacks vote on way and whites another and that will increase. These polcies will break the nation. Idk why with so many examples in history u guys still don’t get some groups just don’t like each other
I'd argue that uncertainty is not what drives fear on the individual level but rather a belief in the certainty that their life will be worse. If you gather a roomful of people in the majority and ask if they'd change places with the minority none will say yes. That's a demonstration of a deeply held belief that being the minority is not favorable. The only uncertainty is the degree.
United states of America for Americans period. There are ways to do it legally. Without that this Country would not be the same. I have legal customs to thank for my father becoming a citizen and me being the first born in the states and I love it here. I will die for this country and my family to be free. Left or right means nothing when we still face foreign adversaries and cannot keep peace
The last census did not make any projection of when the US is likely to reach that milestone. But we can draw our own conclusion from looking at the 2000, 2010 and 2020 census, and for me I think the US will become minority-majority before 2040. Why? 2000 census white non-Hispanic 69.1% 2010 census white non-Hispanic 63.7%' 2020 census white non-Hispanic 57.8%' a 5.4 percentage point drop between 2000 and 2010 a 5.9 percentage point drop between 2010 and 2020. Of course, over 5 percentage points drop can't continue forever and some will argue that population growth is exponential, not linear, but 57.8% is just 7.8 percentage points from 50%,. And 1 person fewer than 50% = minority status, and if took just 10 years to drop by almost 6% points, it certainly won't take forever to drop by 7.8 percentage points. Furthermore, if we take into consideration that the census claimed that it has undercounted the minority population in the last census, you can see why I believe that the US is likely to become a minority-majority nation before 2040, perhaps around 2037. I may also add that the 2030 census might include a MENA (Middle eastern and North African) category, which is about 1-2% of the US population, as advocate such as Maya Berry, the director of the American Arab Institute, was disappointed by the census decision, not include it in the 2020 census. According to AP news the census said last month that they are examining changes that would include a MENA category by 2030. Presently, Middle Easterners and North Africans are included in the white non-Hispanic category.
The subject of harmony vs conflict often arises in our discussion groups at work. Through anecdotal experiences we have concluded that conflict has been the beacon to carry us into the future. Regardless of how harmoniously we want to exist conflicts will arise. Whether it’s the noisy neighbour or the idiot driver few can resist the temptation to castigate the offender. Compromise and reconciliation work until the next conflict occurs.
How many more times history needs to prove some ethnicities just don’t like living together ? Are whites living along blacks in South Africa now And mixing ? They aren’t
Political solutions won't inspire people to love their neighbor as themselves because politics is 100% about MATERIAL power, so we must elect people who are exceptionally moral and idealistic, and motivated out of duty, honor, and truth. When people are inspired, they will support great political causes.
We're experiencing a demographic shift in Northern Ireland, though this idea of demographics is very contrived. We're the same people with differing ideas of who we are. Religion has been a defining attribute for centuries, but is more of a pointer than a motivator. The '21 census results, due to come out this month or next month, are likely to show a Catholic majority for the first time. This influences politics and support for Irish unification. The mostly Protestant unionist faction (who support remaining in the UK) fear this change and always have done. For the past 3-4 years, the Northern Ireland (political) Assembly has been balanced at 40 members from each designation with a few on the unaligned middle. This is the tipping point, and is why unionists have supported Brexit, opposed the Good Friday Agreement and is ultimately why they suppressed the Catholic section of society to begin with. Brexit, unionists hoped, would drive a stake through the Good Friday Agreement - which upheld the open border with the rest of Ireland - and would effectively build a wall from Derry in the north-west to Warrenpoint in the south-east. That didn't woik, but anyway... Now, with a more secure Catholic majority, there is a fair chance that Sinn Féin will be returned as the largest party and thus to the position of First Minister. Unionists hate this and have said they will pull out of the mandatory power-sharing government if this is the case. But we're all the same people. Next stop Dublin, where Sinn Féin are also on course to be the next government. Which also puts the sh1ts right up them.
I agree with much of what you posted but it’s not credible to say “we are all the same people” when a substantial proportion of the population in NI are British both in terms of identity and nationality, while a substantial proportion of the population are Irish in terms of identity and nationality and reject all forms of British or ‘Ulster British’ identity for themselves. That’s a very major difference.
@@DA-og4px That's down to historical view on things. Much, much further back than that we're the same people. Have you looked at Daniel O'Donnell and Jeffrey Donaldson? They could be brothers, but they're not. They look exactly the same, their names mean pretty much the same thing, but their "historical lineages" are in different countries - up until a point. All Celtic. All Gael. The names of other prominent unionists - McCausland, McAllister, etc - are anglicisations of Gaelic names. Likewise many who call themselves Irish have English namse, whether in origin or historical translation. We're not exactly two different peoples. Of course, that doesn't mean we have to agree on everything. That's never gonna happen. Identity is how people see themselves. I'm going beyond that like , for example - and this is a bit geeky - Romulans and Vulcans in Star Trek.
@@Al_Ellisande It’s not only historical, it’s the here and now. One of the major blindspots of Irish republicanism is this belief that Ulster/NI unionists are just confused Irish people. They are British (and of course some also have an Irish identity among other layers of identity) and we should both acknowledge and respect that. The island of Ireland is very diverse now so talking about Gaelic lineages doesn’t hold the same importance for a lot of people, I suspect. If nationalists and unionists were part of the same nation the deep divisions and conflict would have ended by now. They are not.
@@DA-og4px That's a fair point on blindspots, but I just need to clarify there that I specifically did not say Irish and am not saying they are confused Irish people. At all. If that's what you take from what I'm saying then I apologise but I assure you that's not what I meant. As for "historical", I'm not saying it's in the past. I'm saying there are deep rooted differences there despite commonalities that may have come before. This goes back a long way. Historical. Back to "blindspots", I think you're right on republicanism in that some seem to think they have all the answers. Bringing people together is a much bigger job than that. Coming up with a shared identity is much bigger still and maybe even impossible.
@@Al_Ellisande I accept that. I was referring in general to some of the republican arguments I’ve heard regarding unionist identities but I could have been more clear about that. What are your thoughts on the Northern Irish identity? I noticed that in polling and also in the 2011 census there was a significant increase in the number of people who identity as Northern Irish, including some who identify as Northern Irish only. No doubt this includes some individuals who are solidly pro-Union for life and others who may be currently pro-Union but could be persuaded to vote in favour of Irish unification in a future referendum under certain circumstances.
There was an SF show about an agent who comes back to the present to protect a (black) future leader. One of his memories from the future was facing a crowd chanting Blanco blanco blanco, since he's white.
Interesting that he presents learning a common language as a positive thing and you turn it around as a negative. I personally think we should all learn and be able to communicate in one-or maybe even more than one-language. I am NOT saying we should all ONLY speak one language. Being multilingual is a wonderful thing because you can COMMUNICATE with all different types of people,but I feel a common language (or multiple) is only beneficial so we can communicate with each other.
Check out - Chechnya and Dagestan - history literature, to get some further information on nation development. Access to the sea matters today over here.
@@Damacles9, exactly. Racism is fear based. To make an analogy, people say they HATE math or science or whatever school subject when it really comes down to not understanding.
I agree. However, far fewer people would listen for an hour. I would have 4 different 15-20 minute programs focused on the different characteristics that contribute to this divisiveness AND how to combat divisiveness/build unity. Spread the segments over 4 - 5 days or longer, in addition to his other content. We MUST identify how we can bring this country more closely together--and decrease hate/violence/divisiveness! We are each unique, yet we also share much!
I wish you’d asked him what arguments Europeans could make, where the indigenous identified people are large majorities that don’t have immigrant stories.
I do not believe that European countries are as purely indigenous as you perceive. They have experienced immigration and intermarriage just as we have.
For instance, I think i'm right that the vast majority of white people in the UK have indigenous dna. That's not to say that there isnt a significant % of other european heritage mixed in. The binary that nationalists wave about is those who have indigenous (and sometimes majority indigenous) dna v those who dont have any.
Justin has been doing the podcast circuit and I thought this interview was good. I hope David has on more guests that don’t seem to have the reflexive ideological tilt built in.
Well... if the majority is as properous as they seem then they should continue to be the majority and thrive. The fact that they are declining is a sign that they are not. In the game of life, winner takes all, no?
The country would definitely be better, if we followed the Constitution to the 'T.' The Constitution is not perfect. But it's pretty good at balancing everyone's beliefs.
Thumbs up, great interview. I don't know who this "Justin Gest" guy is, but he needs to be pushed up in society. His take on the world seems good to me.
Interesting. I live in Vancouver BC, and so much of what the guest thinks needs to be done to progress as a society is being done here. Our schools are heavily teaching immigrant contributions to our society, interracial marriage is much more common, and interracial dating is the norm. It's going to be real hard for people like Trump to tell the kids in Vancouver to fear Muslims as terrorists who want to kill them, when two of Johnny's good friends are Muslims.
The dominant power and dictatorship of the majority is why we have to deal with institutional discrimination in democratic societies. We don't need to wait for the time when euroamericans become the minorty before we talk about the CRT.
And CRT isn't being taught in grade school, junior high or high school. CRT is taught in law school. It's only one or two classes so that lawyers know how that our judicial system is built to benefit whites and discriminate against Blacks. We need to teach our children to care about people regardless of the color of their skin.
Great interview. Insightful. But to your guest His “vocal fry” was frying my ears. Elocution or voice lessons might be something he might ponder over in the shower. This meant as a recommendation, not condemnation.
If you enjoy high taxes, high gas prices, liberties take away little by little you should move to California & New York & vote Democrat & If you enjoy low taxes, lower gas prices, more liberties not less (Strong 2 Amendment rights) Texas & Florida are wonderful choices & you should vote Republican in order to preserve these rights and benefits. Save America Movement 2022/24 Republican Cavalry help is on the way
@@dhammawiwekantaraSleepy Joe tells you the facts himself, since you're too lazy or ignorant, perhaps both to do it yourself. ruclips.net/user/shortsE8OEs-evBLQ?feature=share
This has happened to America already for over two centuries. "The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The leader adjusts the sails.” John Maxwell
I actually have a poster of that in my office at work.
That was great. Thank you for posting this quote.
The cyclist get blown into a ditch.
As a child of an Army family, I experienced different cultures and ethnicities as wonderful and exciting. When I returned to the US at age 11, the culture shock was horrific. The racism exhibited by white teens and adults was appalling. It shaped my political beliefs that all people should, in fact, be treated with equity. My politics are driven by principles and virtues; honesty, integrity, kindness, justice, generosity, and more. We can learn so much from others.
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Especially what not to be
U must hate Europe then
Also what a selfish way of thinking. What about the person that doesn’t wanna share ur love for other cultures ?
I agree 100%. I too lived overseas, (until age 9), and its effect on me was much the same as you described. I love diversity and I don't make time for those who are not grateful to experience persons of all cultures, races, religions, orientations, etc. As an adult, I moved to NYC, and later I moved to Los Angeles. I have to have everyone in my life; it's really the only good way to live.
Americans' membership in houses of worship continued to decline last year, dropping below 50% for the first time in Gallup's eight-decade trend.
In 2020, 47% of Americans said they belonged to a church, synagogue or mosque, down from 50% in 2018 and 70% in 1999.
I am looking forward to the new majority!
Just because people don't go to church, doesn't mean they don't believe in a higher power.
I'm currently working on the 10 step process of making "Cocolition Church of Flavanols" a religion it will be the greater than that Scientology BS.
I'm praying for your soul. jk
@@taylorkudlow2559 true, there is a huge upswing in Paganism, in all Its paths. Pagans belong to no "house of worship" other than the outdoors
@@taylorkudlow2559 Gallup finds a parallel increase in the percentages of non-theists.
Moreover, it is wrong to assume that everyone who goes to church is also a believer. Go to "The Clergy Project", there you can find information.
I enjoy David's guest interviews; high quality content.
Agreed, and this guy is incredibly well spoken.
"When you are excluding people from the population count, you're also excluding them from power." -- I'd never made that connection. Very enlightening.
What happens when people are excluded from the discussion and censored?
@@peterbills4129 if they’re able to behave and have a discussion like an adult, they aren’t excluded. Children aren’t given a spot at the table. All mature adults are welcome, however.
@@peterbills4129 Try saying 'fuck' in church and see if you get censored, shut down and kicked out. Censorship has always been with us.
@@JM1993951 "All mature adults are welcome, however."
Was the Hunter Biden laptop story censored ahead of the 2020 Prez election?
Who were the children and adults then?
@@Artman1 "All mature adults are welcome, however."
Trans females like Lia Thomas are actually males competing against real females.
Great talk, I'm definitely gonna buy this guy's book.
And that's why your comment is at the top of the stack. No reason why you're gonna buy the book, just emptiness.
LMFAO!
@@peterbills4129 You want the reason? Because I think this is the single biggest issue animating American politics today, and this guy seems level-headed and reasonable about it.
When I was in grade school I was taught that America was a melting pot. The Lady Liberty welcomed all.
Attn Susan L: I was taught that same lesson in grade school. But in each school all the pupils looked alike racially so it meant very little in real life.
Same. I was taught the same thing and I was the minority growing up in an all white society. I wasn't able to fully understand why everyone seemed to hate me. I was made to feel like I was suppose to feel ashamed of my skin color. I wanted to know why I should be ashamed. These white christians told me that my ancestors had done something so sinful that god turned their descendents into Asians. See the racism and hate there? I hated god for many decades until I went to AA and found a different God that let me know that God doesn't cause racism. People do. We are all God's children. He loves all of us and doesn't favor one race above another. It took me a long time to find out that racism came about during the colonization period. At that time, Europe were a super power so the French, English, American white guys who were importing Blacks into slavery made it "okay" by dividing people up because of race and trying to justify their superiority by bringing people of color down. And no, I don't hate white people. I think it's a damn shame that they would hate people based on the color of the skin. That's why Trump was popular in my area. The real racist pos's sure came out to vote. Shocking when you find out that your own neighbors that you've known for decades, and the class that you graduated with, were never my friends to begin with. They took glee in running to the polling places to vote for Trump and thought for sure he would win. Major depression in my neighborhood that Trump lost the election. Guess they never cared that for 4 years straight, I had to constantly fight racist bigots and had to keep on defending myself. Every day for 4 years waking up with ptsd wondering what crap he texted in the wee hours of the morning that I had to make sure I wasn't going to get attacked over some old man's bigoted rhetoric. So the Trump years represented an existential crisis for me and for my family even though we are born here.
U really believed that lie ? So when is not a melting pot. Whats the right number ? Was it a melting pot when it was 80% white or 70% white ?
@@24Wynn Thank you for being strong and never losing the goodness inside of you. Most Christians choose Barabbas not Jesus.
I've spent 28 of the past 42 years on Maui. There has always been a quiet tension here between certain ethnic group. In the eighties, largely native Hawaiians were very welcoming. As the mix has diluted, we have seen the rise of ethnic tensions between most of the remaining majority ethnicities. In the nineties, Korean, Mexican, Filipino, and Vietnamese diaspora seemed to become more isolated, with gangs forming in many of them. This has manifested into some nationalist sentiment, which forms a resentment both ethnically and economically, toward an increasingly wealthy white population.
I think most of us progressives feel that pain. The average citizen sees beach and trail access being taken away by these wealthy entities, and pay the price of their financial tolerance with everything we buy. We pay up to three times more for groceries than the mainland. A direct consequence of the changing demographic.
And so, I see an up tick in ethnic tensions that is aimed at both conservative and liberal wealthy whites, who are literally buying up the islands, and making it impossible to survive here on a middle-class income.
Tensions between all ethnic groups are higher. Economic pressures for the middle class have never been higher. And there is an underlying tension that I have never felt. In short, Hawaii is a pin hole snapshot of a greater America.
Why u think different ethnicities never stay together ? U think whites are living now along blacks in South Africa ? Yugoslavo literally broke up. How many more disasters need to pass before u guys get some people don’t like each other
Another reason groceries etc are more expensive than the mainland is it costs more to ship to Hawaii. Alaska also has higher prices.
Tulsi Gabbard's slimy brand comes to mind in these tensions.
Of course. Always been the case.
Democrats usually get more votes, but because of the Senate, Electoral College, and partisan gerrymandering, it makes it to where the GOP can often win.
Facts
Happens when your country is a Republic... not direct democracy.
There has only been one Republican President to win the popular vote since 1988. The Electoral College has not been a benefit to Democracy. History has proven that to be a FACT.
There are no Blue States, only Red States with Blue cities.
False.
To add to this I believe we need to take the spiritual advisory board out of the White House, and religion out of government, no more praying on the senate floor, without including prayers from every religion, and take that in God we trust off the money. We need to go back to the Constitution and have a total separation of church and state and then we need to tax these large churches. Because that's Americans are going to have a battle against the minority of the Christians and then wanting a Christian nationalist country, we have to battle against that if we want to have an America🙏💙✌️
The sect of Christians that perpetually chooses Barabbas over Jesus will never sow seeds of peace, only plant demon seeds to raise their flowers of fire.
Coexistence is possible when we emphasize what we have in common. Because we all have so much in common as human beings. As an American with a Russian father and a Japanese mother this seems so obvious to me.
...or...celebrate the differences...
Another Piet Hein Gruk:
Co-existence or no existence.
@@philrobson4287 Yes!!! Thank you for that comment. That's a great way to learn to look at it.
Tell that to Yugoslavia or South Africa. Even by voting we have nothing in common. Blacks vote on way and whites another and that will increase. These polcies will break the nation. Idk why with so many examples in history u guys still don’t get some groups just don’t like each other
@@bryanice3313 because...what we do not understand, we fear...what we fear, we hate...what we hate, we destroy
I'd argue that uncertainty is not what drives fear on the individual level but rather a belief in the certainty that their life will be worse. If you gather a roomful of people in the majority and ask if they'd change places with the minority none will say yes. That's a demonstration of a deeply held belief that being the minority is not favorable. The only uncertainty is the degree.
Food for thought. (Wiseguy, eh?! Lol)
Really enlightening interview! Fascinating perspective from Gest.
Thank you David for switching up the narrative, great topic, this is DEEP.
United states of America for Americans period. There are ways to do it legally. Without that this Country would not be the same. I have legal customs to thank for my father becoming a citizen and me being the first born in the states and I love it here. I will die for this country and my family to be free. Left or right means nothing when we still face foreign adversaries and cannot keep peace
The real question is, what happens when the majority do nothing and see it coming?
It’s already getting bad. Some many nations broke up bc of this
The last census did not make any projection of when the US is likely to reach that milestone.
But we can draw our own conclusion from looking at the 2000, 2010 and 2020 census, and for me I think the US will become minority-majority before 2040. Why?
2000 census white non-Hispanic 69.1%
2010 census white non-Hispanic 63.7%'
2020 census white non-Hispanic 57.8%'
a 5.4 percentage point drop between 2000 and 2010
a 5.9 percentage point drop between 2010 and 2020.
Of course, over 5 percentage points drop can't continue forever and some will argue that population growth is exponential, not linear, but 57.8% is just 7.8 percentage points from 50%,. And 1 person fewer than 50% = minority status, and if took just 10 years to drop by almost 6% points, it certainly won't take forever to drop by 7.8 percentage points.
Furthermore, if we take into consideration that the census claimed that it has undercounted the minority population in the last census, you can see why I believe that the US is likely to become a minority-majority nation before 2040, perhaps around 2037.
I may also add that the 2030 census might include a MENA (Middle eastern and North African) category, which is about 1-2% of the US population, as advocate such as Maya Berry, the director of the American Arab Institute, was disappointed by the census decision, not include it in the 2020 census. According to AP news the census said last month that they are examining changes that would include a MENA category by 2030.
Presently, Middle Easterners and North Africans are included in the white non-Hispanic category.
The subject of harmony vs conflict often arises in our discussion groups at work. Through anecdotal experiences we have concluded that conflict has been the beacon to carry us into the future. Regardless of how harmoniously we want to exist conflicts will arise. Whether it’s the noisy neighbour or the idiot driver few can resist the temptation to castigate the offender. Compromise and reconciliation work until the next conflict occurs.
How many more times history needs to prove some ethnicities just don’t like living together ? Are whites living along blacks in South Africa now And mixing ? They aren’t
@@bryanice3313 Then move to South Africa. The USA is an experiment in humanity. Fear isn't meant to be a driving force here.
At first glance, I thought David was interviewing Brian Tyler Cohen. 😏
LOVED this guest! Amazingly insightful guy. He's someone who should be running for office.
Political solutions won't inspire people to love their neighbor as themselves because politics is 100% about MATERIAL power, so we must elect people who are exceptionally moral and idealistic, and motivated out of duty, honor, and truth. When people are inspired, they will support great political causes.
We're experiencing a demographic shift in Northern Ireland, though this idea of demographics is very contrived. We're the same people with differing ideas of who we are. Religion has been a defining attribute for centuries, but is more of a pointer than a motivator.
The '21 census results, due to come out this month or next month, are likely to show a Catholic majority for the first time. This influences politics and support for Irish unification.
The mostly Protestant unionist faction (who support remaining in the UK) fear this change and always have done. For the past 3-4 years, the Northern Ireland (political) Assembly has been balanced at 40 members from each designation with a few on the unaligned middle. This is the tipping point, and is why unionists have supported Brexit, opposed the Good Friday Agreement and is ultimately why they suppressed the Catholic section of society to begin with. Brexit, unionists hoped, would drive a stake through the Good Friday Agreement - which upheld the open border with the rest of Ireland - and would effectively build a wall from Derry in the north-west to Warrenpoint in the south-east. That didn't woik, but anyway...
Now, with a more secure Catholic majority, there is a fair chance that Sinn Féin will be returned as the largest party and thus to the position of First Minister. Unionists hate this and have said they will pull out of the mandatory power-sharing government if this is the case.
But we're all the same people. Next stop Dublin, where Sinn Féin are also on course to be the next government. Which also puts the sh1ts right up them.
I agree with much of what you posted but it’s not credible to say “we are all the same people” when a substantial proportion of the population in NI are British both in terms of identity and nationality, while a substantial proportion of the population are Irish in terms of identity and nationality and reject all forms of British or ‘Ulster British’ identity for themselves. That’s a very major difference.
@@DA-og4px That's down to historical view on things. Much, much further back than that we're the same people. Have you looked at Daniel O'Donnell and Jeffrey Donaldson? They could be brothers, but they're not. They look exactly the same, their names mean pretty much the same thing, but their "historical lineages" are in different countries - up until a point. All Celtic. All Gael.
The names of other prominent unionists - McCausland, McAllister, etc - are anglicisations of Gaelic names. Likewise many who call themselves Irish have English namse, whether in origin or historical translation. We're not exactly two different peoples. Of course, that doesn't mean we have to agree on everything. That's never gonna happen.
Identity is how people see themselves. I'm going beyond that like , for example - and this is a bit geeky - Romulans and Vulcans in Star Trek.
@@Al_Ellisande It’s not only historical, it’s the here and now. One of the major blindspots of Irish republicanism is this belief that Ulster/NI unionists are just confused Irish people. They are British (and of course some also have an Irish identity among other layers of identity) and we should both acknowledge and respect that. The island of Ireland is very diverse now so talking about Gaelic lineages doesn’t hold the same importance for a lot of people, I suspect. If nationalists and unionists were part of the same nation the deep divisions and conflict would have ended by now. They are not.
@@DA-og4px That's a fair point on blindspots, but I just need to clarify there that I specifically did not say Irish and am not saying they are confused Irish people. At all.
If that's what you take from what I'm saying then I apologise but I assure you that's not what I meant.
As for "historical", I'm not saying it's in the past. I'm saying there are deep rooted differences there despite commonalities that may have come before. This goes back a long way. Historical.
Back to "blindspots", I think you're right on republicanism in that some seem to think they have all the answers. Bringing people together is a much bigger job than that. Coming up with a shared identity is much bigger still and maybe even impossible.
@@Al_Ellisande I accept that. I was referring in general to some of the republican arguments I’ve heard regarding unionist identities but I could have been more clear about that. What are your thoughts on the Northern Irish identity? I noticed that in polling and also in the 2011 census there was a significant increase in the number of people who identity as Northern Irish, including some who identify as Northern Irish only. No doubt this includes some individuals who are solidly pro-Union for life and others who may be currently pro-Union but could be persuaded to vote in favour of Irish unification in a future referendum under certain circumstances.
David- love your show. Just so interesting revealing!
I can’t say how great this interview is and the insightful research from Mr. Gest.
Yes, been missing stuff like this.
It's guilt ! If they weren't so evil to people and treated them right there would be no need for fear.
There was an SF show about an agent who comes back to the present to protect a (black) future leader. One of his memories from the future was facing a crowd chanting Blanco blanco blanco, since he's white.
In Hawaii , There seems to be a very under the radar move by folks who identify as Hawaiian toward trump republicans . And tulsi folks toward Putin .
Excellent interview full of useful knowledge. Thank you, more please.
Good stuff
Diversity is our strength!
It depends on who the growing minorities are. If they're more socially conservative and media illiterate, then I certainly don't want them.
the history of Texas is the perfect example what will happen
*OnLy a DeMonic Person, wouLd Go through LIFE, with a DeMonic NAME!!!*
How is Texas a good example?
Interesting that he presents learning a common language as a positive thing and you turn it around as a negative. I personally think we should all learn and be able to communicate in one-or maybe even more than one-language.
I am NOT saying we should all ONLY speak one language. Being multilingual is a wonderful thing because you can COMMUNICATE with all different types of people,but I feel a common language (or multiple) is only beneficial so we can communicate with each other.
He looks so much like Brian Tyler i thought you had him on as a guest.
Who here thought Hawaii was ever a mess? That's a strange statement to say.
Another excellent conversation! Thank you again. We do need to come up with a positive vision for the country, together.
I have never heard so many great big words in an interview before
Learning is a lifelong endeavor, to give up is to die inside.
logically yes, but my heart feels like it is an impractical proposition.
As far as the youth ….we’re not that much ahead of Spain before their fall.
Spain is a very homogenous coutnryb
Check out - Chechnya and Dagestan - history literature, to get some further information on nation development. Access to the sea matters today over here.
I've heard it said and I believe it, that the answer to every "Why is this bad thing happening?" question is "Racism."
More specifically, fear.
@@Damacles9, exactly. Racism is fear based. To make an analogy, people say they HATE math or science or whatever school subject when it really comes down to not understanding.
Hmmm, why is this hurricane happening?
What if I hate hurricanes?
Justin really has his finger on the pulse. 17 min? He deserves at least an hour.
I agree. However, far fewer people would listen for an hour. I would have 4 different 15-20 minute programs focused on the different characteristics that contribute to this divisiveness AND how to combat divisiveness/build unity. Spread the segments over 4 - 5 days or longer, in addition to his other content. We MUST identify how we can bring this country more closely together--and decrease hate/violence/divisiveness! We are each unique, yet we also share much!
Excellent interview and interesting guest. Thank you!
For a democratic filibuster, they should show the movie ideocracy.
Great segment.
I wish you’d asked him what arguments Europeans could make, where the indigenous identified people are large majorities that don’t have immigrant stories.
I do not believe that European countries are as purely indigenous as you perceive. They have experienced immigration and intermarriage just as we have.
For instance, I think i'm right that the vast majority of white people in the UK have indigenous dna. That's not to say that there isnt a significant % of other european heritage mixed in. The binary that nationalists wave about is those who have indigenous (and sometimes majority indigenous) dna v those who dont have any.
Richard Alba would disagree with this interview!!
Justin has been doing the podcast circuit and I thought this interview was good. I hope David has on more guests that don’t seem to have the reflexive ideological tilt built in.
Well... if the majority is as properous as they seem then they should continue to be the majority and thrive. The fact that they are declining is a sign that they are not. In the game of life, winner takes all, no?
Wouldn't a national program(s) bring people to a common cause for nation-building? I remember JFK and the 'peace corp' for example?
Great interview david!
The country would definitely be better, if we followed the Constitution to the 'T.'
The Constitution is not perfect. But it's pretty good at balancing everyone's beliefs.
@Whoop!
Need a date on epsiodes
What happens is when people relocate like Russians did to the Crimea,
then they become part of Russia.
Russians will relocate to Alaska,.
Join SAHA stop american hate already
Too bad we have to endure Trump presidencies when either Pakman or Gest or many many others would be a million times more suited for the job.
Thumbs up, great interview.
I don't know who this "Justin Gest" guy is, but he needs to be pushed up in society. His take on the world seems good to me.
America.
You get Sam Sedar?
Interesting. I live in Vancouver BC, and so much of what the guest thinks needs to be done to progress as a society is being done here. Our schools are heavily teaching immigrant contributions to our society, interracial marriage is much more common, and interracial dating is the norm. It's going to be real hard for people like Trump to tell the kids in Vancouver to fear Muslims as terrorists who want to kill them, when two of Johnny's good friends are Muslims.
It's called apartheid
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Great discussion. Very interesting. I wonder what was the case in Irak, after the Shiite majority took power from Saddam’s sunni minority.
Finally, Harvard experience, beyond the books
The dominant power and dictatorship of the majority is why we have to deal with institutional discrimination in democratic societies. We don't need to wait for the time when euroamericans become the minorty before we talk about the CRT.
And CRT isn't being taught in grade school, junior high or high school. CRT is taught in law school. It's only one or two classes so that lawyers know how that our judicial system is built to benefit whites and discriminate against Blacks. We need to teach our children to care about people regardless of the color of their skin.
Now work together smh
Nothing good
Great interview. Insightful. But to your guest His “vocal fry” was frying my ears. Elocution or voice lessons might be something he might ponder over in the shower. This meant as a recommendation, not condemnation.
If you enjoy high taxes, high gas prices, liberties take away little by little you should move to California & New York & vote Democrat & If you enjoy low taxes, lower gas prices, more liberties not less (Strong 2 Amendment rights) Texas & Florida are wonderful choices & you should vote Republican in order to preserve these rights and benefits.
Save America Movement 2022/24 Republican Cavalry help is on the way
Not really
@@dhammawiwekantaraSleepy Joe tells you the facts himself, since you're too lazy or ignorant, perhaps both to do it yourself. ruclips.net/user/shortsE8OEs-evBLQ?feature=share