Got a tonale speciale Montreal green... purchased and driving in Czech... no glitches until last week when a snow storm covered all the ADAS camera, but once the snow has been removed steam was working all right! Not the fastes but still all right, main issues 1) Rear camera get often occluded due to the unlucky position 2) 20" tires not so comfy with cobblestone or granite sets paving 3) In urban environment can get easily to 7.4l/100km Other that that no issues with the road sign in Europe, and price is definitely much more lower... and at least we do not have the rebadge Dodge around.
I think you missed the point. It's really all about the plug-in and the EV range as well as the reduced footprint. It's not supposed to be a cheap Stelvio, they are two different vehicles. But thank you for producing this, it was well done.
Neat addition to the Alfa Romeo family and, as always, beautiful styling. But I’ll stick with the face lifted Stelvio. The 2.0t in the Giulia/Stelvio is great and relatively efficient. The ZF8 is amazing and near dual clutch shift speeds in dynamic mode. The RWD platform is superior. I love my Giulia!
I bought an Alfa Romeo Tonale Sprint model PHEV ( the base model, not the dolled up, expensive Veloce model, which is more readily more available, as for every Sprint model Alfa imported, they imported 9 Veloces ) almost a year ago. I was the first one to buy one in Canada, and basically bought it off the truck. I paid less then MSRP, and got it less then what a Ford Escape PHEV ( which at the time had a dealer mark up of $3,500, and add ons like $3,500 for Ford's Blue Cruise ) was going for, and where a RAV4 Prime ( basically the same price without add ons ) was ( and still is ) unavailable, and a 2 year old used Prime was selling for $14,000 more then my out the door price. Other then 9 recalls ( 2 for decals that did not have metric or French on them, that I did myself, 3 for checking high voltage connections were tight, no parts needed, 1 to replace a switch, and 3 for software updates, because where I live the vehicle would not update itself ) I have had zero problems with it, everything is operating above my expectations, and I am getting better electrical range and gas mileage then stated on the Vehicle MSRP sheet. It handles great, looks much nicer then its competition ( I compared the Sprint model against the Escape and Prime, where most reviewers, etc., compare the Veloce model that they are given by the dealers against the BMW X1 or Mercedes GLA, etc. which to me is not a fair comparison, especially a PHEV to a non PVEV ). It is not perfect, just like every vehicle in certain aspects, but I love it, love driving it, glad I bought it rather then any of the half dozen or so other PHEVS I test drove, and I would buy it again. And, it fits nicely in my garage. All new vehicles have there problems, and mine did too, but the dealership I bought mine from, bent over backwards to accommodate me with the recalls, offered me a loaner while my vehicle was being serviced, and Alfa has resolved every issue with my vehicle, some well documented. I cannot say I would have gotten the same treatment from any other manufacturer. Maybe I am lucky with my vehicle, but my whole experience, from buying it through to service, driving, etc., could not have been simpler, easier, stress free, and satisfying.
The pricing is high, but because it’s a Phev, my local dealer was able to offer a $7,500 tax credit on a lease (not for a purchase). I think that’s why the pricing is similar to a Stelvio
I love the color but I don’t think I can justify this over the hornet. Especially if I’m going to have issues. I’d definitely get the Stelvio like you say. Great review
I paid $43K for my 2024 TI. Everything except moonroof. Had a hybrid system failure warnong for 2 days and then it started woeking again. Gets serviced in a few weeks. An Alfa mechanic said that a major software update is coming in June. That said, I still love it!
Before the Infiniti G37 went away, it used to have solid magnesium leather wrapped column mounted paddle shifters. They had a very solid feel, and I miss them since everyone else I've seen is using plastic paddles mounted to the steering wheel.
I live in Puerto Rico, and one cannot compare the prices of the Tonale and Stelvio. The Stelvio will run you about $20K more because it pays Taxes and the Tonale is exempt because it's a plug-in hybrid. I got me the Tonale a few weeks ago and had the same issues with the warning lights coming on and off, and the crazy speed signs recognition. Still enjoy the crap out of it and it's a joy to look at. Beautiful design/look that gets noticed. Mine is a TI in Alfa Red maxed out on options to the tune of $56k.
My wife and I have agreed that we can't really afford the Land Rover Defender for my Wrangler Rubicon 4xe replacement at the moment. So the question at hand is do we wait until we can afford it, or do I spring for a Tonale?. The problem with the Tonale is of course, if I finance or lease, the resale value is so poor that I'll never be able to unload it to get the Defender when we can afford it. Also, neither brand is known for reliability but I'd rather get stuck in a Defender than my second choice of the Tonale. There is a good 2 year lease deal on the Tonale so maybe that can work, but I WILL be stuck for the full 2 years because it will be wildly upside down until the very last day of the lease. Even worse, it seems that Alpha is plagued with reliability issues that perhaps Land Rover in its 4th year has started to work out finally. That's my dilemma.
Man Really that sucks...I was rooting for Alfa to be more reliable.. I always wanted an Alfa Romeo in the early 90s when i started driving but my uncles told me to avoid them cause they always had major issues back then years ago.. They should have tested this more before putting it out. I seriously was hoping they would be better with this stuff.
Nice review, We all know I have no interest in buying this vehicle, but I did fully watch the video, because I like to see what new models have to offer. First, Matt you are 100 percent right, the Stelvio is 100 percent worth the two grand more, they did not price the Tonale right. Second, a co worker had to rent a Dodge Hornet, he and his girlfriend hit their heads on those rear doors, why would you design rear doors like that? very bad design those rear doors, very easy to hit your head. Third, The Hornet and this Tonale have major software problems, the hornet my co worker had to rent, was very bad, display turned off at times, center screen would turn off, check engine light/warning lights, so these have a lot of issues. Lastly, Matt I know you want to mainly review cars and sport cars, and as you know I love cars, I have never owned a SUV/CUV. However, since you bring up the Toyota RAV4 Prime all the time, you should check out the new Mitsubishi Outlander Plug in Hybrid. When my elderly Mother was looking for new car, I drove the regular gasoline engine Mitsubishi Outlander and the plug in Hybrid, it is pretty dam good, Really impressed especially for the money and warranty. Mitsubishi has a really nice vehicle with the Outlander, it is better than the Rogue which it shares platform with. My Mother almost bought the Outlander earlier this year, but the "all mighty" Subaru Crosstrek was the perfect size for what she needed and easier to park/maneuver, great ride for the size. She loves the Crosstrek and I have to admit, it is nice and comfy, does so much well, I know a little slow, but not horrible, it is a great all season run around car.
Sorry to hear about your co-workers bad experience in the Hornet, seems like there's quite a few of these that are coming out half-baked. I definitely would like to review an Outlander PHEV, just haven't been able to get my hands on one yet.
Right now the Tonale qualifies for some massive rebates and discounts that the Stelvio doesn't, Picking up a Tonale Ti for the wife this week that we got over $4600 in discounts and another $8500 in total rebates on. Comparing sticker prices I agree, but that's not how the Tonale is getting purchased at the moment, so on price they are currently far below the Stelvio numbers.
Interesting, around me Stelvios have bigger discounts. Nobody has paid remotely close to sticker for a Stelvio or Giulia for years. Glad you were able to get a good deal on a Tonale though!
In Puerto Rico the hybrids are tax free. With the high taxes I saved close to $18K in taxes buying the Tonale. In a Stelvio one can pay upwards of $20K on taxes alone.
The $2K option for the wheels is cost effective because your not getting a nice set of 20" tires/wheels and tpms from the aftermarket for that unless you get some cheap a$s lookin' rims and tires.
Well you have to factor in that you're giving up already nice 19s. If you sold those and got something aftermarket, you still might not come out ahead, but I'm not sure it's that great of a deal. Most wheel upgrades like this in this segment aren't this expensive.
The 2 time click is because of American regulations, Europe dont need that, same with the headlights that must be different over there... handling best in class everyone else say..? Those are just quirks, Its an ALFA! If u owe it u know it. You like tough?
Weird Wheels sort of funky looking, ...... Beautiful green body color, Styling is Italian and really a great front fascia. Insignia is pretty on the body of the car; would have preferred those nice colors on the center of the steering wheel, and key, as well. Red calipers are snazzy. For $2000 more, I would want the Stelvio. ...... Looks like the week you were driving the Tonale you did not have time to shave. I don't think 50K to 59K is a bargain, though it is exotic looking. The quirks and glitches are noted.....the car thinks it is in Italy (funny).....seems like the car has a mind of its own and wants to go back to Italy. That is why it is having a tantrum with the noise that you have not turned off the lights. Maybe it will drive itself back there. Does the GPS in the vehicle give you directions in Italian or English?
Sad really. I am an Alfa fan since my Giulia Veloce in the 60s. Seems to me that this car is really a Fiat design with Alfa and Dodge badging. That would fit with the 1300cc engine that is probably shared with the 500 Abarth. God awful road noise too that nearly drowns your voice out. Not something I would buy.
It took 30 minutes to review a car that you don't like because perhaps you cannot understand it. Your favorite word is BUT BUT BUT..... Perhaps a Bentley matches better to your level of driving skills and life style !!
Technically the Hornet is a dressed down Tonale, the Alfa is the "original" car that Dodge then took for themselves and slightly tweaked. But regardless, I agree it's far too expensive for what it is.
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Got a tonale speciale Montreal green... purchased and driving in Czech... no glitches until last week when a snow storm covered all the ADAS camera, but once the snow has been removed steam was working all right! Not the fastes but still all right, main issues
1) Rear camera get often occluded due to the unlucky position
2) 20" tires not so comfy with cobblestone or granite sets paving
3) In urban environment can get easily to 7.4l/100km
Other that that no issues with the road sign in Europe, and price is definitely much more lower... and at least we do not have the rebadge Dodge around.
I think you missed the point. It's really all about the plug-in and the EV range as well as the reduced footprint. It's not supposed to be a cheap Stelvio, they are two different vehicles. But thank you for producing this, it was well done.
No, you gab on and miss the point of a PHEV.
I’m surprised these aren’t more popular in the USA I just did a test drive of a gorgeous blue tonale and was amazed
Neat addition to the Alfa Romeo family and, as always, beautiful styling. But I’ll stick with the face lifted Stelvio. The 2.0t in the Giulia/Stelvio is great and relatively efficient. The ZF8 is amazing and near dual clutch shift speeds in dynamic mode. The RWD platform is superior. I love my Giulia!
Couldn't agree more, and I'm glad you enjoy your Giulia!
I bought an Alfa Romeo Tonale Sprint model PHEV ( the base model, not the dolled up, expensive Veloce model, which is more readily more available, as for every Sprint model Alfa imported, they imported 9 Veloces ) almost a year ago. I was the first one to buy one in Canada, and basically bought it off the truck. I paid less then MSRP, and got it less then what a Ford Escape PHEV ( which at the time had a dealer mark up of $3,500, and add ons like $3,500 for Ford's Blue Cruise ) was going for, and where a RAV4 Prime ( basically the same price without add ons ) was ( and still is ) unavailable, and a 2 year old used Prime was selling for $14,000 more then my out the door price. Other then 9 recalls ( 2 for decals that did not have metric or French on them, that I did myself, 3 for checking high voltage connections were tight, no parts needed, 1 to replace a switch, and 3 for software updates, because where I live the vehicle would not update itself ) I have had zero problems with it, everything is operating above my expectations, and I am getting better electrical range and gas mileage then stated on the Vehicle MSRP sheet. It handles great, looks much nicer then its competition ( I compared the Sprint model against the Escape and Prime, where most reviewers, etc., compare the Veloce model that they are given by the dealers against the BMW X1 or Mercedes GLA, etc. which to me is not a fair comparison, especially a PHEV to a non PVEV ). It is not perfect, just like every vehicle in certain aspects, but I love it, love driving it, glad I bought it rather then any of the half dozen or so other PHEVS I test drove, and I would buy it again. And, it fits nicely in my garage.
All new vehicles have there problems, and mine did too, but the dealership I bought mine from, bent over backwards to accommodate me with the recalls, offered me a loaner while my vehicle was being serviced, and Alfa has resolved every issue with my vehicle, some well documented. I cannot say I would have gotten the same treatment from any other manufacturer.
Maybe I am lucky with my vehicle, but my whole experience, from buying it through to service, driving, etc., could not have been simpler, easier, stress free, and satisfying.
Love your honest and frank reviews.
I can’t lie, that’s a good looking crossover. That color helps a lot too. Great review!
Thanks!
The pricing is high, but because it’s a Phev, my local dealer was able to offer a $7,500 tax credit on a lease (not for a purchase). I think that’s why the pricing is similar to a Stelvio
Good review but enjoyed the PA fall foliage in the background more than the vehicle.
Thanks, yeah I love this time of year here!
I love the color but I don’t think I can justify this over the hornet. Especially if I’m going to have issues. I’d definitely get the Stelvio like you say. Great review
Thanks!
Why would you have issues ? Don't drink the GERMAN KOOL AID DAWG
Great review. I wish they’d offer that color on the Stelio Veloce, it’s stunning!
I hope the dealers selling these beautiful little cars have an EXTENSIVE loaner car pool to draw from
I paid $43K for my 2024 TI. Everything except moonroof. Had a hybrid system failure warnong for 2 days and then it started woeking again. Gets serviced in a few weeks. An Alfa mechanic said that a major software update is coming in June. That said, I still love it!
Before the Infiniti G37 went away, it used to have solid magnesium leather wrapped column mounted paddle shifters. They had a very solid feel, and I miss them since everyone else I've seen is using plastic paddles mounted to the steering wheel.
I live in Puerto Rico, and one cannot compare the prices of the Tonale and Stelvio. The Stelvio will run you about $20K more because it pays Taxes and the Tonale is exempt because it's a plug-in hybrid. I got me the Tonale a few weeks ago and had the same issues with the warning lights coming on and off, and the crazy speed signs recognition. Still enjoy the crap out of it and it's a joy to look at. Beautiful design/look that gets noticed. Mine is a TI in Alfa Red maxed out on options to the tune of $56k.
Great review! Sad tho that there’s so much wrong already with the car only in a week, no confidence in the long term viability of this 😢
Appreciate the honesty
It only works in Europe where the Dodge Hornet is not on sale.
Can't wait to see these things hanging out in Chrysler auto shops soon, lol. Weird rear door too.
My wife and I have agreed that we can't really afford the Land Rover Defender for my Wrangler Rubicon 4xe replacement at the moment. So the question at hand is do we wait until we can afford it, or do I spring for a Tonale?. The problem with the Tonale is of course, if I finance or lease, the resale value is so poor that I'll never be able to unload it to get the Defender when we can afford it. Also, neither brand is known for reliability but I'd rather get stuck in a Defender than my second choice of the Tonale. There is a good 2 year lease deal on the Tonale so maybe that can work, but I WILL be stuck for the full 2 years because it will be wildly upside down until the very last day of the lease. Even worse, it seems that Alpha is plagued with reliability issues that perhaps Land Rover in its 4th year has started to work out finally. That's my dilemma.
Not everyone drive like you. I have one of those cars and I love it.
Man some of that plastic interior trim looks cheap af and terrible
In the settings menu you were able to turn off the door open and lights on notification.
Man Really that sucks...I was rooting for Alfa to be more reliable.. I always wanted an Alfa Romeo in the early 90s when i started driving but my uncles told me to avoid them cause they always had major issues back then years ago.. They should have tested this more before putting it out. I seriously was hoping they would be better with this stuff.
Looks great ! But what is the mark up compared to the dodge hornet . Looks kind of big for a sub compact crossover
It's about $1,500 over a Hornet R/T.
Such a gorgeous color wasted on the Toe nail
Agreed, I'd love this color on a proper coupe, like the s650 or something.
Lmao
Nothing wrong with this car
@nathanielrudolph8771 I agree, people just TRYING to be funny and be heard, car looks awesome!
@@Natethegreat200cBuy it, drive it, then tell us there’s nothing wrong with it while you wait for it to be fixed at the dealer.
Beautiful color though
For the price, the Stelvio is a much better choice. The reliability on the Stelvio is now excellent and the only way to go.
It is cheaper with the $8k tax rebate for it being hybrid
Nice review, We all know I have no interest in buying this vehicle, but I did fully watch the video, because I like to see what new models have to offer. First, Matt you are 100 percent right, the Stelvio is 100 percent worth the two grand more, they did not price the Tonale right. Second, a co worker had to rent a Dodge Hornet, he and his girlfriend hit their heads on those rear doors, why would you design rear doors like that? very bad design those rear doors, very easy to hit your head. Third, The Hornet and this Tonale have major software problems, the hornet my co worker had to rent, was very bad, display turned off at times, center screen would turn off, check engine light/warning lights, so these have a lot of issues. Lastly, Matt I know you want to mainly review cars and sport cars, and as you know I love cars, I have never owned a SUV/CUV. However, since you bring up the Toyota RAV4 Prime all the time, you should check out the new Mitsubishi Outlander Plug in Hybrid. When my elderly Mother was looking for new car, I drove the regular gasoline engine Mitsubishi Outlander and the plug in Hybrid, it is pretty dam good, Really impressed especially for the money and warranty. Mitsubishi has a really nice vehicle with the Outlander, it is better than the Rogue which it shares platform with. My Mother almost bought the Outlander earlier this year, but the "all mighty" Subaru Crosstrek was the perfect size for what she needed and easier to park/maneuver, great ride for the size. She loves the Crosstrek and I have to admit, it is nice and comfy, does so much well, I know a little slow, but not horrible, it is a great all season run around car.
Sorry to hear about your co-workers bad experience in the Hornet, seems like there's quite a few of these that are coming out half-baked. I definitely would like to review an Outlander PHEV, just haven't been able to get my hands on one yet.
I purchased an Alfa Romeo tonale in Alfa red in England..
Right now the Tonale qualifies for some massive rebates and discounts that the Stelvio doesn't, Picking up a Tonale Ti for the wife this week that we got over $4600 in discounts and another $8500 in total rebates on. Comparing sticker prices I agree, but that's not how the Tonale is getting purchased at the moment, so on price they are currently far below the Stelvio numbers.
Interesting, around me Stelvios have bigger discounts. Nobody has paid remotely close to sticker for a Stelvio or Giulia for years. Glad you were able to get a good deal on a Tonale though!
@@MattMaranMotoring I bought my 2019 Stelvio Quadrifoglio new in 2020 for $62k... 😁😎
This car had potential in this market space. But its like you said, just not quite right based on its price.
You think this will be just as reliable as Dodge Dart from 2009? Those aren't on the road anymore 😅
Arent there rebates in USA for Hybrids ? Would make it cheaper again than the Stelvio. I have the Stelvio and love it though.
In Puerto Rico the hybrids are tax free. With the high taxes I saved close to $18K in taxes buying the Tonale. In a Stelvio one can pay upwards of $20K on taxes alone.
Only for vehicles made in the US.
The $2K option for the wheels is cost effective because your not getting a nice set of 20" tires/wheels and tpms from the aftermarket for that unless you get some cheap a$s lookin' rims and tires.
Well you have to factor in that you're giving up already nice 19s. If you sold those and got something aftermarket, you still might not come out ahead, but I'm not sure it's that great of a deal. Most wheel upgrades like this in this segment aren't this expensive.
@MattMaranMotoring you make a good point Matt but I'll add to my payment for those, they look amazing 😎
@@klasseact6663 I agree!
$7500 Fed Discount Coupon...No ?
The automatic light rant was almost like a Seinfeld bit…. What do you mean turn the light off… your supposed to turn them off!
The 2 time click is because of American regulations, Europe dont need that, same with the headlights that must be different over there... handling best in class everyone else say..? Those are just quirks, Its an ALFA! If u owe it u know it. You like tough?
Weird Wheels sort of funky looking, ...... Beautiful green body color, Styling is Italian and really a great front fascia. Insignia is pretty on the body of the car; would have preferred those nice colors on the center of the steering wheel, and key, as well. Red calipers are snazzy. For $2000 more, I would want the Stelvio. ...... Looks like the week you were driving the Tonale you did not have time to shave. I don't think 50K to 59K is a bargain, though it is exotic looking. The quirks and glitches are noted.....the car thinks it is in Italy (funny).....seems like the car has a mind of its own and wants to go back to Italy. That is why it is having a tantrum with the noise that you have not turned off the lights. Maybe it will drive itself back there. Does the GPS in the vehicle give you directions in Italian or English?
Funky wheels...??? I guess your not familiar with Alfa history🤔
Haha good one!
@@klasseact6663 Classic rotary phone dial👍
Nowhere near as good as the Stelvio as Matt rightfully concludes.
thanks
Lease it maybe buy it no way.
That color is fire...but sucks its on that kind of car that holds no value
Guess they need to tonale down some of these gremlins. Odd about the rain issues with the Hornet given that it’s an SUV lol.
The Tone Ah Lay.
The Alpha Toe Nail!
Tamale
Sad really. I am an Alfa fan since my Giulia Veloce in the 60s. Seems to me that this car is really a Fiat design with Alfa and Dodge badging. That would fit with the 1300cc engine that is probably shared with the 500 Abarth. God awful road noise too that nearly drowns your voice out. Not something I would buy.
60k? Good god and hell no. It's a glorified Dodge Hornet which isn't a high end model anyways. Yikes.
It's basically the same car as the Hornet built on the same assembly line. Not sure how or why people miss that detail.
TON-ALL-EEE
It's just a glorified Dodge Hornet , in my opinion 👌
umm...the Hornet is built in the Alfa plant...
@DarthFurball that's the reason why the Hornet doesn't qualify for the $7500 federal tax credit
It took 30 minutes to review a car that you don't like because perhaps you cannot understand it. Your favorite word is BUT BUT BUT..... Perhaps a Bentley matches better to your level of driving skills and life style !!
Sick Dodge
The toe nail is a the culmination of stellantis crap in one vehicle.
Isnt it pronounced 'Toe Nail' ?
Strunz tonale!
Owned by Chrysler Fiat. No thanks.
I’m sorry but 59k for a spruced up Dodge Hornet is ridiculous.
Technically the Hornet is a dressed down Tonale, the Alfa is the "original" car that Dodge then took for themselves and slightly tweaked. But regardless, I agree it's far too expensive for what it is.
Yeah this and the Dodge Hornet are going to be huge flops.
You talk too fast...
I can't stop calling it the Toe Nail.
That thing would be sick if it was slammed. It sitting so high is dumb. No one is going to off-road one.
Who buys these? Name one person you know who bought one of these by choice.
I loved my Giulia but this thing is down right boring
It's a disposable shitbox
Awful name for English speaking customers
boring and overpriced