Testing out the Luckfox Pico Mini B - 1.2GHz, Running Linux, the size of a stamp!
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⚡ Power Consumption
- Source: 5.10V
- MaskROM mode: 70mA
- Booting OS: 100mA peak
- Booted, Idle: 44mA (same with or without SD card)
- Booted, Idle: 175-215mA (with camera, no SD)
With the camera running the `rkapi` process makes the camera feed (with object detection) available via RTSP on the network, hence higher and sporadic current consumption.
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Chapters
00:00 - Intro
00:28 - PCB assembly
02:19 - Specifications
04:09 - My custom image outline
04:30 - Camera B module
05:20 - Firmware / image options
06:41 - Camera object detection demo
08:05 - Notes for issues flashing over USB
08:20 - Sample programs included
09:47 - Where to buy these
10:06 - How to use adb to connect
10:32 - RKNN (DNN) documentation
10:56 - Connecting via Samba (CIFS/SMB)
11:50 - Other Luckfox products
14:40 - Summary
15:54 - New FREE rulers FYI
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I love Scotty from Strange Parts. He's been a friend since 19 and I'm really pleased for you mentioning his channel. I'm sure he'll appreciate it as well.
Oh that's awesome! Yeah I really love some of his content from his Chinese trip(s), and his crossover with the Wendover team was excellent. Usually watching it on Nebula too, which is always great
Nice video thanks for showing a small demo of the camera
No worries at all!
Seeing that little thing detect people in pictures was quite startling!
Hah yeah I was impressed at how well it worked! I want to try doing realtime object recognition next, as I think it should be capable of doing so with at least 2fps or so
Old news, but interesting for sure. what's startling is how small it is, so if you reall wanna see a neat one look up the sipeed licheeRV Nano SG2002 which is basically a Milk V 256MB but in that pico mini form with wifi, screen, camera, 256ram, 3 cores, etc and then its not just detecting people, its detecting you by name, thats scary.
@@lucusdowntoYeah I've got most of these running people recognition which is what I'm really testing them for. The object detection in this demo is just what's included out of the box as it's quite lightweight, but it supports quite a few model formats and can easily run decent size pet, vehicle, face and object models.
I've got a LicheeRV Nano sitting 2m from me actually!
That looks great! might just have to grab one of these to play with!
You should! I'm currently messing with this on a daily, and enjoying it. Doco is rather good, and there is heaps of community support too
Awesome!
I'd say so haha. Cheers
Interesting, may get one to run inside an old printer as a network printer server.
Yeah I reckon it'd do that pretty easily, especially if you only need a subset of the ~19 active parallel pins!
great video, can we use Raspberry Pi camera modules with this, and a small request : Please make a video series about MPU bring up, like working with MCU's for the first time is kind of easy , I recently bought this board, but the sc3336 camera module wasnt available, so I was thinking to use it with some other cameras, and I realised that there are many things one should know , while working on a Cortex-A MPU like:
1. Cortex - A MPU memory map
2. Key components and there uses
3. How to read the datasheet
4. How to "Boot / Bring-up the Hardware for the first time"
5. How does the Boot process work and what is a kernel, what are drivers , basically different layers and protocols etc.
6. For this case how can I attach a new camera module to this, or how to develop our own driver for a new peripheral.
7. Networking and Best Practices for security.
Please consider, as I didnt find a resource which has a collection of all these steps, like a playlist, doing this for 5-10 different boards will definitely give you next level of reach , as there are a lot of people struggling for this kind of content, also If you know where can I find something like this please let me know.
Again great content, thanks for sharing content like this on yt 🔥🙏💯
Hey mate that's something I kind of have one the cards for 'one day', but it's a bit challenging as the RK3566 does most of that differently to the RK1106, which is again different of course from the CV1800B, which is different to the RP2040, and on and on. I just have to work out the format to accommodate that, and then deal with how many things I'm going to get wrong and all the comments haha.
On the camera side though, you can only use the Luckfox camera module with these. It is the same MIPI CSI interface and I2C signal lines, however, their pin order is unfortunately very different. I have been working on an adapter module, but not had time to finish and/or order it yet. Keep an eye on shop.plati.ma if you want for when it's ready.
Thanks again for the suggestions, and the positive feedback. It's greatly appreciated!
@@PlatimaTinkers sure, thanks again for posting such a content
I enjoy a lot these SBC bring up videos, but can you make a more technical video? Like showing how to customize images using buildroot, altering dts and such?
Yeah mate for sure, that's in my list of things to get to, but I just have a bit of a backlog right now hah
wow, the camera result quite interesting. Good quality
Yeah good quality too! Next I want to test two different 5MP cameras I've got on it. I think the ISP might struggle though haha.
@@PlatimaTinkers can you try more wider, like from cheaper to most expensive you have?
It's actually kinda Sh@ quality at either 2 or 3 MP but the post processing is really good. All ARM CPU's come with NEON co-pro and FPU, these specimen have no GPU but do have a VPU visual processor, and then the NPU which traces its heritage to the gpu and so the post processing like a gae does antialiasing is really good in this the milk v which doe the same thing, and the sipeed nano now, sorry licheeRV nano specificaly
@@PlatimaTinkers youll be fine cause the NPU and VPU are going to render and post process before that happens, and I highly highly recommend using the 5MP on the SG2002 256MB Milk V's or getting soe Sipeed LicheeRV Nano's which are Also having the same cpu, the SG2002 with 256 RAM DDR3. but not the MV duo 512 cause no doubt higher spec, by then just get an orange pi zero 1 with an h3 quad a7 core, and half gig ram, but no npu yet a gpu, i personally believe the RV cores (dont run arm and RV run RV and RV, with their NPU, MCU, ISP, VPU, can take in a 3MP image and mke it look like a 10 with a 10 second exposure.
@@lutfiikbalmajid He basically did, I mean these boards are as low as you go before it beomes just microcontrollers, and if youve seen 2 ESP32's youve seen everything about MCU's. Thoughtthe ESP32-S3 is SO close to being microSBC with some swap but these are cheaper, do it faster and better already, and the only thing in SBC land that is best is RK3588 octocore with 32GB ram on the Radxa 5B, 5A, Orange Pi 5, 5B, 5plus (plus is best, full cpu, faster nvme, has emmc too, more inputs etc,) and the newly coming 5 pro with first LPDDR5 ram, but these are still like 120-200$ CAD from the LF Max's current price gone up from 22-25~ so what's their to show, I mean if you dont know why this thing can do what it does you need hm to show you these more then show you like the 5+ clustered, with a LLM running on those without int access to see if the hardware is that good not the int. like what good to you is the most expensive SBC with good NPU's GPU's VPU's ISP, FPU, NEON Co-Pro, RV MCU, Pretty dang solid GPU, andbeefcake CPU that's a berry 4B and berry 5 having supper together, with nvme and emmc without the need of another damn board, dual channel 32GB ram, and its still just not teaching you why it recognizing people and bowing to be a server right away isn't something to make not just a video but video's. I really just want to see hi grab some sipeed stuff, esp now that they have SBC's that are RV based - mainly the Lichee Pi 4H, and the LicheeRV Nano, because they are great, oh and the best fpga they got now I think still 20k
@2:42 "...general GPIOs.." Is that like 'ATM machines' ?? 🙂
Hahahaah shiiiiit. Nice catch.
The one that really gets me these days are "RAT tests" haha.
I really love these small sbcs that run linux. Can you maybe point out some differences between the milk v duo and the luckfox pico. I am having a hard time choosing between both.
Yeah for sure. The biggest one up front of course is that this is ARM, where as Milk-V Duo is RISC-V. This unfortunately means the Luckfox Pico will be more powerful at general compute, as RISC-V is still developing, but Milk-V is pushing a really important part of tech innovation by supporting the RISC-V ISA, and on top of that you do have the 2nd RTOS core. You can even run Arduino on that 2nd core as of a few weeks ago! Funnily enough, the Luckfox does actually have a second core, and it's RISC-V, but it's less user-accessible than on the Milk-V, and it's actually what runs the image/media aspects of the Pico! Both great products either way, and I like them both a lot.
thanks for the summary, also which one would you say has the better docs?
@@imagineeelego that's quite a hard question, they are both updated constantly with heaps of great info.
Depends what you want to use it for I guess. I'd say Milk-V currently has more doco around object recognition and classification, plus the SDK, where as Luckfox appears to currently have more around SPI/PWM and other GPIO functions. Both still with what the other has, but to a different degree. The Milk-V GitHub repo is definitely more active and open too.
thanks again for the info, I am more interested in the gpio, so maybe the luckfox is a good choice for me.
@@imagineeelego Any protocol in particular? Maybe just check out their docs and compare for your needs. Or just get both - they're cheap boards, and I always get 2x as I often kill one haha.
Good video, and shout out to @PCBWay for sponsoring it.
Thanks mate, much appreciated
I found the luckfox pico to be a real PITA. In my case only a Windows 10 box could connect to it over RNDIS (no Linux, no Windows 11), if I tried to use serial it would take forever to boot and never get to a login. This was with multiple minis and a pico plus.
Hey yeah RNDIS is actually being phased out. If serial took forever to boot and never got to login, then it sounds like you had a bad image.
I've got maybe half a dozen I use, and you can see in the videos they boot quick.
A pic of your setup and link to the software you're using may help! Out of hundreds of customers no on else has ever reported what you're experiencing! Happy to help if i can.
@@PlatimaTinkers It's nice to hear that RNDIS is being phased out, but it is what you use now, and I can only evaluate things as they are, not as I hope they will be.
If it is a bad image, then it is the offical image from the wiki link, made multiple times, with their tool, on two different Windows 11 platform, and one Windows 10, and that somehow I could login via RNDIS. There is at least one other person who has similar issues, there is a comment on the forum I saw the other day.
I am not saying it is a bad platform. I am saying there are flaws, and that it is for more advanced users. The same can be said about the LicheeRV Nano, a board I have used in projects as well.
@@JockMurphy Hey yeah these are absolutely meant for advance users, as they are devboards. Not something you're meant to just plugin and start using. I don't usually use RNDIS sorry, I was just demonstrating that it works. My default on these is to plug them into a network cable and SSH straight to them.
I just created a fresh VM and followed the instructions in their Wiki to build the SDK and boot it on Pico Mini B and a Pico Max, and it was as fast as it usually is. There is one thing broken in these, but you can always try my images here: github.com/platima/sbc-images/tree/main/Luckfox/Pico which boot fast for me. Or you can use the official images they publish at drive.google.com/drive/folders/1sFUWjYpDDisf92q9EwP1Ia7lHgp9PaFS (linked to from the Wiki) instead of compiling your own.
Could you have a dicky SD card? And I cannot find that post in the forums - have you got a link? I'm just a lowly RUclipsr but I do have contact with the Luckfox engineers, so can send this issue on if need be. Cheers
@@PlatimaTinkers It isn't the SD card. I tried multiple cards, also a bad card would not explain being able to log in over RNDIS, but not serial. I have already been in contact with them. I am not looking for troubleshooting advice. Just pointing out that the board isn't perfect or mature
@@JockMurphy The board is quite mature, it's just the software that is still being improved upon as it's subject to the SDK that Rockchip (who make the MCU that Luckfox are using) develops and shares. Hence the 5.10 kernel.
Serial should always be online before RNDIS. That is certainly odd. A video of this would be great if you do ever want some assistance. And of course ensuring that you're ruling out any compilation issues by using the image they provide instead of the SDK would also likely help you.
Also good to make sure you're using the correct UART (2) on pins 1/2/3 of course! Good luck :)
Hi, by any chance you could measure the power usage of this board please? Thanks a lot!
Yeah mate no worries - I'll grab the meter from the workshop this week for you, don't have it on me right now.
I've kept your comment notification in my inbox so I'll reply again once tested, and update the video description too!
Source: 5.10V
MaskROM mode: -70mA
Booting OS: 100mA peak
Booted, Idle: 44mA (same with or without SD card)
Booted, Idle: 175-215mA (with camera, no SD)
If it boots with the camera detected, it starts the rkipc process to stream the camera feed to the network which explains the higher current.
The model comparison table you showed, said ethernet:no for the Pico B, yet you mentioned ethernet pins on the back?
Yeah the specs just mean it does not have the port.
If you ref files.luckfox.com/wiki/img/devkit/Luckfox-Pico-Mini/Luckfox-Pico-Mini-details-inter.jpg you can see it has the pins mapped same as the Pico, and just needs the addon module soldered/wired ( shop.plati.ma/products/ethernet-board-for-milk-v-duo-and-luckfox-pico )
I've let my Luckfox contact know they should update the Wiki :)
nice video mate...i have a question..can i add ethernet male/female port to it...if can...i mean like just solder it to the pin...do u have any reference link that i can use as a guide..
Hey cheers!
Yeah it's sketch but I've soldered a Cat5 straight onto it before! It's not ideal though, as you really should have bidirectional TVS diodes between the pairs, and a resistor on each line, but it DOES work if done right.
See image 2 here: wiki.luckfox.com/Luckfox-Pico/Luckfox-Pico-GPIO and then the pairs here: versatek.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/ethernet-cable-pairs.png
Note I've JUST made and tested an Ubuntu SD image for Pico Mini A/B with eth enabled too, as it's not enabled in the DTB by default: github.com/platima/sbc-images/tree/main/Luckfox/Pico (if it is not visible there immediately, it's still uploading)
@@PlatimaTinkers Thanks mate for your reply...u really a nice guy..been studying this whole day...but i m a bit confused...let say i use cat5e...so TxP (1&2)..TxN (3&6)...RxP (4&5)...RxN (7&8)...how bout GND then?
Hey sorry RUclips appears to be eating your comments! I manually approved one, but it still won't show up. You can email me if you want!
And you're very welcome.
To answer the comment that is not showing up (I'm going to turn this feature off): It's only 10/100, so you don't need all four pairs, just two:
1 - Orange/White TX+
2 - Orange TX-
3 - Green/White RX+
6 - Green RX-
I realised my pictures linked were missing the TX/RX labels sorry haha. My bad! RX+ = RXP (_P_ositive / _N_egative).
And GND is usually chassis and shielding. Not strictly necessary, but good to attach if it's there.
FYI my new modules are live in the store and I fixed that URL - module always recommend more than soldering directly of course 😊
So I got myself the Pico Mini A, Cause I've been recycling a lot of older/different not so useful tech to use in projects and find myself with some winbond chips quite often, do no biggie. solder iron sh@ & Deleted itself, so got my crude one which i only use to push out being recycled soldered bits so gotto wait for new one (tried to fix other) anyhow, say I got like 4 for now, cards that are 4GB well prob more like 8 idk i got a bin of sd card going up to 1 terry, and I wanna run Swap, run 10 mini's (ill be grabbing half B half A, ) as a "server" stack, since the 5 pins in the back are ethernet, what's the rules are not using an outlet, and instead just connected edge with wire that moves to next boards correspondinig edge and does that again n again for all 10. Ideally this would somehow work, or I guess I will buy n solder the RJ45 holes to it, and get a 10 switch, an cluster them all, get a Sipeed SG2002 LicheeRV Nano 'mini monster' = nearly identical to the Milk V Duo 256MB SG2002, which has the Cortex A53. Which stupid or w.e you can only run 1x 1ghz core + the 700mhz C906 R.V core @ once, so its R.V 1G + R.V 700 or ARM 1G + 700, but regardless you get the 256 MB at DDR3 instead of the 64 DDR2, you also get an NPU that GURANTEES 1 TOPS at int 8 vs 0.5 TOPS @ int8 and 1 Tops at int4 of ALL the Luckfox + Milk V Duo 64, Duo S 512 boards. And the benefit of using the sipeed Mini Pokemon, is it's got Mipi DSI not just MIPI CSI, and it's about as small as the Pico Mini, AND you're choice to have wifi, or wifi & Ethernet, get a Screen, a better camera (max is still 5MP) Have a 5+1 NPU for 120-130 Canadian leafs on the ground, so not the best, but not the worst. I'm more interested in yes that AI and testing if the NPU's will allow freedom of travel in cluster config, esp with the master having quite a lot more power over the rest, and running in arm and risc mode for compatibility, and with wifi and a screen to actually modify data and not need to plug it in (my use case is a battery operation, with all cameras on a lighthouse in the center of 4 robot arms, and 4 tank treads so that the camera's can see in 360 along with the ESP32 NOW camera setup of 6 of them, either esp32s cam with usb module, or esp32 wrover e cam with 40 pins and usb cause their under 10 come with cam, and have usb so battery power coming from a simple in out charge controller i have that can take in the charge from 12 (110x60mm 5V 200ma per panel) solar setup, so that its doing 2x 5V 2A with fluctuations per camera, which i think 6 is enough, i only need 4 to epipolar cams seeing the same thing to have them self setup distance tracking, but 6 cause we are outdoors. ANYWAY. MY questions to you and your fans, are - Is it even worth going for the LF Pico Mini A or B, Pico, Pico Pro, or just use the two with the RV1106G2 and g3 cpu's that I only see a 1MP difference with but still 256MB ram DDR3 and meh onboard but it was only 2x that of the pico mini, so would i be better off grabbing 10 maxes and eating the price? How about the Milk V Duo 256? Imo it's better than the 512 and DUH its better than the 64, but I'd run only in dual Risc V cluster 10 of them cause when I drop all the change on it, its 20 bottles of syrup per board & expansion board bringing it to standard SBC size so my normal cluster config prnts can house them and a switch with a wifi and ethernet from usb that splits into 3 ethernet as its intake which I d not plug in to get that sweet 1.0 Guranteed TOPS int8, at 10 tats 10 per 200, which i completely understand this is not the end all be all metric but the idea is if 10 of the cups of Milk produce a better AI training and vision program easily, I'll begin adding 1, 2,3...... 100 into my Orange Pi 5 plus (pro at some point) Radxa 5A and 5B and CM5 all doing 6 TOPS, with Libre Alta's doing 5+ TOPS off of a 13 Core NPU that has 8 general cores 4 specific cores, 1 programmed, but I also am truly interested in the Risc V, the MCU nature of the SBC all the solder on points as well, and so my hope is that with all the resources an RK3588 board can throw around that large resources (in terms of SBC) and then the Alta is a bit Ram starved imo but does have emmc, 4 usb 3's and hexa core, so spreading the ram around combiningit all would all for a really decent npu count, like the sheer amount of them, and then their calc spec, and then resources, with a goal in my mind that im not willing to bring up publicly maybe youd like to talk about it elsewhere but risc v and npu's specifically are at the heart of it's inception or it's existence, idk. Either way. Have you, or anybody youve spoken to - read the comment of, stacke and clustered JUST these boards? has anybofy clustered them with others? becaue I'm thinking when I do get my two dead Opi5 8GB and 16GB broken down into the cluster control boards, I'll need a mountain of NPU power, and I want NOTHING OWED to Nvidia or intel. Mostly I want what I earned owed to a design based off the lessons learned from the Risc in the LF's or the MVD's and if not these, then I need to find a new place to start. NPU is so important though, cpu cores are needed to have effective npu same with ram, and if that means sharing it like it's one big computer then so be it, and in doing so i also intend to create a localized chat4all, with a few TB of the internet I've been downloading with my PC only containing 30 TB atm, but I think if I made 20 LLM's and 80 agents based off them, I could use each LLM's thoughts as data for the others with diminishing returns but then speculate on the returns with them as another source of data and dimiishing returns no longer matter if you've got the time. And enough of the tools. And the tools is what I'm asking you about. How cohesive can these thngs get,
Hey mate that is a hell of a message.
It seems like you've misunderstood a fair bit about these technologies though, including how they work and what their intended use case is.
I would strongly recommend buying one of each to learn, and perhaps reading all the doco first before spending any money, as a lot of what you have stated isn't really possible.
For NPUs you might want to check out www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/Orange-Pi-AI-Stick-Lite.html and similar products.
Glad to hear you're into RISC-V though! 🤘
holy shit lol
Yeah mate haha
Can it use a tiny lcd? Like can it run a lcd?
Yep you can! Some of those output pins are SPI and I2C, so any supported display would work. They have a known-good compatibility list too: wiki.luckfox.com/Luckfox-Pico/Luckfox-Pico-Support-List
@@PlatimaTinkers ayy thanks.
@@gearsgamer7115 🤘
You should definitely look at installing alpine Linux on it - it's awesome!
How to guides on luckfox site
Absolutely. Im running Alpine Linux on my server at home for two years and my MilkV Duo 64.
Yeah you're not wrong - I've started looking into Alpine more recently, and I think it's the way to go
Ooh yeah I'll definitely have to try it on one of my Duo's!