I _love_ The Miraculous Mandarin! It's one of my favorite pieces of music by anyone ever made. If you have the chance, look out for Christoph von Dohnányi's recording with the Vienna Philharmonic on Decca. It's out-of-this-world stunning, and what's more, it contains an _organ_ in the background during the climax of the Mandarin's chase. You'll never hear that organ on any other recording. It also helps that the Vienna Philharmonic play like demons in repertoire entirely outside of their usual Fach (Beethoven, Brahms, Bruckner, Schumann, Wagner, etc.).
@@musiconrecord6724 I have no idea if it's available on vinyl, but it is on CD and streaming, courtesy of Eloquence Classics, which has done such wonderful work restoring to print, even if temporarily, long out-of-print recordings from (primarily) the Decca (but also Deutsche Grammophon and Philips) catalogue, for which I, as a younger classical music listener who isn't old enough to remember vinyl recordings, am incredibly grateful. I also appreciate your efforts in bringing to light these vinyls because you still managed to introduce me to new music that I wasn't aware of.
@@miro.georgiev97 Yes it is on vinyl, a later Decca pressed in Holland (as was the case with all later Deccas). I am going to check out the stream first. Eloquence is indeed a marvelous label to which all classical music lovers are much indebted. I am so glad you are enjoying the channel.
Wonderful video, with some of my favorite music! The Boulez "Rite" from 1969 ties with that of Markevitch from 1959 with the Philharmonia, for my in any case. Wonderful! The Boulez "Mandarin" with New York and Abbado tie for me; Abbado has a narrow soundstage but, oh boy does it have a terrifying dynamic range. Dorati's "Scythian Suite" is a marvel; don't play if your neighbors are home. I have Chailly's Varese box set and love it, but I have Boulez as well. The end of "Ameriques" is just apocalyptic.
I have that. Definitely an improvement over the original LP but no match for the Original Source version of The Rite. I urge you to pick this up - it's incredible.
I’ve been a huge fan of David Hurwitz since he began his videos during Covid, but am so happy that I’ve just discovered your channel as well…I’ll now go through your previous uploads, as well as checking out your jazz discussions…alas that seems to be a whopping-big blind spot in Dave’s interests…of course there’s all kinds of jazz, like all sorts of classical, so I’ll be interested to see if our tastes match (these days I’ve settled into post-war bop through it’s many permutations up through funk, jazz-rock and the avant-garde)
Our Classical Bums discussion are on the Jazz Bums channel, but we pretty much restrict ourselves to classical. Thanks so much for your interest and support! (That's a lot of watching you are embarking on....!!!)
@@musiconrecord6724 lol, hey I’ve watched 3000 David Hurwitz videos (besides all the other RUclipss channels I watch…history, space, comics, fountain pens, film, Beatles, etc etc) I’m sure I can get through all of yours too 😂
Wonderful video such a treat to watch your information and a real passion for the art and recording science. Not much to do if all I can get are the US CBS LPS Please keep up the great work
For the Boulez Bartok there is the Dutton Vocation dual layer CD/SACDs which are fabulous. For the Varese you are kinda stuck, unless you have the Boulez Complete Sony edition which, alas, is out of print. But if you must have the Varese, I would consider picking up the vinyl for a few bucks.
Wow, such a wonderful in-depth video as always! I really love Carl Orff's 'Carmina Burana' and not solely 'O Fortuna', although that is such an iconic piece and as you mentioned, it was featured in 'Excalibur' (1981) to great effect. As luck would have it, several years ago, I bought the André Previn 'Carmina Burana' album you showed and also the album by Riccardo Muti; both of which I found at a local Salvation Army Thrift Store for only a dollar or two at most and in pristine scratch-free condition. I tend to keep my eyes open for various versions of 'Carmina Burana' as well as Stravinsky's 'The Rite of Spring', Prokofiev's 'Peter and the Wolf', Rimsky-Korsakov's 'Scheherazade', and Holst's 'The Planets'. :)
Haha, we all love the sound of your voice! This was great! Looking forward to diving into these recommendations. I have an order from Sophia at Spiral Classics on the way, so once that arrives we can schedule the next livestream. - Mike
Ooh - I'm itching to know what you bought... Between the upcoming Karajan/Bruckner and the new batch of Original Source releases plus everything else we'll have tons to talk about.
Wow what a treat getting new POP and MOR content so close together. Hoping that it will be possible for both of you to be able to provide occasional content with all of your other commitments without it becoming a chore as these channels are very special. I’m so pleased to hear that there is a chance the Abbado Scythian may be coming out on OS as although my copy has a great sounding Kije the other side pressing is pretty duff sounding to say the least. As far as CFP/MFP repressings of Cluytens I did try quite a lot of them after Michael had reported some success. I’ve got to admit I haven’t come across any copies yet that have impressed me sonically in contrast to the World record club Cluytens versions which are more scarce but do sound special.
How interesting re. the Cluytens.... I'm afraid having the Abbado Prokofiev album done as an Original Source was just me wishing fervently aloud - but it could happen...
Terrific video! Your love and intimate knowledge of the music come through. I hope you do a lot more! I have the Bernstein Rite of Spring and it is very impressive. But at 75 years old with already a partial hearing loss, I’m not anxious to test my ears with other versions! One is plenty, no matter how good the sound is…
Thank you so much for this video. And what a century we have behind us: an archipelago of wonders! Among these I would not forget:Les Noces (Svadebka)! They fit great on your list ...after the Rite. It would be nice to hear Bernstein's version (with his stellar cast) through the Original Source treatment...
Ooh yes - Bernstein Les Noces on OS - I'm all in! I heard this work done live at Proms with Boulez conducting, followed by his own "Sur Incises" (similar orchestration - 3 pianos, harps and percussion). Now THAT was cool, and a fantastic pallet cleanser after Bruckner 7th with Haitink and Dresden Staatskapelle.!
@@musiconrecord6724 Dear Mark thank you so much for the reply. Of the many wonderful works derived from Les Noces (Bartok, Messiaen, Crumb, Boulez) I am very fond of Luigi Dallapiccola’s “Musica per tre pianoforti - Inni” (1935) ...he completely understood the new sound of the piano discovered by Stravinsky ... and then these pieces are the beginning of an outstanding career full of gems (unfortunately today not to much played)...
Thanks, Mark. I enjoy your work very much, here, on Tracking Angle, etc. I'm in San LuisObispo, but come down to L.A. quite often for record shopping, and I hope to bump onto you at the stores. This Sunday I'm doing the back room at Counterpoint again. Cheers!
Thank you for the really great video! Your enthusiasm is very catching. I have some of your recommendations and will lookout for those I haven't. Keep on the good work! Greetings Michael
The Boulez Columbia recordings are underrated so it is good you highlight them. I have the vinyl in box sets with German pressings - they sound fine. Boulez recorded the same music at least twice for Columbia and DG and his reputation has suffered from having too much similar product out there.
In the 1970s CBS UK issued 3 disc box sets of Stravinsky ballets ( 79318) and Bartok (mandarin/wooden/Bluebeard 79338). Labels are dark beige with some yellow lettering. They also issued 4 disc sets of Schoenberg and Ravel. The pressings are German and good. I have never seen any of these for sale on discogs so there may have only been a few issued at the time:.
Thanks Mark, great start to what promises to be an excellent series. A few comments. Do you know the Marriner Pulcinella on Argo? Wonderful sound and performance IMO. The Boulez Rite and the Cluytens Daphnis were both released on Japanese SACDs. Surprised you did not mention the Munch/BSO Daphnis Living Presence, thought it was widely considered one of the reference recordings in terms of both performance and sonics.
Yes, that Marriner Pulcinella is lovely - though just the Suite as I recall. I forgot about the Munch Daphnis - thanks for pointing it out. I bet the Cluytens SACD sounds great - for the Boulez the Dutton CD/SACD will be cheaper and I am betting sounds just as good. Thanks for all these suggestions.
I have several of these in my LP collection too. Very good choices. More fine modern ballet music can be found in Les Biches by Francis Poulenc. Perhaps you have a favorite recording?
New subscriber and thank you so much for this. I still have my original Abbado DG Rite of Spring pressing, and you're absolutely right whilst I admired the performance, sonically it was always a bit compromised. I always thought this was a combination of bad mastering and DG's predilection for excessive multi-miked productions of the time, so not sure how they have improved that particular aspect in the new pressings? Indeed, at the time, it put me off buying DG and I turned to others (I started exploring Decca and Philips catalogue - Haitink's wonderful Petrushka with the LPO, or his fabulous Debussy Nocturnes & Jeux with the Concertgebouw for instance - seemed much more naturally recorded). As for Mirraculous Mandarins, do you know Chailly's with the Concertgebouw? Whilst I got to know the work through Dorati's later, curiously underatted but super IMHO, Detriot digital version Chailly's is just stunning!). Thanks again.
I _love_ The Miraculous Mandarin! It's one of my favorite pieces of music by anyone ever made. If you have the chance, look out for Christoph von Dohnányi's recording with the Vienna Philharmonic on Decca. It's out-of-this-world stunning, and what's more, it contains an _organ_ in the background during the climax of the Mandarin's chase. You'll never hear that organ on any other recording. It also helps that the Vienna Philharmonic play like demons in repertoire entirely outside of their usual Fach (Beethoven, Brahms, Bruckner, Schumann, Wagner, etc.).
I'm a big fan of those Dohnanyi Decca recordings, but don't know that one. Will definitely check it out.
@@musiconrecord6724 I have no idea if it's available on vinyl, but it is on CD and streaming, courtesy of Eloquence Classics, which has done such wonderful work restoring to print, even if temporarily, long out-of-print recordings from (primarily) the Decca (but also Deutsche Grammophon and Philips) catalogue, for which I, as a younger classical music listener who isn't old enough to remember vinyl recordings, am incredibly grateful. I also appreciate your efforts in bringing to light these vinyls because you still managed to introduce me to new music that I wasn't aware of.
@@miro.georgiev97 Yes it is on vinyl, a later Decca pressed in Holland (as was the case with all later Deccas). I am going to check out the stream first. Eloquence is indeed a marvelous label to which all classical music lovers are much indebted. I am so glad you are enjoying the channel.
Thanks so much for this rich tapestry of options , formats , an obvious reference adjunct to those interested in this period of composition!
Thanks so much for watching!
Wonderful video, with some of my favorite music! The Boulez "Rite" from 1969 ties with that of Markevitch from 1959 with the Philharmonia, for my in any case. Wonderful! The Boulez "Mandarin" with New York and Abbado tie for me; Abbado has a narrow soundstage but, oh boy does it have a terrifying dynamic range. Dorati's "Scythian Suite" is a marvel; don't play if your neighbors are home. I have Chailly's Varese box set and love it, but I have Boulez as well. The end of "Ameriques" is just apocalyptic.
Yes that Markevitch is splendid. I could have also mentioned the Solti on Decca... Yes, that Chailly set is terrific.
There's a 45 rpm Japanese pressing of The Rite with Abbado/LSO---same recording--that is superb along with the Prokofiev Lt Kije from that series.
I have that. Definitely an improvement over the original LP but no match for the Original Source version of The Rite. I urge you to pick this up - it's incredible.
I’ve been a huge fan of David Hurwitz since he began his videos during Covid, but am so happy that I’ve just discovered your channel as well…I’ll now go through your previous uploads, as well as checking out your jazz discussions…alas that seems to be a whopping-big blind spot in Dave’s interests…of course there’s all kinds of jazz, like all sorts of classical, so I’ll be interested to see if our tastes match (these days I’ve settled into post-war bop through it’s many permutations up through funk, jazz-rock and the avant-garde)
Our Classical Bums discussion are on the Jazz Bums channel, but we pretty much restrict ourselves to classical. Thanks so much for your interest and support! (That's a lot of watching you are embarking on....!!!)
@@musiconrecord6724 lol, hey I’ve watched 3000 David Hurwitz videos (besides all the other RUclipss channels I watch…history, space, comics, fountain pens, film, Beatles, etc etc) I’m sure I can get through all of yours too 😂
Wonderful video such a treat to watch your information and a real passion for the art and recording science.
Not much to do if all I can get are the US CBS LPS
Please keep up the great work
For the Boulez Bartok there is the Dutton Vocation dual layer CD/SACDs which are fabulous. For the Varese you are kinda stuck, unless you have the Boulez Complete Sony edition which, alas, is out of print. But if you must have the Varese, I would consider picking up the vinyl for a few bucks.
Wow, such a wonderful in-depth video as always! I really love Carl Orff's 'Carmina Burana' and not solely 'O Fortuna', although that is such an iconic piece and as you mentioned, it was featured in 'Excalibur' (1981) to great effect.
As luck would have it, several years ago, I bought the André Previn 'Carmina Burana' album you showed and also the album by Riccardo Muti; both of which I found at a local Salvation Army Thrift Store for only a dollar or two at most and in pristine scratch-free condition.
I tend to keep my eyes open for various versions of 'Carmina Burana' as well as Stravinsky's 'The Rite of Spring', Prokofiev's 'Peter and the Wolf', Rimsky-Korsakov's 'Scheherazade', and Holst's 'The Planets'. :)
Haha, we all love the sound of your voice! This was great! Looking forward to diving into these recommendations. I have an order from Sophia at Spiral Classics on the way, so once that arrives we can schedule the next livestream. - Mike
Ooh - I'm itching to know what you bought... Between the upcoming Karajan/Bruckner and the new batch of Original Source releases plus everything else we'll have tons to talk about.
Wow what a treat getting new POP and MOR content so close together. Hoping that it will be possible for both of you to be able to provide occasional content with all of your other commitments without it becoming a chore as these channels are very special. I’m so pleased to hear that there is a chance the Abbado Scythian may be coming out on OS as although my copy has a great sounding Kije the other side pressing is pretty duff sounding to say the least. As far as CFP/MFP repressings of Cluytens I did try quite a lot of them after Michael had reported some success. I’ve got to admit I haven’t come across any copies yet that have impressed me sonically in contrast to the World record club Cluytens versions which are more scarce but do sound special.
How interesting re. the Cluytens.... I'm afraid having the Abbado Prokofiev album done as an Original Source was just me wishing fervently aloud - but it could happen...
@@musiconrecord6724 Hopeful expectation of positive outcomes is all part of the fun!
Terrific video! Your love and intimate knowledge of the music come through. I hope you do a lot more! I have the Bernstein Rite of Spring and it is very impressive. But at 75 years old with already a partial hearing loss, I’m not anxious to test my ears with other versions! One is plenty, no matter how good the sound is…
Great video and really nice to see the SACD's and CD recommendations as well. Looking forward to the next one.
Thank you!
Thank you so much for this video. And what a century we have behind us: an archipelago of wonders! Among these I would not forget:Les Noces (Svadebka)! They fit great on your list ...after the Rite. It would be nice to hear Bernstein's version (with his stellar cast) through the Original Source treatment...
Ooh yes - Bernstein Les Noces on OS - I'm all in! I heard this work done live at Proms with Boulez conducting, followed by his own "Sur Incises" (similar orchestration - 3 pianos, harps and percussion). Now THAT was cool, and a fantastic pallet cleanser after Bruckner 7th with Haitink and Dresden Staatskapelle.!
@@musiconrecord6724 Dear Mark thank you so much for the reply. Of the many wonderful works derived from Les Noces (Bartok, Messiaen, Crumb, Boulez) I am very fond of Luigi Dallapiccola’s “Musica per tre pianoforti - Inni” (1935) ...he completely understood the new sound of the piano discovered by Stravinsky ... and then these pieces are the beginning of an outstanding career full of gems (unfortunately today not to much played)...
@@danielemastrangelo8016 I don't know this piece. Will seek it out...
Thanks, Mark. I enjoy your work very much, here, on Tracking Angle, etc. I'm in San LuisObispo, but come down to L.A. quite often for record shopping, and I hope to bump onto you at the stores. This Sunday I'm doing the back room at Counterpoint again. Cheers!
Ah - the "back room" - full of treasures. I was there a few weeks ago. Found some great stuff. Have fun!
Thank you for the really great video! Your enthusiasm is very catching. I have some of your recommendations and will lookout for those I haven't. Keep on the good work! Greetings Michael
Thanks so much for watching!
The Boulez Columbia recordings are underrated so it is good you highlight them. I have the vinyl in box sets with German pressings - they sound fine. Boulez recorded the same music at least twice for Columbia and DG and his reputation has suffered from having too much similar product out there.
I am really curious about that German pressed box set. Can you provide any information?
In the 1970s CBS UK issued 3 disc box sets of Stravinsky ballets ( 79318) and Bartok (mandarin/wooden/Bluebeard 79338). Labels are dark beige with some yellow lettering. They also issued 4 disc sets of Schoenberg and Ravel. The pressings are German and good. I have never seen any of these for sale on discogs so there may have only been a few issued at the time:.
Correction - Ravel and Schoenberg were also 3 disc sets.
@@davidgow9457 I will check those out. These are all marvelous recordings, and I wonder what the German pressings will sound like.
Thanks Mark, great start to what promises to be an excellent series. A few comments. Do you know the Marriner Pulcinella on Argo? Wonderful sound and performance IMO. The Boulez Rite and the Cluytens Daphnis were both released on Japanese SACDs. Surprised you did not mention the Munch/BSO Daphnis Living Presence, thought it was widely considered one of the reference recordings in terms of both performance and sonics.
Yes, that Marriner Pulcinella is lovely - though just the Suite as I recall. I forgot about the Munch Daphnis - thanks for pointing it out. I bet the Cluytens SACD sounds great - for the Boulez the Dutton CD/SACD will be cheaper and I am betting sounds just as good. Thanks for all these suggestions.
Another wonderful video.. Thank you so much👍
Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
I have several of these in my LP collection too. Very good choices. More fine modern ballet music can be found in Les Biches by Francis Poulenc. Perhaps you have a favorite recording?
As I collect the Decca Originals, I would be interested to know the year of release or Cat number. Thanks
Whats the Decca SXL cat number ?
For which record(s)?
New subscriber and thank you so much for this. I still have my original Abbado DG Rite of Spring pressing, and you're absolutely right whilst I admired the performance, sonically it was always a bit compromised. I always thought this was a combination of bad mastering and DG's predilection for excessive multi-miked productions of the time, so not sure how they have improved that particular aspect in the new pressings? Indeed, at the time, it put me off buying DG and I turned to others (I started exploring Decca and Philips catalogue - Haitink's wonderful Petrushka with the LPO, or his fabulous Debussy Nocturnes & Jeux with the Concertgebouw for instance - seemed much more naturally recorded). As for Mirraculous Mandarins, do you know Chailly's with the Concertgebouw? Whilst I got to know the work through Dorati's later, curiously underatted but super IMHO, Detriot digital version Chailly's is just stunning!). Thanks again.
Wouldn't be the case that Kubelik's Lohengrin would gain/fits in the same cases mentioned here?
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