Been machining for a long time. Putting it on rather than removing is great leap. Would love to see this in real life. Would trade a few children to run it through prog and and run a cycle. So many questions regarding the metalurgy and material reaction. I do not know where to start. You are very fortunate to be involved with this at ground level i feel like im first year again just watching this. Five axis with a tapered cutter never gets old either. Cheers cheers cheers.
@@domakent I took some classes in CNC and I laugh reading this because I professor swore by that BS. I told him that in the near future there will be machines that add on and take away. I said "if you can only take away and not add on, you're the devil; but if you can do both, you are God."
It is amazing for sure. But I am very curious that how thick and how high you've built when you print it comparing to the goal thickness and goal height of the final finished blade. because as far as I know, the laser spot diameter is around 3mm. If you want to get 3mm thickeness of the blade, it is almost imporssible to get good surface after cutting, the matiral is not being built enough.
Metal 3D is great tech, but make sense only for very complex shapes and definitely not in the way of extruder visible here. Powder is much more controllable and I love inconel printing.
@@easternperspective0244 Not really, you can use it to create internal, unmillable geometry lol, its not gonna replace milling, but it will replace some advanced and difficult processes for sure.
I wonder how tech like this could be used for large suite cases. Like an additive then subtractive multistep operation for large internally complex pieces where you'd build up like they did the cone then machine internal cavities and then add on top.
the big problem with that is that this is a messy process, any machined surfaces would need to be able to be masked or cleaned up later in order to keep any slag or dross from sticking to it
i guess its all about the numbers, the reduced machining time + consumables vs the increased time + big raw stock + more cutters consumed. some jobs will have no alternative
3D printing in metals is amazing, but… how does it work to make uniformity of the material structure? Are there any cracks, caverns or cavities? 3D печать металлов это, конечно, круто, но… как насчёт однородности структуры материала? Есть ли трещины, поры и полости?
This is no conventional 3D printing. Note that there’s little to no support structures being added during the process. With the fact that this machine is able to work with almost full range of motion and different types of manufacturing tools, I would say it is a work of art.
@@mariotonizza3411 I'm just wondering why they 3d printed this part instead of just machining it from a block of whatever. The only reason to print is to make features that are impossible to machine and all of that part looks easily machined.
@@jerryherrin6470 No, it's to save on material costs as well. The machine is likely _very_ expensive, however if it performs well and doesn't cost a fortune to maintain and run, then it will be paid for in savings from using less material. What you saw here is the equivalent on skipping the roughing process, which would likely have subtracted as much or material as remained in the finished piece.
Almost zero waste. 75% of machined blank would wind up on the floor and maching would need to be from both sides as the part is hollow. Fusion may be a bonus as the grain direction is not uniform.
@@IanM-rl1pu You can cast a blank to closer accuracy than what they are machining off here and do it faster. Car turbos are cast and get a quick run under a grinding/polishing wheel for surface finish. Precision casting gets 0.2mm accuracy for the first 10cm and +0.1mm per 1cm after that. So most items would need no more than surface finishing. I think AM only makes sense for parts where you don't CNC after and need shapes where you can't fit a cutting head. Injection molding has been 100% automated, and many things don't need much or any surface finish after. These welding methods are way too slow compared to laser sintering, and most additive processes are extremely energy inefficient. If there was more vertical integration so that there was smelting and casting in one factory you could save 2-3 melting processes and go directly from refined steel into a molded product. THAT would be a revolution. Instead we are focusing on Smelt -> Cast -> powdering/roll into wire -> melt with laser/welder. Each time using tons of electricity and fuel because everything is spread across multiple factories.
@@excitedbox5705 you said a whole lot for an idiot. First off the product end quality and properties will be different with every method you just described. And additive manufacturing is inherently stronger than cast or billet or injected it will have more in common with a forged billet method. This is clearly a turbo pump for a rocket& cast automotive pumps would grenade under rocket conditions.
@@excitedbox5705 Every method of manufacturing has its benefits and limitations. Casting is great when you have a foundry and lots of somethings to do or massive somethings to do. For one turbo its not worth making the blank/dummy to cast the sand. When the term Hi Production is used to describe an n.c. it means hi precision fast & efficient not progressive die part number productive. This is a super car. Able to work within .0002"( 1/16 of a human hair) compared with the.008"(two fat human hairs) on your casting plus all the other geometrical constraints that can't be attained in casting. ( two tenths with with temp control coolant and ambient air.) Casting is a western star. great for volume and a process that runs best when never stopped. Too expensive to fire up again. Think prototyping. Foils for jet engine compressors. model-machine- test- modify model-make new-retest by the next morning. That's where this machine will thrive. Problem is, what are the metallurgical speed bumps? No tool steel, the aluminum alloys are likely no go definitely no magnesium. This is where my questions lie. cheers.
I think machining from a solid billet was a better option for this case of an impeller. Additive manufacturing and other traditional processes shall greatly supplement each other to deliver products we could only dream of.
@@themechanix393 You can't generalise this anymore. It's not a file or a screwdriver that gets sourced and manufactured in one country or location. Specifically the Lasertec Solutions are based on international researches that exceed the capabilities of one nation alone. Even the production of the machine tool itself is outsourced to global subcontractors. Some machines are "made in Germany", some are "made in Japan" or elsewhere. It doesn't matter. What really matters is the outcome of this whole conglomerate of genius. A magnificent machine that strive to revolutionise production as we know it.
The ark looks like if it is using a plasma generator!! real jump forth on tech there... "Even do I'm still kind of partial to the robotic arm and the mig welding machine.. more practical......
Been machining for a long time. Putting it on rather than removing is great leap. Would love to see this in real life. Would trade a few children to run it through prog and and run a cycle. So many questions regarding the metalurgy and material reaction. I do not know where to start.
You are very fortunate to be involved with this at ground level i feel like im first year again just watching this. Five axis with a tapered cutter never gets old either. Cheers cheers cheers.
Think of all the times people have said "you can cut metal off but you can't cut it back on".
@@domakent I took some classes in CNC and I laugh reading this because I professor swore by that BS. I told him that in the near future there will be machines that add on and take away. I said "if you can only take away and not add on, you're the devil; but if you can do both, you are God."
😂😂😂😂😂 still hearing it I might have to correct the next person that says it though @@domakent
AMAZING, AMAZING, AMAZING!!! 4h49min!
Brother, impressive. I was amazed!
I can see this becoming very big, very quickly, very soon. Love it. Nice work, great job!
Very Useful for patching up Broken Dies.
This is next level
Impressive machine
Sing it with me...
IF I HAD A MILLION DOLLARS! (OH IF I HAD A MILLION DOLLARS)
Exactly
that is mind blowing
Amazing
It is amazing for sure. But I am very curious that how thick and how high you've built when you print it comparing to the goal thickness and goal height of the final finished blade. because as far as I know, the laser spot diameter is around 3mm. If you want to get 3mm thickeness of the blade, it is almost imporssible to get good surface after cutting, the matiral is not being built enough.
Wow! 😮
Metal 3D is great tech, but make sense only for very complex shapes and definitely not in the way of extruder visible here. Powder is much more controllable and I love inconel printing.
the only place it would make sense is on mars or x - planet
the only sense it would have on earth is as a corection technique , mistake no problem just add material and mill it again
@@easternperspective0244 Not really, you can use it to create internal, unmillable geometry lol, its not gonna replace milling, but it will replace some advanced and difficult processes for sure.
CAN YOU TELL ME IS IT AS GOOD AS A BILLET PART CNC
@@tonyking9235 it's even better if you can't make that part on a cnc in the first place
Side question, how did you record it ? what did you use? How about inside temperature? Can i use a gopro without destroying it ?
Holy cow thats some 21th century stuff
Is this financialy worth it? Compared milling from a solid forged billet?
I wonder how tech like this could be used for large suite cases. Like an additive then subtractive multistep operation for large internally complex pieces where you'd build up like they did the cone then machine internal cavities and then add on top.
the big problem with that is that this is a messy process, any machined surfaces would need to be able to be masked or cleaned up later in order to keep any slag or dross from sticking to it
I want that in my living room
Holy shit I want one
i guess its all about the numbers, the reduced machining time + consumables vs the increased time + big raw stock + more cutters consumed.
some jobs will have no alternative
What is the material of the part? What are the deviations of the geometry of the part after cutting off the plate? What CAM was shown in the video?
En verdad existirá esa maquina de ser asi las productoras de acero se extinguirian
Something tells me the total build time there is leaving out a few things.
Alien technology. This will make the foundry obsolete.
와!
that it what i am loking for. That reduce time? make it only with CNC it take longer? what about cost?
3D printing in metals is amazing, but… how does it work to make uniformity of the material structure? Are there any cracks, caverns or cavities?
3D печать металлов это, конечно, круто, но… как насчёт однородности структуры материала? Есть ли трещины, поры и полости?
This is no conventional 3D printing. Note that there’s little to no support structures being added during the process. With the fact that this machine is able to work with almost full range of motion and different types of manufacturing tools, I would say it is a work of art.
@@mariotonizza3411 I'm just wondering why they 3d printed this part instead of just machining it from a block of whatever. The only reason to print is to make features that are impossible to machine and all of that part looks easily machined.
@@jerryherrin6470 No, it's to save on material costs as well. The machine is likely _very_ expensive, however if it performs well and doesn't cost a fortune to maintain and run, then it will be paid for in savings from using less material.
What you saw here is the equivalent on skipping the roughing process, which would likely have subtracted as much or material as remained in the finished piece.
Machines like this are actually somewhat poor, you end up with a fair bit of porosity due to the powder not melting properly.
@@samengel6866 I knew that!!!… Me, as a CNC machinist, ain’t going to lose my employment anytime soon. I operate metal cutting CNCs, not 3D printers.
What time is finished with milling machine?
I'll be honest. 1:21 scared crap out of me!
If its profitable i mean why not.
Very cool stuff, imagine your out of tolerance, you Just add more material again lol.
some questions: 1. what is the gain in time compared to subtractive, 2. is that metal powder sprayed and sintered? 3. consistency, strength compared?
Almost zero waste. 75% of machined blank would wind up on the floor and maching would need to be from both sides as the part is hollow. Fusion may be a bonus as the grain direction is not uniform.
@@IanM-rl1pu You can cast a blank to closer accuracy than what they are machining off here and do it faster. Car turbos are cast and get a quick run under a grinding/polishing wheel for surface finish. Precision casting gets 0.2mm accuracy for the first 10cm and +0.1mm per 1cm after that. So most items would need no more than surface finishing. I think AM only makes sense for parts where you don't CNC after and need shapes where you can't fit a cutting head.
Injection molding has been 100% automated, and many things don't need much or any surface finish after. These welding methods are way too slow compared to laser sintering, and most additive processes are extremely energy inefficient. If there was more vertical integration so that there was smelting and casting in one factory you could save 2-3 melting processes and go directly from refined steel into a molded product. THAT would be a revolution. Instead we are focusing on Smelt -> Cast -> powdering/roll into wire -> melt with laser/welder. Each time using tons of electricity and fuel because everything is spread across multiple factories.
@@excitedbox5705 you said a whole lot for an idiot. First off the product end quality and properties will be different with every method you just described. And additive manufacturing is inherently stronger than cast or billet or injected it will have more in common with a forged billet method. This is clearly a turbo pump for a rocket& cast automotive pumps would grenade under rocket conditions.
@@excitedbox5705 Every method of manufacturing has its benefits and limitations. Casting is great when you have a foundry and lots of somethings to do or massive somethings to do. For one turbo its not worth making the blank/dummy to cast the sand.
When the term Hi Production is used to describe an n.c. it means hi precision fast & efficient not progressive die part number productive. This is a super car. Able to work within .0002"( 1/16 of a human hair) compared with the.008"(two fat human hairs) on your casting plus all the other geometrical constraints that can't be attained in casting. ( two tenths with with temp control coolant and ambient air.) Casting is a western star. great for volume and a process that runs best when never stopped. Too expensive to fire up again.
Think prototyping. Foils for jet engine compressors. model-machine- test- modify model-make new-retest by the next morning. That's where this machine will thrive. Problem is, what are the metallurgical speed bumps? No tool steel, the aluminum alloys are likely no go definitely no magnesium. This is where my questions lie. cheers.
I think machining from a solid billet was a better option for this case of an impeller.
Additive manufacturing and other traditional processes shall greatly supplement each other to deliver products we could only dream of.
More than $990,000!
one very expensive part !!
Can you use the printer for repair a part?
Yes definitely, That is actually one of the most common use cases
Japanese engineering Art combined with japanese reliability, amazing !
Y does Japanese have anything to do with it?
@@the_larsonfamily because it is a japanese company (dmg mori seiki), dmg is just the european subsidiary of the japanese mother company.
@@tengilaurel3777 i think the lasertec stuff is located in Germany...
@@themechanix393 You can't generalise this anymore. It's not a file or a screwdriver that gets sourced and manufactured in one country or location.
Specifically the Lasertec Solutions are based on international researches that exceed the capabilities of one nation alone.
Even the production of the machine tool itself is outsourced to global subcontractors.
Some machines are "made in Germany", some are "made in Japan" or elsewhere.
It doesn't matter. What really matters is the outcome of this whole conglomerate of genius.
A magnificent machine that strive to revolutionise production as we know it.
this machine was built and engineered in Germany
Watch in our VIENNA REGION and get some insights about the Formula 1 of Lasertechnology - ruclips.net/video/zl9WIWVlDJU/видео.html
Como las películas de Hollywood se me olvido el nombre cgi no se
The ark looks like if it is using a plasma generator!! real jump forth on tech there... "Even do I'm still kind of partial to the robotic arm and the mig welding machine.. more practical......
German tecnología
It is in fact japanese technology, dmg mori is a japanese company with its headquarter in Japan.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMG_Mori_Aktiengesellschaft