Tim Duncan's IGNORED GOAT Case (GOAT Series 9/9)
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- A deeper look into the greatness of Tim Duncan, and his case for the title of Greatest Of All Time. The GOAT series is intended to "make the argument" for each GOAT candidate.
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Where do you rank Tim among the Top 10 All-Time greats?
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Shaq knows what's up!
Duncan was better than Lepoppedpussy
For me he is defenitly top 10 and ahead of kobe and shaq.
Tbh he's probably 10th on my list maybe Tim Duncan too me is always gonna seem a tad overrated
I think I'll put him 4th. MJ, Larry, Magic and then him.
Remember y’all.. he’s a Ray Allen shot away from being 6-0 in the finals.. that is greatness
I mean he had another chance in game 7
@@BlackFlash7 and he dropped 30 , but everything that could go wrong I game 6 did. If pop puts him on the court after LeBron bricks the game tying 3 he definitely would've gotten the rebound and he's the finals MVP without a doubt
@@BlackFlash7 Parker was injured, he played great in the series.
@@dariuswoodard4829 stop saying disrespectfully LeBron brick the game-winning 3 like that if it wasn't for LeBron James in the 4th quarter that game would have been over a long time ago
@@redbogaming6009 yeah yeah but when it counted the most did he hit the shot ? What if he took it , missed and pop had the awareness to leave duncan in to get the rebound ? Just like in game 1 of the 2018 finals , you had an all time great game , the hottest from the floor you've ever been and you have the ball with Steph curry on you and 6 seconds left In the game and you PASS the ball to George hill?? Wtf? Those 49 points he had before that point meant nothing the moment he passed to george hill because you got them to that moment , you take that shot. Btw when he took that 3 in game 6 it wasn't a good shot , they had a lot of time to get a good one and he panicked and bricked a 3. I'm not being disrespectful , that's what happened
Had ray allen missed that shot Timmy would be 6-0 with 4 MVP's
You mean had pop not taken Tim out the game and let bosh get a easy rebound he most likely wouldn’t have got IF Duncan was on the floor. Pop lost that game with bad coaching as much as ray Allen shot won it.
6-0 yes but Danny Green was gonna get that finals mvp
Luka Calov facts
Thanks to several hall of famers on his team.
Amarjeet Jawanda, not with how he played in the elimination game(6).
Finally !! Timmy D getting the respect he deserve
He made the spurs what they are today! People talk like he was a good player on a great team but it’s exact opposite he was a great player who made the team good
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It's both. You can say that and it be true when you have 5 rings....almost 6.....all the while battling the Lakers of Kobe, Shaq, and Jackson.
@@dexterjankaren and the Suns and Mavericks and Heat and Rockets
He was a great player on a great team. There's a reason why Popovich is known as the greatest coach of all time. Doesn't take away the fact that he IMO is in my top 5 list of all time.
@@anthonynorman7545 and Detroit
If we evaluate basketball as a team game, Tim Duncan is THE greatest basketball player of all time.
In that case wouldn't he be 3rd?
1.Russel
2.Kareem
3.Duncan
4.Earvin
5.Stockton
6.Bird
7.Nash
8.Pippen
9.Isiah
10.Wade
JKTProductionzIncNCo true
To use that caveat & then still rank Duncan ahead of Bill Russell is insanity
This is a bit of a conundrum, wouldn’t we have to evaluate the greatest team of all time if we’re talking “team game”?
Bird is no one team player...duncan close second
2003 Finals Tim Duncan GOAT. No one was stopping him from a close quadruple double
That was the single most dominant performance I've seen by any basketball player ever
@@darkknightsds I totally agree. His 2003 finals performances were masterful. Dominated both sides of the ball.
He was robbed. I hope he got a recognition like they did it for that 🐎. Yup, they did justice for Secretariat but not yet for Timmy...
Probably the greatest performance in finals history
Kobe stops him all the time. Duncan has a losing record to Kobe in the playoffs.
my friend told me that Anthony Davis is better than Tim duncan in his prime... 🤮🤮 Had to watch this video to cleanse my damn ears after that shit
treybotts gaming he on drugs tell him to look at those first two nba finals he was in
Who.. what.. is your friend a crack head?
treybotts gaming You NEED to show him this video, consider this his professional help for even conjuring that thought
Duncan has won 5 championships, Davis has won literally 5 playoff games so far
AD won't even be a top 5 PF all time 😂😂😂
I have Tim Duncan at number 7 on my list, definitely a top 10 all-time great. You can make a case that Tim Duncan is arguably the most underrated all-time great in nba history. Underrated leader, not flashy, he was the simple yet effective type of player. His game had a quiet loud impact
U mean he had a grungelike impact??😂😂
LBFWN who do you have above him?
I have:
LeBron
MJ
Kobe
Magic
Bird
Shaq
Hakeem
Kareem
@@glyle2504 is that in no order or in order?
I have above Tim in this order
MJ
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
LBFWN woahhhh, I gotta hard disagree with your list😂it’s your opinion but there’s no way I have Kareem or especially Russel over Kobe and LeBron. And yeah my list is in order.
@@glyle2504 I figure you would and it's fine. I would love to hear Kobe and LeBron over Russell and Kareem?
Duncan is just a good example of someone who doesn't complain and sticks with their team without having drama with their teammates and sticks around to win championships.
Timmy made All-NBA 1st Team honors as a rookie in ‘98. That’s how polished and impactful he was. One of the all-time legends. Thanks for the video to recognize a legend.
Should of been MVP in his second season over Karl Malone in the lockout year
That's crazy, isn't it? Only 8 players have done that.
Eric L
I believe he was 5th in MVP voting too if I remember correctly which is crazy for a Rookie.
Lmao love Duncan but that's a tad disingenuous bc he was a 4 year senior at wake forest
@@marquismccullum6592 he would have been the same out of high school too .
Tim Duncan was a winner. He was capable of doin more but why care about stats(ex.Westbrook, Harden) when you can still dominate with your team involved. He's on my Mount Rushmore tho fasho.
He's the reason I'm a Spurs fan for almost 20 years. We're not doing good now but I know we'll recover. MJ is the best, no question, but people need to respect this guy.
Timmy D is 4th imo
@@hakeemolajuwonBESTROCKET no question at least top 5
TD is so underrated, he's definitely in the 🐐 conversation!
Michael Jordan is the Greatest of All Time.
Tim Duncan is my Greatest of All Time.
Nice point
Duncans also the greatest power forward of all time.
Boi F No it’s not.....that sounds dumb as hell. Either he’s the GOAT or not. That retarded statement is just playing it safe.
@@joshuanichols5499 so I'm not entitled to my own opinion of who is MY own GOAT vs who is the actual GOAT?
If anything, it shows that I'm objective because Duncan is my favorite but I know MJ is the best.
Console Gamer You really don’t get how ass backwards you sound bro? I’m honestly not trying to troll you. I want you to not be hesitant to say what you really feel. 💯 If Tim Duncan is your favorite player but you feel Michael Jordan is the goat, just say that. However, if you feel Tim Duncan is the goat, then stand on that. Don’t let these Jordan stans make you undercut that feeling by saying he’s YOUR goat but MJ is THE goat. Then Tim Duncan is not YOUR goat. He’s just YOUR favorite player. No matter what these MJ stans and sports media try to tell you, lightning will not strike you for saying Tim Duncan is better than Michael Jordan if that’s what you feel. And you honestly would have a strong case for that. It’s not like you’re saying Clyde Drexler or Reggie Miller is better than MJ. Absolutely nobody should look at you crazy for saying that, even if they disagree. Tim has never missed a playoff or even won less than 50 games in a season that wasn’t cut short by a lockout. Michael Jordan has done both. People always say that it was a Ray Allen jump shot that cost Tim Duncan a 6th title. But this was actually one of the worst officiated Finals ever. And it was that poor officiating that even made a Ray Allen jump shot costing Tim Duncan a 6th ring possible in the first place. That and the God awful play of Manu Ginobili. But Duncan really should have six rings and at least two more Finals MVPs from 07 and 13 had he not been cheated. As for regular season MVPs, it’s hard to use such a political, story driven award as argument for one player over another. Yeah MJ has five to Duncan’s two. But I can only give so much credibility to an MVP that Steve Nash has been awarded twice and KOBE F’N BRYANT only once. Tim Duncan has matched MJ on all NBA first teams, could’ve easily been awarded at least three more regular season MVPs and that he never won at least one DPOY award is a crime. He also averaged a double double the first 13 years of his career and was still highly productive after. He played in a share the wealth system his entire career and placed team success over individual numbers. Otherwise, he could’ve posted even better numbers. Anybody with even poor vision could see that Tim was skilled enough to average 30 ppg and 15 rpg. Finally, Tim Duncan is far and away the best power forward ever. While Michael at best is ARGUABLY the the greatest shooting guard. But contrary to popular belief Michael wasn’t better than Kobe who is the real goat as far as I’m concerned. So I write all that to really just make the point that you don’t have to rank MJ ahead of Tim if that’s not what you feel. If Tim Duncan is YOUR goat, then in your eyes, he is THE goat.....end of story.
For how good Tim Duncan was offensively there is an argument that was a better defender than offensive player
Love the title! Timmy D is a top 5 player all time and is consistently forgotten about in GOAT discussions.
Bank is open.
You are one of the best NBA channel bro
Keep up the good work
Iam new NBA fan
As a spurs fan its good to see tim duncan getting recognized he is probably the most underrated GOAT ever
So proud of you man. It’s finally happened!
The greatest power forward ever, and arguably the best teamate ever. No air with this man, pure humility.
As a spurs fan and San Antonio Native Timmy has not only done a lot for the game he's done a lot for the city. And that ladies and gentlemen is why he's the GOAT. Nothing brings us together more in San Antonio than a night at the AT&T center to watch our Spurs. ESPECIALLY when Timmy was still around
He always presented a challenge for my lakers. I respect him a lot.
I remember Tim Duncan at Wake Forest. I remember my hair standing standing up when hearing he was going play with Robinson in San Antonio... I followed his entire career. It was amazing. He was amazing. I always wondered why he used the backboard so much.. was it too easy to just shoot it in 😄.
Great video!!! 👍👍👍 Tim Duncan was the GOAT of his position in the NBA and his stats speak for themselves!!! Their was other great power forwards,but their was none better than Tim Duncan!!! He's a most definite HALL OF FAMER!!! 🏀🏀🏀
Honestly it was wilts that gave me a different perspective, everyone around me always said he played against plumbers. Your video made me look into it myself and really realize how great and who all those legends were
The illusion with Duncan is the fact that he came into the league at such a high level and there was not much room for improvement.
Legend. I 🖤 Tim Duncan. Great argument. Duncan and Jordan are my favs... Class acts.
Got me onboard with the playoffs appearances stat.
Thank you very much.
This GOAT series is/was great.
I was hoping for duncan or the dream.
Fundamentals are 🔑
Amazing series btw, well done! Your Bill Russell video gave a strong case and changed my perspective on who the GOAT really is. I actually think it's Bill Russell now.
Imagine having prime Jordan and prime Duncan on a team. Gives me the goosebumps
82-0
Better than prime LeBron n kobe
Ha I was just thinking about that
That's better than Kobe and Shaq tbh
Imagine if Rodman had hid head together and stayed in San Antonio
He’s in my top 10. Unpopular opinion: I’d take him over Kobe and LeBron. Better foundational player to build a franchise around than Kobe and a far better team player than Kobe and he doesn’t need a top 5 player with him the way Kobe and LeBron do in order to win. He’s got the clutch gene that LeBron lacks.
will cruz Lebron lacks the clutch gene? Wtf bro nobody takes DuncAn over Lebron or kobe period
Everybody needed a Robin to their Batman. Duncan had the Admiral and Sean Elliot for his first two. Then Parker and Ginobili in his next run. Nobody wins titles, especially multiple titles, alone
You could argue about better to build a team around definitely. But saying he didn’t need a top 5 player around him is funny. When was Pau or Bynum a top 5 player in the league? I’ll give you Shaq (though you could argue they were 1 and 1A). But let’s not sleep on all the help Duncan had on top of being in the same offense and defense under the same coach for his entire career. Robinson was one of the best big men in the league, Parker (top PG in league), Manu (best 6th man and arguably a top 5 SG in most of his career). And that’s leaving out the role player help like Green, Leonard, etc. underrated and one of my favorite players but I’d say he had more help and more consistency than almost anyone in the top 10.
Killmonger 26 he’s not clutch. Physically he’s the second most gifted player I’ve seen behind MJ. LBJ always makes great basketball plays and is this generations best player by far but I’d rather have both Kobe or Tim on my team if I’m in the finals. Like I said, unpopular opinion but rings and finals records don’t lie.
@@t.j.uchiha8699 This is a weak and bs argument, was absolutely destroyed by Legend of Winning: ruclips.net/video/Pvq-wFFuqPY/видео.html
I was a Spurs fan before Tim got here. Having him only made my love as fan grow even more. Timmy D has always conducted himself with class truly a great pick for us and the league.
Best Power Forward in the history of the National Basketball Association
Great video, thanx again.
I've watched a lot of your videos yet somehow was never subscribed til now. RUclips recommendations are giving me the content I need in my life now. Great content. Keep it up!
I will never forget when he say after the loss to Miami that they would be back the next year and won it all. Simply Amazing
And to follow thru with it, winning the Finals series 5-1, SAVAGE.
I never forget that either. It was so bold at the time
@@gswoosh imagine Ray Allen missing the three
This is a fantastic series!! Favorite player? Magic. Biggest superstar? MJ . GOAT? Larry Legend. Greatness is a subjective term and doesn't necessarily mean the 'best.'
Thing about Tim Duncan I find most impressive is that he got his 5 championships without a real superstar in their prime as a teammate. David Robinson was great but when he won his two with Tim Duncan he was way past his prime, Kawhi is a great player but he wasn't anywhere close to his prime when he won the championship with him, Tony Parker was an all star and Manu was a great 6th man but neither of them are what anyone would consider all time greats. Compare that two his competition, he went through Shaq and Kobe twice to get his first two, beat the defending champion Pistons for his third, went through Kobe in the first round and LeBron in the finals for the 4th and LeBron, D-Wade and Bosh for the last.
So a still great and yet past prime Robinson, bookended by a rising star in Kawhi, while playing most of those years with to perennial all-stars in Ginobli and Parker, while being assisted by one or two time all-stars Sean Elliot and Avery, with a deep bench all those years (with all time great rabbit's foot Robert Horry there for a few of those years, oh, and Steve Kerr's sharp shooting arse), and coached by the slacker Popovich? I love TD too but he was hardly alone in his championship pursuits.
@@rashard4 Obviously, nobody has ever won 3+ championships alone much less 5. All you said was true except that Ginobili was a perennial all star, he only made it twice, but compare this to what other guys who have at least 5 had. Bill Russell had 7 hall of famers. Magic had a top 5 all time player in Kareem and an all star in Worthy with a deep bench, Kareem himself had Magic and all that too. MJ had Scottie Pippen, Kukoc for 4 and Rodman for 3. You could argue that's less than Duncan had but in all other instances they had WAY more. Kobe had Shaq, a top 10 all time player for the first 3, Pau for the last 2. Shaq was way better than anyone Duncan had and you could actually argue the same for Pau given Robinson and Kawhi's ages. Point being, he had A LOT less than these guys. Arguably Pop was the best help he had as he's probably the greatest coach of all time. But nobody's ever accused Phil Jackson, Pat Riley or Red Aurbach to be lacking in that department.
Thanks for making this, much love 👍😎
Tough call, but i take Duncan over LBJ. Records don't lie. He has a better playoff record and more champioships than LBJ. Also he is a better player to build around than LBJ
stewart jin And that’s why context matters compre what Lebron was drafted into and compare what Tim was drafted into
stewart jin another reason why we dont just use Chios in determining who the better player is because robert horry has 7 rings and we both know Tim>Robert
He doesn't have a better playoff record. Lebron has played less time, they both have 35 series wins and Lebron has 3 less playoff losses and never lost in the first round. This is despite Duncan clearly having the better team, coaching and culture. Don't get impression mixed up. Lebron's won a higher percentage of his playoff games than Duncan. With or without help.
I love Pop as a coach but what was he doing before Duncan and Lebron has way more help than Duncan. Duncan never played with another prime superstar
@@bobo221989 shut the fuck up talking Duncan had less help than Lebron. Pop's Spurs are a dynasty they won 4 titles in 9 years because they were the best defensive team in the league. You the dumbest fuck on Earth if you think Lebron had more help than Duncan.
I am a bit late to the party, but glad I found this series. This video more than the others influenced my thinking about the player. I always thought Tim was good. you convinced me he was great. I enjoy your objectiveness and logic. It was a very good series and I would have liked to see it continue. I think you could have made a case for Oscar Robertson in particular, but there are probably others who deserve to be included. Looking forward to more of your videos and insights.
Tim is top 10 for sure
Yo this just blew my mind ! 🤯 i knew Timmy d was a great but the hardware and consistency crazy
Tim Duncan I knew he was a beast. But when he broke down numbers. Oooooooooooooowe he’s behind Mitchell jordan. And also Hakeem in conversation. But damn duncan
Him and Hakeem r my fav big men
This and the Larry Bird video I enjoyed the most because with others most basketball fans say them. But this Duncan and Bird case was well done and needed
Hey Jonny you should do a video on inflated triple doubles
One of my regrets as grown up is "Not having a chance to witness Tim Duncan. Growing up in India in late 90's and early 2000's. Wehn internet was luxury and basketball community would only talk about the world renowned greats I.e Jordan and Kobe. And since I was not athletically gifted being Kobe or Jordan was impossible. If only I would have known about The Big Fundamental. I would have model my game after him. Instead of trying to use my body at above its capacity and having "No more basketball" injury at age 15 and leave the sport forever.
Career in basketball was never something I wanted. I would have liked to make it to Nationals championship once. I think with Tim Duncan's methodology it would have been definitely possible.
4th best player ever imo
I can't put over magic
Top 5 by posistion
F P ?
@@nbabackcourtmedia top 5
Pg Magic
Sg Mj
Sf Bron
Pf Duncan
C Kareem
F P
PG Magic
SG MJ
SF Bird
PF Duncan
C Kareem
Duncan's near quadruple double in the Finals is the single best performance I've ever seen by a basketball player
Pls, do one "How Good Was Dirk Nowitzki"
Please don't! Another boring basketball player,
@@thaat1 OK, kid. Basketball isn't for you. I got it. Go play some League of Legends or Minecraft, it's the perfect type of game to match your peanut brain IQ. Good luck!
@@Tesse29 Tall white guy with a midrange shot...zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Nowitzki would have been the cat's meow in the sock hop 50's... him George Mikan, and Vern Mikkelsen.....
Kevyn Diniz 🤣
Thanks for your Series 😃
OLD MAN RIVER WALK!
He was "THE" POWER FORWARD in the age of power forwards/big men. He either defeated and dominated every big man that he faced in the regular season, post season, pre season, and off season. He went through KG, Shaq, C-Webb, Dirk, AD, Ben n Rasheed Wallace, Blake Griffin n DeAndre Jordan, McDyees, Marcus Camby, Pau n Mark Gasol, Yao Ming, K-Mart, STAT, Carlos Boozer, Elton Brand, Birdman, Big Shot Bob, Z-Bo. Give the man his props because he had a lot of competition during those 19 years.
Best power forward ever and 8th best player ever in my opinion
Prime vs prime kg is better
This was by far the most persuasive GOAT argument of the 9. Previous to this video Duncan isn't someone I would have even considered in the debate, great way to cap off the series! I personally still give the title to MJ as well, mostly because I think the title of GOAT has more to do with the zeitgeist of basketball than anything else. Jordan dominated the last era of the TV centralized household. Basketball fan or not, chances are someone was forcing the family to watch those games, forcing everyone to watch Jordan dominate. Most importantly Jordan just looked beautiful doing it in a way that few players do. It's beyond Basketball as the game, Jordan for better or worse, deserved or not, he's the spirit of the dunk. Others certainly do it, did it and will do it better than him, but when a normal person thinks of dunking, dunking ANYTHING really, they think Jordan. While I'm not convinced he'll hold that greatness forever, that's greatness you can't quantify.
Damn, Duncan is more of a GOAT than Kobe and Lebron
Mllr hr Nope. His singular greatness cannot be denied but he played in perhaps the greatest all time SYSTEM and played with several HOF caliber players......
Mushroom Classic the ENTIRE roster on EVERY team Tim played on was “ASTUTE” and you can thank Pop and his system for that, BUT, along with those “astute” players were Robinson, Ginobli, and Parker.......ALL HOF’ers. I agree with you on the Lebron point but nevertheless Timmy D is NOT better than Kobe, MJ Magic, Bird, The Dream, Wilt, or even Lebron when you consider ALL factors. He is however the undisputed greatest PF
And u are more of an idiot than anybody I have ever came across.
J B him being the CENTERPIECE of the system and him being THE system are two different things dumbass. Talk to me when you learn a little more basketball
I can watch this GOAT list again and again, thanks Jonny for this...
The greatest power forward.. ever. . yes. Even better than Garnette
*Garnett
Not even close.
Garnett is in the top 10. But closer to 10 than he is to 5.
@@jrsmith1998 He's inarguably in the top 5. Duncan, Malone, Barkley, Garnett, Dirk. Everyone after that isn't on the same level as those 5.
That was bill russel finals stats right there
Duncan never went to another team just to win a title. He fought a hard competation in a stock Western Conference unlike the fake proclaim goat in LeBoom who teamed up with the two best player in the East to win a championship without any hard competation in the East.
Lmao Bosh was a top player when he couldn't even win a round in the weak east?
Bosh was a pretty good player but he can't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Tim
Amazing video bro ! Keep em coming !
I have Duncan over lebron in my top 5
Whats there 2 argue. Man if we get 2 the thick of it. Lbj is low n my all time list. Personally I think prime Wade is Better.
The most underrated power forward ever. His quiet demeanor, and his great time management coach popovich. Duncan" big fundamental" is GOAT worthy.
Hes in my top 6 players of all time 💪🏽💪🏽
5 for me
wow that's high praise coming from a Lakers fan. Just assuming, based on your profile pic. Who is your top 6?
That San Antonia team was one the the greatest of all time and is underrated. They were very close to have a long dynasty. They were coached to sacrifice individual stats for team success and this contributes to thier individual players being rated lower on all-time lists.
As a Spurs fan, I love Timmy, but I wouldn’t say he’s the GOAT. Although I believe he has about the same, if not a better, resume as LeBron. I rank him top 10, arguably top 5. And you could argue he’s better than Kobe
Yarnball G no you couldn’t. 81 pts. Let shaq stay with Kobe and he’s getting more than 5 rings
Lone Wolf exactly with shaq with him being a second option kobe was never better Timmy
Lil Dino shaq didn’t win until Kobe. You Forgot about the years with the magic and shaq had penny. Still didn’t win
Lone Wolf Look I’m not saying Timmy is better than Kobe, because even I don’t believe he is, but you could make a strong argument. Timmy is a 2x MVP, 5x Champ, 3x Finals MVP, 15x All-Star, All-Star Game MVP, Rookie of the Year, 8x NBA All-Defensive 1st Team, 7x NBA All-Defensive 2nd Team, and a 15x All-NBA member. While Kobe is a MVP, 5x Champ, 2x Finals MVP, 18x All-Star, 4x All-Star Game MVP, 2x Scoring Champ, 15x All-NBA member, 9x All-Defensive 1st Team, and a 3x All-Defensive 2nd Team. I would say it’s pretty even on the accolades part, but accolades aren’t everything. I still believe Kobe to be the better player, but you’re lying if you say you can’t compare 2 of the top 10 players of all time.
Yarnball G even without accolades Tim is still the more efficient player, has more IQ, is a selfless player, and extremely skilled at everything he did Kobe is not better than Timmy to me at least and definitely ranks higher then him on a GOAT list
7:11 love that side-eye staredown lol he woulda had big numbers and stayed in his prime for a few more years if he didn't sacrifice numbers same time he sacrificed money. He's smart he knew their chances were better if he deferred a little to the other prime talent on the team
Bro, you convinced me in every single video from this series! It would be nice to have one for CARMELO ANTHONY, tho
Melo doesnt have a case for goat
The Hank Aaron of Basketball:
Meaning he never wowed you wit overwhelming inflated STATS. But in the end he would end up being a 5X NBA Champion 3X FMVP an a 2X MVP while being the best PF of ALL-TIME. That's the real GREATNESS of Tim Duncan.
Tim Duncan Underrated Overrated he's your favorite player to Overrate his Underrated status in the NBA
facts
i had a seizure reading that
Duncan is phenomenal and is personally in my top 10. However is goat status takes a hit as his spurs had continued success as he got older and took on a smaller role, they continued to win even after losing Duncan, Kawhi, Manu, AND Parker....so alot of his success gets shared with the great coach popovich and the spurs entire organization.
Love me some Timmy and the medias disrespect on him is outrageous for sure, he defitnitely belongs in the convo. Great video
Underrated, better than lebron
Better than Kobe also
@@marquismccullum6592 don't know about that one Chief
@@brandonw6139 more mvps and more finals mvps than Kobe
@@marquismccullum6592 by 1?for both
@@marquismccullum6592 Duncan isn't even a top 5 centre and Kobe is the second greatest shooting guard
Great job, love this video
He's in my top 10-15. I could go as high as 7 or so.
He does have a cool story. He was on his way to becoming an Olympic swimmer until a hurricane destroyed the island's only Olympic size swimming pool. He turns to basketball at 14 and the rest is history
Tim Duncan and Gregg Popovich were meant for each other because Tim got the coach and team environment that he needed from Pop and Pop got the star that was willing to let Pop coach the way that he needed to.
He won championship in only his second season and should of been regular season MVP over Karl Malone
Him and Kareem are always forgotten when it comes to the GOAT debate..
the plight of the bigman. A good big man will dominate both sides of the ball and be forgotten after the game cos some 6'6 guard did a cross over.
@@TheH3dgie WoAh He MaDe A 3 PoInTeR!!!!! Meanwhile the bigman has something like 40 points 20 rebounds 5 assists and 10 blocks lol. I want the dominate bigman to come back to the nba...
Great video Jonny, on a underated great....you made a good case for Duncan being in the endless debate about the G.O.A.T.
Great breakdown.
Amazing video
I mean he’s 5 for 6, never won under 50 games and had a Finals series where he averaged 24 points 17 rebounds 5 assists and 5 blocks...ive never seen anything like that in my life. He’s a PF and that’s really not seen as a star position, and he was as fun as watching grass grow for a casual fan-but he’s clearly in my top ten. I got him in there instead of Bill Russel. Can’t really put him above the other guys.
In my opinion, the best metric to use to determine GOATness, is MVP award shares
. It basically is how many MVP votes a player gotten in their career, and it's extremely accurate at ranking the top 50ish players.
Here are the top 15 player all time according to MVP award shares:
Michael Jordan
LeBron James
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Bill Russell
Shaquille O'Neal
Karl Malone
Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Wilt Chamberlain
Julius Erving
James Harden
Kevin Durant
David Robinson
The only obvious issue with this ranking that I see is that Wilt and Kobe should be higher. Another thing to note is that Lebron is extremely close to catching up with Jordan, and after this season he will almost certainly be ranked first.
Malone over Duncan. Child please.
I think Tim is the best argument against the whole GOAT discussion. He was so fundamentally efficient at both ends of the court that he almost flew beneath the radar. I have a basket of GOATs and Duncan is one of them. It doesn't really make sense to pick one of them.
It’s just great for ppl to finally recognize true greatness
My favorite player ever and my GOAT for sure. He was the definition of team player.
The Greatest Power forward To Ever Play The Game (Tim the big fundamental Duncan)
You can add a 11 more to the GOAT series tbh. In no particular order, Juluis Erving, George Mikan, Rick Barry, Moses Malone, Hakeem Oloujawan, Shaquille O'Neal, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robertson, John Havlicek, & Bob Cousy.
Tim Duncan
1st round pick by San Antonio Out of Wake Forest in 97
97/98 ROTY
5x Champion
3x Finals MVP
2x league MVP
Team USA 🇺🇸 🥉 🥇🥇
2003 Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the year
15x All-Defense
2000 All-Star Game co-MVP ⭐️
18x All-Star ⭐️
10× All-NBA First Team
3× All-NBA Second Team
2× All-NBA Third Team
1996/97 NCAA player of the year ⛹️
2x ACC Player of the year
Consensus All-America 2x in college
One of the very rare occasions that the number 1 pick panned out well, because the Spurs know how to take good care of their players
Timmy is underrated for two major reasons.
1. He shied away form the media and avoided becoming a celerity at all costs. In a bigger market or with a bigger personality he'd be easily up there with Shaq and Kobe in public perception.
2. He focused more on the team winning and didn't score more than he had too. He was capable of averaging 30+ points during his prime, but never cared too. So his numbers are kind of underwhelming compared to other GOAT candidates.
The man won 5 rings and was a clutch 3 from 6-0 and had a quadruple double in a finals clinching game. Def should be in the GOAT convo
Your Wilt Chamberlain and Lebron videos gave me a different perspective about both players. You did a very good job with all, but those 2 gave me the most to think about. However, MJ is the G.O.A.T. to me, but I love the nuance videos on all 9 players. Please, keep the good work!
If I had to pick a team for the judgement day matchup, Duncan will be, justifiably, my first pick.
Hakeem should be your final GOAT video. He would give anybody on this list an absolute nightmare anywhere even close to the paint on offense, nobody could guard him, he moved his feet and stole the ball like a big guard, and he was a defensive god.
Dream should've been on this list before LeBron Kobe & Duncan tbh. He's literally the guy who gave 1 on 1 footwork and post moves coaching to quite a few of those guys in the next era, including Kobe and Lebron.
And he whipped Kareem in the middle of the Lakers championship 80's dynasty in 1986 to go to the finals in only his sophomore year. He had played basketball for just 7 years in his entire life. That's probably what is most impressive about his career to me. He wasn't even close to his prime. That Lakers team literally had 2 players on ANYBODY'S top 10 list, Magic and Kareem. And Olajuwon was dominant in knocking them out in FIVE games in the 1986 WCF.
I actually looked up that series just now, because I didn't know the numbers off the top of my head. Here are the averages from the '86 WCF:
Hakeem:
31.0 points
11.2 rebounds
2.0 assists
2.2 steals
4.0 blocks
FG% .520
Offensive rebounds: 27
Kareem:
27.0 points
6.8 rebounds
3.4 assists
0.8 steals
2.4 blocks
FG% .496
Offensive rebounds: 12
That's an ass-wooping. The Lakers won it all in both of the following seasons as well, so obviously Kareem was still playing championship level basketball. Hakeem just cooked him. Lol. Sampson was hurt by 87, and it is a team sport after all, so, Hakeem was left without much help until Kenny the Jet, Robert Horry, and Vernon Maxwell started to jive together in the early 90's.
No.6 all time for me but as my home town team, hes my favorite player ever.
Agreed.
Duncan's playoff records are also ridiculous. He's number 1 all time in blocks and double doubles during the playoffs. He's number 3 all time in the playoffs for rebounds after Russell and Chamberlain. He's number 1 all time in total minutes played in the playoffs. He's number 6th all time in total points in the playoffs.
Great video and I agree 100% that Duncan is among the greatest of all time.
The argument can always be made for any position but how can you deny his stats and consistency?
MJ is the universal GOAT but Duncan is one of the best power forwards or centers without a doubt.
I would rank Duncan as my second favorite player of all time behind MJ.