Tokenism & Tokenization Explained
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Hilariously, this was made before the Tim Drake tokenzation.
They should play this in the theaters before every marvel and dc film.
*_"Ironic" - Palpatine_*
Tim Drake the LGBTQP+ representative?
Gotta say I think Mr Terrific maybe the best tokenized character.
Before they tokenized Tim? You don't need to be a prophet to predict stupidity and wokeness.
As a black guy myself I’m sick with the hand me downs give me original black characters it’s literally not that hard.
Apparently it is when you don't have a Shut up Originality or talent
Its like getting hand me downs from your Uncle/Aunt.
**cough** snowflakes & safe spaces **cough**
@@luonganh9213 We don't accept those two dumpster fires lol
@@bIoodybatons a very woke attempt, and it didn't even came out lol.
You're allowed to like a tokenised character but it doesn't make them a non-token.
But is their a difference between a tokenized character that works vs a character that is blantanly pandering? You can’t seriously say that a character like miles morales is the same as the new snake eyes movie. Which may I remind you got changed to an Asian when in fact being a white guy within Japan was a whole plot point for him. At least Miles dynamic could in theory work.
@@DrawinskyMoon Doesn't matter if it works or not, it is still tokenised.
@@DrawinskyMoon Both are bad but Snake Eyes is probably worse.
@@DrawinskyMoon It's like how different cancers range in severity. It's still cancer.
@@duncanmcokiner4242
Accurate, but a morbid comparison.
I remember an early Miles Morales comic where he said he doesn't want to be remembered as the black Spiderman.
Marvel forgot about that comic apparently.
I miss that Miles
If he existed already, then you realize how redundant and stupid that comes off as don’t you?
@@iloathepeoplewhorestilltal2774 I know he was still a token from inception, but people actually liked him because he was a good character early on, not because he was black or latino.
Maybe he should've chose a different name than
Now he has his own clone saga fighting the evil Selim...... amazing how bad the character is after you move from Spiderverse.
Perfect breakdown that can be shared with people outside the comic fandom. Too many people don't get what it is and how it ruins everything. Nice one
True
@Armando Rangel Perfect example: Anita 'FemFreq' Sarkesian herself threw a fit when Joss Whedon announced he wanted to reboot Buffy the Vampire slayer as a black woman.
Lol there is an idiot out there who made a response video saying that the arguement is lazy.
@@justaregularguy1118 ?
I find it so strange that whenever a character is tokenized their typical response is "finally" as if it was inevitable and necessary. They never say this when a new character is created.
THIS!
Whenever someone says "The first X in Y" my first thought is usually "Hold on wasn't that done years ago?", and sure as the sun rising in the morning someone decided to just ignore a prior accomplishment. Here's a recent example, Alex Scott recently (and falsely) claimed to be the first female commentator for a FIFA game, hoping that nobody remembered Julie Foudy being the commentator for FIFA 2000.
Y also becomes increasingly specific to where the one making the claim should be given a medal for throwing goalposts.
@@RianQuenlin kinda like how Black Panther was the first movie with a black lead...who's a superhero...from Marvel...if you don't count Blade. Blade 2. Or Blade 3. Groundbreaking stuff.
@@fabiangermanic1148 Or Star Trek claiming to have its first "nonbinary character", regardless of your opinion of DS9 the episode Cogenitor already did that.
@@RianQuenlin haha I didn't even know that, since I'm not a Trekie guy at all so I don't even follow it, but you know what, someone should make like a supercut of all the times that kinda thing has happened. It would be 8 hours long.
This shit is edited flawlessly, you should do more like it
I know...was a really nice break from the original way its done. I liked the repetition with Superman spouting "facts" in that one picture.
I think a lot of work goes into the editing process and as we know Eric is a busy dude, but I appreciated the format and editing of this video too. Short and sweet gets the point across and doesnt drag. Very shareable.
I’d only add one thing,
“if your primary reason or even only reason for creating (changing) characters, then you’re clearly like they’re already doing it for the wrong reasons.”
At least that’s how I view, because all the current Woman movies have to really heavily push the feminist agenda, but when you go back and you watch the classic Charlies angels, kill Bill, Kim possible, heck even total spies I remember watching all of those shows and movies and enjoying them so much of course they were all women focused shows some more than others (Total Spies).
Yeah yeah yeah more more 😋😋😋😋😋
Yeah make videos pandering to white supramolecular with cool edits
Imagine how cool original superheroes would be. 😩
Yeah but that kind of takes Originality and work
Exactly
@@derrickcrawford1081 unlike that shitstorm marvel tried to hand us in their nu warriors (edit: snowpants, safeway, fat back pack girl, internet gas boy, and grandson of blade).
They don't even need to create original characters. There are a lot of diverse forgotten characters that were created over the years. They could just take one of these forgotten characters and upgrade them a little. No need to change already established characters.
@@arradon2825 Rocket Racer would fit in perfectly now. Make him an anti hero
Well said. Jane Foster's "Mighty Thor" is probably the best example of tokenism in comics, literally taking the man's name as her own.
Can't wait to see your original work. Lord knows we'll need it to offset the rampant repurposing in mainstream entertainment today.
Right? He was literally BORN with the name Thor. And the enchantment says "Weild the power OF Thor." Not "Become Thor"
@@ORIGINALFBI Exactly. Thor is his name, not a damn mantle.
I guess if Shuri becomes the next "Black Panther" and queen of Wakanda, she must be a tokenized character of the original Black Panther TChalla cause he is a Straight Black Male character
@@bryangosling2238 That I would disagree with because Black Panther was literally made as a mantel.
@@ORIGINALFBI yet Shuri has almost the same power skill sets as TChalla and same armor too, hard to refute that she is tokenized if they don't branch out of her character and this comes off as the same "Mantle" argument Eric mention last time with Falcon becoming "Cap" as if it is just a mantle, so ima disagree with you there...
Falcon was tokenized while he's was being Captain America. They made Falcon a Latino teenager.
A token of a token inside a token? That's some 4D chess shit going on there
Damm
@@DrakeKnight99TOKEN-CEPTION
Yup but many enjoyed it. The big wigs not listening to these cries. They fall over def ears. They see you as the minority. They told you time and time again. It’s been a while now. Until they see you as the majority this will continue. It’s that simple
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 wasn't that storyline where Sam Wilson becomes cap got not-so-good reception?
Had marvel named Jane Foster something OTHER than Thor, there would have been ZERO ISSUE
Throg :)
Would've been less of an issue but still, not only tokenised but replaced the original.
@@thewilhelmscream7912 Sir please put the frog down and stop dressing him up as Thor your scaring the kids at the zoo.
@@SlimSamari I say thee NAY!!!!
@@thewilhelmscream7912 That's it security!
5:40 Valkyrie: Because, apparently ancient Norse mythology automatically means random brown girl with a drinking problem
Yeah, and the actress who said she hated whites and didn't want to work with them. And who also praised Cuties, calling the film stunning and brave.
@@Counterbalance_ Wow that's messed up, and ironic considering who made the character in the first place..
@@ninjatortise8958 , more than the character. Cinematography, art, entertainment industry, acting as we know it, all that film-making technology. as well as technology she has no trouble using. She's only happy to erase and replace a Norse character out of spite.
@@Counterbalance_ that isn't what she said at all, wtf? She actually said that she wants to work on sets that have diversity. With lots of different types of people with unique backgrounds and inputs. Saying “I want diversity” isn't equivalent to saying “I hate white people”. For fucks sake.
@@Counterbalance_ When did she do that?
Well said man. It's so crazy to see how far the idea that you can't relate to heroes that don't look like you has gone. Im a Palestinian guy with a batman sleeve tattoo but I guess I don't REALLY see myself in Bruce Wayne.
I love Wolverine. And I'm a female! Can I not love Wolverine? He's been a high selling character for a long time. X-32 is not. I just don't find much to relate to.
Exactly, i mean...
Yeah, sometimes a character of same race or gender or even preference can be more "close" to you, but make them their own thing.
Im a mexican (white but btw) and i see El Tigre and i loved it, yes, being brown, being called Manny Rivera and being on a City like the CDMX made him feel more close to me, but at least he is his own thing...
Its not a mexican Spider-Man or even Blue Beetle (a mexican Hero but on other country) he was...
EL TIGRE.
Want diversity? Create it with coherency!!
Its not the same Black Panther to putting Black ppl on Frozen, it needs to be coherent... If not, u will never solve the problem.
@@TheRisky9 Storm os one of my favorite X-Men and she is a Black woman...
YES, if i was like her i could feel more inspired by her but that dont put away i like her leadership and heroism.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with a Palestinian man being a fan of Bruce Wayne/Batman. I am a fan of John Stewart's Green Lantern and I am a white male. Heroes don't have to look like us in order for us to be their fans.
I'm a straight white male that loves Spawn/Al Simmons, an original black character. I also love Blade. Both are just plain badass and was handled really well. As far as I know there was no political shit mixed in to their stories, and that's why it works.
Much needed conversation!
I think that theres a line though between tolerable Tokenization and blatant Tokenization (or maybe softcore vs hardcore). A female Robin would be considered softcore as its a mantle many have held with the main thing being that Robin is Batman’s sidekick. Heck, Carlie Kelley is Robin in arguably one of Batman’s most famous comics, and you brought up Stephanie Brown. There have been multiple characters that it has gone through and unlike Batman, you’d get different answers to which Robin is the definitive Robin. Batgirl would also be a genderswap done right because she isn’t overtaking Batman’s mantle (if anything Batwoman is), and she is a side kick that was created as an original character with depth despite being inspired from Batman (Supergirl less so since it retconned his parents sending only him out into space) Black Wally West and Nick Fury however would be considered Hardcore, where the characters is actually completely changed for absolutely no reason. Nick Fury only got away with it because hes played by SLJ
I agree with you. Tokenization is not always a problem (but most of the time in current times).. And I think it's because of the WHY they tokenize.
In the past, it was more to write more stories. It was not because the main goal was to write an "empowered female robin"... But to write a different kind of story with a female character that happens to be Robin. Those character often start as tokens, but outgrowth their role when they are developed well (because the writers care about them, they don't create them just for pandering) As you said, Stephanie became spoilers leaving Batman, Batgirl became Oracle, etc.
Nowadays, we all know why they tokenize characters And we all know it's not because they want to write better or new stories..
@@ChristDuque Stephanie Brown is a perfect example of this. She was supposed to be just a single, incidental character, but the idea of the daughter of a criminal becoming a crimefighter was an intriguing one by itself and the character did make a good first impression. I have that 3 part series.
I like to use Cassandra Cain as an example. Barbara Gordon as Batgirl was from the generation before, so I grew up with Cass. She wasn't just an Asian version of Barbara Gordon. She was her own unique character with her own unique difficulties. She didn't even follow the "smart Asian girl" trope as she was illiterate! That way, despite her amazing martial arts skills, Cassandra Cain still had things she could believably feel insecure about. Scenes where she's desperately trying to learn to read are particularly powerful and speaks to anyone with a learning disability.
I agree. Batgirl/woman and Supergirl are tokens, but are examples of good tokens, they became their own characters, had their own arcs, we care about them because of their struggles, and moments where they needed to figure things out on their own. Riri Williams, one of the worst examples of Token, shes black, why? because, shes some how more intelligent than Iron man, why? because, shes the bestest ever why? Because.
@@isacctavares1368 All they had to do with Riri Williams.. is to make her the daughter of Tony Stark.. I mean.. He slept around so much during his early days.. That it will not surprise anyone that he got someone pregnant at a party. I mean.. we even have the black single mom stereotype too.. so it would have been plausible, and would have been an interesting story. I really though they were gonna go with that at first and it would explain why she is so intelligent and has an affinity with Stark Tech.. But no.. Writers have gone no where.. (But to be honest, I gave up on those comics after a time and didn't read recent ones.. maybe there was news on that front?)
@@isacctavares1368 how are Batgirl and Supergirl token characters and the Robin's aren't they're literally the exact same premise
What aggravates me the most is that there are tons of characters in the back catalogue of both DC and Marvel that are gathering dust. These characters some of which are characters of colour eg. Steel, living lightning, shaman, are in real need of writer's that will give them stories that can bring them to fore front of people's attention.
'But we have to tokenize. All the best superhero characters were already created'
*laughs in Milestone*
*laughs harder in manga*
Funny how they think creativity peaked with white characters, isn't it?
@@Metatarsus0 I swear to God racism has just mutated to be either white people being super patronizing or else non-white people acting envious nd having little self-respect.
Meanwhile, the proof is in the pudding. The number of black, Latino or just not white people readers and fans of Peter Parker is clearly waaaaaaaay higher than those of Miles Morales or oher tokenized Spider people.
And I'd be willing to wager more women and gay people like Batman than Batwoman too.
@@227060 Miles also has a vocal portion of overt racists in his fanbase too. You don't really see cabals of bigots brow beating people like they do in the fandoms for non tokenized and non woke pandering stuff. So yeah definitely with you on racism mutating into wokism. I'd actually go a step further and say it's more of a rebranding than a mutation, same degenerates just using a different mask.
@@GodOfOrphans
Honestly, I suspect African American comic book readers overwhelmingly prefer to read about Peter over Miles anyway. Of course there are some who will like both, but like Peter has more black readers I'd b willing to wager than Miles has. Peter also probably has more white, Latino, Asian, Indian, etc readers too.
Spawn is the best example of how a non tokenized character works well.
Don't forger old school Static Shock, Black Panther, Luke Cage, Bane, Black Lightning and Mr Terrific.
@@thomassilva9892 don't forget icon and cyborg
How to write minority characters
Write normal good characters and don't give a shit about if they are black or aren't straight
Ta daa!
How to write minority characters
Write normal good characters and don't give a shit about if they are black or aren't straight
Ta daa!
@@thomassilva9892 old static was THE SH*T!!!
I don't care what anyone says, Superman pointing at me at telling me stuff is great.
Exactly! I'm stealing that meme lol
It’s up to YOU…to stop tokenization is comic books 🤣.
Haha!!! Facts
This man is a legend,very few comic book readers actually care about well written in depth characters and a interesting convincing original story,everybody just accepts any trash fire the comic book industry makes like "I am not Starfire" instead of telling all this comic writers to get a grip and learn to write a good story with original characters for once.
Buddy, i don't care about that comic book.
I fuckin adore Spawn, love how his cloak can shift into almost anything, the movie made me only want to know more which led me to the animation and so on... There's just no passion for making characters anymore, I guess. Thank you for this video!
Spawns awesome and is only made even more awesome by Keith David voicing him. I have no idea why they don't do more with that series but it feels like such a missed opportunity.
@@megasoniczxx I heard they might be doing a movie, but from the police's perspective? I'm not sure if I actually like the idea of the cops perspective because I just love Spawn's storyline and to see him struggle through all the shit thrown at him, but we'll see. For now, I'll just rewatch the animated series~ lol
@@Lyssasarus Not too sure if i'm sold on that idea myself either. I could see them trying to make it out as him being some force of nature and having the audience feel what other people feel when they see him but i'd rather just have a movie that's from his perspective. Like you said though, we'll see.
Hey, anybody realising how DC is trying to turn Dick Grayson black recently. I mean the Earth One version of him is black and the 89 comic book version is also black.
Tune in next time for more of The adventures of mermaid Man and barnacle boy
I’ll be honest, I completely blocked that out from my memory.
hes also bisexual now
I mean the Batman 89 Robin was black since Tim Burton wanted Marlon Wayans to play him in both Batman Returns and Batman Forever. But Dick Grayson was always white and I’m alright with that. As long as the storylines doesn’t center around Dick Grayson being black and struggles with it.
@@InitialPC that’s Tim Drake
I think another good example is the guy who worked on MOTU Revelation claiming no one would accept original Black characters so they *HAD* to Blackwash a White character. (Andra)
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That says more about his writing talent than anything.
I remember reading a Nintendo Power interview where someone said new Pokémon don't really look like Pokémon at first, but they're designed to grow on you over time. I think a similar principle applies here.
@Yung Murk That's because the original Issac was trash he was only around in Curse of Darkness just to bring Dracula back. Yet it was a redhead getting replaced by black person trope. Yet they did make him a better character.
@Yung Murk Andra kinda stayed meh in both. Since they time skipped a lot of Andra. That show has problems due to the pacing is garbage and the use of time skips ruined anything the did from ep 1
@Yung Murk comparing Isaac to Andra isn't a good idea Isaac is a well written character with actual development, Andra is just a race swap with no personality she's as likeable as teela playing the whole back woman card isn't going to work
Speaking about tokenization, how about in the Thor movies, Idris Elba played the rainbow bridge guardian, who in the norse legends was called THE WHITEST OF THE NORSE GODS 😂😂🤣😂🤣😂
They did that on purpose😂🍻
To be fair, there is so many differences between actual Norse Mythology and Marvel's Norse Mythology that a black version of a white god shouldn't really be surprising. Like the fact that in Norse Myth, Thor couldn't fly by himself and had red hair instead of blonde, there was no "Odinforce", and Thor needed special gauntlets of strength to lift his hammer instead of some "worthy" enhancement. That one change is completely inconsequential to the comic book butchering of those stories. It kinda reminds me of when people talk about how Kratos wasn't in actual Greek Myth(yes I know he was a god but it wasn't the same character), but with how different the God of War games actually are to the source, I don't see how people only highlight one inconsistency.
I'm pretty sure the word "white" in that context is referencing purity or honesty. Still if the gods where real he would have looked like a standard European.
@@utopian4769 all of that is true, but leftists view race as a fundamental component of a person or characters dna and storyline. I would point to miles morales as a pretty blatant example of them doing that, because it is the same character, almost identical powers, with the only real plot and character divergence being hinged 100% on race. so the whiteness of a mythological man is a key component of who he is, according to their own formulas of character development. Red vs blonde hair, or magic gauntlets vs a moral virtue that enables his abilities are more of what makes him a superhero in the comic rather than a direct representation of the god in Norse mythology, and ties him into the superhero category nicely, as morals and virtue are a key component of what makes someone a superhero. A race swap though, specifically from “the whitest of the gods” to black, is a deliberate move to remove some whiteness from the story, and shouldn’t be ignored or brushed off. It’s a break from the established formula of character development, just to make it okay to turn a character black, and would never be accepted if the races were reversed. Imagine the outrage if a key wakandan leader was turned white, with no explanation.
@Joe Doe thor was a red head and had goats and gauntlets and the goats could pull his carriage he also ate the goats and they just receive so yeah marvel has never been accurate to norse mythology
I soooooooooo want them to post in the comments to hear their whining.
Will be just as creative as the tokenized characters they enjoy so much.
Great job bro. Hitting the nail right on the head.
This... this was beautiful.
Please do more videos like that, Rippa!
Can’t wait to by your stuff. Haven’t read an actual comic in 20 years but ready to support you!
Thank you for this video!
Eric, keep breaking it down man. People need to understand this. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for all you do man.
Im so glad you back to making comic videos again
A vidoe we much needed to see.
Thank you for this explanation that I can share with some of my friends who don't understand my anger when facing this curse !
this was very well done, and explains it well. i enjoyed where you talked about original characters
thats what we need more of these days
Damn! I just finished hearing some of the songs of your band BackWordz, you got yourself a new fan
Everyone who works for Marvel and DC should be required to watch this. Bravo YoungRippa59 👏🏿💯
Man this video made my morning. You explained Tokinzation clean, simple to the point and with little regard for the weirdo’s fee fee’s. Mad respect Mr. July.
Great presentation. Thx for helping to ground out this bizarre era in comic/pop-culture. Been enjoying your vids more than the works themselves.
Man I really appreciate these edited videos 🙏
This was very educational, now I can tell the difference when I am out in the comic wilderness.
I appreciate you showing Spawn, who is wrecking DC and Marvel solo right now.
Thank you for making this. I made a note of the link and will be sharing it when I find it
Thank you for the explanation, YoungRippa! ^^
I actually was pretty curious about the definition of Tokenization in the context it’s usually used in these videos, since it’s actually one of those terms I’ve heard bounced around a bit and it’s meaning therefore can get a bit skewed. So this video was pretty informative to that end
Same, I always thought the word "token" was the coin you insert in arcade machines. That's how my parents call it here.
This is hitting the nail on the head, with the sledgehammer known as FACTS and LOGIC.
This is an awesome video. I'll definitely going to share this around.
This was a great little video, Eric. I don't know if you're planning on making more videos in this format, but this is an awesome format and the way you make it is creative and enjoyable to watch.
And apparently, this is, even more, apply if the original character is redhead, then comes to me a question, they are changing redhead characters for black ones to "represent minorities" but redheads are a minority, so this means that Hollywood found a new group of people to harass and oppress because they cannot do it anymore with black people?
Hypocrisy and irony at its finest lmao
Since redheads are a smaller minority, I wonder if they just can't find enough redhead actors to play roles? Some people would dye their hair or wear wigs, so is that the same as blackface?
Honestly as a ‘white’ man, I am super interested in being introduced to new or established original characters that may be of color. Honestly I don’t care, I’m not a Japanese but samurai shit is cool as fuck! I think the media tries to use window dressing to appeal to the lowest IQ of us.
Excellent video Eric! This needs to be seen by all of the execs at Disney and WB/DC.
These are Eric best videos..when breaking it down...We appreciate your work sir..😁😁😁
Thanks for this breakdown. I became really aware of this when they made Miles Morales years ago and we were peppered with headlines like "Spiderman is Black Now!" Didn't help my suspicions of the situation when people were saying "oh they drew him to look like a young Obama, that's so cool". So making this video and breaking it down like this is really helpful.
This needs to be taught in schools. Thanks Rippa.
Thank you so much for putting this in into words.
this video was smooth, good job man :)
Its plagerism thru and thru... great discussion Eric
Yup! When you really think about it, they’re just taking credit for someone else’s work. Palette swapping and gender-bending an already character existing character isn’t groundbreaking new. It’s boring!
"But is a mantle."
I really loved this vídeo. For modern writters making good original characters is hard, is much easier just take a established character and tokenize it
Unfortunately, though if you actually took afew hours or days to think about design, personality, powers and world it's not too hard.
Reimagining preexisting character is not a bad thing. Cuz everyone has other vison on a character that doesn't invalidate the original vision
Does that mean Shuri is an exception? Lol tokenized version of TChalla as Black Panther as a female version....isn't Black Panther just a "Mantle" as people like to say? That's the ongoing debate people are saying about the mcu adaptation for Black Panther 2 Wakanda Forever to put shuri in to replace TChalla cause it is just a "Mantle"
@@bryangosling2238 She could be an exception like you stayed in your comment the title of Black panther is just a mantle I think people say it's Tokenized since she is a female character other than that she is straight and black like her brother TChalla
@@thebean6496 yeah, but thing is, she hasn't stayed for BP for too long, similarly to Falcon as captain America, so there is a strong argument to say Shuri is a tokenized version of TChalla as BP, but meh,
This is the best Young Rippa video to date.
Not sure why I'm just coming across your content, but after watching this.. subbed and queing up the rest.
Logic. Facts. Concerned about preserving what's not broken.. hell yes.
Supergirl in the comics is so different from Superman. So I think that is fine. Same with Batwoman and Batgirl.
And occasionally a "tokenisation" is good. I think Martian Manhunter works much better as a 'black man' when he takes a human form.
They don't care that it is lazy, or just gives certain groups "sloppy seconds " as representation.
It isn't really about representation at all. It is about removing whites, especially white males, off the screen or page.
removing white males? why?
@@FlyLikeAirplaneKnows The Left has been pushing the narrative that whites are intrinsically racist oppressors.
They have been working to get whites out of colleges, workplaces, media, and remove whites as the majority of the country.
I can't speak to motivation behind it, because I don't know what is in their heads, only what they do and say.
Authoritarians always require a scapegoat for the failure of their ideology, and this time it is whites, especially straight white males.
@@jasonwright8546 i see. so you’d say straight white males are being oppressed?
@@FlyLikeAirplaneKnows I would say they are being villainized/ dehumanized.
One example among many of this is the school book called "Not my Idea: A Book About Whiteness," in which the devil approaches the main character with a "Contract Binding you to Whiteness."
The imaginary terms offer "stolen land," "stolen riches" and "special favors." It adds that "WHITENESS gets" "your soul" and "to mess endlessly with the lives of your friends, neighbors, loved ones and all fellow humans of COLOR."
Literally saying that white people have sold their souls to the devil in order to oppress non-whites.
Authoritarian regimes utilize dehumanization to scapegoat a portion of the population, thus creating bifurcation. This allows for oppression to occur, and tends to spread to the majority of the society.
@@jasonwright8546 I understand what you mean. I don’t necessarily agree, but I haven’t experienced what you have so I won’t be so unfair to discredit your views. However, a lot of societal issues in western and non-western countries stem from western imperialism, and currently there’s mass-education taking place about the origins of said issues. Of course, there’s a lot of people taking it too far to where it might even seem like anti-white, but the outrage of those people stems from their own traumas and hardships and unfortunately people project it in that manner, making their mindset no different than racists.
I can definitely understand your viewpoint because of course as diversity grows, the percentage of white people in society also shrinks and with this education about imperialism taking place, it might seem that your race is hated by many. And unfortunately it is the case with plenty of people, but this whole wokeness thing is honestly just mass outrage that stems from centuries-long of oppression in a society that seems to still have problems rooted in the same era from these centuries ago. if you’re open to semi-understanding their side, I can send you some stuff?
Your best video to date Eric ! Awesome !
I really enjoy your videos you're very well informed and very entertaining to listen too. I look forward to your future videos
Holy fuck-balls! This was awesome! From one comic book nerd to another, bravo!
I would honestly love to see Miles shift into her own her and take on a different title. In an older comic he said he didnt want to be known as the black spiderman. Considering his powers he can easily shift out of something not spider themed or related. But he won't. Because as much as I hate to admit it he's a token character and always will be
Another well done video sir. Respect. ✊🏾
Damn. This is one of the best videos of the year by any content creator!
eric july is the champion of creativity and thats problematic in an industry of underpaid "creative teams". cant wait to see his rippaverse concept.
Rippaverse? Is he creating a project?
I can just say that real representation can occur. The Vance family within the game Half life is a good example. They are well defined interesting characters that happened to be of African descent. They even had a game focused around the girl of the family. Their characters fit the theme of a post apocalyptic world and I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Thank you for explaining. I totally agree. Excellent video
This is one of the best videos you have put out. Well done
Great video.
I would say that some characters that were tokenized have gone on to become true fan favorites that have earned their keep despite their tokenized beginnings. Green Lantern John Stewart is a great example.
He might have started out as a token, but he soon became a genuinely well written, fan favorite character that has more than earned his keep. A big part of that was his role in the fantastic DCAU Justice League/Unlimited.
John Stewart is personally my favourite green lantern. He was just a really good character in jlu and the comics.
Great idea 👏🏼👏🏼
I mean to make this video was a great idea 😁 just to be clear
Thank you for this honest definition. 🌟
The best video I've seen in a long time man.
Tokenisation is lazy and disingenuous.
It is the assumption that an original, minority race, female, gay/bisexual character, won't attract an audience on its own, when that is simply not true.
I can understand that a lot of the existing characters have catchy, snappy titles, that are easy to remember and recognise, so using the same name is appealing, but come on, the most memorable and loved ones, are pretty much always the originals.
Whenever I think of anime like Bleach, you had so many beautifully diverse and cool characters, different powers and even when they had the same outfits, they would always have a unique character design to distinguish them as defined personalities. The creativity of it all was amazing, even characters who had minor roles.
SuperWoman's outfit is just a feminised version of SuperMan's, it is boring. Just turning every visible attribute into the opposite, does not an original character make.
I like how the tokenisations seem to think that having, "Black" in the name of the hero, means they ought to be black. Waiting for Yellow Jacket to be turned Asian to really signal how virtuous and not-racist these hacks are.
And that's the heart of the problem: Laziness. It feels like a lot of these tokenized characters exist merely to be a feel good rethinking to attract an audience that may not even exist. One thing you don't do in business is chase away your existing customers for a hypothetical customer base.
Changing your once "very white" ad campaigns for your proven hair oil formula to more diverse ads (ie ones in Spanish or feature black characters in ads) isn't going to chase your white customers away. However, changing the formula to ingredients that promote "black businesses" or refusing to ship to states that voted for Trump, will. And it won't attract enough of a new audience to justify that kind of ultimatum.
Yet this is what the comic book industry is doing all the time. Simple ideas like translating more comics to Spanish for US distribution are overlooked in favor of these huge overhauls and sad attempts at controlling who their customer base is. It reeks of terrible sense of self importance when a person thinks their creation is so amazing, they are actually punishing white supremacists when they say things like, "If you think that George Floyd is anything short of a hero, don't buy my comic!" I guess they don't realize that unless you have the ability to tell someone to "go to hell" you have no room to negotiate. Of course they don't! That quote came from Jordan Peterson and they don't like him. But it also has the benefit of being true.
It's always been about the (awful) creators themselves and not whatever social cause they're signaling about this week.
That's why they're taking the lazy route: it was always about boosting their own ego and profile.
@Yung Murk openly admitting to being a massive and overtly massive racist isn't the hill you want to die on bro
@Yung Murk Since when are assumptions facts?
@Yung Murk Storm?
I think the RippaVerse might be the only universe that will be completely void of tokenized characters. Can't wait to see it. I wouldn't mind seeing more videos like this, either. The editing is on point! Reminds of the Snyder Cut review Rip did a few months back.
Sharing the link now... great stuff!
Thanks for this. I have a feeling I will be linking it in comments.
Mucho Gracious Eric 👏
The whole "team with the same powers as the character" like CWs Flash or that terrible spiderman cartoon waters down the original characters.
Definitely agree, just look at S7 of the Flash and the "Flash Family" and how the show became insufferable because Barry has been put aside for the sake of a bunch of side characters. I don't care about the multitude of relationships between under developed characters, I much prefer the earlier seasons when it was just Joe, Barry, Iris, Cisco, Caitlin, and Wells, the dynamics between them was interesting and the fact they weren't that many characters allowed for them to be more distinct and have time to shine but now the roster is like 15+ people and they want to give time to all of them as if the show isn't called "THE FLASH" 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@MrWordcraft Plus they made Barry the dumbest man alive many of the villains could have been stopped already but no he had to sit around and talk to them and let them get away. Then your watching episodes of Flash trying to stop a flying man with a knife with breathing problems because Baby from the future wanted to go to the amusement park with mom and dad.
@@MrWordcraft They did the same thing with Arrow. They made the main characters play second fiddle to all of the diversity hires.
But the comic book Flash also has a team with the same power though..... But they kinda do their own thing in different parts of the world though.
The Flash Family is an important aspect of the Flash mythos. Simce the Silver Age. Is just that the CW handles it in the worst way possible.
And Spiderman had like 3 clones of himself running around the United States doing their own thing. And that's not including when Miguel O'Hara got stuck in the past. Meaning that at one point we had 6 Spidermen in the comics without overshadowing Peter
But again. The cartoon just handles it in the wrong way.
Awesome stuff as usual. Keep up the great work.
Watching this after work. Can’t wait.
Captain Carer is the most recent example this month
True .That's why I gave that show a pass.
Ironically, Barbara Gordon became untokenized when she was paralyzed and operated as Oracle instead of Batgirl. But then DC returned her to her more “iconic” (AKA, “sells more t-shirts”) status, retokenizing her _and_ losing some of the best diversity representation they’ve ever had.
Do sidekicks count as Tokens tho? I think that was babs purpose as batgirl.
I guess War Machine is a tokenized Iron Man then.
Actually, she isn't tokenized because she's Batgirl not Batman.
Thank you for this.
You are the most honest and transparent person ever!I appreciate you Eric!
Please start making your own comics soon Rippa and give all of us real fans of good comic book material something we can read again.
I've always thought miles morales was a garbage character. To me, Spider-Man will only EVER be Peter Parker
This format is fantastic
You're very bold and courageous to say all these facts nowadays. That's by far the best true explanation I've heard till now. I just hope they don't cancel your channel on RUclips or something bro. God bless you and merry Xmas
Bro at this point all you can do is hope these companies go under and independent companies become successful. There is no such thing as original anymore.
As an extremely long time comic reader I gotta say this is a great breakdown.
It does help me admit that a tokenized is still tokenized Even if you like them.
For instance I love Miles, Kamala, She Hulk, War Machine and John Stewart.
On screen I like versions of Iris and Valkyrie. Sometimes they do a good job others completely miss the mark.
I think we can all agree that the biggest target for diversity swap is Redheads. Expect Mera to be tokenized petty soon
That's a great video. Thank you.
This podcast….my new favorite. Dropping knowledge nonstop.
Great video. Could’ve repeated “spider-woman” at least 4 times 🤣
I learned the word Token is from Yugioh, it's a type of clone of an original monster that we literally put Token on the table at play... lol
They are not always clones. Most of the time they are just weaker verisons of the original monster..... Oh.
Well said Rippa; this hits all the notes.
Much needed video in these times.