Something Wrong with A Jaeger-LeCoultre Memovox? New Show on Caseback Watches?
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2021
- In this episode I present you an interesting case. A viewer bought a Jaeger-LeCoultre Memovox but now he asks: Is the watch in original condition? Can it be a fake or a frankenwatch? Let's find out by examine details like dial, hands, lume, movement and case.
Plus an idea for a new show: Watch Detectives.
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Great idea regarding "watch detectives" Tim.
Great episode, Tim. Thank you for presenting my watch. When I get the watch back, I'll try to get better pictures of the movement and caseback as well as clear pictures of the dial. Thanks you to all the viewers who have commented as well.
Thanks for the mention, Tim! Hello from Montana!
Great idea Tim. Watch Detective Tim, right up there with Sherlock Holmes.
I love the idea to help others . The vintage world is vast.
Looking forward to Watch Detectives!
Looking forward to seeing some serious detective work. 👀🤔⏱🔍😳
Great IDEA! Go for it.
Congrats Gavin great giveaway .Watch detectives is a brilliant idea Tim !
Nice cravat Tim. How about a video on cravats, where to buy, silk or not, how to wear?
Lovely Elgin, Tim 👌
I like the idea. I have a few that might be of interest and am interested in others . Yes to Watch Detectives.
Go for it Tim,it could get very interesting.....................................
That's a fantastic idea! And the community benefits by the experience of everyone, what they went through and how to spot it. Cool sh**
Interesting concept for a video. I don't know much about JLC watches, but waiting to see if there is a result.
I think this is a very good idea for a new show. I'm excited for the next episode (and now I have an excuse to buy a vintage watch!).
This would be a great format. On the other hand, you could open some nasty cans of worms - I remember some discussions on some forums about real/fake/franken watches, and they weren't something for the faint-hearted. Still, worth the risk in my opinion.
Very good point Luca.
I remember years ago, on a watchuseek thread, everyone piling in on an Omega dresswatch from the early 50's to say it was a frankenwatch.
On another thread much later, incontroversial evidence popped up to show that variation WAS produced by Omega!
I can imagine the poor sap trying to sell it one day as prospective buyers keep turning up the negative first thread. Meanwhile those who trashed it have forgotten all about it and moved on to other things.
Ouch!
@@michaelbedford8017 Typical...
It often involves pride, emotions, sometimes a lot of money, and arrogance from trash talking people, a recipe for disaster. But I believe in Tim's hands it's gonna be fine.
You mentionned Omega. Quite frankly, I witnessed the worst behaviors on watch forums, on the Omega sections/forums, from the so called Omega nerds.
They trash talk people who got genuine watches but are versions they don't value, let alone a potential fake one. They're absolutely at the opposite of the image of the luxury watch for more laid back people than Rolex fans. It's actually the other way around, from my experience.
@@H0kram
I don't want to be negative about this proposal, but it could turn sour.
On calibres I normally consult Roland Ranfft's pink pages but even he doesn't have examples of every variation of every calibre
When I buy a vintage watch it can be
well over 12 hours of searching before I can satisfy myself that it is
entirely genuine. I don't mind doing that as it's the best way to learn, but making a sort puzzle out of it can be risky.
Also when you're doing it for yourself you have the watch and your tools next to you.
I'd hesitate to do it based on photos, no matter how good the quality.
Great idea, too much same same on internet.
Congrats Gavin
Yes. Good idea Tim. That could be a great help, and introduce more collectors to the vintage scene.
I hope you continue with this series.
Whow - what a nice idea. I´ll be a subscriber for sure !
Really like this idea for a video series. Unique and interesting
Either this is a rare JLC Memovox or the watch has a frankendial. I lean towards the latter, unfortunately. The owner should contact JLC to find out for sure if this type of dial was ever made.
Like the idea. Original, like the watches we will see (hopefully). I have a watch to send, fron Universal, if this is of interest,Tim☘
I really like this idea!
I have nothing to add other than I would love the Don Draper version of this. This is a cool series !
Great idea!
I like the idea.
Great idea for a video series Tim. Looking forward to more detective videos. To me it looks like a legit le Coulter, but with a repainted dial
Loved this Tim.
I'm considering dipping my toe into vintage, I have 1 brand in particular in mind.
Would love to learn how you and others have have learned to sift through the pile and find the Gold.
The hands are the wrong length to kick-off with.
Dial has been repainted and badly too.
Very cool concept Tim.
I have a Lip that falls into the very suspicious category, so suspicious it might be too easy, we'll see 😄
Love this series.
As you say; there's no way they would have the logo going round and round.
"Freeze Modder ! Watch Police !" ... ( just practicing : )
Hands up!
This vid was great and I loved the idea of the format. If you’re going through with it, I might have a watch we can feature.
Love this idea. I would say once a month make one.
That JL looks like the 1970's, maybe early 80's...some independent work done, though!
Looks all original but has re-finished dial & hands. LeCoultre Cases were mostly made in the USA & are often different to Jaeger LeCoultre's. The printing & marker lay-out on the alarm disc is correct. Crowns look original as does the movement, also the "timed in the USA" marking on the Caseback is correct for a LeCoultre.
Interesting idea. I like mixing educational stuff with entertainment. I've heard it said many times, "Do the research!" I suppose there can be good research and not-so-good research. This detective series could be a way to help viewers develop their own research methods. I look forward to see where this goes.
Great idea for a series of video’s. My impression is the dial has been repainted and the hands are likely not original. The case may be legitimate.
Dial and hands are probably refinished but I dont have a lot of experience with memovoxes...
None of the vintage memovoxes have an applied marker at the twelve o’clock. Plus those baton hands are all wrong. But that case is weird, because getting the dual crowns to fit into an alien case is nigh on impossible. Yet I can’t google a memovox case with those lugs. Odd... I’m guessing more of a home made mod than some evil frankenwatch. Movement is original...
I've seen a few with applied batons at 12.
Hi Tim !!
Hi there!
Its badly restored for sure, gd idea btw, will watch
Every time i see the mirror at the right....🙄
I see the ring...(Japanese version)
Also the instrument case at the left remind me Bram Stoker Dracula👀
Awesome 👍👍👍
Wach detective. Good idea.
If you look at the JLC Master Mariner, the logo is on the inner disc. Not sure about memovox.
Good idea 👍🏻
No idea, never seen a JLC.. Would it be possible to to contact JLC themselves and ask them? I'd have thought the movement is worth the price alone, so a good buy regardless.
Cheers Tim 👍🏻
The price he paid screams fake/frankenwatch btw.
Agreed the watch has an unoriginal dial AND hands, the case I think was used Un América and produce by Hamilton...
Was a very common práctice back then, to source cases AND bracelets locally
The watch looks a mix of original and Poljot parts but it is most likely a badly restored original. Iam sure that all the nice boxes and paperwork are just fake. From my 40 years watch collecting experience most watches coming with this kind of original docs. and boxes look like new and will cost some 3 - 5 grand.
This sounds like a good idea but maybe we could have multi part videos where you present the details of the watch(preferrably physically present in the studio) with hogh res photos and viewers give info followed by a conclusions video to keep it interactive. Like others have said youll have to watch it in case things turn toxic or something in the comments. I'd hate caseback to become another "positivity" channel. I am starting to hate that word for various reasons. I'd also suggest you consult your lawyer and draw up a disclaimer for any such segment... an example for instance of potential problems could be that someone tries to use a video which concludes that a watch is fake or redone to get the money back or sue some dealer etc etc and you end up being sent some notice... any well drafted disclaimer could easily get around that.
I really like the idea for the reasons you stated.
As for this watch I’d want to know the price paid and more about the seller & advert but of more interest to me now is when the owner began to doubt it. Whether that was before or after it’s service leads to too many questions to list here!
Btw crooked is pronounced crukid with two syllables. I wouldn’t normally interfere like an unelected English usage police but I remember you saying one reason you began this channel was to improve your English. The rule is complicated unfortunately and not all words are treated the same way, for example the past tense of book as in booking a concert ticket is booked but pronounced bukt using just one syllable. Lol I’m beginning to regret getting into this now 😆😆
Oh Lordy! What a bastard language English is:
Verb, 'Crooked', pronounced 'crookt'
as in 'I crooked my finger round the trigger'.
Even native speakers get into a mucked sweat when asked to lay down the law on this kind of stuff,
as I know from bitter experience.
Thanks for the hint, Tom, I would never have noticed this by myself. Devil is in the details, indeed.
@@IDKline lol
@@CasebackWatches i find affect and effect to be a fun one...
@@IDKline lets not try to torment people more than we need to lol. the effects could be disastrous... we might end up negatively affecting someone's sense of balance.
First!... back again
Nice one ;-)
just look at the dial. that ain't no V.C. 1921. is the printing supposed to be cocked to the right?
That waranty card looks like it comes direct out of a printer.
This dial looks indeed a bit strange, way to modern. JLC is a somwhat conservative manufacturer. I don't think they made such a modern Design in the 60s.
I think we have a to some point restored watch and the "restorer" adapted a bit of his own phantasy.
I restore old phones and my son tube radios. We find often things from the 50s or older which were restored in the 70s to look more modern.
It seems to be a 70s thing to do so.
Well, It seems I may be wrong. I've found one that looks otherwise ok that has 'LeCoutre' on the alarm disc,
but there the similarity ends.
Too hastily made a point there.
Ok... But you have to wear a " Deer Stalker" hat....and smoke one of those curved German pipes !
Those curved pipes are pure brit stuff !
Just do it. :)
If it was worn by a politician it is like touched by God
Or........................the devil !
Why would anyone go to all that trouble to sell a watch for $200.
I have seen a very similar JLC Mvx from the sixties where the logo did move around the dial. Of course, that may also have been a dodgy piece.
the franken and repainted watches come from different places after being sild at flea market rates due to a messed up dial etc and bought by a seller whondoesnt know much about vintage watches or the seller or watchmaker may have had them "redone" themsleves for that reason. This jappens a lot in Asia because ypu have a large pool of people who can do this cheaply as well as a lot of vintage watches swiss watches going around in good condition or ok condition without a proper market for vintage watches . People would prefer to have a fixed up poloshed watch that has that brand name on the dial than a watch that looks vintage.
I wouldn't touch that watch with a stick. Many better looking sub $100 watches out there. Sometimes, the brand is not enough, even if the watch is genuine.
For 200 usd doesnt bother
It's fake
The dial is wrong (I've never seen a gray dial on a Memovox), the hands are wrong (generally they were either dauphine or baton) and the bracelet looks like a cheap Spiedel.
I have a 2011 JLC Master Control, so I know JLC's quality -- those items are not at JLC standard.
@@IDKline If you'd ever seen a vintage JLC in person, you'd know just how far off the mark that handset and dial are.
Tim, it is fake. Steer clear of this area 🤷♂️
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