Why is Fashion So Repetitive?
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Luxury fashion, especially at the highest price points like Dior and Chanel, are very slow to evolve key designs and “iconic” motifs of their brands. This applies to the ready-to-wear as well as hallmark bags and shoes. And to some degree, the reliance on these key models as social currency guides the design philosophy of innovation (or repetition) at these brands. Today, we’re asking why brands are so repetitive, whether they really are repetitive, whether I would ever design clothes myself, the end goal of fashion, and whether Coco Chanel was a Nazi.
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Talking about a museum that shows all the crazy techniques: I finally visited the ModeMuseum in Antwerpen and saw all the great work by Margiela and the Antwerp Six. Margiela is recognisable yet so fresh, still to this day. Obsessed.
*JOBS IN FASHION* my [ex] friend is an American chemist and she works for a fashion house in the Netherlands in their textile development facility - thats how diverse the jobs are
sick! im an american in the netherlands trying to get involved in the fashion world! also music! so check me out
So, she's in material science and polymer science
@@sylvienguyen1010 Yes. Specifically polymers.
Omg you just summed it up perfectly. My partner once asked me “why don’t you design your own bag?” Since he saw I’m very picky in terms of choosing handbags. It did occur to me once, but I’m more into…selecting/curating what’s out there? Like, I found it fascinating that I don’t have much desire to design my own, yet I could talk for hours of the designer bags that I managed to collect, of its features, design aspects that I find genius to be implemented to handbags, etc
I'm somewhere in between these two: I very rarely make my own garments from scratch, but I often buy (mostly second hand) garments that have one or two details "missing" or "wrong" and I alter them to make them "perfect" in my eyes
About the Boss/Chanel question, I think that your perspective is great if we're talking about a "screenshot": Chanel then, and Chanel now. But the problem is that history is flowing quite seamlessly between periods, at least in terms of people. Gabrielle Chanel did not receive retribution for her actions, and was able to continue her life mostly unaffected. Maybe even (just like for Boss), their actions during the war helped to propel them to further success. And that's an issue, benefitting from the harm you caused. But even then, if a brand was involved in dirty affairs, it shouldn't be too hard to just say "sorry", it makes such a difference for the victims. Even giving a little bit of the profit. Not doing it however is just... Putting you in a position where it looks like you are not disapproving of the actions of your forebears.
And that's (for example) an issue I have with BMW. The Quandt family, who owns BMW got rich through WW2 thanks to dirty business with the nazis. They kept their wealth, kept their brands and their influence, until today. And yet, they have not even recognised the involvement of members of the family with nazism. Appalling.
That’s an interesting perspective. I’ll have to give that some thought.
I think we can maybe agree on this: the employees of Chanel now should not be harassed. If someone should take action, it should be the owners of the company. Do you agree?
@@BlissFoster 100%. Thanks for pointing it out. I don't engage in public political protest, I am more the quiet thinker type I guess, but since your comments in the video pointed out that people do act violently towards the wrong persons, I should have pointed it out.
But to explain my previous point, it basically boils down to the same principles as genocide denial: by making sure to forget or rewrite a piece of history, we exclude the lived experiences of victims and survivors, and make them disappear, just like genocide was meant to exterminate them. Similarly, not acknowledging the violent legacy of a brand is like pretending that the violence never happened, which is against our feeling of justice, and is very hurtful towards those who suffered this violence.
recently I've heard this perspective that she did what she had to do out of necessity. Can't state my sources but that she had some closely related person at the hands of nazis and to keep him alive she obliged to their rules. After all Paris was occupied and there were French people working for German just to stay alive and she was one of them
The violent activists is precisely what I have an issue with. And if were being real Soviet Union didnt have the best record for minority rights.
What would you say about someone financially benefitting from the Holodomor?
I agree with ancoms in particular, but these standards Im like: yea nope.
Great topic Bliss Foster! Funny I think(not sure though)around the 1960's everything that was a hobby started to be promoted as a career and therefor many people who love Fashion for what it makes them feel think that they need to be part of the Industry. Yes, there can be those who love one thing and proceed to become part of that world but the percentage is small. I guess its part of the mentality of you can be whatever you want to be. Thank you for all the time and effort to create this wonderful channel!
*I'm a fashion critic* was the funniest. Jokes apart, love the effort you put into your videos. Cheers ✌
Being comfortable taking your time contemplate things rather than draw a conclusion too soon is a sign of maturity.
Strong agree
I think Dior has a few museums/ galleries and does exhibitions around the world ( i know of paris and shanghai ). They display the iconic looks and techniques in a beautiful themed space
Yes! I got to visit their museum in Paris, the displays were absolutely stunning
I know this is an old video, but I'm watching all the videos on your channel (enjoying my vacation) and MY GOD thank you for all the knowledge you share. Unfortunately I still can't contribute to your Patreon, but as soon as I can, I certainly will. Hugs from Brazil!
More Brazil homies! Hi! Thanks so much for checking out the older videos, we try to make them as informative as info-rich as possible!
8:09 got me crying 😭
😂 If it's fashion then I was born in fashion, throw me in the thumbnail.....
No don't People's eyes would start melting away.
the key to being good at anything is just conistently working on it. thats it. you could totally be a fashion designer. u have the vision.
I was thinking maybe Fashion Illustrator. My collections might throw people off a bit, but those are references.
I want to illustrate costumes, while working toward broadway. Plus part of the joy isnt just creating outfits, but color mixing, and finding out what colors go well together.
10:18 people need to understand that EVERYTHING every industry or business does, its end goal is to make the economy grow (ie. make money for the people who own a lot of money already). This makes us do the same thing in our everyday lives. All every industry and business around us tries to do is make the economy grow. This is why we don’t actually get any benefits from this because we aren’t as a society trying to make things better or more equal or more sustainable. Our only goal as a species right now is just to make the economy grow no matter the cost. This cost is things like having people live in poverty because equality doesn’t benefit the system or destroying forests and oceans because we need to harvesy everything now and not tomorrow. We need the economy to grow now and nothing else matters. This is the simple explenation why neoliberal capitalism is by definition unsustainable. This is also the reason why consumer choice (you consuming eco friendly or ethical products) or new technology won’t solve anything: because it’s all designed to just make profit for someone not save us. Luckily unsustainable practices can’t physically exist forever so we will eventually learn to do things better but it’s just sad that we have to wait and watch people lose their ground water supply and animals lose their homes just so someone can be happy that GDP went up.
The Rick efffect is so cool to have available. We are spoiled having him around dishing out fresh, dope stuff every season. He still owns the company and has kept it small enough to be able to pivot when he feels the need to. I LOVE that about him. ⚫⚫⚫⚫⚫⚫⚫⚫🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
Look at your hair grow 🖤
When you flipped in front of your face and flipped it back I was like that some healthy hair.
Haha thank you! My wife is to thank for that. I had no idea how to take care of my hair until I met her
To my knowledge Boss was just one company contracted to produce uniforms but they did not design them or were actively involved in other ways.
And in those days as company just saying no wasn't really a viable option in the sense of either work with the regime or go out of business
the Problem with companies like chanel or hugo Boss is that they never "reworked" (aufarbeiten in german i dont know the english term) their involmend with the Nazi partie (as far as im aware). being open about this past and honestly regreting theese things hould be comman sense. maybe im biased because members of my family were imprisiond in concentration camps. Of course normal employees should not be hold accountable for the actions that the people 80 years ago did but they should be aware and taught baout that. love your vids btw
Great video! Thank you!
Thank YOU!’ 🙏🙏
dude when are you gonna get on Throwing Fits? would be super interesting to hear you nerd out about straight up fashion with the boys and possibly challenge them in a fun way
I love how you actively make us learn!!
so good ❤
About thr last talkpoint, how do we feel about living brand owners wo are problematic (eg D&G)
It sucks that I can't appreciate the talent without feeling guilty about sharing/supporting their social media (I'm not saying you can't consume these thigs guilt free and separate the art from the artists,just that I can't do it)
This was exactly what I was thinking about during the video
It’s sort ot fun/thrilling to know that you just never know what comes and what leaves with Rick collections.
I have been dying to get myself a tec shoulder something. Jackets are too much for me and I was waiting for the tops to go on sale. But of course, they sold out.
He is known for bringing back old designs and then leaving them for a good few seasons, or even a decade. If I recall correctly, he already had a smaller version of the tec shoulders in the ‘03 SUCKERBALL collection. It was quite cool to see. But to my knowledge (I have just started watching every Rick show from the first to the most recent one), it was gone after that, or shortly after that only for it to return for some experimentation 2 decades later.
It’s a blessing and a curse.
However, with significant pieces such as the Tec shoulder or the Sneaks, they did and will get hype with every release and re-release if they were to be discontinued yet again. I am hoping the Lido shoulders are not the final form which will lead to its archival again.
I enjoy your content… 👏🏿👍🏿
4:36 You said that out loud!🥳
Someone had to say it 😤
love this ep, just chill. needed it after a tiring day spent mostly in third world traffic, partly for a needlessly expensive errand coz gov't suck.
gonna say it again til it's the norm: fashion needs to grow ip and be eco so we can see the beauty of creativity for a much longer time
also today years old when u said how to use linkedin correctly 😂😮😢😅
Some time ago I read an interesting essay in the routledge guidebook to fashion studies about nudity (I think that's what this book is called).
The claim was that we are so used to wearing clothes that even being nude is an outfit. It's not done for no reason, but instead "worn" for a specific purpose, for example when ancient Greek athletes did their competitions nude.
I've never this early. I love this channel
“…i’m a model…”
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Oh what do you think about karl lagerfeld designs? Never really seen you talk about him. I rmb watching karl talking about some designers being fake intellectual i wonder who are they and what he thinks abt margiela
I know nothing about fashion, and have never had a particular interest in fashion. However I found this extremely interesting and engaging, and I enjoyed the video quite a bit. +sub
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Will you go to Amsterdam fashion week?
let's rethink this bag from the thumbnail!! it's the worst thing ever. i rant about it so much, my sister forbade me from talking about it. it's the dior book tote (!?). the "christian dior" across it is bigger than some street ads! it has nothing (like pockets or whatever) it's fully canvas and it costs $3500! and i went to the site, and you can see how crookedly sewn it is. and people are using it. in the streets. when i first saw it, i thought it was a packaging bag>something jokish>a one off. but people are wearing it!! it's serious. (thank you for coming.)
Ummm are ya kidding, Rick has a very slow and methodical change and he works new ideas over a few years. That’s what I love about him - It’s new but it’s something he tweaked just a little this season etc etc
Repetitive isnt bad though, i really hate how in most places in the art world we've been sorta groomed into this idea that certain things like repetition is inherently bad nd theres no need to try engage with said art. it really just depends how its been used and what the aesthetic is imo, same in music.
I know it’s the only way for some people, but sites are copying everything
@blissfoster, could you discuss about the weird obsession that high fashion industry has with East Asian models? I can't help but to notice that the models from East Asia look like caricatures of what non East Asian people think how Asian people look like. It feels very intentional that this type of faces are constantly used in the Western fashion industry. What do you think?
I personally think it comes from exoticism
@@xxx_these.flightless.wings_xxx I see. So it’s the result of choosing to use models from East Asian who have the most non Western features who look as different as possible next to models from the West. Thank you!
Please talk about balenciaga couture fw 2023!!
I'm thinking the same thing! As soon as he showed those clips in his video I immediately stopped to go watch the Balenciaga show. It was so interesting. I hope he makes a video about it!
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today i learned how to pronounce iris van herpen
Fashion audiobooks I can't read please send help
I'm typing this up with a reader and I have to edit it 500 times it's not fun
Agree on Chanel. However, regarding Dolce & Gabbana - I find it disgusting that they are still successful and so many renowned people in the fashion world still choose to work with them
Instructions unclear googled: “what is a job title“
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ah, this one's gonna be good
not the unfashionable millennial talking
Could you recommend me some fashion books? Other than the Chanel you just presented here.
Gods and Kings by Dana Thomas 💫💫
Can someone please tell me is it NECESSARY to learn to sew if you wanna be a fashonw designer???
Yes? 🤔 I’m confused, why would it not be necessary?
Learning how to sew is not necessarily as hard as you'd think tho, it takes a couple of tutorials, some intuition and a shit ton of trial and error
Oh boy, if you have the patience, go for it. My sewing is shit. But I had a good eye. So if you’re like me and you think you could do it well, without hiring out, then great. I gave up on all of it-years ago. I don’t know if I should have…but here we are. But here’s the thing. Do you need a couple of glasses of wine to get through sewing a zipper into a mini skirt? I did! Lol! It’s a good test. And a zipper never appeared.
Chanel would be proud of Nike
Simple feedback loops
or Yeezy
@@mrotaveria little did we know Ye's biggest inspiration was Adolf Hitler all along
Then do you know why Chanel was not prosecuted for this after the war?
From the second paragraph of her wiki page:
“After the war, Chanel was interrogated about her relationship with Dincklage, but she was not charged as a collaborator due to intervention by British prime minister Winston Churchill. When the war ended, Chanel moved to Switzerland, returning to Paris in 1954 to revive her fashion house.”
@@BlissFoster Then, why would Churchhill bail out a nazi if the person was indeed a nazi?
Yea I was here too
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Who can fill us in about the hookah bus situation?
Por que é tão cafona também?
Rick Owen's clothes are so unwearable.
Karl was a raging misogynist.
why do fashion critics never dress well? Lol they should critique themselves
lol maybe i should be a fashion critic too
Hell yea 🦾
Start a channel and send me your first video 💫💫
U should be my therapist
On Gabrielle Chanel: She didn't live in Germany, but she did live in Nazi occupied France. A normal citizen may be able to get away with having private misgivings about the Nazis but someone as high profile as Chanel would be under a lot of pressure to toe the party line. Under a fascist dictatorship people do despicable things to stay alive.
I don't think this excuses her actions, but I think it's important to put her actions within their proper context.
We don't know what her true motivations were, but we do know that she chose not to stand up to fascism when it would surely mean death. I'm not sure how many people would.
I have a bad case of can't-keep-my-mouth-shut, but I still don't know what I would do in that situation.
Hi Paul, I’m going to need you to cite some sources here. Chanel *chose* to date a Nazi officer, she *chose* to live at the Ritz Carlton (the occupying nazi forces’ headquarters) and she *chose* to gather information for Operation Modelhut.
Where are you reading that she had no choice? Christian Dior was the same level of fame and was adamantly anti-nazi, no one “made him toe the party line” and it is the same with Chanel.
It worries me a lot that every time I publicly say Coco Chanel was a Nazi, someone spreads misinformation in the comments.
I could be wrong about this, however:
If a model was hired to walk a runway, they must do so, iregards to how they are costumed -- specifically, to receive their paycheck.
If something goes horribly wrong, a designer may have to make the decision to pull the garment from the show.
They cannot costume the model in any type of garment which the designer did not design: that is a falsehood and could be considered fashion plagiarism, believe it or not.
There might not be another garment available at that moment!
Showing a garment which was already placed on another model is absoluete blasphemy (it's an insult to the previous model).
Unless the designer is trying to make a statement / mentions it as inspiration for the clothing line: this may be why that occurs.
Yes, it is irrational.
You told me then to private instagram you. I did. But you never reacted . Also good.