We have to understand the time period. Back then the referees rarely stopped a fight as long as the fighter was still on his feet - even if he was 'out on his feet.'
What a performance by johannson, machen was a very skilled and tough fighter with fast feet who took liston the distance. That ref however was atrocious.
...FINAL TRISTE MAL ARBITRO Y LA BANCA PARA QUE DECIR HACE RATO QUE TENIAN QUE HABER PARADO LA PELEA...LA BANCA NUNCA TIRO LA TOALLA...PARA QUE NO ESTABAN NI AHI CON SU BOXEADOR...
Ferocious finish by Ingo, who is arguably the most underrated heavyweight champ of them all. That right would have troubled any sub-200 pounder in history, and is on a par with Max Schmeling's delivery.
+Tom B It is a matter of circumstances. First of all - Johansson had one of the hadest right hands ever in HW - and then the fact that it was cold in Gothenburg that evening. And in the ring Machen had to wait longer than he expected before the fight got on. He may have been warmed up and ready entering the ring - but he was cooled down at the first bell.
I have to agree with you Dan... Jack Dempsey said the same about Ingo ... When he developed that hard left jab... the "toonderbolt" became even more lethal... Machen wasn't a slouch .. I think ranked in the top 3 at this fight and Ingo got him outa there in a hurry ... A fighter either has that power.. or he doesn't .. don't think it's an acquired asset...
Agree, Tom B. Eddie was masterful in that Liston bout. Seemed much more determined and energetic in that fight than in this one - maybe he didn't expect as much from Ingo, who wasn't particularly intimidating in his demeanor, while Liston was someone you had to psyche-up for in a big way. It's interesting how Machen v. Liston prefigures Clay/Ali v. Liston. It's clear in the former that a determined, quick boxer with great reflexes and ring skills can give Liston trouble. And boy did Clay/Ali do that. I'll bet he watched Machen v. Liston a hundred times.
@@comeacross9 up until that fight, he was considered one of the best in the business. He froze in that fight, clearly. He only did one more fight after that before retiring--and that was 2 years after he let Griffith kill Paret.
Great to see the sportsmanship and lack of the eyeballing and trash talking at the weigh that seems obligatory nowadays. At least the refereeing has improved since then.
Sebastian Engman At least he could be funny sometimes as well as obnoxious. See the lead up to the first Liston fight. Clay was a riot. He didn’t just insult Liston, he did it in a way that was very entertaining to watch. (Not to Liston but to the public) Plus, he was a very great boxer. You have to give him that. But these guys today are not witty - not at all - they’re just completely obnoxious. And worse, they’re mostly third rate fighters! They’re clowns. It’s like pro-wrestling took over pro-boxing.
@@syourke3 The fighters prior to Ali were all about who would earn there way to the top to fight the World Champion. Ali performance against Liston was all about avoiding the top contenders on the list like Machen, Williams and Foley especially. Williams was ranked equal to Ali but his management didn’t want that hurdle. Liston should’ve stood his ground denied him the title shot until he fought Williams or all 3 men and Ingemar Johansson. Ali didn’t want to be asleep on the mat and counted out if and when Williams landed his powerful left hook. Instead gave him a title shot after he was shot by a policeman.357 magnum
Anyone notice the ref. To me he seems out of it. Machen is being beaten helpless and the ref allows the fight to continue until Machen is pummeled to the mat. Then even though Machen is obviously out cold, the referee insists on a ten count.
That ref was fucked up to let that happen I mean machen could have gotten killed in there he was so tough though after the knockout he was dazed but showed no emotion I would have been crying like a real bitch
What’s omitted is that Machen fought a 12 round draw vs Zora Folley less than TWO WEEKS before this fight. No way he was adequately prepared for this fight. Criminal how fighters were treated back then.
Not sure what the ref is thinking .... was he going to wait until Machen' no longer had a pulse before he stepped in ??? Ingo had the "toonderbolt" working that night !
Eddie Machen was the #1 contender in the heavyweight divison..34-0..31 kos..and a terrific fighter..but Johansson was fit he could take you out with one right hand shot..surprisingly his left jab was very good .plus his footwork was very quick..a lethal triple talent and for the kicker he had a decent defense..l think Machen was over confident and Johansson was a deadly puncher who when he hurt you he was relentless till the end !
Bear in mind that this was 1958, and fights weren't stopped as quickly when a fighter was obviously hurt like today. The same thing happened a year later when Ingo fought Patterson. That fight should have been stopped much earlier.
Should have been stopped after the second knock down. Machen clearly didn't have his equilibrium. Machen took a barrage of punches prior to the third knockdown when he was down and his glove had touched the floor from what I could see anyway so I agree 100% with your comment. That guy had no business being a referee in the sport.
the worst referee i have ever seen. he should have NEVER worked as a referee again. Machen was OUT COLD being held up only by the ropes and johanson's punches. it should have been stopped after the second knockdown. he was wobbly and probably didn't know where he was. it was pure luck he wasn't killed
Johansson had a pretty decent punch (Thor’s hammer). He ko ed Henry Cooper, Joe Bygraves and Eddie Machen before doing the same to Floyd Patterson and winning the Heavyweight title!
I thought one of the responsibilities of a referee is to protect the fighters. Obviously, no one told that ref that. It was obvious Machen could no longer protect himself, but the ref became a spectator and forgot what his job was. It’s fights like these that made the standing 8-count necessary. My question to that referee, if you can call him that, would be, “What would you have to see in order to step in and call a halt to the bout?”
And he was so stupid that he was continuing with the count while doctors and cornermen were all around Machen. And those were very fast counts on the first 2 knockdowns. Criminally incompetent.
Thoroughly loved Ingo but as someone asked about how he would have got on against Sonny Liston. Well Liston claimed he could have beat both Ingo and Floyd on the same night. When asked about this several years later on Ingemar said that it was probably true and I would agree with him.
@@clevelandwilliams5922 Johansson was not a great fighter but he had a thunderous right hand. Floyd Patterson discovered that in their first fight. Of course these were the days of the small heavyweight, usually between 190 lbs. and 220 lbs.
That's right. He had one more chance to save the championship portion of his career. Two years after this fight, he met Liston and fought a brilliant defensive fight...went the full 12 rounds with Sonny, longer than anyone had done, or would. Had Machen been more offensively minded, he'd have won the decision. Then, he would have finally fought Patterson for the title. One thing about Machen: he was the only man who fought Liston...until Clay, who was totally unintimidated. At the weigh-in, when Liston tried to psyche out Machen, Eddie laughed and said, "You ain't scarin' anyone, Sonny." One thing I saw Machen do against Liston, that nobody---not even Clay---did was tie-up Sonny...use leverage and strength...and force Liston back onto the ropes. Manhandled him. But those losses to Johansson and Liston, when the big chance was there, and Eddie didn't take advantage of them, he, for all practical purposes, sabotaged his career. But with his looks and physique, he should have tried acting. I never heard him speak, but I imagine he spoke well enough. Too bad.
I had forgotten Eddie went all 12 rounds against Sonny Liston. I always felt that Eddie and Zora Foley were excellent fighters, and both deserved title fights during their prime. Neither got them. The word on the street was Cus D'Amato, Floyd Patterson's manager, avoided them. Before Sonny Liston came on the scene Eddie Machen and Zora Foley were definitely the top two contenders in the heavyweight division.
Ingemar was a modest man who hated thrash talk. Funny thing - he found Patterson to be very arrogant before their first fight and wanted to punish him for his bad behaveour. The only time he disliked an opponent, he claimed. Patterson and Johanson solved all misunderstandings and became good friends after their third fight.
Good point of history Claus.. In fact Ingo and Floyd were lifelong friends and they actually ran a marathon together when they were well into their 50's ... Ingo came into Floyd's dressing room after the Fight 1 knockout and shook Floyd's hand... Floyd never forgot that according to biographers... They both were gentlemen ... something that's been lost I'm afraid ...
Ingo did trash talk Ali (Clay) ... Ali offered Ingo $100,000 to fight in a nationally televised bout, Ingo turned it down, saying that the fight wouldn’t draw three ticket holders and that Ali didn’t deserve to step into the same ring with him...
Sean Bradley Ali at this point in time was not a ranked heavyweight and he beat sub par opponents. Ingo was Champion and he could determine who he wanted or should challenge him for that title. By the way Ali was a loud mouth no body who only took prominence because Sonny took the title from Floyd. Ali would never or it would be much later for him to challenge. He ducked the fearsome Cleveland Williams who in is prime was scheduled to fight next. There was a good chance he would’ve lost. Ali when he struggled against Bonavena or realised how tough Foreman was. Did not want to re-challenge. So don’t elevate a looser
Today (4/20/22) is he first time ever seeing this and my jaw dropped as I was stunned that the ref allowed that pummeling to continue. Awful, just plain awful. Machen was fortunate to survive that.
That referee looked like he wanted to see Machen killed in the ring! And, I looked at it a second time and realized that this guy could not have been a boxing referee at all!
Machen also fought Zora Folley only 14 days before this fight in a 12round draw and was so distraught Cus refused either fighter a shot at Patterson he agreed to fly to Sweden 10 days later .That is unheard of today .
Machen couldn’t gets fights in the US even though he had been as high as number 1 on a couple of occasions. so he ended up in Sweden fighting a guy he knew nothing about and got tagged with the big right hand.. Floyd was fighting amateurs and bums from a Texas Eddie never got the chance to fight him again. Nor did he ever did get a title bout . He had one last chance against Liston in a 12 rounder but lost a tough decision, One of the best fighters never to hold the belt.
@@clubberlang589 yup and machen drawed williams bassically neuturalized that big fast punch of cleve machen knew how to take care of big punchers and make there punch commit to no knockout in his prime the johanson fight is weird its strange how he gets kayoed like this easily its not right and unuasual
In those days there was no MMA. People came to see a fight and preferably somebody getting knocked out. The Referees job was not to protect the fighter. You were instructed to protect yourself at all times. When Machen was in the corner he could have covered up and knelt down to one knee. The Ref would have stopped the action and begun a 10 count. If he looked seriously hurt it was the job of the corner to step in and throw in the towel. This is how prizefighting was and if you were looking for someone to take care of you then you're in the wrong business. By the way nice clip but dump the drums. Natural sound is the way to go.
Ingo undoubtly had a very heavy right hand punch but thats not really the trick that made the difference. He had something very rare as an exact timing of throwing that right hand punch in the exact nano second. That is why Machen nor Floyd ever saw any punch coming. Its a well known fact that the brain can protect itself from a punch provided you eyes notice it upfront.This ability I have not spotted amongst any of the other heavyweight champions. Ingo at his peak during 1957-1959 would have been a very hazardeous oponent to any of the other champions. After gaining the championship belt in 1959 he sort of lost interest of dull training and boxing. The fights afterwards he hit oponents with many right hands with no obvious effect. He simply lost that special talent though still his right hand was as hard as it comes. For instance, Brian London ranked Ingos right hand punch as hard but not spectacular
Anders R yes ingos opponents was very supriced victims. They didn't not think much of him. And then "BINGO" . That's how you win a war. To surprice the opponent.
What an absolute idiot for a ref!! Seen this fight a few times now, and it still amazes me how he let Machen carry on after the second kd. Ingo could have killed him.
Ingo said he loved to fight big guys, they were to slow. He could get the right hand in , more easely. Liston was easy meat. Styles makes fights..patterson was a nightmare to him. But he did it somehow.
So what's going on here is the referee trying to satisfy the crowds bloodlust since they're in Sweden? He let that thing go about 20 punches too long. That was worse than Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer. How many punches were landed on Machen he was completely defenseless?
The referee should have lost his licence after this fight as he allowed the fight to continue after Machen was knocked to the canvas twice and clearly was disoriented. Machen could have been killed.
That Referee was absolutely incompetent. Should have stopped the fight after the 2nd knockdown and certainly early in the last exchange. Utterly appalling.
When I heard the results of this fight I was stunned. I thought Machen was the baddest man in the heavyweight division and he would destroy Patterson when they fought for the title. I was a kid at the time but I thought this was the biggest boxing upset ever. I had to wait a few years for Tyson v. Douglas.
Johansson was at his best that night ! He was hitting hard .Machen didn't stand a chance after the first time he got hurt . Should of been stopped before he got beat down in the corner!
My dad told me about a colleague who went to this match. He found his seat and sat down and immediately he heard a roaring and everyone sat up. He didn't even get to see a single punch before it was all over. Ingmar had a very close right and not as tucked in. So it was hard to see coming plus he had the force behind it despite it's length. Eddie underestimated this and went right into it as seen here. Floyd would do the same in the beginning. Ingmar said afterwards that sadly he got eager and did a light volley instead of waiting for a single punch. But he also pointed out since it was an american that he had to win by knock out. Otherwise there would always be people who would say "He rose up, there was still a chance he could win". He had to make sure there was no question he was done. Same when boxing in the us. It had to be a knock out, he could never win by points.
Yes, I agree with these comments: the ref should have waved his hands much sooner, it didn't look like Machen was getting up. I guess Ingo was the real deal, I was actually 2 weeks old when this bout took place! Also, I highly respect Floyd Patterson, and he showed mettle in his rematch with Johansson in 1960.
@@MyVeryHappyDay maybe they should have played delightful piano music as Machen was getting his face pounded in while the ref stood there and allowed it to continue? Seriously this is the type of referee that sees calls to have the sport banned.
Aidan Jalbert True. Johansson had a powerful right hand. He could hit very hard. He clobbered Patterson with it in 1960. But then Patterson beat him twice, so like I say, you never can tell.
Take a look at Patterson Johansson 1. After the first knockdown Floyd thinks HE knocked Johansson down and clearly out of it , starts heading to a neutral corner. Johansson hits him a rabbit punch in back of the head sending him to the canvass again but the ref lets him get knocked down 5 more times!
Well, this was 60 years ago. The ref didn’t wipe the gloves off, look in the fighter’s eyes, or have him walk forward to establish his steadiness, then wave the opponent in to continue. If you think this was brutal, watch a couple of Jack Dempsey’s bouts. Ditto for Rocky Marciano’s fights. Back in the day, fighters were gladiators. Now, the ref jumps in as soon as a man gets in trouble. We know a lot more about brain damage today, but boxing is still a brutal sport.
If you watch the Kid Parret and Emile Griffith fight I guarantee you, that you will change your mind, guarantee! Because if you watch That you will literally see a man getting murdered right before your eyes, Morrison lived after the mercer fight, Parret didn't that's what makes it brutal as well as fatal.
And you should Google the Holly Holm fight before she got into ufc she was a boxer, she was boxing this woman and the woman is just literally beating the daylights outta her, so bad that the woman knocks holly threw the top rope, her face is bloody and everything, should of been stopped! What does the referee do? Untangles holly from the top rope and let the women continue to beat Holly.
You need to realise Ingemar Johansson proved his worth as a fine champion taking the title away from Patterson. Johansson was worthy of that title shot and trilogy that came after it. But yes he could’ve continued boxing well into 60’s and early 70’s had he remained focused. But Machen didn’t know what hit him
Of course, like in the first Patterson fight, Ingo lulled Machine into a false sense of security by not using his right until the first knock down. And, that punch really won Ingo the fight.
Stop the fight! That ref has no business in the ring.
We have to understand the time period. Back then the referees rarely stopped a fight as long as the fighter was still on his feet - even if he was 'out on his feet.'
I would be able to watch this without the drums, but that's me.
Beat part of this fight was when the drumming stopped.
The corner men who came to Machen's aid didn't even bother to acknowledge the ref still counting, good on them .
It was this fight that banned boxing in Sweden in 1970. It was a shame because that nation had many notary heavyweights after Ingemar Johansson
@@clevelandwilliams5922 A fight in 1958 banned boxing in Sweden in 1970?
@@scottodonnell7121 exactly what I was wondering!
What a performance by johannson, machen was a very skilled and tough fighter with fast feet who took liston the distance. That ref however was atrocious.
...FINAL TRISTE MAL ARBITRO Y LA BANCA PARA QUE DECIR HACE RATO QUE TENIAN QUE HABER PARADO LA PELEA...LA BANCA NUNCA TIRO LA TOALLA...PARA QUE NO ESTABAN NI AHI CON SU BOXEADOR...
that ref was gonna let him kill him
If he dies he dies.
It's sad the guy was going to kill him to he saw that he was out but kept punching
There may have a few exceptions but was there a ref who did deserve to be in a ring, Eddie he's black so, see if I care
Ferocious finish by Ingo, who is arguably the most underrated heavyweight champ of them all. That right would have troubled any sub-200 pounder in history, and is on a par with Max Schmeling's delivery.
***** I agree - he is underrated .
True; but how on earth can anyone explain how machin took liston to the 12 round limit without going down?
+Tom B It is a matter of circumstances. First of all - Johansson had one of the hadest right hands ever in HW - and then the fact that it was cold in Gothenburg that evening. And in the ring Machen had to wait longer than he expected before the fight got on. He may have been warmed up and ready entering the ring - but he was cooled down at the first bell.
I have to agree with you Dan... Jack Dempsey said the same about Ingo ... When he developed that hard left jab... the "toonderbolt" became even more lethal... Machen wasn't a slouch .. I think ranked in the top 3 at this fight and Ingo got him outa there in a hurry ... A fighter either has that power.. or he doesn't .. don't think it's an acquired asset...
Agree, Tom B. Eddie was masterful in that Liston bout. Seemed much more determined and energetic in that fight than in this one - maybe he didn't expect as much from Ingo, who wasn't particularly intimidating in his demeanor, while Liston was someone you had to psyche-up for in a big way. It's interesting how Machen v. Liston prefigures Clay/Ali v. Liston. It's clear in the former that a determined, quick boxer with great reflexes and ring skills can give Liston trouble. And boy did Clay/Ali do that. I'll bet he watched Machen v. Liston a hundred times.
Should have been stopped after the 2nd knockdown. Shades of Griffith/Paret
@@comeacross9 up until that fight, he was considered one of the best in the business. He froze in that fight, clearly. He only did one more fight after that before retiring--and that was 2 years after he let Griffith kill Paret.
It look like his corner was ready to throw in the towel and then they backed off. Why?
@@mikeprevost8650 Eddie Machen fought until 1967 and had a record of 50-11-3
The ref didn't even notice how badly Machen was staggering when he got to his feet after the second knockdown. Unbelievable!
Great to see the sportsmanship and lack of the eyeballing and trash talking at the weigh that seems obligatory nowadays. At least the refereeing has improved since then.
Henry Byrd absolutely I agree the little malcontents today couldn’t handle fighting then
The trash talking started with Clay. (Ali).
Sebastian Engman At least he could be funny sometimes as well as obnoxious. See the lead up to the first Liston fight. Clay was a riot. He didn’t just insult Liston, he did it in a way that was very entertaining to watch. (Not to Liston but to the public) Plus, he was a very great boxer. You have to give him that. But these guys today are not witty - not at all - they’re just completely obnoxious. And worse, they’re mostly third rate fighters! They’re clowns. It’s like pro-wrestling took over pro-boxing.
@@syourke3 The fighters prior to Ali were all about who would earn there way to the top to fight the World Champion. Ali performance against Liston was all about avoiding the top contenders on the list like Machen, Williams and Foley especially. Williams was ranked equal to Ali but his management didn’t want that hurdle. Liston should’ve stood his ground denied him the title shot until he fought Williams or all 3 men and Ingemar Johansson. Ali didn’t want to be asleep on the mat and counted out if and when Williams landed his powerful left hook. Instead gave him a title shot after he was shot by a policeman.357 magnum
Worst ref ever, Machen coulda died. Jesus, Ingo had the Midas touch in that magic right hand. Strong men just vanished in front of him.
Ashley Price. Yeah, his power was almost unnatural.
Y'all think the drum's cadence had something to do with Ingo's timing? Those were fast counts by the ref when Eddie was down.
Anyone notice the ref. To me he seems out of it. Machen is being beaten helpless and the ref allows the fight to continue until Machen is pummeled to the mat. Then even though Machen is obviously out cold, the referee insists on a ten count.
Rotten officiating. It's as if he wants to get Machen killed.
Haggis u 7th u7 u I u 6
Referee is hopeless.
That ref was fucked up to let that happen I mean machen could have gotten killed in there he was so tough though after the knockout he was dazed but showed no emotion I would have been crying like a real bitch
Different times, don’t try to judge by today’s standards!
is the electronic drum music necessary?
I did not know that this was such a devastating knockout...and Eddie Machen was no bum either.
You can say that again. Machen might have been champ if Floyd Patterson ever gave him a shot.
What’s omitted is that Machen fought a 12 round draw vs Zora Folley less than TWO WEEKS before this fight. No way he was adequately prepared for this fight. Criminal how fighters were treated back then.
Not sure what the ref is thinking .... was he going to wait until Machen' no longer had a pulse before he stepped in ??? Ingo had the "toonderbolt" working that night !
Eddie Machen was the #1 contender in the heavyweight divison..34-0..31 kos..and a terrific fighter..but Johansson was fit he could take you out with one right hand shot..surprisingly his left jab was very good
.plus his footwork was very quick..a lethal triple talent and for the kicker he had a decent defense..l think Machen was over confident and Johansson was a deadly puncher who when he hurt you he was relentless till the end !
Bear in mind that this was 1958, and fights weren't stopped as quickly when a fighter was obviously hurt like today. The same thing happened a year later when Ingo fought Patterson. That fight should have been stopped much earlier.
@@lwmson good point
@@lwmson Benny Paret , case-in-point at the hands of Emile Griffith
Should have been stopped after the second knock down. Machen clearly didn't have his equilibrium. Machen took a barrage of punches prior to the third knockdown when he was down and his glove had touched the floor from what I could see anyway so I agree 100% with your comment. That guy had no business being a referee in the sport.
wow, that ref was a disgrace, didnt he like machen or something...
This was in the period where Ingemar was focused.
the worst referee i have ever seen. he should have NEVER worked as a referee again. Machen was OUT COLD being held up only by the ropes and johanson's punches. it should have been stopped after the second knockdown. he was wobbly and probably didn't know where he was. it was pure luck he wasn't killed
leave out the drums
Agreed
I muted the screen
The ref is a disgrace, should of been locked up...!
Absolutely!
my thoughts exactly. i immediately came to the comments section to post the same thing. at the very least he should never work as a referee again.
100% Agree..Thank God Machen wasn't killed in this fight
He let Johansson remain in the near corner after 2nd knockdown.
Boxning was even more brutal then. My father gave me his ticket as a souvenir.
Johansson had a pretty decent punch (Thor’s hammer). He ko ed Henry Cooper, Joe Bygraves and Eddie Machen before doing the same to Floyd Patterson and winning the Heavyweight title!
Max Bygraves??? I did'nt know he had it in him...
@@g4obb yes he was banned after found to be illegally using tulips from Amsterdam!
I thought one of the responsibilities of a referee is to protect the fighters. Obviously, no one told that ref that. It was obvious Machen could no longer protect himself, but the ref became a spectator and forgot what his job was. It’s fights like these that made the standing 8-count necessary. My question to that referee, if you can call him that, would be, “What would you have to see in order to step in and call a halt to the bout?”
I agree 100 percent. That ref was pathetic.
Took 10 completely unnecessary punches!
@@barabbas57 ummm... if u dont want to get punched u shudnt get into a boxing ring
And he was so stupid that he was continuing with the count while doctors and cornermen were all around Machen. And those were very fast counts on the first 2 knockdowns. Criminally incompetent.
That ref should have been jailed. What bullshit.
Why the drums?
Thoroughly loved Ingo but as someone asked about how he would have got on against Sonny Liston. Well Liston claimed he could have beat both Ingo and Floyd on the same night. When asked about this several years later on Ingemar said that it was probably true and I would agree with him.
Kohl423 no ingo was a counterpuncher , he would jab and dance.
@@for1sekundsedan180 He would jab and dance and then wake up in the hospital bed lol
Yep,, The ref didn't what to see Eddie again.. Lousy wrk.
a modern referee would have stopped it much sooner, probably after the second knockdown. Machen got caught by a right hand and never recovered.
I would’ve gone sooner and stopped it after the first. The way Machen got up was like he was hit with a cannon ball and was in Ultimate La La Land
@@clevelandwilliams5922 Johansson was not a great fighter but he had a thunderous right hand. Floyd Patterson discovered that in their first fight. Of course these were the days of the small heavyweight, usually between 190 lbs. and 220 lbs.
terrible ref, worst ever. Machen was never the same fighter after this bout.
That's right. He had one more chance to save the championship portion of his career. Two years after this fight, he met Liston and fought a brilliant defensive fight...went the full 12 rounds with Sonny, longer than anyone had done, or would. Had Machen been more offensively minded, he'd have won the decision. Then, he would have finally fought Patterson for the title. One thing about Machen: he was the only man who fought Liston...until Clay, who was totally unintimidated. At the weigh-in, when Liston tried to psyche out Machen, Eddie laughed and said, "You ain't scarin' anyone, Sonny." One thing I saw Machen do against Liston, that nobody---not even Clay---did was tie-up Sonny...use leverage and strength...and force Liston back onto the ropes. Manhandled him. But those losses to Johansson and Liston, when the big chance was there, and Eddie didn't take advantage of them, he, for all practical purposes, sabotaged his career. But with his looks and physique, he should have tried acting. I never heard him speak, but I imagine he spoke well enough. Too bad.
I had forgotten Eddie went all 12 rounds against Sonny Liston. I always felt that Eddie and Zora Foley were excellent fighters, and both deserved title fights during their prime. Neither got them. The word on the street was Cus D'Amato, Floyd Patterson's manager, avoided them. Before Sonny Liston came on the scene Eddie Machen and Zora Foley were definitely the top two contenders in the heavyweight division.
jp3923 Wait a sec! I believe Muhammad Ali DID give Zora Foley a shot at his title, However, by that time Foley was well past his prime.
@@jp3923 Thanks for the info. Everyone knows about Cus making Sunny wait, but I've never heard about Machen & Zora being put off.
I was there that day at Ullevi Stadium.
Very nice! We're you a big fan of johansson?
@@will5870 He wrote that comment 4yrs ago.. he may not be with us anymore.
Travis the chimp I’m wondering if YOU are still with us?!
@@chatman2a you still alive?
@@mattiassvanberg3035 Alive and Kickkng:
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The background music ruins the video.
Ingemar was a modest man who hated thrash talk. Funny thing - he found Patterson to be very arrogant before their first fight and wanted to punish him for his bad behaveour. The only time he disliked an opponent, he claimed. Patterson and Johanson solved all misunderstandings and became good friends after their third fight.
Good point of history Claus.. In fact Ingo and Floyd were lifelong friends and they actually ran a marathon together when they were well into their 50's ... Ingo came into Floyd's dressing room after the Fight 1 knockout and shook Floyd's hand... Floyd never forgot that according to biographers... They both were gentlemen ... something that's been lost I'm afraid ...
Ingo did trash talk Ali (Clay) ... Ali offered Ingo $100,000 to fight in a nationally televised bout, Ingo turned it down, saying that the fight wouldn’t draw three ticket holders and that Ali didn’t deserve to step into the same ring with him...
Sean Bradley Source?
Sean Bradley Ali at this point in time was not a ranked heavyweight and he beat sub par opponents. Ingo was Champion and he could determine who he wanted or should challenge him for that title. By the way Ali was a loud mouth no body who only took prominence because Sonny took the title from Floyd. Ali would never or it would be much later for him to challenge. He ducked the fearsome Cleveland Williams who in is prime was scheduled to fight next. There was a good chance he would’ve lost. Ali when he struggled against Bonavena or realised how tough Foreman was. Did not want to re-challenge. So don’t elevate a looser
Sean Bradley You call THAT trash talk?
Today (4/20/22) is he first time ever seeing this and my jaw dropped as I was stunned that the ref allowed that pummeling to continue. Awful, just plain awful. Machen was fortunate to survive that.
Bout should have been stopped after the second knockdown.
Machen sure had a lousy night, here. Liston couldn't stop him, but Thor's hammer did it in the 1st round.
The fight was shown on TV in the USA and helped his juggernaut rise to a title fight.
After the second heavy knockdown a corner man starts to climb in the ring
That referee looked like he wanted to see Machen killed in the ring! And, I looked at it a second time and realized that this guy could not have been a boxing referee at all!
Ingemar looked like he could have played James Bond....Handsome chap.....That said, the ref was a bum...
Was the referee waiting for death. I thought Cooney/ Norton was bad. This was worse.
Machen also fought Zora Folley only 14 days before this fight in a 12round draw and was so distraught Cus refused either fighter a shot at Patterson he agreed to fly to Sweden 10 days later .That is unheard of today .
That referee should have been arrested as an accomplice to attempted murder, disgraceful ineptitude from a senior boxing official.
Whaaaaaa... Whaaaaaaa...
Call the whaaaaambulance!
Machen couldn’t gets fights in the US even though he had been as high as number 1 on a couple of occasions. so he ended up in Sweden fighting a guy he knew nothing about and got tagged with the big right hand.. Floyd was fighting amateurs and bums from a Texas
Eddie never got the chance to fight him again. Nor did he ever did get a title bout . He had one last chance against Liston in a 12 rounder but lost a tough decision,
One of the best fighters never to hold the belt.
Hop On pop You forgot Cleveland Williams
@@clubberlang589 yup and machen drawed williams bassically neuturalized that big fast punch of cleve machen knew how to take care of big punchers and make there punch commit to no knockout in his prime the johanson fight is weird its strange how he gets kayoed like this easily its not right and unuasual
In those days there was no MMA. People came to see a fight and preferably somebody getting knocked out.
The Referees job was not to protect the fighter. You were instructed to protect yourself at all times. When Machen was in the corner he could have covered up and knelt down to one knee. The Ref would have stopped the action and begun a 10 count.
If he looked seriously hurt it was the job of the corner to step in and throw in the towel.
This is how prizefighting was and if you were looking for someone to take care of you then you're in the wrong business.
By the way nice clip but dump the drums. Natural sound is the way to go.
I agree l. The Nancys won't.
Ingemar should have punched out the referee after the fight for being incompetent
Machen was out of it The Sweed was hitting him when he was sitting down almost
OBVIOUS that the ref should have stopped the fight after the second knock-down. Even Machen's corner should have intervened.
This was the dirtiest fight I've ever seen, a so-called "professional" boxer allowed by the referee to keep hitting a man who was down on his knees.
This ref should’ve had his rights removed
Ingo undoubtly had a very heavy right hand punch but thats not really the trick that made the difference. He had something very rare as an exact timing of throwing that right hand punch in the exact nano second. That is why Machen nor Floyd ever saw any punch coming. Its a well known fact that the brain can protect itself from a punch provided you eyes notice it upfront.This ability I have not spotted amongst any of the other heavyweight champions. Ingo at his peak during 1957-1959 would have been a very hazardeous oponent to any of the other champions. After gaining the championship belt in 1959 he sort of lost interest of dull training and boxing. The fights afterwards he hit oponents with many right hands with no obvious effect. He simply lost that special talent though still his right hand was as hard as it comes. For instance, Brian London ranked Ingos right hand punch as hard but not spectacular
Anders R yes ingos opponents was very supriced victims. They didn't not think much of him. And then "BINGO" . That's how you win a war. To surprice the opponent.
What an absolute idiot for a ref!!
Seen this fight a few times now, and it still amazes me how he let Machen carry on after the second kd. Ingo could have killed him.
This fight would have been stopped after the first knock-down today. And rightfully so.
none of them today is alive,life is like that very short be nice always
Ingo said he loved to fight big guys, they were to slow. He could get the right hand in , more easely. Liston was easy meat. Styles makes fights..patterson was a nightmare to him. But he did it somehow.
So what's going on here is the referee trying to satisfy the crowds bloodlust since they're in Sweden? He let that thing go about 20 punches too long. That was worse than Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer. How many punches were landed on Machen he was completely defenseless?
Agree, but Machen somehow survive the beating and kept going high level.
Thank God this fight didn’t last more than one round, I don’t think I would have survived much more of that horrific drumming. WTF were you thinking?!
That wasn't a boxing match. It was a crime against humanity.
The referee should have lost his licence after this fight as he allowed the fight to continue after Machen was knocked to the canvas twice and clearly was disoriented. Machen could have been killed.
That Referee was absolutely incompetent. Should have stopped the fight after the 2nd knockdown and certainly early in the last exchange. Utterly appalling.
That ref was the worst. He should have never let Machen continue after he got up.
Damn what the hell was wrong with that ref? Ingo could have killed Machen with that last KO
Apparently, reporters in 1963 asked Johannson if he would meet Liston. He replied that he had no plans to commit suicide.
Fighters shaking hands and smiling for the cameras before the fight - this must be 1958.
Wtf was that referee doing, trying to get Machen killed? Stop the fight already after the 2nd knock down, he was out on his feet ffs!
Quite possibly one of the worst stoppages in boxing history
When I heard the results of this fight I was stunned. I thought Machen was the baddest man in the heavyweight division and he would destroy Patterson when they fought for the title.
I was a kid at the time but I thought this was the biggest boxing upset ever.
I had to wait a few years for Tyson v. Douglas.
Machen was an excellent fighter and I always thought Johansson's easy win was suspicious.
texasstadium but it wasnt
@@texasstadium why ?
Johansson was at his best that night ! He was hitting hard .Machen didn't stand a chance after the first time he got hurt . Should of been stopped before he got beat down in the corner!
Who was that ref anyone?
I wonder how a Marciano/Johansson fight circa 57 would go?
Ingy held his own or he would not have beaten Floyd Patterson in a 3rd round TKO. This match needed a better referee, like Joe Louis.
Or Jersey Joe.
I agree, the drumming stopped and we were sane again.
My dad told me about a colleague who went to this match.
He found his seat and sat down and immediately he heard a roaring and everyone sat up.
He didn't even get to see a single punch before it was all over.
Ingmar had a very close right and not as tucked in. So it was hard to see coming plus he had the force behind it despite it's length.
Eddie underestimated this and went right into it as seen here. Floyd would do the same in the beginning.
Ingmar said afterwards that sadly he got eager and did a light volley instead of waiting for a single punch.
But he also pointed out since it was an american that he had to win by knock out. Otherwise there would always be people who would say "He rose up, there was still a chance he could win".
He had to make sure there was no question he was done.
Same when boxing in the us. It had to be a knock out, he could never win by points.
Better boxer than Liston
Better chance against Ali
Yes
A result that shocked the boxing world.!
Yes, I agree with these comments: the ref should have waved his hands much sooner, it didn't look like Machen was getting up. I guess Ingo was the real deal, I was actually 2 weeks old when this bout took place! Also, I highly respect Floyd Patterson, and he showed mettle in his rematch with Johansson in 1960.
That ref is shady as f.WTF was he trying to get Eddie killed.
The next morning, the referee was taken to an optometrist for an emergency examination.
I hope that Ref never worked again, appalling!!
anyone know that ref's name? he should've been arrested
Machen went the distance with Sonny Liston and many thought he won that fight. This says a lot for Johansson.
Now THAT’S an excellent referee!! And nice percussion work too.
I know your being sarcastic but it’s really not funny
@@mrchrollo2723 - ok, the referee SUCKS and the percussion SUCKS even more. Bahahahahah.
@@MyVeryHappyDay maybe they should have played delightful piano music as Machen was getting his face pounded in while the ref stood there and allowed it to continue? Seriously this is the type of referee that sees calls to have the sport banned.
The ref later got his dream job at a morgue counting out dead men.
Wow, I thought the guy who refereed Duran vs Moore was dreadful, but this guy was far worse.
Machen goes the distance with Liston but gets knocked out in the first round by Johansson. Never can tell, I guess.
Aidan Jalbert True. Johansson had a powerful right hand. He could hit very hard. He clobbered Patterson with it in 1960. But then Patterson beat him twice, so like I say, you never can tell.
@@aidanjalbert7180 yes you are a intelligent man
That fight would've been stopped a lot sooner today, a lot!
Johansson had a good overhand right. Machen was caught sleeping in the first round. Usually Machen was durable.
No ridiculous stare downs, just a handshake and a photo!
That’s why you never hire a blind referee.
Take a look at Patterson Johansson 1. After the first knockdown Floyd thinks HE knocked Johansson down and clearly out of it , starts heading to a neutral corner. Johansson hits him a rabbit punch in back of the head sending him to the canvass again but the ref lets him get knocked down 5 more times!
That was some good shit. 👍
Well, this was 60 years ago. The ref didn’t wipe the gloves off, look in the fighter’s eyes, or have him walk forward to establish his steadiness, then wave the opponent in to continue.
If you think this was brutal, watch a couple of Jack Dempsey’s bouts. Ditto for Rocky Marciano’s fights.
Back in the day, fighters were gladiators. Now, the ref jumps in as soon as a man gets in trouble.
We know a lot more about brain damage today, but boxing is still a brutal sport.
That REF.should,v been fined and jailed and never be allowed to be in the ring again the guy could've been killed or have serious Brain damage
Gotta give Machen credit for going into Johanneson's "back yard" to fight him.
He was lured by a great purse and the feeling that he could’nt loose.
Why those idiotic drums?
Havne´t got a clue. My wife threw out the drumset.
The referee must have been sent to jail
WHAT WAS THE NATIIONALITY OF THE 3 rd MAN IN THE FIRST PLACE???
Very white.
Machen being destroyed in this is a shock
What was the ref waiting for --the coroner?
The worst era of heavy weights fro the rise of Patterson until Ali beat Liston.
How do they fond sulbad ref dont they train them
Was the ref sniffing glue or something before the scrap?
Crazy how much refs let go back in those days. The Mercer-Morrison KO is still the most brutal in boxing history.
If you watch the Kid Parret and Emile Griffith fight I guarantee you, that you will change your mind, guarantee! Because if you watch That you will literally see a man getting murdered right before your eyes, Morrison lived after the mercer fight, Parret didn't that's what makes it brutal as well as fatal.
And you should Google the Holly Holm fight before she got into ufc she was a boxer, she was boxing this woman and the woman is just literally beating the daylights outta her, so bad that the woman knocks holly threw the top rope, her face is bloody and everything, should of been stopped! What does the referee do? Untangles holly from the top rope and let the women continue to beat Holly.
@@gregoryingram7561
Puncher's gonna punch.
🗣️💥🤛
And to think Machen went ten rounds with Sonny Liston two years later.
You need to realise Ingemar Johansson proved his worth as a fine champion taking the title away from Patterson. Johansson was worthy of that title shot and trilogy that came after it. But yes he could’ve continued boxing well into 60’s and early 70’s had he remained focused. But Machen didn’t know what hit him
Of course, like in the first Patterson fight, Ingo lulled Machine into a false sense of security by not using his right until the first knock down. And, that punch really won Ingo the fight.
You speak like a Cus D'Amato man.
Damals war es noch üblich, ein sauberes finishing des Gegners zuzulassen...
Johansson also fought Machen when Patterson was ducking him.