Guys this superman's ultimate power was punching Darkseid through a bunch of buildings. Goku has done stuff like that effortlessly in his base form. Pre-crisis superman though is on a whole nother level of strength. Just type in pre-crisis powers that ONE IS OBVIOUSLY STRONGER THAN GOKU CAUSE HE IS SO OVERPOWERED. its simply like this Pre-crisis Supes > Goku DCAU Superman < Goku lol logic
True, he wanted him to have a chance. That was true even in the Fat Buu part. He wanted the others to have a chance, but he wasn't sure if he could defeat Fat Buu, and even if he could that doesn't make him any stronger than Gohan.
it truely is man these are two heros that need to be fighting side by side with eachother to take out an epic ass villian instead of havin dem fight eachother in a argument that will never be solved
these discussions are truely endless for once why cant someone maybe think of a villian thats so badass we could get goku and superman to team up and be that ultimate duo...shit would be epic
@HyperSonicXtreme well lots of people dont read comics and so only seen the animated version, not knowing some of superman's absurd feats like moving planets and traveling many times faster than light
@HyperSonicXtreme 1:33 of that video. A heat that could destroy a planet could burn him, so that just shows people like Vegeta at the beginning of the series could hurt Superman. And he is also shown flying through the sun, which is 9941 degrees Farenheit. Freiza survived a planet explosion, which is the same temperature, but Freiza was cut in half and had no energy left in him. So freizas raw durability match Supes, with his Ki inhancing his durability hes even stronger
@itsgangstabob and even the narrator said and i quote ''the south galaxy has been destroyed by a super saiyan'' and king kai even said ''oh no its all gone'' and if dont believe me watch the movie and they even showed it being destroyed.
When Gohan arrives on Earth after having his potential unlocked, Piccolo says he's never felt a power like it, that its "outrageously strong". Piccolo had by then seen and sensed SSJ3 Goku's, Super Buu's and SSJ3 Gotenks power.
@SpartanForgeWorld300 When people on Superman's side debate they're not talking about animated series or movie Superman,they're talking about early comic book Superman than blows away solar systems and planets.You have to know about the different versions of Superman to even be in this debate
He wasn't lifting weights, he had the weights around his arms and legs and was fighting with them on, which is a hell of a lot more difficult than just lifting a weight. Of course, just because the mass of those weights was only 40 tons doesn't mean they weighed only forty tons. You have to multiply it by the gravity, which we know is at a minimum of 10g, and most likely 100g or even as high as 1000g. So that would make it 4000 tons to 40000 tons he's fighting with, like they weighed nothing.
The comic writers were like, DAMN why did we make that overpowered version back in the 50s & 60s. Then a couple years later they nerfed him so he would win some and lose some battles. Pre Crisis Superman won 90% times in the comics.
@AgentOrange502 King Piccolo and Goku were on par with eachother, then he started playing dirty and injured Goku badly. So Goku had to use his remaining strength with Dragon fist. Plust there's Majin Buu, he needed to use the Spirit Bomb, not his own power to defeat Majin Buu, whom Goku said everytime he fought, that Buu was stronger even than his Super Saiyan 3 form.
@Lordlt82 Pre-Crisis Superman Lifts entire planets with utter ease and flys around the world so fast it reverses time. SSJ4 Goku can only lift half a city at best and barely made it half-way across the world with in an hour-or-so.
@Afroman1837 that term is meant to the writers that cant stop reworking Shuster and Siegel's creation so that they can turn a dollar. Wait did I just insult another American icon, capiltalism??? lol, lets just say we all win cuz we can have these kind of discussions thanks to geniuses like Shuster,Siegel,Toriyama and the like.
@Afroman1837 and ik they dont show goku move planets. but that is becuz the manga didnt get as nearly as far as the superman comics did also iam pretty sure if goku can destroy a planet he can move one. And yes they never show it but cell stated during the cell games when goku was charging up for a instant transmission kamehameha that kind of power would blow up the earth and remember cell is very intelligent. also broly destroyed a entire universe and goku become way stronger than him.
patrick22014 no dude base goku ddi 400 tons not 400 40 on time 10 gifnty is 400 gokuw s not lfit 400 tosn eh was try to figth with 400 tons super man many lfit lot be he neve tr o fight with 200 mallion tos shit now has he noop dude goku now how pwoe rof god in abse form so he just much as superman if wanted to
Yes they can, ALL the characters i named, are GOD of their respectful anime's/manga, kami tenchi is MORE known as the most powerful because he originates from real life shinto gods known as the amatsu kamis.
@Lordlt82 Ehh, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Plus they can be a little boring at times, especially Pre-Crisis, when he was basically the Gary Stu of DC. But, I respect your opinions and shall be on my way sir. ^^
@ITZJUST2EZ4ME well in the comic world version planets are like big balls (thats what she said lol...) and when u say they get hurt easily thats on the dbz anime> so in any case if u put goku in the comic... he would be like pre crisis superman> and super man on the anime would be goku in super saiyan 3 (why 3 Gt wasn't in the manga plus it wasnt my favorite..
Now I am pretty sure in a fight goku would not kill superman. Because he see's that superman is helping the world be a safer place for people to live in and therefore know that he is their protector.
I'm mostly just argueing about screwattack's death battle of goku vs superman. They used the modern superman, which i think goku should of won that fight. Just my opinion, other than that most of the other versions of superman would defeat goku with a breath.
@AgentOrange502 that's weird. it was about the faith of the earth. goku is nt like vegeta, he wouldn't toy with opponents if it was serious! kid buu can regenerate, so goku knew he had to go full power!
I cant wait to see what Akira Toriyama dose with the new series :D I wont argue with math but Goku is a shit ton stronger then Superman fans think, shit give credit where it's do you dont need to like the guy but dont call him weak by any means
@Afroman1837 ya as in hedgehog, and honestly i think the too would fight and fight each other non stop becuz in my opinion they are equal even though i like goku far far far more then supes
i highly doubt that Special Beam Cannon could destroy anything more than a mountain unless fired from a stronger person even piccolo buu saga could only barely destroy the planet with the SBC
DCAU Superman is perhaps just as fast and just as strong as Goku, however he does lack the durability feats to compete with Goku. His distructive capacity is also around City Level at max. I would say Goku wins 6 maybe 7 out of 10 times.
@KaioZerHD Then came Pre Crisis Superman Nappa: VEGETA WHAT DOES THE SCOUTER SAY ABOUT HIS POWER LEVEL!! ..uuuuh Vegeta. (sees Vegeta fly away quickly) Nappa: Hey you dropped this Vegeta HEY VEGETA (Nappa picks up scouter and looks at the results) Nappa: IT'S OVER DECILLIOOOOOOON....oh fuck
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@AgentOrange502 maybe not with raw strenght but goku has control of his Ki which he can uses to supplement his own strength. In any instance Super Buu could destroy everyone simply by destroying the universe. On top of that Goku has Zero Weaknesses. Superman only beats goku in raw muscle strength but if you know anyting about Dragon Ball Z raw muscle strength only accounts but for so much. Ki is more important. energy Blast have no weight just destructive power.
@SmartGuy4today How is Ki magic? Remember Elder Kai? He didn't have a very arge ki, but was excellent at magic. A Kamehameha wouldn't make Superman cough.
it depends on the version of superman. post crisis superman is slower, but pre-crisis supes is a lot faster than goku. i can definitely agree with you that goku is a better fighter.
Dude he can hear very far and does over sextillion flight in one minute and can move planets in universe and destroying them with one sneeze gives lethagillity by breathing and does I quintilion tons at 1 minute also goku Flys 657,568 miles to save his friends and trains 1,234 tons in total RIP OFF
@ItsJustMarty Ik but Iam just saying that argument of who is better is really getting old and stupid becuz it would never happen and if they did meet they would become good friends and if we are lucky they would fuse.Goku and Pre Crisis Superman to make SUPER PRE GOMAN!!!!
@AgentOrange502 No he wasn't. You need to read the manga! He literally said he underestimated Kid Buu. He admitted even if he was able to go full power, his strength would surpass Kid Buu. You obviously need to catch up on your source material! Owned!
@AgentOrange502 yes. Thats how he beat pretty much all of them. Goku's a genius and a natural in combat and a master martial artist. Which superman is not... kyrptonians aren't solely a fighting race. Goku's entire race is geared for combat and combat only. Goku's the number one master of martial arts in his entire universe. Superman has no training he is pure strength. goku out witted frieza getting frieza to kill himself. Out skilled ginyu. Beat buu with strategy and will. so yes... he has.
GT doesn't count. it's non canon. Gohan loses the ability to become a Super Saiyan as it is replaced by his Mystic form. When Gohan asks the old Kai how he will know if his new powers work, he just replys "Just do that Super Saiyan thing you always do, it'll happen...just make sure you let it". Mystic Gohan is far more powerful then SSJ3 Goku, not just a bit or equal. Mystic is also far more efficient in conserving power.
@Lordlt82 Well, I can't reveal my age for...safety purposes..... And I apologize if I went a little overboard with the "Punk ass" statement and the "U Mad" statement as well. Though I am a huge Superman fan, I am not trying to "Troll" you.
@NigelSSJ1 wait sonic? as in the hedgehog? thats not even a debate of course goku wins sonic is just fast, like the flash. but the planets thing, pre-crisis superman can do way more than move planets, many other versions of supes that are weaker can do that too. and yes so can goku.
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Guys this superman's ultimate power was punching Darkseid through a bunch of buildings. Goku has done stuff like that effortlessly in his base form. Pre-crisis superman though is on a whole nother level of strength. Just type in pre-crisis powers that ONE IS OBVIOUSLY STRONGER THAN GOKU CAUSE HE IS SO OVERPOWERED. its simply like this
Pre-crisis Supes > Goku
DCAU Superman < Goku
lol logic
True, he wanted him to have a chance.
That was true even in the Fat Buu part. He wanted the others to have a chance, but he wasn't sure if he could defeat Fat Buu, and even if he could that doesn't make him any stronger than Gohan.
epic fight.
Epic work brah. As always :)
it truely is man these are two heros that need to be fighting side by side with eachother to take out an epic ass villian instead of havin dem fight eachother in a argument that will never be solved
these discussions are truely endless for once why cant someone maybe think of a villian thats so badass we could get goku and superman to team up and be that ultimate duo...shit would be epic
@Gokhan1089 are you Vegito1089?
@NigelSSJ1 your are right, in reality they would not fight, they would be allys. but this debate is for a "what if" scenario.
goku said full power but he only went ssj :D
Damn, that was quite an one-sided fight.
@HyperSonicXtreme well lots of people dont read comics and so only seen the animated version, not knowing some of superman's absurd feats like moving planets and traveling many times faster than light
@itsgangstabob tru thats one of the reasons we cant really argue becuz they are errors even in the movie.
funny thing is we see Supes struggle to stop a crashing airliner but then throw a star across lightyears of distance.... WTF!?!
@HyperSonicXtreme 1:33 of that video. A heat that could destroy a planet could burn him, so that just shows people like Vegeta at the beginning of the series could hurt Superman. And he is also shown flying through the sun, which is 9941 degrees Farenheit. Freiza survived a planet explosion, which is the same temperature, but Freiza was cut in half and had no energy left in him. So freizas raw durability match Supes, with his Ki inhancing his durability hes even stronger
this version of superman stood no chance but pre crisis is a WAY different story.
@itsgangstabob and even the narrator said and i quote ''the south galaxy has been destroyed by a super saiyan'' and king kai even said ''oh no its all gone'' and if dont believe me watch the movie and they even showed it being destroyed.
When Gohan arrives on Earth after having his potential unlocked, Piccolo says he's never felt a power like it, that its "outrageously strong". Piccolo had by then seen and sensed SSJ3 Goku's, Super Buu's and SSJ3 Gotenks power.
@SpartanForgeWorld300 When people on Superman's side debate they're not talking about animated series or movie Superman,they're talking about early comic book Superman than blows away solar systems and planets.You have to know about the different versions of Superman to even be in this debate
He wasn't lifting weights, he had the weights around his arms and legs and was fighting with them on, which is a hell of a lot more difficult than just lifting a weight. Of course, just because the mass of those weights was only 40 tons doesn't mean they weighed only forty tons. You have to multiply it by the gravity, which we know is at a minimum of 10g, and most likely 100g or even as high as 1000g. So that would make it 4000 tons to 40000 tons he's fighting with, like they weighed nothing.
Real version: Superman punches Goku's head off with one punch before he begins to form the complete thought of blinking.
@NANOFORGE
YES! Finally, someone who is sane on youtube!
superman: who are you?
goku: over here!
superman: what a weird name...
can someone just please post some vids of this pre crisis superman that i keep hearing about so we can put an end to all this.
And yet, he struggled with a building in SSJ4
The comic writers were like, DAMN why did we make that overpowered version back in the 50s & 60s. Then a couple years later they nerfed him so he would win some and lose some battles. Pre Crisis Superman won 90% times in the comics.
@itsgangstabob he does say destroyed in the dubbed englsh one
@AgentOrange502 King Piccolo and Goku were on par with eachother, then he started playing dirty and injured Goku badly. So Goku had to use his remaining strength with Dragon fist. Plust there's Majin Buu, he needed to use the Spirit Bomb, not his own power to defeat Majin Buu, whom Goku said everytime he fought, that Buu was stronger even than his Super Saiyan 3 form.
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@Lordlt82
Pre-Crisis Superman Lifts entire planets with utter ease and flys around the world so fast it reverses time.
SSJ4 Goku can only lift half a city at best and barely made it half-way across the world with in an hour-or-so.
@itsgangstabob yes he did king kai even said so
@Afroman1837 that term is meant to the writers that cant stop reworking Shuster and Siegel's creation so that they can turn a dollar. Wait did I just insult another American icon, capiltalism??? lol, lets just say we all win cuz we can have these kind of discussions thanks to geniuses like Shuster,Siegel,Toriyama and the like.
@Afroman1837 and ik they dont show goku move planets. but that is becuz the manga didnt get as nearly as far as the superman comics did also iam pretty sure if goku can destroy a planet he can move one. And yes they never show it but cell stated during the cell games when goku was charging up for a instant transmission kamehameha that kind of power would blow up the earth and remember cell is very intelligent. also broly destroyed a entire universe and goku become way stronger than him.
Well, we're screwed.
patrick22014 no dude base goku ddi 400 tons not 400 40 on time 10 gifnty is 400 gokuw s not lfit 400 tosn eh was try to figth with 400 tons super man many lfit lot be he neve tr o fight with 200 mallion tos shit now has he noop dude goku now how pwoe rof god in abse form so he just much as superman if wanted to
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Should have had goku knock him around a bit, then superman gives the speech he gave to darkseid about holding back, then 0:47
@NigelSSJ1
Sonic with the one billionth aura makiing him omnipotent, will keep him safe from Galactus's attacks
they would never fight to begin with, duhhh.
I'm pretty sure that was All Star Superman...
i like DBZ more than anything but, you are right and people that say goku could beat superman are just wrong.
@NANOFORGE All too true.
@ItsJustMarty ooh god that old argument?
Yes they can, ALL the characters i named, are GOD of their respectful anime's/manga, kami tenchi is MORE known as the most powerful because he originates from real life shinto gods known as the amatsu kamis.
@Lordlt82
Ehh, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Plus they can be a little boring at times, especially Pre-Crisis, when he was basically the Gary Stu of DC. But, I respect your opinions and shall be on my way sir. ^^
@ITZJUST2EZ4ME well in the comic world version planets are like big balls (thats what she said lol...) and when u say they get hurt easily thats on the dbz anime> so in any case if u put goku in the comic... he would be like pre crisis superman> and super man on the anime would be goku in super saiyan 3 (why 3 Gt wasn't in the manga plus it wasnt my favorite..
Now I am pretty sure in a fight goku would not kill superman. Because he see's that superman is helping the world be a safer place for people to live in and therefore know that he is their protector.
@HyperSonicXtreme so archie sonic is all powerful or is they someone out there who can beat him?
I'm mostly just argueing about screwattack's death battle of goku vs superman. They used the modern superman, which i think goku should of won that fight. Just my opinion, other than that most of the other versions of superman would defeat goku with a breath.
@itsgangstabob tru but believe i broly has the potential to do so but ts just my opinion.
@AgentOrange502 that's weird. it was about the faith of the earth. goku is nt like vegeta, he wouldn't toy with opponents if it was serious! kid buu can regenerate, so goku knew he had to go full power!
I cant wait to see what Akira Toriyama dose with the new series :D I wont argue with math but Goku is a shit ton stronger then Superman fans think, shit give credit where it's do you dont need to like the guy but dont call him weak by any means
@Afroman1837 ya as in hedgehog, and honestly i think the too would fight and fight each other non stop becuz in my opinion they are equal even though i like goku far far far more then supes
A normal human can inject Goku with a needle. Chi Chi's attacks hurt Goku.
@itsgangstabob But who do u think would win if goku faced sonic?
@itsgangstabob then king kai says ''oh no its all gone''
SUper man cant be that weak.
i highly doubt that Special Beam Cannon could destroy anything more than a mountain unless fired from a stronger person even piccolo buu saga could only barely destroy the planet with the SBC
DCAU Superman is perhaps just as fast and just as strong as Goku, however he does lack the durability feats to compete with Goku. His distructive capacity is also around City Level at max. I would say Goku wins 6 maybe 7 out of 10 times.
Damn i should of knew that i was being tricked
@LivingItUp325
Yeah because Goku was fighting Superman's weaker version, watch Pre Crisis Superman and it's the opposite.
@HyperSonicXtreme who would win if archie sonic faced galatus?
REBATTLE, REBATTLE, REBATTLE!!!
Yeah throw a insult at me, cause you know you're wrong.
He would destroy DCAU Superman but Pre Crisis would destroy Goku in seconds.
Goku can't stop Dr.manhatten.
@blitz849 i was thinking of his Staff and nimbus but ok.
@KaioZerHD
Then came Pre Crisis Superman
Nappa: VEGETA WHAT DOES THE SCOUTER SAY ABOUT HIS POWER LEVEL!!
..uuuuh Vegeta.
(sees Vegeta fly away quickly)
Nappa: Hey you dropped this Vegeta HEY VEGETA
(Nappa picks up scouter and looks at the results)
Nappa: IT'S OVER DECILLIOOOOOOON....oh fuck
Seems like we have something in common. Your mama calls me special too.
also remember some of Goku's attacks are magic based and who is weak to magic???
@vespaman101 did goku ever beat one of his enemies that are much stronger than him because of his "genius fighting skills".
@AgentOrange502Yes, King Piccolo, Frieza
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Look them up, and start watching other animes instead of having a crush on goku, then come back.
Can Someone Answer This Question?:I wanna know why in each episodes,The Animation Changes?
You don't know anything about Superman Prime One Million. He is literally a GOD! He is immortal. His powers are godlike!
nice finally someone agrees
@AgentOrange502 maybe not with raw strenght but goku has control of his Ki which he can uses to supplement his own strength. In any instance Super Buu could destroy everyone simply by destroying the universe. On top of that Goku has Zero Weaknesses. Superman only beats goku in raw muscle strength but if you know anyting about Dragon Ball Z raw muscle strength only accounts but for so much. Ki is more important. energy Blast have no weight just destructive power.
@SmartGuy4today
How is Ki magic?
Remember Elder Kai? He didn't have a very arge ki, but was excellent at magic.
A Kamehameha wouldn't make Superman cough.
@aleksander29955 the most powerfull version of superman. this video shows the weakest version from the animated series.
@SpartanForgeWorld300 Well...there's Ball/Z Goku and GT Goku.That's it
it depends on the version of superman. post crisis superman is slower, but pre-crisis supes is a lot faster than goku. i can definitely agree with you that goku is a better fighter.
@apolopack
Lol, Superman sneezes.
GG.
Chuck Norris vs Son Goku...
As I made video explains
Dude he can hear very far and does over sextillion flight in one minute and can move planets in universe and destroying them with one sneeze gives lethagillity by breathing and does I quintilion tons at 1 minute also goku Flys 657,568 miles to save his friends and trains 1,234 tons in total RIP OFF
i like ur version better than danosark's
That was pre-crisis. Superman Prime One Million would trash any form of Goku. [eriod
@ItsJustMarty Ik but Iam just saying that argument of who is better is really getting old and stupid becuz it would never happen and if they did meet they would become good friends and if we are lucky they would fuse.Goku and Pre Crisis Superman to make SUPER PRE GOMAN!!!!
@HyperSonicXtreme Goku still has the feats to beat Pre Crisis :P
@NANOFORGE Ehh, except for DCAU Superman, he got knocked out by a moon.......
@AgentOrange502 No he wasn't. You need to read the manga! He literally said he underestimated Kid Buu. He admitted even if he was able to go full power, his strength would surpass Kid Buu. You obviously need to catch up on your source material! Owned!
@AgentOrange502 yes. Thats how he beat pretty much all of them. Goku's a genius and a natural in combat and a master martial artist. Which superman is not... kyrptonians aren't solely a fighting race. Goku's entire race is geared for combat and combat only. Goku's the number one master of martial arts in his entire universe. Superman has no training he is pure strength. goku out witted frieza getting frieza to kill himself. Out skilled ginyu. Beat buu with strategy and will. so yes... he has.
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@vegettoSSJ3ROCKSS no u dont get it in Dbz when it goes to diff episode da animation changes why>
GT doesn't count. it's non canon.
Gohan loses the ability to become a Super Saiyan as it is replaced by his Mystic form. When Gohan asks the old Kai how he will know if his new powers work, he just replys "Just do that Super Saiyan thing you always do, it'll happen...just make sure you let it".
Mystic Gohan is far more powerful then SSJ3 Goku, not just a bit or equal. Mystic is also far more efficient in conserving power.
GT is canon to the anime but not to the manga.
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@Lordlt82
Well, I can't reveal my age for...safety purposes.....
And I apologize if I went a little overboard with the "Punk ass" statement and the "U Mad" statement as well. Though I am a huge Superman fan, I am not trying to "Troll" you.
Whats this about raw power?
There are many Digimon that can beat Goku. I don't see how he fits into the top 15, 10, or 5 lists.
kidgoku233 just look at the name, he's going to defend DBZ/GT even if it's SSJ4 Gogeta vs Galactus.
@NigelSSJ1 wait sonic? as in the hedgehog? thats not even a debate of course goku wins sonic is just fast, like the flash. but the planets thing, pre-crisis superman can do way more than move planets, many other versions of supes that are weaker can do that too. and yes so can goku.