20 years I've lived in Scotland and never once encountered a horny ghost in a candle. Not even a mildly frisky imp in a lighter. I demand to speak to the manager.
I am surprised Steve did not mention Risa. The brothel planet the entire crew of starships travel to as a group! Also Quark makes it clear that half of his customer use the holodeck for sexual fantasy.
Sure! Especially since he put the still of Picard and Vash in there holding the hor'ghan ;) pretty sure they went all the way too 🤷♀️ oh and the joke with Jamaharon!
I mean he had it on screen, then switched to Sub Rosa I think that was his way of saying, "the sex planet is low hanging fruit. You expect sex on sex planet (and get archaeology) you expect ghosts on Scottland planet (and get sex!)"
Deanna Troy, Tasha Yar, Seven of Nine and T'Pol in tight-fitting uniforms. Dabo girls and Orion slave girls. Riker and Kirk sleeping with everything that walks.
Boimler's Taint is one of the most legendary moments of Lower Deck. I know Steve has the sense of humor of a vulcan (winky emoji face), but that whole scene was an utter riot. The best part is the asexual Chief Engineer is in the background, buck naked and reading engineering reports on his Pad. One of the best background gags in the episode. People who whine about current Trek are genuinely miserable, I suspect.
Honestly, Picard’s immediate response to Beverly’s describing of her grandma’s sexcapades is super funny. He makes this kinda high pitched sound that gives off a feeling that he’s very interested. It really helps that Patrick Stewart is an excellent actor, and super funny when he wants to be
@@SailorDeath or when he plays the director of the CIA in American dad who is constantly high on cocaine and having adult fun time with hookers or at one point possessing a baby so he can see some boobs. He comes across as a old Shakespearean upper class British guy but really he's more like the lower class, especially with humour.
"mmMMMmmmmhhh, it appeahs the Howahd wimmin have excepshun'ly vigorous libeedoes" Somehow that's both one of the worst things anybody has ever said in Star Trek, while also not even being the worst thing anybody said IN THAT EPISODE
Beverly's MILF status was cemented earlier than Sub Rosa. In The Host, it was strongly implied that she was riding Odan on a very frequent basis, and, when the symbiont got transferred to Riker, she ended up riding him, too. I always found that funny. Despite the will-they-won't-they between Beverly and Picard present since the first episode, Riker STILL got to nail her first!
I love the part of “The Perfect Mate” when Riker shows Kamala to her room then immediately touches his com badge and says, “If anyone needs me, I’ll be in the Holodeck.”
"Star Trek is too adult now!" Meanwhile back in the first season of TNG Tasha's frequently mentioning how she spent her childhood hiding from rape gangs.
I sometimes think Zephram Cochrane's self-deprecating deconstruction of his vision in First Contact is the writers having a go at the fandom, and their lauding of Gene Roddenberry's vision. "I didn't build this ship to usher in a new era for humanity. You think I wanna go to the stars? I don't even like to fly. I take trains. I built this ship so that I could retire to some tropical island filled with ...naked women. That's Zefram Cochrane. That's his vision." This is the writers, laying it out there. "This is Gene's vision. This is who Gene was. Is this want you want?" And you know what, yeah, that is what I want. I mean, don't overdo it. But yeah, a little bit of consenting adult hornyness never hurt nobody.
It isn't just a "don't meet your heroes" moment though, it's an acknowledgement that a visionary historical figure doesn't manifest anachronistically out of whole cloth as an avatar of the society that will follow. Cochrane is a flawed flesh and blood human shaped by the society around him, the legendary figure that he becomes is part fiction and part him rising to the occasion. Which is to say, yeah it's pretty fair to read it as a direct commentary on Gene. "Don't try to be a great man. Just be a man, and let history make its own judgements." is also the writers talking through him.
It was really weird to me how Zephram Cochrane got retconned multiple times. I have to say I wasn't as thrilled with the version they landed on, but it is what we got.
I have found that many trekkies omit from their memory the early tng episode where the crew gets drunk and it's strongly implied that Crusher and Picard bone down so hard that Picard gets intimidated by her voracious appetite and starts avoiding her so he doesn't become an empty, sweaty husk
@@chrisinnes2128 And that episode is not only gone over at the very beginning of the video, but that episode and the related episodes were the inspiration for the episode people were complaining about.
Risa was literally the "Fuck Planet". You display a goddamn statue and someone comes along and rides your pony. Curzon Dax fucking died of ORGASMS ON RISA!
Worth mentioning that in the Lower Decks episode in question, the crooked administrator of the holo-tests revealed they were rigged to be un-passably difficult (for everyone but Boimler, at least). So it's likely the version of the "Naked" virus that Mariner encountered in her test had its effects intentionally cranked up to 11 compared to what the two Enterprises previously encountered. Hence resulting in "everybody's naked and openly banging in the mess hall" instead of just "everyone's acting kinda raunchy." Point being there was an actual underlying narrative reason for the horniness factor being so overt in the Lower Decks scene.
I'm not sure why but that bit about Picard insisting that 5'10 is a respectable height for a man and anything more was impractical had me crying laughing.
Just to further nail the point home: The original pilot has a bunch of aliens kidnapping the captain and trying to force him to be Adam. In fact, the yeoman character was mentioned as having “unusually strong female drives” and Susan Oliver appears as four takes on the same character: A pretty young woman, a damsel in distress, a loving wife and an Orion slave girl.
...Especially the bit where the Talosians truncate the illusion and Vina shouts "NO! Let me FINISH!" I mean...You just KNOW what she means by "finish."
As a lifelong fan who started off with the original series, I found this episode to be absolutely hilarious and I laughed my ass off. The callbacks were great.
Lets not forget that Quark is running a holographic brothel through the entirety of DS9 and VERY explicitly markets his services on many occasions. Or how Tasha Yar's backstory involves heavy references to, uhhhhh, 'gangbangers' (to put it in a way that's safe for a youtube comment section). Or how basically every appearance of the iconic Orions in TOS is just them being portrayed as strippers. Or how the literal pilot episode was about a bunch of lonely aliens trying to convince Pike to stay with them and be their favorite porn star. The list just keeps going.
I always assumed that the sex ghost story was a shameless rip off of the Witching Hour by Anne Rice where the protagonist (a doctor) returns to New Orleans after her estranged mother dies and immediately begins being haunted by a sex ghost that has been haunting the women of her family for generations. Now that I know it was based off a spec script, I am more convinced than ever that it started as an Anne Rice / Star Trek crossover fan fic.
Your videos honestly have helped me be significantly less of one of THOSE kinds of fans that obsess over canon and what a show 'should' be. People just invest a lot more of their identity into show then is healthy and when the show does not meet their expectations they feel personally attacked.
I feel like peoples' reactions to 'horny trek' is less about Star Trek being horny, and more the fact that it's more open about it that it was able to in previous series. It, much like its premise has evolved with the changing views of society. People are conflating its actual horniness with being more open to said horniness.
Steve, you consistently say exactly what I'm thinking. This episode is a case in point. Even when you don't, I'm entertained and often have something to think about.
"Whining miserable dickheads" is exactly what I imagine whenever someone's comparing nutrek to old trek and how "we've gotten so much worse!" or whatever. Thank you for being a more positive Trek nerd
This goes all the way back to "The Cage." After trying to tempt Pike by making Vina look more and more alluring, the Talosians then abduct Colt and Number One and use them to try to convince the captain to stay ("Your yeoman has strong feminine drives, and your cold and aloof second in command? She totally wants to bang you!") Heck, look at William Theiss' costume design all through TOS. I hate to perpetuate the "Trekkies are virgins in their parents' basement" stereotype, but complaining about how horny Trek is now? Don't they even know what Risa is?
On the TOS costume design: Somewhere I read about the Theiss Titillation Factor, which is supposedly the idea that a costume is sexy directly in "proportion" the the perceived likelihood it will fall off/apart and reveal something embarrassing.
Risa? You mean the planet they established in ds9 has tokens you can carry around that show the locals your interested in nothing but fucking. That risa?
And then, of course, we have Carolyn Palamas' outfit in "Who Mourns for Adonais?" If memory serves, they had to use double-sided tape to keep it from falling off.
Great sequel to Jesse Gender's video. I have a feeling people who complain about Star Trek being horny have never seen an episode of it. The Naked Time and the sequel Naked Now, the Kirk in general, Riker sometimes, Enterprise in general, Crusher and a GHOST, Laxwanna, Quark, bloody RISA. Roddenberry was possibly the horniest franchise creator period.
I'm meh on new Trek, but you're absolutely right, Steve. Counting suggestive stuff and innuendo, it's almost shocking how much sex is in OST. Go watch THAT scene between Lt. McGivers and Kahn Noonien Singh for reference...
Awww man, you didn't mention the fact that Tucker was literally impregnated on Enterprise. The whole sequence with them calling the Klingons after they realize what happened and the Klingon's response is golden.
Speaking of Yeoman Rand... Grace Lee Whitney was 35 years old when she first appeared in Star Trek. Nichelle Nichols was 33. Today, I don't think either woman, as stunning as they were, would even have been considered for their respective roles based on their age alone. Casting directors would just reflexively go for twenty-somethings.
Always been since I've been watching the OG series, movies, TNG, DS9 (Deep Throat Nine am I right). Isn't that like a big trope with Captain Kirk, that he's constantly macking on hot alien girl's?
I remember reading a "making of Star Trek" book in the mid-70s. They wrote about how they kept trying to get around the bans on cussing and "open-mouthed" kissing.
@@aaronsugar7228 Speaking of the underside of women’s breasts: “do they think moss grows under there?” Such rules resulted in some VERY creative costumes that covered exactly what was required, but also revealed some things that no one thought to ban … like the underside of breasts. ;)
Always thought that episode with the Scottish ghost was weird. Who the hell gets turned on reading about one of their grandparents going at it? Also, he refers to “Howard women”. Howard was Beverley’s maiden name, but it presumably won’t have been her mother’s maiden name or her grandmother’s maiden name.
Hmm, good point. Perhaps the Howard dynasty had similar breeding practices as many royal lineages over history... Also that "Super Scottish" guy is definitely an Ulsterman.
While DS9 definitely set the standard for Ferengi ear sex (including Quarks self moxing when he became Nagus in Season 1's The Nagus, and Rom getting an ear infection from so much self moxing in Season 4's The Bar Association), it was the TNG Season 3 episode Ménage à Troi that introduced the Trek world to oo-mox, when Lwaxana inadvertently performed the favor for Daimon Tog and then tried to use it to gain access to the ship's computer before Dr. Farek (Ethan Phillips in his ST debut) interrupted. Dr. Beverly Crusher even gets in on the ear action in Season 6's Chain of Command. Looking forward to your review of Prince Colwyn.... ...err, Lt. Cmdr. Michael Eddington.
aww steve, missed oppertunity there with, "eh, im gonna meet this boyfriend, i get he cant hold a candle to me" at about timestamp 12:40. seriously though kinda suprised the candle wasnt carved into a certain shape, considering all the boinking
Honestly, I rarely stay for patron thanking on anyone's videos, but your system of "every username is a first and last name" is on point and I really love it!
Imagine being one of the other people sitting in ten-forward, just trying to enjoy your breakfast, when you hear your doctor a couple tables over describing in way too much detail the sex dream she had about her dead grandma’s lover after reading her grandma’s sex diaries right before bed
This topic immediately brings my mind to the scene from TNG's third season episode "The Price" where Troi talks to Crusher about the new guy the writers had Troi falling in love with that week, and for absolutely no reason whatsoever, they set this scene in some exercise room with Troi and Crusher wearing tight spandex outfits that are literally one-piece thong bikinis with leggings underneath and doing stretches in suggestive poses with their legs spread wide apart. Just a flagrant attempt at appealing to the horniest teenage boy segment of the fan base. The frequency with which the show had Troi quickly start falling for some new guy who's been on the ship for only a day and a half was pretty absurd since it was basically the only story they ever gave her in the Troi-centric episodes, and it almost made me wonder if they intended it as some inherent Betazoid trait where being empathic causes them to develop strong feelings for others much more quickly on average than other species, but in the end its clear the writers just didn't know what the hell to do with the character.
My headcanon is that is actually is roughly what you stated and it just happens to affect each Batazoid in ways that fit their personality. Troi got emotionally attached. Her mom got horny. So horny. Also how did this episode not have an entire section just on Trois mom?
Ahhh… Shannon Tweed. Such a specific name drop! I see I wasn’t the only person in the pre-internet 80’s and 90’s who spent hours in front of the tv late at night trying to will the Cinamax to unscramble long enough to get a glimpse of Shannon Tweed “au naturale”…. (Which probably explains why my brain is so scrambled these days!) I would have TOTALLY watched that “Skin-A-Max” Star Trek series untilI it made me go blind!!!
Was not expecting to be reminded of Lasher by Anne Rice when getting a summary of a Star Trek episode, but here we are. Also, insert gif of indignant Scotty here. Real Scotts don't have to threaten people with their cooking to get what they want. Usually.
If I recall correctly, Boimler was 'eaten' by a space monster in the first episode of the first season of Lower Decks and spat out naked. Boimler gets naked a lot. I get the impression that in TNG, the network censors were busy. The planet where Wesley gets into trouble featured a people with no concern for clothes, and the wardrobe department designed VERY skimpy costumes
🤣🤣..... I definitely want to watch that episode from TNG right now. For research purposes obviously. What were you thinking? I think you forgot to mention that the episodes is titled "Sub rosa" and "roses were associated with secrecy because Cupid gave a rose to Harpocrates (the Hellenistic silence god) so that he would not reveal the secrets of Venus." - Meaning a rose is actually meant to be the antique equivalent of a tie on the doorknob. I love how Vash grabs the tip of that statuette...and Picard grinning. I mean, just go to certain sites on the internet and you technically find a lot of the same images. Just saying.
The only good faith explanation I can think of for thinking startrek is hornier now is people who originally watched the old series as kids. Some things went over their heads, because they were kids, and they remember it as a totally wholesome innocent show. Doubly so if they were watching it in syndicated reruns as kids, when everything would look a little quaint and old fashioned. We tend to think of the past as a more innocent time.
Happy Valentine's Day! Let's talk about Horny Scottish Candle Ghosts! I bet Scotty wishes he'd got to meet the horny scottish ghosts and not ghost Jack the Ripper.
I think people forget that if TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT were given the free reign STD and other recent shows have, they would have been SO MUCH WORSE. Let's not forget the idea of Garak and Bashir.
But Garak and Bashir being in a romantic relationship isn't "so much worst" (i.e; sleazy); it's just simply recognizing that people whom are _not_ staunch heterosexual exist.
@@JanetStarChild Which would have been progressive perhaps more so than the Dax kiss at the time, less so now. And people would have flipped back in the 90's. I mean even now, two men is rarely shown in general. From my experience two women is far more common.
Honestly this TNG ep always seemed like a ripoff of Anne Rice's THE WITCHING HOUR, up to and including the fact that Anne Rice's original first name was "Howard" (her mom was...odd).
You think Klingons have taboo kink clubs where they just go and cuddle and make gentle, sweet love? That it's something their society frowns upon and doesn't talk about?
I...don't think I'd ever heard about the stereotype of Jewish guys swinging serious pipe before. Honestly, I would have liked that MUCH more than the S1 TNG version...
@@LinguarumFautor I'm presuming that's closely connected with fearmongering about danger to "white women". After all, have to come up with a reason why they would be tempted. Plus, there's the whole "like an animal" cliche ...
Just thinking about the premise, there is a lot of that not mentioned, like Dax on Risa scenes (with her "friend" from a previous live, with Worf), Hoshi on Risa, and Troi related scenes. And of course enumerating every horny scene or plot would have made the video 5 hours long on Troi alone. So I would say: point well made, Steve.
Love your Trek, Actually videos. How about a video on Dr Bashir's and Garak flirtatious will they/won't they relationship and why the writers never actually went there!
"Did you all miss this?" Yes actually. I started watching TMP 20 years ago, and it's still not gotten past the opening credits. It's *kind of a long movie!* I hope I can finish it before the heat death of the universe.
19:10, that was actually established in TNG season 3. The one where Riker and Counselor and Ambassador Troi got kidnapped by that Ferengi that was really horny for Lwaxana. You know, the one where Picard has to recite a Shakespeare sonnet and gave us the 'why the fuck Picard' meme.
In the novelization of STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN, one of the scientists of the Project Genesis research team at the Regula One lab station was a Deltan who (it was implied) had been getting it on with Dr. Carol Marcus.
Thank you for making these videos, Steve. I have many gripes with the new version of Star Trek, but diversity and horniness aren't it. Trek has always been diverse and horny. (Yay, diversity and horniness!) One of my biggest problems with the new stuff (outside of stuff like Seven of Nine murdering an unarmed person in ST: P's "Stardust City Rag") since 2009 has been the new stuff just isn't willing to be quiet and contemplative anymore. We don't get episodes like "The Measure of a Man" "First Contact" (the TNG season 4 episode, not the movie) or "The Inner Light" nor do we get movies like The Motion Picture of the The Voyage Home. And as a Trekkie since 1991, that really breaks my heart.
I think there is something to be addressed though about how the times are changing and audience viewing habits are also changing and the franchise has to adapt to that change. In a 22+ episode season, they have the time to slow down and focus on one theme or an episodic thing, but it’s harder to do that with a serialized 10-13 episode season where you don’t have the time to necessarily lurch to a stop for a whole episode and be quiet when you have much less story space to move in. But even with that Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, and Prodigy have all had some quiet contemplative episodes that aren’t action focused, they are just in smaller numbers than what we used to get. I mean think about how the Book of Boba Fett had quite a bit of quiet contemplation episodes but also been accused of being slow and lacking momentum. Today’s stories, due to serialization, kinda just don’t have the luxury to set stories to one slow focus and follow it. And as for movies, I think it runs into the same kind of problems, that movies aren’t slow and contemplative because studios don’t want to risk their films being called boring and sluggish. They have to speak to a younger and newer audience who may not be interested in the slow stories so they add in the action stuff. It clearly worked for Star Trek (2009) when it made so much money. So I don’t disagree that new Trek is more action packed but I also think that’s a function of the way viewing habits have changed and the format of their serialized storytelling and having to keep momentum from week to week.
the fact that in ds9, andy robinson took one look at alexander siddig and was like "....he's hot, i'm gonna go for it", and proceeded to play their first encounter Like That will never not make me laugh. my man was told to tone it down!!!because he was making garak Too Horny!!! what a legend lmao
19:10 - TNG established Ferengi's ears being an erogenous zone (and the act of oo-mox) in "Ménage à Troi." Maybe elsewhere, but this is the one I remember.
If you ask me, TNGs "Manhunt" really displayed the utter horniness of Trek Like increased sex drive and Lwxanna practically begging Picard for his flute😉😉
Hey Steve! Always love your videos, especially when you call out the confused part of fandom that doesn't like the diversity. I think that's the one part where you really missed though on this video. I think the current crop of fans you speak of in this video aren't mad at the Sexuality of current Star Trek, they just hate that it isn't HETERO-sexuality.
Well? That means that they are mad at ALMOST any sexuality, and only accept it inside a very narrow frame. On the other hand, non-straight sexuality was not explicit in older Star Trek, but abundantly present if you knew where to look for it.
Hilarious summary of "Sub Rosa". I never thought I could actually laugh about that episode. I might even start watch it agai ... but oh wait a second... Ferengi ears being their erogenous zone is actually established by "Ménàge à Troi" - three years ahead of "Q-Less". And well... Lwaxana is in that episode... She had a lot of horny parts in the show, didn't she?
Agreed. Star Trek has always had sexually charged content, and pushed the bounds of language too. A lot of McCoy's dialog in TOS was actually on the line at the time, but today is normal speech. Picard saying "merde" would never be allowed on TV today. Hell, I doubt Lursa and B'tor's uniforms would have been allowed either. I actually listen to a Trek Podcast that literally hates the modern shows. I only listen to them because of the history they have with the series, they are entertaining, and they get a lot of cool guests from the history of Star Trek. In a recent podcast, they kept making comment about how Star Trek didn't need to say "fuck" constantly, or show nudity. They just sounded old with those statements. They just saw Tilly say "Fuck" and made their opinions. They didn't even get the context, which make that utterance perfectly understandable, just like Data saying "Oh Shit!" in Generations. Context is a serious consideration that needs to be taken into account. With Boimler (which wasn't the first time he was naked), there was context that make the encounter entirely understandable. They are the same guys you read passages from the TMP novelization and talk about the "Sex Teachers" and other things Roddenberry wanted that show he was just has horny, if not hornier than the current shows. I for one love the new shows, Prodigy being the best of them so far, but everything that has been great. Nothing has been done graciously (aside from Seven killing Vgazle, or whatever her name was), and in context, every curse word, every shot of nudity, everything even remotely controversial has had a reason for being and moves the plot forward, and in most cases allows the characters to actually show some character development. I would love more episodes, I would love more character development, I would prefer DS9 style arcs as opposed to one that sit front-and-center, and I would love for the shows to actually have to work within a tighter budget (instead of using an entire season of TNG's budget for a single episode); but modern Trek is just as valid as classic Trek, and I pity the people who don't understand it. PS - Polywater, the material from "The Naked Time" and "The Naked Now" is called Polywater
So, weird thing. The ghost plot in Sub Rosa is lifted wholesale from a pre-dating Anne Rice series. It's nuts, I just realized it. The Mayfair Chronicles features a Scottish ghost that attaches to a family's women through generations of sex. I just double checked dates and the second book even came out a year before the episode aired and the family member he's after happens to be a red-headed doctor....
20 years I've lived in Scotland and never once encountered a horny ghost in a candle. Not even a mildly frisky imp in a lighter. I demand to speak to the manager.
Please upvote this to the max so it never leaves the top of this page.
Imp in a lighter sound ls more convenient. Where can we find that?
To paraphrase a supposedly Scottish character in that episode- DINNAE TOUCH THA CAHNDLE! YER DOOOMED DOOMED!
@@RichardCraig I tried up voting like a dozen times but it only goes up and down one..
@@MrEscape314 I'm sick of all these imps in lights I keep finding, I'm ready to settle down with a real ghost in a candle 🥰
I am surprised Steve did not mention Risa. The brothel planet the entire crew of starships travel to as a group!
Also Quark makes it clear that half of his customer use the holodeck for sexual fantasy.
Or The Game, where the entire crew of the Enterprise is brainwashed by a sex game.
And most of the other half use it for violence.
Sometimes there's probably an overlap.
See Klingons.
Sure! Especially since he put the still of Picard and Vash in there holding the hor'ghan ;) pretty sure they went all the way too 🤷♀️ oh and the joke with Jamaharon!
Honestly, why would anyone use the Holodeck for anything else?
I mean he had it on screen, then switched to Sub Rosa I think that was his way of saying, "the sex planet is low hanging fruit. You expect sex on sex planet (and get archaeology) you expect ghosts on Scottland planet (and get sex!)"
Captain Kirk banging alien women was a meme before memes existed.
Exactly!
Riker did much more than Kirk in TNG. Even slept with a single-sex species.
People forget how horny McCoy could be.
_Star Trek,_ titillating young nerds since 1966.
Deanna Troy, Tasha Yar, Seven of Nine and T'Pol in tight-fitting uniforms. Dabo girls and Orion slave girls. Riker and Kirk sleeping with everything that walks.
Boimler's Taint is one of the most legendary moments of Lower Deck. I know Steve has the sense of humor of a vulcan (winky emoji face), but that whole scene was an utter riot. The best part is the asexual Chief Engineer is in the background, buck naked and reading engineering reports on his Pad. One of the best background gags in the episode.
People who whine about current Trek are genuinely miserable, I suspect.
Honestly, Picard’s immediate response to Beverly’s describing of her grandma’s sexcapades is super funny. He makes this kinda high pitched sound that gives off a feeling that he’s very interested. It really helps that Patrick Stewart is an excellent actor, and super funny when he wants to be
He's also not above toilet humor as was apparent when he revealed his idea for a show on Extras with Ricky Gervais
@@SailorDeath or when he plays the director of the CIA in American dad who is constantly high on cocaine and having adult fun time with hookers or at one point possessing a baby so he can see some boobs.
He comes across as a old Shakespearean upper class British guy but really he's more like the lower class, especially with humour.
@@charlestownsend9280 ... that's pretty much Shakespeare, though.
"mmMMMmmmmhhh, it appeahs the Howahd wimmin have excepshun'ly vigorous libeedoes"
Somehow that's both one of the worst things anybody has ever said in Star Trek, while also not even being the worst thing anybody said IN THAT EPISODE
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Beverly's MILF status was cemented earlier than Sub Rosa. In The Host, it was strongly implied that she was riding Odan on a very frequent basis, and, when the symbiont got transferred to Riker, she ended up riding him, too. I always found that funny. Despite the will-they-won't-they between Beverly and Picard present since the first episode, Riker STILL got to nail her first!
Picard never went where several men went before... especially when it was his Number One.
That's the episode where Beverly and Deanna do their... workout, right? Yes, very horny.
I was always disappointed they didn't let her hook up with the new female host.
@@jhonbus No, you're thinking of The Price, where Deanna was getting railed.
Oh, I am sure that in the naked now there was an unseen moment where there was a lot of muffled noise coming from Picard's railing room
I love the part of “The Perfect Mate” when Riker shows Kamala to her room then immediately touches his com badge and says, “If anyone needs me, I’ll be in the Holodeck.”
It's Riker's version of Jayne's "I'll be in my bunk."
"Star Trek is too adult now!"
Meanwhile back in the first season of TNG Tasha's frequently mentioning how she spent her childhood hiding from rape gangs.
Also wasn't everyone complaining that LD "is a cartoon which makes it a kids show that's not Star Trek buhuuuuu."
Remember that time three Orion slave girls took down the enter male crew of the Enterprise, including Captain Jonathan Archer?
I sometimes think Zephram Cochrane's self-deprecating deconstruction of his vision in First Contact is the writers having a go at the fandom, and their lauding of Gene Roddenberry's vision. "I didn't build this ship to usher in a new era for humanity. You think I wanna go to the stars? I don't even like to fly. I take trains. I built this ship so that I could retire to some tropical island filled with ...naked women. That's Zefram Cochrane. That's his vision." This is the writers, laying it out there. "This is Gene's vision. This is who Gene was. Is this want you want?"
And you know what, yeah, that is what I want. I mean, don't overdo it. But yeah, a little bit of consenting adult hornyness never hurt nobody.
I absolutely love this take.
It isn't just a "don't meet your heroes" moment though, it's an acknowledgement that a visionary historical figure doesn't manifest anachronistically out of whole cloth as an avatar of the society that will follow. Cochrane is a flawed flesh and blood human shaped by the society around him, the legendary figure that he becomes is part fiction and part him rising to the occasion.
Which is to say, yeah it's pretty fair to read it as a direct commentary on Gene.
"Don't try to be a great man. Just be a man, and let history make its own judgements." is also the writers talking through him.
@@xTheUnderscorex - yeah, I’ve always loved that scene. Great people are just as often flawed people.
It was really weird to me how Zephram Cochrane got retconned multiple times. I have to say I wasn't as thrilled with the version they landed on, but it is what we got.
Given what happens to him later this is funny as hell. Be careful what you wish for Zephram
I have found that many trekkies omit from their memory the early tng episode where the crew gets drunk and it's strongly implied that Crusher and Picard bone down so hard that Picard gets intimidated by her voracious appetite and starts avoiding her so he doesn't become an empty, sweaty husk
Also the first season of tng where tasha yar basically is implied to have sex with data.. and literally asks him if he is able to do that 😂
That's form the same episode
@@chrisinnes2128 And that episode is not only gone over at the very beginning of the video, but that episode and the related episodes were the inspiration for the episode people were complaining about.
I *wish* I could omit that episode from my memory
Risa was literally the "Fuck Planet". You display a goddamn statue and someone comes along and rides your pony. Curzon Dax fucking died of ORGASMS ON RISA!
Death by snu snu 😅
@@ryshow9118 Death by oo-mox
Worth mentioning that in the Lower Decks episode in question, the crooked administrator of the holo-tests revealed they were rigged to be un-passably difficult (for everyone but Boimler, at least). So it's likely the version of the "Naked" virus that Mariner encountered in her test had its effects intentionally cranked up to 11 compared to what the two Enterprises previously encountered.
Hence resulting in "everybody's naked and openly banging in the mess hall" instead of just "everyone's acting kinda raunchy." Point being there was an actual underlying narrative reason for the horniness factor being so overt in the Lower Decks scene.
Yes, this, exactly this. Context, people! It's as important as the text, if not moreso!
It was like a bad* fanfic!
*bad or great depending on your tastes
I'm not sure why but that bit about Picard insisting that 5'10 is a respectable height for a man and anything more was impractical had me crying laughing.
Just to further nail the point home: The original pilot has a bunch of aliens kidnapping the captain and trying to force him to be Adam. In fact, the yeoman character was mentioned as having “unusually strong female drives” and Susan Oliver appears as four takes on the same character: A pretty young woman, a damsel in distress, a loving wife and an Orion slave girl.
Also that episode where a bunch of horny aliens force Kirk to kiss Uhura. (Honestly, that one is very creepy.)
...Especially the bit where the Talosians truncate the illusion and Vina shouts "NO! Let me FINISH!"
I mean...You just KNOW what she means by "finish."
@@costelinha1867 Agreed!
It was way too close to masters forcing slaves to breed while they watched.
As a lifelong fan who started off with the original series, I found this episode to be absolutely hilarious and I laughed my ass off. The callbacks were great.
Lets not forget that Quark is running a holographic brothel through the entirety of DS9 and VERY explicitly markets his services on many occasions. Or how Tasha Yar's backstory involves heavy references to, uhhhhh, 'gangbangers' (to put it in a way that's safe for a youtube comment section). Or how basically every appearance of the iconic Orions in TOS is just them being portrayed as strippers. Or how the literal pilot episode was about a bunch of lonely aliens trying to convince Pike to stay with them and be their favorite porn star. The list just keeps going.
I always assumed that the sex ghost story was a shameless rip off of the Witching Hour by Anne Rice where the protagonist (a doctor) returns to New Orleans after her estranged mother dies and immediately begins being haunted by a sex ghost that has been haunting the women of her family for generations. Now that I know it was based off a spec script, I am more convinced than ever that it started as an Anne Rice / Star Trek crossover fan fic.
That is exactly what I thought watching that episode.. No idea who came up with the idea first though..
I loved Witching Hour, but when I saw Sub Rosa, it was clear to me that worked wonderfully in Rice's world looked silly on TNG.
Technically Patrick Stewart was in a vampire movie too (Lifeforce).
The incessant repetition of the term "railed" took this to a whole new level of funny. Well played my friend!
Had me rolling while I'm making dinner 😂😂😂
Your videos honestly have helped me be significantly less of one of THOSE kinds of fans that obsess over canon and what a show 'should' be.
People just invest a lot more of their identity into show then is healthy and when the show does not meet their expectations they feel personally attacked.
That Sub rosa review was almost as funny as Allison Pregler's. That's saying a lot.
Didna ligh that cahn-dle!!
@@MLBlue30 YER DOOOMED! DOOOMED!
@@o.c.kiddkidd5163 I always get the stirring to watch more of her reviews
11 minutes of play by play of Sub Rosa... o.O Simply amazing.
I’m here for Captain Shannon Tweed and her ship, the USS Ent-her-prize. I feel nothing but shame for that joke.
I felt the need to re-watch the scene in "Who Mourns for Morn?" where Quark goes to inspect the mud bath he inherits. That's a good one.
I feel like peoples' reactions to 'horny trek' is less about Star Trek being horny, and more the fact that it's more open about it that it was able to in previous series. It, much like its premise has evolved with the changing views of society. People are conflating its actual horniness with being more open to said horniness.
Steve, you consistently say exactly what I'm thinking. This episode is a case in point. Even when you don't, I'm entertained and often have something to think about.
"Whining miserable dickheads" is exactly what I imagine whenever someone's comparing nutrek to old trek and how "we've gotten so much worse!" or whatever. Thank you for being a more positive Trek nerd
This goes all the way back to "The Cage." After trying to tempt Pike by making Vina look more and more alluring, the Talosians then abduct Colt and Number One and use them to try to convince the captain to stay ("Your yeoman has strong feminine drives, and your cold and aloof second in command? She totally wants to bang you!") Heck, look at William Theiss' costume design all through TOS. I hate to perpetuate the "Trekkies are virgins in their parents' basement" stereotype, but complaining about how horny Trek is now? Don't they even know what Risa is?
On the TOS costume design: Somewhere I read about the Theiss Titillation Factor, which is supposedly the idea that a costume is sexy directly in "proportion" the the perceived likelihood it will fall off/apart and reveal something embarrassing.
Risa? You mean the planet they established in ds9 has tokens you can carry around that show the locals your interested in nothing but fucking.
That risa?
And then, of course, we have Carolyn Palamas' outfit in "Who Mourns for Adonais?" If memory serves, they had to use double-sided tape to keep it from falling off.
Great sequel to Jesse Gender's video. I have a feeling people who complain about Star Trek being horny have never seen an episode of it. The Naked Time and the sequel Naked Now, the Kirk in general, Riker sometimes, Enterprise in general, Crusher and a GHOST, Laxwanna, Quark, bloody RISA. Roddenberry was possibly the horniest franchise creator period.
Lower Decks is probably my favorite Trek right now followed by Picard. If one just goes on the ride, both shows are quite entertaining.
"That was a definite breakup."
That one got me.
This was hilarious. I always skip this episode, so I'd forgotten that Picard walks in on Beverly's O-face. LOL.
I remember watching that scene where the doctor is in a nightgown with her legs up, and thinking I can't believe this is on broadcast television.
You just tuned Sub Rosa from a "worst ever? and can skip it" to a "must see" TNG episode. Awesome!
People like to crap all over it, but really if you just come at it as a not at all serious piece of erotic gothic fiction, it's great!
I'm meh on new Trek, but you're absolutely right, Steve. Counting suggestive stuff and innuendo, it's almost shocking how much sex is in OST. Go watch THAT scene between Lt. McGivers and Kahn Noonien Singh for reference...
Awww man, you didn't mention the fact that Tucker was literally impregnated on Enterprise. The whole sequence with them calling the Klingons after they realize what happened and the Klingon's response is golden.
Speaking of Yeoman Rand... Grace Lee Whitney was 35 years old when she first appeared in Star Trek. Nichelle Nichols was 33. Today, I don't think either woman, as stunning as they were, would even have been considered for their respective roles based on their age alone. Casting directors would just reflexively go for twenty-somethings.
Too true.
You mean like the lead of Discovery who was in her 30s when the show started?
Always been since I've been watching the OG series, movies, TNG, DS9 (Deep Throat Nine am I right). Isn't that like a big trope with Captain Kirk, that he's constantly macking on hot alien girl's?
Probably more Riker than Kirk.. Now I'm curious what the actually number of flings they each had.
If we count Odo's "linking" with other changeling as horny action, then we have an ocean of mass orgy on Founders' planet
Yes but kirks escapades were juuuust rapey enough for the chuds.
Yes EXACTLY
Kirk more than riker. But damn close
Gotta say, this was some of your best paraphrasing ever. Can't stop laughing. Thanks man.
I remember reading a "making of Star Trek" book in the mid-70s. They wrote about how they kept trying to get around the bans on cussing and "open-mouthed" kissing.
If it's the same one I read they also talked about pushing the Network standards as far as they could with the women's costumes.
That's also where they discussed William Ware Theiss's costumes for female characters as "Will she or won't she fall out of that costume?"
@@aaronsugar7228 Speaking of the underside of women’s breasts: “do they think moss grows under there?” Such rules resulted in some VERY creative costumes that covered exactly what was required, but also revealed some things that no one thought to ban … like the underside of breasts. ;)
What an amazing coincidence this video premieres on Valentine's Day!
Star Trek and hornyness.
This video will be 75% talking about Rick Berman
Rick Pervman
I think that's going to be Jessie Gender's next vid.
honestly going through this list... i think the bigger problem is that most of the episodes that star trek does about sex... aren't very good
Always thought that episode with the Scottish ghost was weird. Who the hell gets turned on reading about one of their grandparents going at it?
Also, he refers to “Howard women”. Howard was Beverley’s maiden name, but it presumably won’t have been her mother’s maiden name or her grandmother’s maiden name.
Hmm, good point. Perhaps the Howard dynasty had similar breeding practices as many royal lineages over history...
Also that "Super Scottish" guy is definitely an Ulsterman.
Why? Because surnames are exclusively patrilineal?
@@AlbertaGeek I was about to suggest that maybe Beverly was the first of her family to take her husband's name...
Do they state that Beverley's mother's name was Howard? I always assumed Nana was her paternal grandmother..
@@AlbertaGeek They were centuries ago, which is the time period in question.
While DS9 definitely set the standard for Ferengi ear sex (including Quarks self moxing when he became Nagus in Season 1's The Nagus, and Rom getting an ear infection from so much self moxing in Season 4's The Bar Association), it was the TNG Season 3 episode Ménage à Troi that introduced the Trek world to oo-mox, when Lwaxana inadvertently performed the favor for Daimon Tog and then tried to use it to gain access to the ship's computer before Dr. Farek (Ethan Phillips in his ST debut) interrupted. Dr. Beverly Crusher even gets in on the ear action in Season 6's Chain of Command.
Looking forward to your review of Prince Colwyn.... ...err, Lt. Cmdr. Michael Eddington.
aww steve, missed oppertunity there with, "eh, im gonna meet this boyfriend, i get he cant hold a candle to me" at about timestamp 12:40. seriously though kinda suprised the candle wasnt carved into a certain shape, considering all the boinking
Lust is like a flame, and have you ever watched wax drip down a candle?
Its also worth mentioning how cold it was in that disinfecting room on Enterprise.
It was apparently very cold. For disinfecting purposes.
Honestly, I rarely stay for patron thanking on anyone's videos, but your system of "every username is a first and last name" is on point and I really love it!
9:48 - Seriously, I am rolling in laughter over the next 60 seconds or so of this... this guy is hilarious in his own right.
10:15 - If that screenshot of Troi isn't enough to convince you... 🤣🤣😂
The way you explain scenes in episodes is absolutely hilarious! 10 out of 10. No notes.
Imagine being one of the other people sitting in ten-forward, just trying to enjoy your breakfast, when you hear your doctor a couple tables over describing in way too much detail the sex dream she had about her dead grandma’s lover after reading her grandma’s sex diaries right before bed
Sub Rosa, the original "I love lamp." And Frakes directed it!
This topic immediately brings my mind to the scene from TNG's third season episode "The Price" where Troi talks to Crusher about the new guy the writers had Troi falling in love with that week, and for absolutely no reason whatsoever, they set this scene in some exercise room with Troi and Crusher wearing tight spandex outfits that are literally one-piece thong bikinis with leggings underneath and doing stretches in suggestive poses with their legs spread wide apart. Just a flagrant attempt at appealing to the horniest teenage boy segment of the fan base.
The frequency with which the show had Troi quickly start falling for some new guy who's been on the ship for only a day and a half was pretty absurd since it was basically the only story they ever gave her in the Troi-centric episodes, and it almost made me wonder if they intended it as some inherent Betazoid trait where being empathic causes them to develop strong feelings for others much more quickly on average than other species, but in the end its clear the writers just didn't know what the hell to do with the character.
My headcanon is that is actually is roughly what you stated and it just happens to affect each Batazoid in ways that fit their personality. Troi got emotionally attached. Her mom got horny. So horny.
Also how did this episode not have an entire section just on Trois mom?
LOL. Captain Kirk zipping up his boots while his paramour combs her hair. How much clearer could it be??
Best… TNG story synopsis… ever. 😅
And, ah, yes.. the Enterprise Decon Scenes. Funny how we never had very many “Archer and Trip Decon” scenes…
Ahhh… Shannon Tweed. Such a specific name drop! I see I wasn’t the only person in the pre-internet 80’s and 90’s who spent hours in front of the tv late at night trying to will the Cinamax to unscramble long enough to get a glimpse of Shannon Tweed “au naturale”…. (Which probably explains why my brain is so scrambled these days!)
I would have TOTALLY watched that “Skin-A-Max” Star Trek series untilI it made me go blind!!!
"Created by Gene Roddenberry" nuff said. They call him the Great Bird of the Galaxy. The other kind of bird 😜
The horny old goat of the galaxy more like :P
Again another lovely and spot-on episode. Very nicely done! And another (not so) subtle swing at gatekeepers. I love it when that happens.
Near the end of the Sub Rosa section, I'm dying laughing. Definitely one of the best Trek Actually videos. Thanks Steve!
Not laugh out loud so much in ages,every time Steve said railed it just cracked me up.
Was not expecting to be reminded of Lasher by Anne Rice when getting a summary of a Star Trek episode, but here we are. Also, insert gif of indignant Scotty here. Real Scotts don't have to threaten people with their cooking to get what they want. Usually.
@16:16 "I know what I'm talking about; I've watched it a *bunch* of times."
Haha!
If I recall correctly, Boimler was 'eaten' by a space monster in the first episode of the first season of Lower Decks and spat out naked.
Boimler gets naked a lot.
I get the impression that in TNG, the network censors were busy. The planet where Wesley gets into trouble featured a people with no concern for clothes, and the wardrobe department designed VERY skimpy costumes
🤣🤣..... I definitely want to watch that episode from TNG right now. For research purposes obviously. What were you thinking?
I think you forgot to mention that the episodes is titled "Sub rosa" and "roses were associated with secrecy because Cupid gave a rose to Harpocrates (the Hellenistic silence god) so that he would not reveal the secrets of Venus." - Meaning a rose is actually meant to be the antique equivalent of a tie on the doorknob.
I love how Vash grabs the tip of that statuette...and Picard grinning. I mean, just go to certain sites on the internet and you technically find a lot of the same images. Just saying.
The only good faith explanation I can think of for thinking startrek is hornier now is people who originally watched the old series as kids. Some things went over their heads, because they were kids, and they remember it as a totally wholesome innocent show. Doubly so if they were watching it in syndicated reruns as kids, when everything would look a little quaint and old fashioned. We tend to think of the past as a more innocent time.
I enjoy your funny and sometimes crude delivery. This one is one of the best 😊.
1:43 - "They are endless, Mr. Chekov" (Spock from "The Mark of Gideon") :)
Happy Valentine's Day! Let's talk about Horny Scottish Candle Ghosts! I bet Scotty wishes he'd got to meet the horny scottish ghosts and not ghost Jack the Ripper.
Enterprise's decontamination room was actually brilliant though.
I think people forget that if TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT were given the free reign STD and other recent shows have, they would have been SO MUCH WORSE. Let's not forget the idea of Garak and Bashir.
But Garak and Bashir being in a romantic relationship isn't "so much worst" (i.e; sleazy); it's just simply recognizing that people whom are _not_ staunch heterosexual exist.
@@JanetStarChild Which would have been progressive perhaps more so than the Dax kiss at the time, less so now. And people would have flipped back in the 90's. I mean even now, two men is rarely shown in general. From my experience two women is far more common.
Honestly this TNG ep always seemed like a ripoff of Anne Rice's THE WITCHING HOUR, up to and including the fact that Anne Rice's original first name was "Howard" (her mom was...odd).
Don't forget Chekhov and Sulu checking out Captain Klaa's lieutenant played by Spice Williams in ST5...
You think Klingons have taboo kink clubs where they just go and cuddle and make gentle, sweet love? That it's something their society frowns upon and doesn't talk about?
29:34 Omg 😂Your interpretation of Beverly's resignation.... Steve Shives, you are stupidly funny!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I...don't think I'd ever heard about the stereotype of Jewish guys swinging serious pipe before. Honestly, I would have liked that MUCH more than the S1 TNG version...
Never heard this either, but the size of the equipment is one of the few “good” features applied by racists to stereotypes.
@@LinguarumFautor I'm presuming that's closely connected with fearmongering about danger to "white women". After all, have to come up with a reason why they would be tempted. Plus, there's the whole "like an animal" cliche ...
@@KaiHenningsen What "like an animal" cliche?
Just thinking about the premise, there is a lot of that not mentioned, like Dax on Risa scenes (with her "friend" from a previous live, with Worf), Hoshi on Risa, and Troi related scenes. And of course enumerating every horny scene or plot would have made the video 5 hours long on Troi alone. So I would say: point well made, Steve.
Love your Trek, Actually videos. How about a video on Dr Bashir's and Garak flirtatious will they/won't they relationship and why the writers never actually went there!
Ah, Sub Rosa, the Star Trek re-telling of Anne Rice's even hornier 1990 novel, The Witching Hour. At least there was no incest in the Trek version.
"Did you all miss this?"
Yes actually. I started watching TMP 20 years ago, and it's still not gotten past the opening credits. It's *kind of a long movie!* I hope I can finish it before the heat death of the universe.
There was that time in TOS when Zephram Cochrane is discovered being kept alive by a very feminine energy cloud.
19:10, that was actually established in TNG season 3. The one where Riker and Counselor and Ambassador Troi got kidnapped by that Ferengi that was really horny for Lwaxana. You know, the one where Picard has to recite a Shakespeare sonnet and gave us the 'why the fuck Picard' meme.
Persis Khambatta was a model before acting ...she was really beautiful.
"I watched it a bunch of times" Scene where Rusher is ghost gunned. I'll bet you have, naughty boy.
In the novelization of STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN, one of the scientists of the Project Genesis research team at the Regula One lab station was a Deltan who (it was implied) had been getting it on with Dr. Carol Marcus.
Puttin’ on dem boots
Evil Kira definitely helped me discover sex.
Thank you for making these videos, Steve. I have many gripes with the new version of Star Trek, but diversity and horniness aren't it. Trek has always been diverse and horny. (Yay, diversity and horniness!) One of my biggest problems with the new stuff (outside of stuff like Seven of Nine murdering an unarmed person in ST: P's "Stardust City Rag") since 2009 has been the new stuff just isn't willing to be quiet and contemplative anymore. We don't get episodes like "The Measure of a Man" "First Contact" (the TNG season 4 episode, not the movie) or "The Inner Light" nor do we get movies like The Motion Picture of the The Voyage Home. And as a Trekkie since 1991, that really breaks my heart.
I think there is something to be addressed though about how the times are changing and audience viewing habits are also changing and the franchise has to adapt to that change. In a 22+ episode season, they have the time to slow down and focus on one theme or an episodic thing, but it’s harder to do that with a serialized 10-13 episode season where you don’t have the time to necessarily lurch to a stop for a whole episode and be quiet when you have much less story space to move in. But even with that Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, and Prodigy have all had some quiet contemplative episodes that aren’t action focused, they are just in smaller numbers than what we used to get. I mean think about how the Book of Boba Fett had quite a bit of quiet contemplation episodes but also been accused of being slow and lacking momentum. Today’s stories, due to serialization, kinda just don’t have the luxury to set stories to one slow focus and follow it. And as for movies, I think it runs into the same kind of problems, that movies aren’t slow and contemplative because studios don’t want to risk their films being called boring and sluggish. They have to speak to a younger and newer audience who may not be interested in the slow stories so they add in the action stuff. It clearly worked for Star Trek (2009) when it made so much money.
So I don’t disagree that new Trek is more action packed but I also think that’s a function of the way viewing habits have changed and the format of their serialized storytelling and having to keep momentum from week to week.
the fact that in ds9, andy robinson took one look at alexander siddig and was like "....he's hot, i'm gonna go for it", and proceeded to play their first encounter Like That will never not make me laugh. my man was told to tone it down!!!because he was making garak Too Horny!!! what a legend lmao
CHAKOTAY: I don’t know how I’m going to enter this into the log.
TUVOK: I look forward to reading it.
Audience: I’ll just bet you do, you sick fuck.
The Latin name for Scotland was Caledonia.
So, yeah, a planet named "Caledos" basically is "planet Scotland".
19:10 - TNG established Ferengi's ears being an erogenous zone (and the act of oo-mox) in "Ménage à Troi." Maybe elsewhere, but this is the one I remember.
"It's Naked Time! It's Naked Time!" "Stupid sexy Shaxs!"
If you ask me, TNGs "Manhunt" really displayed the utter horniness of Trek
Like increased sex drive and Lwxanna practically begging Picard for his flute😉😉
Hey Steve! Always love your videos, especially when you call out the confused part of fandom that doesn't like the diversity. I think that's the one part where you really missed though on this video. I think the current crop of fans you speak of in this video aren't mad at the Sexuality of current Star Trek, they just hate that it isn't HETERO-sexuality.
Well? That means that they are mad at ALMOST any sexuality, and only accept it inside a very narrow frame.
On the other hand, non-straight sexuality was not explicit in older Star Trek, but abundantly present if you knew where to look for it.
Hilarious summary of "Sub Rosa". I never thought I could actually laugh about that episode. I might even start watch it agai ... but oh wait a second... Ferengi ears being their erogenous zone is actually established by "Ménàge à Troi" - three years ahead of "Q-Less". And well... Lwaxana is in that episode... She had a lot of horny parts in the show, didn't she?
In DS9 don't forget the *Intendant* !
'Sub Rosa" was made shortly after the Anne Rice novel "Taltos". Very similar.
I always thought Ronan should've said something like "Ghosts are anaphasic! That's what we are!"
Star Trek had episodes like the naked now and not to mention all the episodes on riza.
Agreed. Star Trek has always had sexually charged content, and pushed the bounds of language too. A lot of McCoy's dialog in TOS was actually on the line at the time, but today is normal speech. Picard saying "merde" would never be allowed on TV today. Hell, I doubt Lursa and B'tor's uniforms would have been allowed either.
I actually listen to a Trek Podcast that literally hates the modern shows. I only listen to them because of the history they have with the series, they are entertaining, and they get a lot of cool guests from the history of Star Trek. In a recent podcast, they kept making comment about how Star Trek didn't need to say "fuck" constantly, or show nudity. They just sounded old with those statements. They just saw Tilly say "Fuck" and made their opinions. They didn't even get the context, which make that utterance perfectly understandable, just like Data saying "Oh Shit!" in Generations. Context is a serious consideration that needs to be taken into account. With Boimler (which wasn't the first time he was naked), there was context that make the encounter entirely understandable. They are the same guys you read passages from the TMP novelization and talk about the "Sex Teachers" and other things Roddenberry wanted that show he was just has horny, if not hornier than the current shows.
I for one love the new shows, Prodigy being the best of them so far, but everything that has been great. Nothing has been done graciously (aside from Seven killing Vgazle, or whatever her name was), and in context, every curse word, every shot of nudity, everything even remotely controversial has had a reason for being and moves the plot forward, and in most cases allows the characters to actually show some character development. I would love more episodes, I would love more character development, I would prefer DS9 style arcs as opposed to one that sit front-and-center, and I would love for the shows to actually have to work within a tighter budget (instead of using an entire season of TNG's budget for a single episode); but modern Trek is just as valid as classic Trek, and I pity the people who don't understand it.
PS - Polywater, the material from "The Naked Time" and "The Naked Now" is called Polywater
So, weird thing. The ghost plot in Sub Rosa is lifted wholesale from a pre-dating Anne Rice series. It's nuts, I just realized it. The Mayfair Chronicles features a Scottish ghost that attaches to a family's women through generations of sex. I just double checked dates and the second book even came out a year before the episode aired and the family member he's after happens to be a red-headed doctor....