Jesus saves you from an eternity spent in Hell, the awful consequence of sin. It is a FREE gift which you receive by believing in and trusting in the FINISHED WORK and the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ at the cross at Calvary for your sins! Romans 10:9-10 (KJV) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Romans 10:13 (KJV) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Romans 6:23 (KJV) For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Are You Saved? If you do not know for sure that you are saved, please settle this issue permanently. Satan does not want you to accept God's gift of eternal life with Him in Heaven. He wants to drag you into Hell with him, and the time for you to make a decision on your eternal destiny grows very short. The time will soon come when God will no longer offer his gift of eternal life. Making no decision is the same as rejecting God and choosing to spend eternity in Hell. Please do not put off making your decision for Jesus until it is too late. And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. Acts 16:31 KJV Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12 KJV For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. Luke 19:10 KJV You are not saved by your own righteousness but by what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for us on the cross. Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Galatians 5:4 (KJV) Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. Galatians 3:10 (KJV) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Romans 10:4 (KJV) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
@Garf why do people even say this stuff on yt like first of all its unrelated second of all, that is what churches are for and third of all, no one cares
Harddrives are almost indistinguishable from magic. Even this older drive. You have a platter spinning at 250 revolutions per second on bearings (which are always somewhat uneven and cause some vibrations and uneven motion) and on average the read head can in 6 ms nail a ~200 nm wide track (1/500th of a human hair) and wait until the platter has spun just the right amount to nail a ~25 nm wide spot where it is to start reading, on a disk surface that is flying past at ~40 m/s; right to within less than a billionth of a second. And this thing has to be able to operate in a hot, noisy, vibrating environment, continously, for years with a very low tolerance for read errors. Harddrives were seemingly ancient, obsolete tech that would be near impossible to miniaturize further in the 1980's; comparable to core memory or vacuum tubes. Harddrives in 2017 is a bizzare anachronism; like a fusion powerplant that operates using steam pistons; MEMS circuits or landing on the moon using sextants for navigations.
They're hardly anachronistic. HDDs are there for storage that doesn't need to be snappy, such as films you keep downloaded. SSDs while amazing, are impractical for most home consumers in sizes larger than 250gb since the cost is too high.
I had a server computer with "4" 15k rpm 300 gigabytes hdd and my God it sounded like a shotgun that just constantly kept reloading and shooting and I can play crisis at 100 fps at medium quality with a new graphics card
Sing me a song, of a hard drive that is gone, Say, could that hard drive be thy? Merry the soul, it sat in a chassis Over the power supply to say bye..... Bellow the screetch, scratch on the disks, Mountains of files and games All that was blue, all that was high All that was thy, have gone..... watch?v=mUBRbJPJtio
@@ojogo2928 lol, thanks for pointing me, that i ever made such comment. i totally forgot. :o still i cant remember what i was doing when made that comment.:s
1:27 wrrrrooooaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiibeep......ehhhhhh.....tttttttttttttttttt........-----e.hh..et...te....ttt..e......iiiiiiieeeeeeooooouuuuuwwwww....... (lol I was trying to make a text version of the sounds the hard drive is making)
Back in the late 1990s I knew a guy making really good money in IT, he ran SCSI on his gaming computer. Windows 98 booted up in like 5 seconds it was nuts.
I know i am replying to an old comment but that definitively would be amazing seeing that in the 90's now we get pissed when our computers don't boot in mere 3 seconds or load AAA games without a hitch
I´m still happy enough with ~120 MB/s @HDDs. My SSDs are not much faster because of the SATA2 or 3 mainboard... don´t know. A board of the year 2016 ;)
@@NativeVsColonial Even modern HDD's are vastly faster than this drive. I can do 250 mb/s with my WD 12tb Gold when its empty. When its half full I'm still well over 150 mb/s.
@@cytro Yeah this drive was ancient in 2017, which is the year that the first 12tb WD Gold's were produced and they regularly transfer at 200 mb/s. Heck, even my older 2tb and 4tb WD Blacks are much faster than this. This was probably very fast in the early 2000's.
20 year data center veteran here. Back in the early 00's this exact model was king of high end storage. We had racks full of them, magnificent loud racks that sounded like engines spooling up. They generated a lot of heat too. Later we went to the 36 GB model and I had the opportunity to take home a few of the 18s for my home server. What a treat! Today, high speed disk is rare. 7200 RPM "near line" SATA class disk is still common for the "cheap and deep" tier, but the 15KRPM disks have all given way to SSD.
Our database servers used raid10s of 300gb savvio 15k.3 2.5" disks - they were dying like flies! Every few weeks we had to replace one; I dont think Seagate made any profit on us :-) Oh the joys of rebuilding a production database on new years night with fireworks going off all around you (I still get PTSD just from thinking back to it). Up to 146GB they were ok, but above that I guess the packing was just too dense for the heat output and vibrations.
@@tsjeriAu I did try similar things. I had damping tile to put my case on, also some dampening feet on the case plus sharkoon drive damping system. Which used 4 rubber bungs screwed into the drive That slid into a 5.25 inch bay. All that didn't work, what worked the best was the bungee cords.
Well I have SATA 1 5400rpm 2.5 HDD from an old laptop and used it as desktop storage for a junk dedicated streaming PC i5 2310/2400 as encoder 2x 2gb ram And this SATA 1 2.5hdd 👻😅🤣
I've got a pair of 32MB SSD that are about to turn 20 It was created because mechanical drives caused too much noise & vibration for their application. The computer is passively cooled - Cyrix GXm233 with 16x SHARC DSP which achieve something like 2.1 GFLOP sustained & 3.2 GFLOP sustained, 800x600 colour touch screen, even the internal R Core based LR PSU is convection cooled, the only time the system can vibrate is when you save a file to 3.5" floppy for transferring data between venues, but RS-232 was available and is what I use. In 2000 the computers were £17,038 each and the updated SSD + firmware/software came in 2001. So not within the realms of the average user
Thankfully this drive has fluid dynamic bearings, so wear is nearly nonexistent. I do have some 10000 RPM drives with ball bearings though, those get *loud* when they wear out...
Phil my very first SCSI drive was a Seagate 4GB 15K 68pin attached to a Tekram SCSI controller back in 1998, The drive cost me £160, my system was a Celeron 300a clocked to 450MHZ and and a Nvidia TNT2. It was money well spent as it turned my pc into a absolutely power house for loading games in the blink of an eye, happy days. I have many 15K drives today by all the main manufacturers with 68pin/ 80pin and SAS. I have an server running 3x 147GB 15K SAS RAID5 that's never let me down :-)
Ah, 15k drives, kings of the SQL servers. Now that multi terabyte SSD drives are available, there's really no more niche for these but before big SSDs became available it was the only way to improve database performance (aside from ginormous caches in battery-backed RAID configurations, which come with their own issues). Noisy, hot, and failure prone, but so very, very fast for mechanical hard drives.
Sounds like a mixture of a dentist drill and jet engine. We have a couple of these drives, as well as the 73.4 GB versions still running in some older servers. They work fine after many years of continuous operation, so very reliable drives in spite of the high rotation speed. Of course these days you could replace them with SSD's and get superior performance without the noise, heat, power etc., which is probably what will happen when they finally give up the ghost.
I used to run one of these as a system drive at home.. it generated so much heat the entire metal frame of my case would heat up. I ended up using thermal epoxy to attach an extra heatsink+fan to the drive cage. Was damn fast, though!
Wagoo I run 2x 2TB Western Digital Black drives and they cannot be touched immediately after shutting down because they will BURN your hands. They run at around 105 to 110 degrees in my computer. That's in Fahrenheit.
I think this is an art form, and I like it. In my memory, the noisiest HD in the world was the 1 ~ 2GB Quantum Fireball that I had in a 96 setup. When new it was very noisy, but after a few years, it became much more so, to the point where I could hear the HD working in any room in the house, it sounded like an engine using steel chains as traction.The Bigfoot makes a similar noise.
I feel like this is exactly what the internet was made for. Listening to Quake II being written to a weird hard drive as if you were holding your ear to it.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you have a SCSI controller with max 80MB/s transfer rate? I'm running a 10.000RPM Seagate Cheetah on my Tully, on a Ultra 160 SCSI controller, and it can manage over 100MB/s, so I would expect the 15.000RPM ones to be much faster than that.
I've been using Cheetah drives from 1997 when it was 10K, from the first X15 in 2000 till now in my retro builds. The performance and reliability are excellent. Actually I still own two 9.1GB Cheetah 10K drives I bought back in 1998 and it's now 20 years they are working flawlessly.
It's funny isn't it, back when this drive was new, we needed a drive spinning at just shy of the same max RPM of a formula 1 car to reach 70MB/s and an access time of sub 10ms, now we can get the same perf from a 5400RPM laptop drive :D That noise though, imagine a data center with hundreds of the buggers all going at once, modern data centers are loud, but it's probably nothing to what these would have sounded like. I'm a new subscriber btw, and I've spent the last few days just binge watching your content, I love learning about classic hardware and software and your channel is perfect for that. I've recently built myself a Pentium D 950 system from an old Packard Bell system, and use it for all the games that me and our lass played when we were kids, and I love it, it takes me right back to being a kid and playing all these cool games that I was in awe of back then. Keep up the great work Phil, your channel is awesome.
I think I have two of these drives lying arround with the matching SCSI controller in raid. Got it from my school from an abdonend server. The Mainboard was dead, changed the caps, but now it still doesn´t want wo work properly. But when I think about it, I have a bunch of SCSI drives in an old 3 height rack server from Dell, that is a big beast with 4 Xenons at 2ghz. I use a SCSI controller in my main win 98 rig, but only for an Nakamichi 5 disc changer CD drive, so I planned to use some scsi hdd in it.
We used to use those as the main storage for Squid http cache servers. The cache were essential when multiple user needed to share a small internet uplink.
Most of my server drives are 10K SAS (serial attached SCSI) but I have a few 15K too, they're a bit faster but the wear and tear and lower life (well theoretically lower life) is a down side I personally don't think is worth it
Man i just had some epic flash backs to when all computers sounded like a percolator brewing. Remember when w95a came out and system memory counts were low. That hdd would be swapping for memory and seeking non stop whenever it was on. PC doing nothing making a racket.
They're not actually too loud, I've got two of these in a home server (not the exact model, one is 160GB and the other is 15.3GB, but they're still 15K RPM drives. The 15GB unit is Compaq OEM.) What really makes computers that use these loud is typically the fans, since they are often designed for always-on server systems.
oh man I remember the sub 100MB/s read/write those were terrible times! I was freaking out cuz I paid quite a bit for my raptors which were only doing about 80MB/s and my bro got a cheap $40 SATA III drive that was doing 120MB/s some months after.
I used to have a Compaq dual Pentium III 733Mhz workstation with 4 first-gen Seagate Cheetah 15k drives in a RAID 10 (with a Compaq Smart Array Controller that had, for the time, a huge amount of battery backed write-back array cache). I loved how that system would spin up each drive one at a time, and those early era 15k drives made amazing sounds as they spun up to speed. Each drive would first sound like a 7200 rpm barracuda, then a 10k cheetah, and then the pitch would climb higher as it spun up to an insane 15,000 RPM. Today, the PCI-E 4 Seagate FireCuda 520 NVME drives in my machine make no noise; no drama or excitement as my machine starts up.
All this chatter :) is amusing to a 78 year old who started 33+ years ago with a MacPlus/SE with an 400 KB floppy drive and a 20 Mgb drive. I had to backup to 50 floppy disks using software that told me which floppy to insert next. Took 2 hours to do a complete backup. Now I copy 32 Gb flash drives, etc. I store all my stuff in iCloud and flash drives. Been through most of it with the Macintosh. A dozen or more laptops and desktops, interchangeable drives, cds and now am happy with a MacBook Air and USB C. Recovered 8 year old data from a TimeCapsule had and looking forward to the second drive. I have 10 Terrabytes in iCloud... oh, well. Lots of luck to everyone.
Oh, and these old drives have super powerful R/W head motor, during heavy access, it can actually shake the table a bit. (My experience with IBM Ultrastor 7200RPM...)
Nice to see and hear. Today i finally shut down at work a HP EVA 4100 SAN with 56 300GB 15k fibre channel drives. Would be be cool to play with it at home, but with a power consumpion around 1800Wh and loud as hell its not an option. We also have an EVA 6100 with 112 15K drives i will start to wipe next week. 3400Wh on that system.
I've used dozens of this particular model of drive, they are very good and ideal for use in old UNIX systems, eg. I use them by default in SGIs such as IRIS Indigo, Indy and Indigo2. I've supplied them as replacements for industrial & commercial users all over the world, plus of course numerous hobbyists. The audio aspect is intriguing because I have to say, all the working units I've dealt with are very quiet, your recordings make it sound much worse than it really is. :D It's why I use them in SGIs, to minimise noise, indeed it's quieter than the vast majority of 10K drives. I have lots of 15K drives, but I bought 400 of the Seagate you're using here many years ago, still have a few left. For systems that support UW SCSI though and especially U160, such as SGI's O2, Octane and Fuel/Tezro/etc. systems, I use the Fujitsu MAS or MAX series instead which are faster and even quieter, the MAS being the best of any drive I've tested so far, while the MAX has the best access time I've found so far. See: www.sgidepot.co.uk/diskdata.html
My anime collection was on a set of 8 76-ish GB 10K full height 3.5 quantums in a Dell 4u DAS U-320 for a while. It had staggered startup with 2 at a time. Was awesome but just a bit loud. Full height 3.5" drives were as tall as dvd drives are today.
Currently I am running a sql server on Seagate Cheetah ST373455LW 15K5 LW U320 SCASI drive. The hard disk output is : >> disk reads: 378 MB in 3.02 seconds = 125.12 MB/sec
Didn't have 1 if these but had 2 western digital 150gb raptors in raid0. Was loud as heck but fast. Later on I put 1 in a external mybook case and used it as a drive for my PS3 which improved game installs massively.
People often don't give enough credit to HDDs. Sure, SSDs may have bested it in terms of sequential read and write speeds, but the technology behind hard disk drives truly are amazing.
We had a lot of those drives in HP proliant machines back in the day, you had to have a carepack for the machine, the fault rate was about a couple per year on a fileserver, very fast drives indeed!
Got three good old WD VelioRaptor 1TB HDD in my tower. The sound of 3x 10,000rpms starting up and slowing down is indeed a interesting sound. Mind you the third one is used solely as a backup for the other two so sometimes will hear all three running.
I was very proud of my 10k rpm IBM drive in 1999. I used to leave that computer on all the time in my tiny dorm room and I'd wonder why it made the most annoying high pitched sound. Looking back it was probably the small-diameter CPU fan + that drive. The scratching sounds of hard disks are music to my ears, though. If something was loading or installing, you were good as long as the HDD was still being read/written to. When it goes silent and nothing's happening on screen (a common occurrence in Win95-Win98-WinMe) is when you get worried that the PC has crashed once more.
Got one of the 73GB still installed in my old Pentium D system. Used it for Altium DXP PCB/Schematics design. Fastest seek time for all those components libraries. Just wonderful.
In my dual PII system from around 99 I used a 15k cheetah (much older model than this, and only 9.1GB) it would smoke all the ATA drives back in the day... good times... later moved on to the 73gb 15k fuijitsu scsi drives, those things really were awesome
I have a Compaq 15k BF01863644 18.2GB drive that spins up fine, but tells the controller it's "not ready" even after idling for an hour.. no noise beyond spinning up and doing its initial seek. Last time I had it fired up, it *WAS* working, now I don't know what's wrong..
Nowadays we have SD cards with MUCH higher capacity and faster read/write speeds. That's fucking insane in only 20 years. We went from these hulking loud ass beasts to tiny little cards that make zero noise whatsoever. And that's JUST SD cards. Not even gonna mention how SSD's have made HDD's completely obsolete in virtually every way. The ONLY thing HDD's are good for nowadays is raw storage space per dollar, but that honestly won't last long.
You must have had the microphone right up against the drive. I have 4 of those in my retro-machine: 36 GB, 73 GB, 146 GB and 300 GB, you can barely hear them from outside of the case. I just mounted the drive cage on rubber washers, to isolate it from the case.
Having been offered a Seagate Cheetah 15k drive recently, I'm glad I came across this vid. Frankly, I really don't need the noise and heat issues since I'm in an apt. as well as the fact that I just noodle around on fb and youtube, anyway.. Still, the fascination with access to faster and "better" tech is a trap that my monkey instincts almost can't resist.
60MB/s may not seem much but for a 36GB drive? that's lightning fast. You can fill the ENTIRE drive in just 10 minutes (assuming constant transfer rate). That's the equivalent of a 1TB HDD transferring files at ~1600MB/s
I bought the 9GB 10KRPM model for my Pentium III back in the day. I had an Adaptec Ultra160 card for this and my Plextor CD-RW drives. I used the SCSI drive for working with audio files in Cool Edit Pro, since it did a lot of scanning and copying files when you applied edits. Performance got _a lot_ better with non-destructive editing and faster CPUs to apply effects in real-time in the Pentium 4 and Core 2 days.
I have used these types of drives in large arrays on servers for data handling. I found when comparing this type of drive to regular drives the higher RPM drives tend to have a higher rate of failure.
I find it hard to believe that a mechanical device can operate reliably with such tolerances. It boggles the mind. That disc is doing 250 rotations per second so a sector is 4ms away assuming the head is in the right track. For 3.5in I get 140m/s or 300 mph at the edge. Which makes 21,800g. Under these conditions the disc will grow by many times the track width. So it really is amazing it works.
Jesus..sounds like a bad trip to the dentist.
EW
Jesus saves you from an eternity spent in Hell, the awful consequence of sin. It is a FREE gift which you receive by believing in and trusting in the FINISHED WORK and the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ at the cross at Calvary for your sins!
Romans 10:9-10 (KJV)
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Romans 10:13 (KJV)
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
John 3:3 (KJV)
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Romans 6:23 (KJV)
For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Are You Saved?
If you do not know for sure that you are saved, please settle this issue permanently.
Satan does not want you to accept God's gift of eternal life with Him in Heaven.
He wants to drag you into Hell with him, and the time for you to make a decision on your eternal destiny grows very short.
The time will soon come when God will no longer offer his gift of eternal life.
Making no decision is the same as rejecting God and choosing to spend eternity in Hell.
Please do not put off making your decision for Jesus until it is too late.
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Acts 16:31 KJV
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 4:12 KJV
For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Luke 19:10 KJV
You are not saved by your own righteousness but by what the Lord Jesus Christ has done for us on the cross.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Galatians 5:4 (KJV)
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Galatians 3:10 (KJV)
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Romans 10:4 (KJV)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
@Garf
Hailing your own damnation.
Remember who kicked him out of heaven.
Garf
*jesus
@Garf why do people even say this stuff on yt like first of all its unrelated second of all, that is what churches are for and third of all, no one cares
Harddrives are almost indistinguishable from magic. Even this older drive.
You have a platter spinning at 250 revolutions per second on bearings (which are always somewhat uneven and cause some vibrations and uneven motion) and on average the read head can in 6 ms nail a ~200 nm wide track (1/500th of a human hair) and wait until the platter has spun just the right amount to nail a ~25 nm wide spot where it is to start reading, on a disk surface that is flying past at ~40 m/s; right to within less than a billionth of a second. And this thing has to be able to operate in a hot, noisy, vibrating environment, continously, for years with a very low tolerance for read errors.
Harddrives were seemingly ancient, obsolete tech that would be near impossible to miniaturize further in the 1980's; comparable to core memory or vacuum tubes. Harddrives in 2017 is a bizzare anachronism; like a fusion powerplant that operates using steam pistons; MEMS circuits or landing on the moon using sextants for navigations.
They're hardly anachronistic. HDDs are there for storage that doesn't need to be snappy, such as films you keep downloaded. SSDs while amazing, are impractical for most home consumers in sizes larger than 250gb since the cost is too high.
Ilias and not to mention it's not good to store a lot of information on SSD cuz the storage it self is basically volatile if the chips go bad
Hey man, no need to re-invent the wheel
That's so amazing. I agree hard drives are both magical and anachronistic. Their magic will soon dissipate...
And engineer the fluid dynamics or air that hold the head over those spinnin' platters!
"Do you have any personal stories involving 15000 rpm hard drives"? - Best chat up line ever!
If you want to turn you partners nether regions into the Mojave desert..
yes i had, those drives souned like a jet engine, and fast as hell!
I had a server computer with "4" 15k rpm 300 gigabytes hdd and my God it sounded like a shotgun that just constantly kept reloading and shooting and I can play crisis at 100 fps at medium quality with a new graphics card
i remememeber, also crysis @:-)
@@theblackbaron4119 Oof, so dry. Haha.
1:35 : let me sing you the song of my people
Sing me a song, of a hard drive that is gone,
Say, could that hard drive be thy?
Merry the soul, it sat in a chassis
Over the power supply to say bye.....
Bellow the screetch, scratch on the disks,
Mountains of files and games
All that was blue, all that was high
All that was thy, have gone.....
watch?v=mUBRbJPJtio
@@iceberg789 Outlander
@@ojogo2928 lol, thanks for pointing me, that i ever made such comment. i totally forgot. :o
still i cant remember what i was doing when made that comment.:s
haha hdd go brr
1:27 wrrrrooooaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiibeep......ehhhhhh.....tttttttttttttttttt........-----e.hh..et...te....ttt..e......iiiiiiieeeeeeooooouuuuuwwwww.......
(lol I was trying to make a text version of the sounds the hard drive is making)
Back in the late 1990s I knew a guy making really good money in IT, he ran SCSI on his gaming computer. Windows 98 booted up in like 5 seconds it was nuts.
I know i am replying to an old comment but
that definitively would be amazing seeing that in the 90's
now we get pissed when our computers don't boot in mere 3 seconds or load AAA games without a hitch
@@necrobynerton7384 yeah I was crazy jealous lol
@@Anemonea yep lol
10k RPM Raptor existed
@@GewelReal This was like 98-99 I don't think the 10k Raptor was out yet.
SSD: I'm going to pretend I didn't see that
Speeds 3 years ago: 70MB/s
Speeds now: 7000MB/s
We're talking about HDDs here not SSDs
I´m still happy enough with ~120 MB/s @HDDs.
My SSDs are not much faster because of the SATA2 or 3 mainboard... don´t know. A board of the year 2016 ;)
this hard drive is much older actually
@@NativeVsColonial Even modern HDD's are vastly faster than this drive. I can do 250 mb/s with my WD 12tb Gold when its empty. When its half full I'm still well over 150 mb/s.
@@cytro Yeah this drive was ancient in 2017, which is the year that the first 12tb WD Gold's were produced and they regularly transfer at 200 mb/s. Heck, even my older 2tb and 4tb WD Blacks are much faster than this. This was probably very fast in the early 2000's.
20 year data center veteran here. Back in the early 00's this exact model was king of high end storage. We had racks full of them, magnificent loud racks that sounded like engines spooling up. They generated a lot of heat too. Later we went to the 36 GB model and I had the opportunity to take home a few of the 18s for my home server. What a treat!
Today, high speed disk is rare. 7200 RPM "near line" SATA class disk is still common for the "cheap and deep" tier, but the 15KRPM disks have all given way to SSD.
Our database servers used raid10s of 300gb savvio 15k.3 2.5" disks - they were dying like flies! Every few weeks we had to replace one; I dont think Seagate made any profit on us :-)
Oh the joys of rebuilding a production database on new years night with fireworks going off all around you (I still get PTSD just from thinking back to it). Up to 146GB they were ok, but above that I guess the packing was just too dense for the heat output and vibrations.
My 10k rpm Rapor drive was hung from bungee cords inside a 5 1/4" bay to subdue it. It worked a treat.
It does. I used bungees on my entire hard drive cage full of drives. It stopped all the resonance from traveling through the floor to down stairs.
@@mrkeefor
At that point, wouldn't it be easier and safer to use spikes or other sound/vibration damping feet for speakers on the case?
@@tsjeriAu I did try similar things. I had damping tile to put my case on, also some dampening feet on the case plus sharkoon drive damping system. Which used 4 rubber bungs screwed into the drive That slid into a 5.25 inch bay.
All that didn't work, what worked the best was the bungee cords.
Hard drive : *spinning*
Captions : [Music]
Hard drive: spinning down
captions: [Music]
[Music]
Techno
you should have started the video with that spinning up sound
Yes please!
Back in the days, when ssds were not available yet, drive like this was a dream to have in a pc :D Even before SATA1 was a thing...
Well I have SATA 1 5400rpm 2.5 HDD from an old laptop and used it as desktop storage for a junk dedicated streaming PC
i5 2310/2400 as encoder
2x 2gb ram
And this SATA 1 2.5hdd
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I've got a pair of 32MB SSD that are about to turn 20
It was created because mechanical drives caused too much noise & vibration for their application. The computer is passively cooled - Cyrix GXm233 with 16x SHARC DSP which achieve something like 2.1 GFLOP sustained & 3.2 GFLOP sustained, 800x600 colour touch screen, even the internal R Core based LR PSU is convection cooled, the only time the system can vibrate is when you save a file to 3.5" floppy for transferring data between venues, but RS-232 was available and is what I use.
In 2000 the computers were £17,038 each and the updated SSD + firmware/software came in 2001. So not within the realms of the average user
and take off
The afterburner of this device must be quite hasty.
"Doitlooklikei'mleftoffbadandboujee"
Dr_Kachu san imagine how bad that drive would sound with bad bearings in the spindle
Thankfully this drive has fluid dynamic bearings, so wear is nearly nonexistent. I do have some 10000 RPM drives with ball bearings though, those get *loud* when they wear out...
Its gonna fly!!
Phil my very first SCSI drive was a Seagate 4GB 15K 68pin attached to a Tekram SCSI controller back in 1998,
The drive cost me £160, my system was a Celeron 300a clocked to 450MHZ and and a Nvidia TNT2.
It was money well spent as it turned my pc into a absolutely power house for loading games in the blink of an eye, happy days.
I have many 15K drives today by all the main manufacturers with 68pin/ 80pin and SAS.
I have an server running 3x 147GB 15K SAS RAID5 that's never let me down :-)
Ah, 15k drives, kings of the SQL servers. Now that multi terabyte SSD drives are available, there's really no more niche for these but before big SSDs became available it was the only way to improve database performance (aside from ginormous caches in battery-backed RAID configurations, which come with their own issues). Noisy, hot, and failure prone, but so very, very fast for mechanical hard drives.
Sounds like a mixture of a dentist drill and jet engine.
We have a couple of these drives, as well as the 73.4 GB versions still running in some older servers. They work fine after many years of continuous operation, so very reliable drives in spite of the high rotation speed. Of course these days you could replace them with SSD's and get superior performance without the noise, heat, power etc., which is probably what will happen when they finally give up the ghost.
I used to run one of these as a system drive at home.. it generated so much heat the entire metal frame of my case would heat up. I ended up using thermal epoxy to attach an extra heatsink+fan to the drive cage. Was damn fast, though!
Wagoo I run 2x 2TB Western Digital Black drives and they cannot be touched immediately after shutting down because they will BURN your hands. They run at around 105 to 110 degrees in my computer.
That's in Fahrenheit.
TheComputerGeek010101001 that shouldn't be good for them in the long run
How did it run games and apps compared to ssd?
@@TCGProductions03 110 fahrenheit is not "burning" hot in any way
@@BlueWafer 3 year old comment bruh
do you want me to record what 30 or so of these sound like when they are writing files over a raid? :p
yes we would!
still waiting lmao
No one ever said no
Still waiting...
2021 still waiting
The sound spinning up reminds me of a CNC router spindle.
At work, we have tons of these. Powering on the storage arrays after maintenance is a nice sound.
Got my new Seagate this week. 9600 rpms less but a Seagate is a Seagate!
"Writing Quake 2 Files" - I see this man has good taste in games
I think this is an art form, and I like it. In my memory, the noisiest HD in the world was the 1 ~ 2GB Quantum Fireball that I had in a 96 setup. When new it was very noisy, but after a few years, it became much more so, to the point where I could hear the HD working in any room in the house, it sounded like an engine using steel chains as traction.The Bigfoot makes a similar noise.
I feel like this is exactly what the internet was made for. Listening to Quake II being written to a weird hard drive as if you were holding your ear to it.
I loved the sound of old HDs from the 90s. Id usually leave my machine on all night and the sound helped me sleep better.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you have a SCSI controller with max 80MB/s transfer rate? I'm running a 10.000RPM Seagate Cheetah on my Tully, on a Ultra 160 SCSI controller, and it can manage over 100MB/s, so I would expect the 15.000RPM ones to be much faster than that.
Single 74GB WD Raptor is much faster than Cheetah in video. Looks suspicious to me. That WD Raptor is from 2004.
Yeah, there should be some type of curve and not a flat line. A hard drive won't do that.
Was it with a regular or 64bits PCI(-X) card ? A reply would help me a lot. Thanks.
I've been using Cheetah drives from 1997 when it was 10K, from the first X15 in 2000 till now in my retro builds. The performance and reliability are excellent. Actually I still own two 9.1GB Cheetah 10K drives I bought back in 1998 and it's now 20 years they are working flawlessly.
1:40 sounds like I'm dragging a stick down the sidewalk.
I have two HP dl360 G4 Servers, each one with two 72gb 15000 RPM scsi drives. When I Start Up one of These Servers the Sound is really marvelous
When its seeking it sounds like an a10 warthog cannon
Maybe that's the gun mechanism using harddisk to spin.
I had a pair of these in RAID0 as a boot drive about twenty years ago. The noise is absolutely unbelievable.
I had three of these in one computer. They absolutely screamed.
It's funny isn't it, back when this drive was new, we needed a drive spinning at just shy of the same max RPM of a formula 1 car to reach 70MB/s and an access time of sub 10ms, now we can get the same perf from a 5400RPM laptop drive :D
That noise though, imagine a data center with hundreds of the buggers all going at once, modern data centers are loud, but it's probably nothing to what these would have sounded like.
I'm a new subscriber btw, and I've spent the last few days just binge watching your content, I love learning about classic hardware and software and your channel is perfect for that.
I've recently built myself a Pentium D 950 system from an old Packard Bell system, and use it for all the games that me and our lass played when we were kids, and I love it, it takes me right back to being a kid and playing all these cool games that I was in awe of back then.
Keep up the great work Phil, your channel is awesome.
I think I have two of these drives lying arround with the matching SCSI controller in raid. Got it from my school from an abdonend server. The Mainboard was dead, changed the caps, but now it still doesn´t want wo work properly. But when I think about it, I have a bunch of SCSI drives in an old 3 height rack server from Dell, that is a big beast with 4 Xenons at 2ghz. I use a SCSI controller in my main win 98 rig, but only for an Nakamichi 5 disc changer CD drive, so I planned to use some scsi hdd in it.
Best Video EVER because it was short. Nice for a change.
Watching your 10,000 RPM SCSI drive the other day, I seemed to remember a 15k drive. neat to see you have one!
This was the best sound to fall asleep too, next to your bed is a pc who hosted some games as a server:D.
Never slept so good:D
"Writing Quake II files" made me laugh :)
We used to use those as the main storage for Squid http cache servers. The cache were essential when multiple user needed to share a small internet uplink.
Most of my server drives are 10K SAS (serial attached SCSI) but I have a few 15K too, they're a bit faster but the wear and tear and lower life (well theoretically lower life) is a down side I personally don't think is worth it
I had one of these, loved it. It even gave higher capacity 10k drives a run for their money, years later.
Yes, I currently have 4x 15k SAS drives in my gaming rig w/ a PERC caching controller. :)
Same!!
Though two have died already haha
This is the sizzling sound that comes out during data reading... It relaxes me a lot
Man i just had some epic flash backs to when all computers sounded like a percolator brewing. Remember when w95a came out and system memory counts were low. That hdd would be swapping for memory and seeking non stop whenever it was on. PC doing nothing making a racket.
Sounds beautiful and satisfying
I had a 10k U160 drive in the early 2000s. I remember how fast windows 2000 would boot at the time. It's was like the jump from HDD to SSD.
They're not actually too loud, I've got two of these in a home server (not the exact model, one is 160GB and the other is 15.3GB, but they're still 15K RPM drives. The 15GB unit is Compaq OEM.)
What really makes computers that use these loud is typically the fans, since they are often designed for always-on server systems.
My firend: Hey bro I think there's an helicotper on top of your house.
Me: No don't worry it's just my hard drive...
oh man I remember the sub 100MB/s read/write those were terrible times! I was freaking out cuz I paid quite a bit for my raptors which were only doing about 80MB/s and my bro got a cheap $40 SATA III drive that was doing 120MB/s some months after.
A 12 disk shelf of these bad boys sounds really good on startup.
I used to have a Compaq dual Pentium III 733Mhz workstation with 4 first-gen Seagate Cheetah 15k drives in a RAID 10 (with a Compaq Smart Array Controller that had, for the time, a huge amount of battery backed write-back array cache). I loved how that system would spin up each drive one at a time, and those early era 15k drives made amazing sounds as they spun up to speed. Each drive would first sound like a 7200 rpm barracuda, then a 10k cheetah, and then the pitch would climb higher as it spun up to an insane 15,000 RPM. Today, the PCI-E 4 Seagate FireCuda 520 NVME drives in my machine make no noise; no drama or excitement as my machine starts up.
All this chatter :) is amusing to a 78 year old who started 33+ years ago with a MacPlus/SE with an 400 KB floppy drive and a 20 Mgb drive. I had to backup to 50 floppy disks using software that told me which floppy to insert next. Took 2 hours to do a complete backup. Now I copy 32 Gb flash drives, etc. I store all my stuff in iCloud and flash drives. Been through most of it with the Macintosh. A dozen or more laptops and desktops, interchangeable drives, cds and now am happy with a MacBook Air and USB C. Recovered 8 year old data from a TimeCapsule had and looking forward to the second drive. I have 10 Terrabytes in iCloud... oh, well. Lots of luck to everyone.
This is some asmr for my ears I would never guess that I hear a old harddrive spin up from my childhood
Oh, and these old drives have super powerful R/W head motor, during heavy access, it can actually shake the table a bit. (My experience with IBM Ultrastor 7200RPM...)
I love the writing sound on hard drives
Imagine this drive shattering :D
Never gonna happen. Your mixed up with CD and DVD plastic which shattered when exceeding x52
Nice to see and hear. Today i finally shut down at work a HP EVA 4100 SAN with 56 300GB 15k fibre channel drives. Would be be cool to play with it at home, but with a power consumpion around 1800Wh and loud as hell its not an option. We also have an EVA 6100 with 112 15K drives i will start to wipe next week. 3400Wh on that system.
I've used dozens of this particular model of drive, they are very good and ideal for use in old UNIX systems, eg. I use them by default in SGIs such as IRIS Indigo, Indy and Indigo2. I've supplied them as replacements for industrial & commercial users all over the world, plus of course numerous hobbyists. The audio aspect is intriguing because I have to say, all the working units I've dealt with are very quiet, your recordings make it sound much worse than it really is. :D It's why I use them in SGIs, to minimise noise, indeed it's quieter than the vast majority of 10K drives.
I have lots of 15K drives, but I bought 400 of the Seagate you're using here many years ago, still have a few left. For systems that support UW SCSI though and especially U160, such as SGI's O2, Octane and Fuel/Tezro/etc. systems, I use the Fujitsu MAS or MAX series instead which are faster and even quieter, the MAS being the best of any drive I've tested so far, while the MAX has the best access time I've found so far. See:
www.sgidepot.co.uk/diskdata.html
My anime collection was on a set of 8 76-ish GB 10K full height 3.5 quantums in a Dell 4u DAS U-320 for a while. It had staggered startup with 2 at a time. Was awesome but just a bit loud. Full height 3.5" drives were as tall as dvd drives are today.
Currently I am running a sql server on Seagate Cheetah ST373455LW 15K5 LW U320 SCASI drive. The hard disk output is : >> disk reads: 378 MB in 3.02 seconds = 125.12 MB/sec
Didn't have 1 if these but had 2 western digital 150gb raptors in raid0. Was loud as heck but fast.
Later on I put 1 in a external mybook case and used it as a drive for my PS3 which improved game installs massively.
I used to have 2 of these, later i had 2 2.5inch ones, they're a bit quieter.
Very fast for their time but they weren't that noisy.
Phil, if you ever do a retro gaming benchmark, benchmark Age of Empires 1 or 2. They can be quite demanding at times
The seeking noise I remember it from my dad's old server
"this not gonna hurt"
- Dentist
Ive seen one of the SAS 15K versions of this drive headcrash so violently that the platters were ground down to nothing. Crazy.
People often don't give enough credit to HDDs. Sure, SSDs may have bested it in terms of sequential read and write speeds, but the technology behind hard disk drives truly are amazing.
We had a lot of those drives in HP proliant machines back in the day, you had to have a carepack for the machine, the fault rate was about a couple per year on a fileserver, very fast drives indeed!
Got three good old WD VelioRaptor 1TB HDD in my tower. The sound of 3x 10,000rpms starting up and slowing down is indeed a interesting sound. Mind you the third one is used solely as a backup for the other two so sometimes will hear all three running.
awesome video man. uff. the sound i feel in the skin
I was very proud of my 10k rpm IBM drive in 1999. I used to leave that computer on all the time in my tiny dorm room and I'd wonder why it made the most annoying high pitched sound. Looking back it was probably the small-diameter CPU fan + that drive.
The scratching sounds of hard disks are music to my ears, though. If something was loading or installing, you were good as long as the HDD was still being read/written to. When it goes silent and nothing's happening on screen (a common occurrence in Win95-Win98-WinMe) is when you get worried that the PC has crashed once more.
Awesome Sound, Thanks Phil
it sounds a bit like a geiger counter :-) awesome drive, thanks for the review
Got one of the 73GB still installed in my old Pentium D system. Used it for Altium DXP PCB/Schematics design. Fastest seek time for all those components libraries. Just wonderful.
Great Retro Videos! Love it! Been Rocking since my first Amiga 1000 Atari ST1040 Mac Plus and 16MHZ Northgate 286. Still have them.
'Seeking' sounds like my father's snore :D
I really miss those HDD sounds!
This was my dream drive back in 2004.
*"GOTSA GO FEST"*
I remember these things, and they cost an arm and your first born back in the day. They made all the difference for performance.
In my dual PII system from around 99 I used a 15k cheetah (much older model than this, and only 9.1GB) it would smoke all the ATA drives back in the day... good times... later moved on to the 73gb 15k fuijitsu scsi drives, those things really were awesome
Nice :)
I have a Compaq 15k BF01863644 18.2GB drive that spins up fine, but tells the controller it's "not ready" even after idling for an hour.. no noise beyond spinning up and doing its initial seek. Last time I had it fired up, it *WAS* working, now I don't know what's wrong..
A comparison against 5400/7200 rpm ide/sata drives would have been very nice and informative.
Phil, did you ever try out the WD Raptor and/or Veliceraptor HDD's for SATA ?
These were the ENTERPRISE class drives that spun at 10k.
I have a two 15k RPM drives laying around.15k4 & 15k5. They sound pretty good at startup
Nowadays we have SD cards with MUCH higher capacity and faster read/write speeds. That's fucking insane in only 20 years. We went from these hulking loud ass beasts to tiny little cards that make zero noise whatsoever. And that's JUST SD cards. Not even gonna mention how SSD's have made HDD's completely obsolete in virtually every way. The ONLY thing HDD's are good for nowadays is raw storage space per dollar, but that honestly won't last long.
You must have had the microphone right up against the drive. I have 4 of those in my retro-machine: 36 GB, 73 GB, 146 GB and 300 GB, you can barely hear them from outside of the case. I just mounted the drive cage on rubber washers, to isolate it from the case.
uploaded in 2017...
YT algorithm in 2021: I'm gonna show this for you NOW!
noone :
absolutely noone:
my ps4 when im trying to play at 1am : 1:32
this is one really fast vacuum cleaner
I still support several servers at work using these drives and some have been in constant use since 2004 still on the original drives!
Having been offered a Seagate Cheetah 15k drive recently, I'm glad I came across this vid. Frankly, I really don't need the noise and heat issues since I'm in an apt. as well as the fact that I just noodle around on fb and youtube, anyway.. Still, the fascination with access to faster and "better" tech is a trap that my monkey instincts almost can't resist.
Thanx
60MB/s may not seem much but for a 36GB drive? that's lightning fast. You can fill the ENTIRE drive in just 10 minutes (assuming constant transfer rate).
That's the equivalent of a 1TB HDD transferring files at ~1600MB/s
I bought the 9GB 10KRPM model for my Pentium III back in the day. I had an Adaptec Ultra160 card for this and my Plextor CD-RW drives. I used the SCSI drive for working with audio files in Cool Edit Pro, since it did a lot of scanning and copying files when you applied edits.
Performance got _a lot_ better with non-destructive editing and faster CPUs to apply effects in real-time in the Pentium 4 and Core 2 days.
My memory of these drives is although fast, they were always too damn small and expensive. Like SSDs when they first came out...
I used HDDs for quite a long time. Didnt switch to SSDs till 2015.
I had a 6 of those in a custom raid. You had to stagger the start or it would draw much current.
I have used these types of drives in large arrays on servers for data handling. I found when comparing this type of drive to regular drives the higher RPM drives tend to have a higher rate of failure.
I find it hard to believe that a mechanical device can operate reliably with such tolerances. It boggles the mind. That disc is doing 250 rotations per second so a sector is 4ms away assuming the head is in the right track. For 3.5in I get 140m/s or 300 mph at the edge. Which makes 21,800g. Under these conditions the disc will grow by many times the track width. So it really is amazing it works.
Ahh, sounds way better than the last retro hard drive.