Maybe it's my pedestrian headphones and cheap desktop rig, BUT, the vinyl seems more dynamic and seems to fill the space, versus the digital which sounds like listening through an open door from another room. With the vinyl you're IN the room.
Both sound amazing. Vinyl sounds like a really enjoyable system. Digital sounds closer to what I hear when I’m in the concert hall. Live performances to me never sound like hifi systems no matter what the budget, but a good hifi can sound more alluring than being there live.
First thing I noticed, is the payback space is extremely reverberant. It adds coloration to the reverberation inherent in the recording space venue. Which can be kinda neat, but adds extra information not present in the source material. 🎉
For a RUclips demo, I think it sounds pretty darned good. As a classical lover and hifi enthusiast I'd love to hear it in the room. I've heard some pretty nice systems and the one thing that they do well is scale. I imagine that this one is even better as it has scale as well as the speed and liveliness of the big horns. This as compared to something like Wilson XVX or Rockports I've had the chance to hear with Gryphon, ARC, and D'Agostino. Sadly, there are not many places to hear a system such as this.
I prefer digital, even if it sounds a bit "drier" at first impression. To my ears it is closer to the concert hall experience. Vinyl sounds at first impression more dynamic, bolder and more "human". With all that, the sound spectrum in the midrange is slightly pushed forward and somewhat simplified, I suppose is due to compression. Thank you for presentation! It Is a great experience!!! ☺
After equalizing the volume (digital is much lower) I prefer the analog/vinyl system. More true, credible, engaging. The digital system needs valves even if only in the preamp. And that room needs acoustic treatment!!!
For my taste the first cut is far better on the digital. The vinyl was actually disappointing. It felt compressed and a little muddled. 2d. The digital had dynamics, life and air. My toe started to tap and I found it involving. All was missing in the vinyl. The digital had scale and presence in the crescendos in the finale. To me there is no contest.
So comparing analog to digital from a $2M system after it was captured on a phone? Sent through RUclips? Played through my older PC's 2ch line out? Into a modified 20+ year old 4.1 Cambridge Audio mini speakers system?
The vinyl sounds more lively and present, but a lot of that is coming from distortion and crosstalk. I don't think many digital recordings can match analog in perceived realness and feel, but the DA2i is winning at most technical aspects. At the loudest passages they seem fairly similar, and the difference is less than expecting when matching passage for passage. I'd be most interested to know which sounds closest to the master tape.
Vinyl was best in my listening through headphones. Digital did not have the presence that the vinyl did. I felt like I was at the concert hall listening to the vinyl rig and not just listening at home. This is a 2 million dollar system and they both sound phenomenal.
Placing a vinyl deck between speakers is the definition of insanity. I personally only have amps between speakers and sitting just 5-6 inches off floor, all source gear is in sound isolated closet. If your home cannot accommodate a sound isolated closet, at the very least, move all vibration sensitive equipment as far away from speakers as possible
The vinyl clearly sounds more dimensional. I can imagine that in person that systems does an amazing job of reproducing the scale of a piece like that. However, even through ear buds that room sounds VERY lively and reverberant. I would not be able to tolerate that for very long.
My questions are what format was the digital in? PCM? PDM? In DSD or DXD? If in standard PCM you really won’t hear much of a difference. If in PDM in DSD or DXD there will be a difference between analog vinyl and digital that will be audible.
What is the point of spending so much money on electronics if the room is not acoustically conditioned? At this level, the logical thing to do is to hire a professional, NOW!
Trust me I say this not to create controversy. I know you prefer digital, but it is not even close. Vinyl is much better in every way. Same experience I have in my system!!!
That room is far, far, far too live and reverberant! Regardless of the owners previous comments about his preference for an untreated room. Even when he speaks in the listening space his voice doesn’t sound natural.
How can we possibly know how it really sounds in the room. All this serves is to affirm your tribe, so I'll say analogue sounds better, since I personally prefer my analogue gear. Go analogue tribe, we are better.
For me it’s the vinyl all the way , it’s more engaging and that open room makes that piece sound more like a concert hall.
Maybe it's my pedestrian headphones and cheap desktop rig, BUT, the vinyl seems more dynamic and seems to fill the space, versus the digital which sounds like listening through an open door from another room. With the vinyl you're IN the room.
Both sound amazing. Vinyl sounds like a really enjoyable system. Digital sounds closer to what I hear when I’m in the concert hall. Live performances to me never sound like hifi systems no matter what the budget, but a good hifi can sound more alluring than being there live.
First thing I noticed, is the payback space is extremely reverberant. It adds coloration to the reverberation inherent in the recording space venue. Which can be kinda neat, but adds extra information not present in the source material. 🎉
Agree
@@hectoralvarez941 It is the room. No treatments.
For a RUclips demo, I think it sounds pretty darned good. As a classical lover and hifi enthusiast I'd love to hear it in the room. I've heard some pretty nice systems and the one thing that they do well is scale. I imagine that this one is even better as it has scale as well as the speed and liveliness of the big horns. This as compared to something like Wilson XVX or Rockports I've had the chance to hear with Gryphon, ARC, and D'Agostino. Sadly, there are not many places to hear a system such as this.
when I hear that echo when they are talking, I wonder why someone would spend two million on hifi and put it in a room like that waste of money
Amen!
It's not much of a debate, the Vinyl is much better in every way- but thanks for taking the time to do this, enjoyed it.
I prefer digital, even if it sounds a bit "drier" at first impression. To my ears it is closer to the concert hall experience.
Vinyl sounds at first impression more dynamic, bolder and more "human". With all that, the sound spectrum in the midrange is slightly pushed forward and somewhat simplified, I suppose is due to compression.
Thank you for presentation!
It Is a great experience!!! ☺
After equalizing the volume (digital is much lower) I prefer the analog/vinyl system. More true, credible, engaging. The digital system needs valves even if only in the preamp.
And that room needs acoustic treatment!!!
For my taste the first cut is far better on the digital. The vinyl was actually disappointing. It felt compressed and a little muddled. 2d. The digital had dynamics, life and air. My toe started to tap and I found it involving. All was missing in the vinyl.
The digital had scale and presence in the crescendos in the finale. To me there is no contest.
Sorry not what I heard. Not even close.
Very Entertaining Demo... Thanks
So comparing analog to digital from a $2M system after it was captured on a phone? Sent through RUclips? Played through my older PC's 2ch line out? Into a modified 20+ year old 4.1 Cambridge Audio mini speakers system?
Exactly
So which was better?
The vinyl sounds more lively and present, but a lot of that is coming from distortion and crosstalk. I don't think many digital recordings can match analog in perceived realness and feel, but the DA2i is winning at most technical aspects. At the loudest passages they seem fairly similar, and the difference is less than expecting when matching passage for passage. I'd be most interested to know which sounds closest to the master tape.
Interesting that such an expensive system is located in a very poorly acoustically treated room... I could just imagine if...
Vinyl was best in my listening through headphones. Digital did not have the presence that the vinyl did. I felt like I was at the concert hall listening to the vinyl rig and not just listening at home. This is a 2 million dollar system and they both sound phenomenal.
Frankly, I would feel embarrassed if I had spent 2 mil for a result like that. But to each their own, I guess.
Placing a vinyl deck between speakers is the definition of insanity. I personally only have amps between speakers and sitting just 5-6 inches off floor, all source gear is in sound isolated closet. If your home cannot accommodate a sound isolated closet, at the very least, move all vibration sensitive equipment as far away from speakers as possible
I'm sure it's an amazing system, but what i hear most is the room, it's one big echo chamber. Such as shame but all too common.
I prefer smaller rooms with more intimate sounds playing small groups, jazz trios , singer-songwriters . Love the David Berning amps with horns .
The roaring of the moving Tesla sounds like the end of Rooting for You by London Grammar
The vinyl clearly sounds more dimensional. I can imagine that in person that systems does an amazing job of reproducing the scale of a piece like that. However, even through ear buds that room sounds VERY lively and reverberant. I would not be able to tolerate that for very long.
Sounds good to me on RUclips on my tv speakers ! 😂
My questions are what format was the digital in? PCM? PDM? In DSD or DXD? If in standard PCM you really won’t hear much of a difference. If in PDM in DSD or DXD there will be a difference between analog vinyl and digital that will be audible.
What is the point of spending so much money on electronics if the room is not acoustically conditioned? At this level, the logical thing to do is to hire a professional, NOW!
The answer in in a previous video about this system; the owner deliberately wants it this way. It's his system...
Regardless of the owners sonic preference/bias, that’s a hellishly expensive system that truly is not playing at a level that it certainly could!
Trust me I say this not to create controversy. I know you prefer digital, but it is not even close. Vinyl is much better in every way. Same experience I have in my system!!!
The digital sounded two dimensional and thin compared to the vinyl using a large screen TV for monitoring. Heard it straight away funny enough.
So many base my room is shaking.
Room sounds too empty …hollow sound with reverbs hard to tell what’s best - analog or digital
Sometimes that's the mic'ing. It might not be as noticeable to them.
I agree with you.......this a system I could not listen to for more than 5 minutes
Correct. No room treatments.
Thanks for sharing this beautiful system once again .Its vinyl for me . Sounds more like you’re attending a live concert at a symphony hall.
That room is far, far, far too live and reverberant! Regardless of the owners previous comments about his preference for an untreated room.
Even when he speaks in the listening space his voice doesn’t sound natural.
Vinyl sounds so much better that's not even a fair comparison. 🤷♂
Vynil all the way! The most obvious is the sound of trumpet 🎺 or saxophone not sure! On digital lost it s extension highs and lost it s tone !
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Too much echo. Needs more room treatment
No echo in a concert hall yeah?
How can we possibly know how it really sounds in the room. All this serves is to affirm your tribe, so I'll say analogue sounds better, since I personally prefer my analogue gear. Go analogue tribe, we are better.