Adam Savage Installs a Collet Locker on His Lathe!
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Here's another instance where one build begets another build. While working on the rack gears for his miniature vault build, Adam found himself in need of a better system to hold those parts in his lathe using a standard 5C collet. So instead of using his tried and true chuck, he disassembles part of his lathe to install a collet locker and closer to get the repeatability he'll need for this project.
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The new-ish, choice amounts of extra editing have been restrained, tasteful and absolutely hilarious - much appreciated!
26:36 to 26:46 had me dyinggg! Best edit of the video LMFAO.
As a power plant mechanic, kroil is an absolute beast. We use that by the gallon. Yes, the smell is pungent, but you should smell it when it's cooked over with a rosebud. (Oxy-acetylene)
There's a reason it's referred to as "a thousand tiny little hammers".
Adam, I'm looking forward to your commentary on the upcoming Maker Fair. Safe Travels and have a great time.
Adam Savage is a treasure an extremely intelligent human whose brain is running at a thousand miles an hour, god love him.
Kroil - we all have different preferences. For me, I *LOVE* the smell of Kroil.
The Thumbnail alone is good enough for me. Can't wait to watch the actual video.🤓🙏
as a machinist, the only con of collet chucks is diameter stock limit. 5c collets only go to 1.0625 in.
For second operations on smaller bits i tend to use a er32 collet holder and a stop in it, and that is a on a cnc machine :) the er32 goes up to 20mm hole.
Thought for sure Adam was going attach this device to his next smaller lathe - seems more suited for 5c work holding ops.
Not a fan of handheld shakycam, but the new cold-open-to-brand card is good.
Tube with a hole in it?
So it's bit like a cylinder with walls around on it?
I bet a bungie cord pulling down on the handle would calm it down for the most part.
whats the robot fingers at 9:51? (the drill attachment with three fingers)
Cylinder hone. You can buy them cheap at Harbor Freight.
there are calculations for feeds and speeds for every bit out there or you can calculate them your self
cnc relies on these calculations
manual relies on the feel of the operator
but mainly cnc allows for manufactures to have an operator run a program that someone else wrote and produce parts and always get the same part over and over again and save money on the operator(unskilled) while having the programmer(skilled) doing the hard work
manual operators all have to be skilled and get paid for that skill
This sounds fascinating but please run a high pass and get rid of that buzz. Couldn't get 5 min in.
I don't think a high pass would do it, it's around 360Hz which is right in the middle of human speech frequencies. Could probably do a narrow band stop filter and not lose too much though.
Miss u on Mythbusters Adam
Покажи что ты умеешь делать на токарном и фрезерном станке
"Is it an 11 degree angle?"
_Glances at object_
"Yep, that's an 11 degree angle."
It reminded me of a guy I know who can glance at a tire on a car and tell you the exact dimensions of it.
Tom Lum has a video where he accidently learned the hex codes for color.
I stand corrected. It was the rgb values.
*Glances at the note he wrote on the object. "Yeah 11..."
@@kokoronotomoni SHHHHHH!!
It's amazing how someone like Adam can tell what degree the angle is by looking at it
it's a " Royal Products lever collet closer" and the thing you called a "bent shaft" is a "draw tube" ;) they are made to be used with a spindle taper adapter sleeve which allows the collet to be INSIDE the spindle nose, this reduces the stockout and minimizes the chance for runout from axial misalignment. using it with a scroll closer nose instead gives you the worst of both worlds, the poor alignment of a collet hanging way out there, with the setup time and complexity of a lever closer. the scroll closers were less used traditionally because of the high cost and (potentially) poor runout. the current availability of the cheap keyed closers combined with the easy setup makes them by far the most common choice for hobby machinists these days.
Dropping things on the floor is normal and should be expected. When you start to get old like me, it still happens (you never grow out of it) but when you go down there to pick it up, you have to consider what else you need to do while you are down there.
There have been times when I let the thing just sit on the floor. My theory is why bend down because you are going to drop other things? So I make 1 trip instead of 5.
35:13 Ah, A tale as old as time, "Local Machine-Shop Owner discovers why they got a 'good' deal".
the intro is so ADHD lmao, "i have a thing i gotta say but it needs the context and bonus thoughts before we move on"
Loved both it and the editing style that left in those extra beats that show the chaos.
Especially the realization that he is getting in too deep -- never have I felt more in tune with someone in a video
I laughed at the couple edits of him just wandering around; I feel that so hard lol. "Where was I going? What was I doing? Seemed important at the time." Then my brain-task-queue has something push the order around and I get messed up.
Machining a machine that machines other machines.
Machines making machines? How perverse!
@@mikkel4606 Only a lathe can make a lathe, unless you cheat, and use a drill press...
Machinist machine machine machine.
@@mikkel4606An odd sort of cannibalism. Sort of .
A lathe is the only self replicating machine if you know it well.
I'm a maker in an entire different realm- specifically fly tying- but I am devouring his content. I watch it all- whether I have those tools or not because he articulates the process and the philosophy so well. I'm in the middle of a giant shop reorg and I'm building my own niche hardware store in my workshop and implementing first order of retrievability for tools.
Clevis Turnbuckle. I remember that dude. My family used to cut the lawn and bring the clippings for his horses to eat.
His son Collet was a good for nothing though! Always latching onto folks and takin em for a spin rather than finding honest work...
Why is watching Adam do the most mundane things so interesting? lol if he posted a video eating a sandwich I’d probably watch it
I'm imagining him describing why he chose specific ingredients for that sandwich and then going on tangents with anecdotes about a guy he knew that introduced him to the specific brand of his favorite condiment. Then it somehow turns into a life lesson and a primer in refrigerator first-order retrievability 😅
@@Nbrobst And the video ends as he takes the first bite. 😢😂😊
Don't know what an "over center catchment" is? Look up This Old Tony. He just did a great video on what they are and how they work.
You had me at "lathe"...
the beginning of this video is so beautifully chaotic. it just feels real and that's something I appreciate a lot. at 3:28 i just burst out laughing. i think thats because it was just so refreshing to see that genuine mental scramble, and know im not the only one 😅. Thank you, Adam.
I’m always amazed at the knowledge you have in things. I don’t think there is one video that I haven’t enjoyed watching. 👍
Is a collett like what's in a dremel head?
Yes, in the nut and collet models. As in that separate nut and then the set of different size little inserts aka set of collets depending on the insert/tools shank diameter. Dremel uses push type collets. In this video being pull type collets. Difference being how the clamping force is applied. Push types, the collect head is pushed into the taper/holder. Typically done with a threaded nut going over the collet. In pull type the rear of the collect has the threads to be used to pull into the holder.
However some dremels have drill type universal chuck as the tool head, meaning essentially a mini 3 jaw chuck. Advantage being it can accommodate various sizes.
However collects advantage is more precise and consistent holding.
@@aritakalo8011 awesome thanks for the info
Some time after I noticed the similarity, I mounted a Dremel horizontally and used it as a tiny lathe to make my own security pins for locks.
I have been a mechanical engineer for 22 years, half my life. Learning my trade in a well known ship yard in England. I had to work manual and CNC. Personally I think CNC is more precise and with a wider range of production. However, manual lathes are much more satisfying to work on. They smell better too.
Cnc and Manual aren’t more precise than each other what matters most is the tolerance of the print.. programming a cnc machine and cutting on a manual lathe still require knowledge of metallurgy
Ive been wanting to learn precision tools like the lathe and milling machine. How would you get started with learning? Im sorry if this has been asked before.
7:30 every video of Adam's has something flying off into the Unknown 🚀
@35:14 YES!!! That is exactly what I've been yelling at for the last couple of minutes! Hahaha! This is what a go kart rear axle looks like when you bend one and try to drive on it. It's not fun.
Mostly great video, but i feel like I'm missing the meat of the modification and install of the locker. Like it went from 2 pieces of pipe to installed in the lathe in 1 cut, and i want to see everything in between! Otherwise good stuff
I love Adam's channel, but the ambient noise of his ventilation and him moving around makes my head hurt. But that's just the reality of filming alone.
If you collaborated with blondihacks I think my life would be complete. Please. Think about it.
You are no machinist. You are so rough with your tooling. Im surprised you get any precision at all. You dont even wipe your tooling down and you knock them around like a bucket of old bolts.
Journeyman diemaker here. Started my journey in this trade as a machinist in the Marine Corps Reserves, but truly began my journey in this trade at a job shop running production parts on a CNC lathe. One of the FOGs there said that CNC is “hours of boredom interrupted by moments of sheer terror”. I’ve run into those moments myself, and I’ve heard the cursing emanating from our CNC departments well.
I learned almost every basic concept I know from my Toolmaker Dad (I still have invoices from the Shop he worked for, for NASA Gemini & Apollo program parts with "(my Last Name) ONLY" Written across them... (and that was in the decades *BEFORE* CNC... Kinda like the fact that my first Casio DataBank watch had more computing power than all the Apollo computers.)
Very proud of my Dad.
What kind of wd40 can is that? It looks like an aerosol can with a pump sprayer on top? I've never seen one like that. Is that an adapter, or is it sold like that?
Bah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! If you only knew. Might want to contact a real machinist for real information instead of using your imagination.
Is anyone else got a strange humming in the background of this video?
Surprised to see rings on fingers while operating a lathe. A well known danger to lathe operators !
Adam, dig down into the weeds as far as you want. We are HERE for it lol
Ahhh Kroil, “the oil that creeps”. Has helped me loosen countless fittings at work and at home. Stinks to high heaven, but damn does it work.
We use Aerokroil daily at work. I love the smell. Its like imitation orange juice!
26:43 There's a glitch in the Matrix.
Oh my god! I was laughing so hard at that edit!
I appreciate having all the video in one piece. Having multiple parts can be somewhat dissatisfying. Always like to see reasonable conclusions!
Kroil (Kerosene & Oil) We use it all the time. Great stuff. We used to just make it back in the day and at two bucks an ounce now we might just make it for ourselves again, lol.
little disappointed the collets didn’t get their own small locker cabinet.
I love the smell of Kroil! Especially when it you hit it with fire.
AVP 👽
See 🙈 you already see 🙈 / I'm not sure if they tested b/ but vacuuming welds/pressure test those welds/ you think no air could get through ,/ and corners ...but I got that /
Now that's a good yak shaving video
Thanks Editor for my compfort late night mooovie experiance
Adam and I have the same habit, we always make fine adjustments with a BIG HAMMER!!!
I swear you became like my spirit animal (person) when you said "Am I getting too far in the weeds?" and then cut to a different scene. That is my daily life while working in IT and trying to explain a process to someone asking me how long a project will take...
Did you need to use the collet chuck with the closer? This is a bit unusual. These closers are normally used with a small Morse Taper to 5C taper adapter that you just push right into the spindle bore. The extra working room is probably not a big deal, but you do have fewer pieces potentially adding runout.
Take it to a driveshaft shop and ask them to balance it.
Yeah, these guys ate their own teeth balancing stuff, and California is home to plenty of project car builders, so it's likely that there is a reputable shop close by.
What is the name of the rust remover? I know it was mentioned a few times on other videos, but I can not currently recall which ones. I do remember it being 'reusable', but that's about it.
OMG! Adam finally identified the source of cheap Chinese metal from which all inferior metal products are made! It's called "Chinesium"! Maybe I have been sleeping under a log, but I had never heard that one.
Tube rattling aside, It seems to me you are overcomplicating the front end, and that may in part have complicated the backend of your collet closer setup.
I don’t understand why you are sacrificing your ring gear closing collet chuck to use as a closer head. If your spindle taper is big enough (mine is a MT6, it’s a big machine, not a tool room machine) just turn a MT->5C collet adapter to use with the locker, so you have BOTH a locker, and a ring gear collet chuck, as both have their uses. Worst case make a D1-6 5c adapter precisely setup for your locker. You have all the things you need to do this right? I am pretty sure I have seen you use a tool post grinder, so…. For ER-50, I just made my own chuck adapter that fits the D1-6 plate that I already have threaded (3”-8 ACME with a 82° taper for centering and aligning) for random odd ball things I want to screw into the headstock, and like odd collet adapters, and sometimes I will thread the work itself to mount it to that plate. That plate and the collet chuck adapters has turned into one of my most valued tools.
These are not terribly hard things to make, and it seems it’s about time for you to make a collet chuck in your turning skills progression, and may result in a more “elegant” solution.😊
Long live the manuals machines!
(I have both manual and CNC)
A stud should come from the machinery to the closer pass through the cover…not be mounted to it…35 years fixing what you’re making…js…carry on 😂😂😂😂
Not a machinist, buth curious to know. (To scratch my logic itch.)
Would it have been possible to machine an new '5C chuck' with the screw-interface 6 inches in? From my uneducated/looking outside in perspective there would be enough length to make the collet reach inwards.
That way you can increase the length capacity. Also because you can machine closer to the driver side, there would be less runout?
Ok, one more time, regarding CNC vs Manual. To be strong on both, and maybe some good welding instruction and practice, makes a guy that will always be in demand and will always have a job. 3, 4, and 5 axis machines, manual lathes and mills, TIG welding, and that's a guy that can work on race teams, gun manufacturers, aerospace, anywhere really. I don't get the open hostility between CNC guys and manual guys. They compliment each other.
Not that I mind the small infrastructure projects but I feel like there should be a proper one-day-build project soon. Haven't had one since... I don't know when.
Maybe the vault door? But almost turned into a more show and tell.
I'm grateful for the content, but I might need medication for motion sickness watching it. May I suggest a DIY steadycam project ?
A lathe is a tool I would love to have, not one even close to this size but a bench top unit would serve my wants well. I do like the slightly chaotic way in which this build went, because its how I build, with some starting and stopping and side tracking because I need to do something else first before I do what I am currently doing.
How do you not love the smell of kroil?? It’s one of the best smells in the hangar! Especially if you have to use ps870.
Adam mygd think simple, have you ever used a mill? They have a draw bar! And you can use air or hydraulics, if you have it, or the trusty nut and wrench.. all you need is a small receiver that the collet mounts in and a threaded hole at the other end. The Lock is on the other end. Fins😊😊😊 ~~ Cris h.
Adam's video editor or someone might want to look into RDI Technologies Motion Amplification Technology Steve Mould did a you tube video on it ruclips.net/video/rEoc0YoALt0/видео.html really good for showing motion in way that is comprehensible.
This is the caliber of YT content we'd see from Jet Black (if he ever could do youtube)
When we magically came upon the extended bar didn’t the locking part look completely different? Dude has different shirt and just bought a new one.
Didn’t he say it was a nice piece and ran real true before he didn’t realize he could un screw it?
I mean if anything it’s super entertaining.
What about when he tried to put the collet in the holder backwards and “honed” the bore. Aren’t you going to need a new one of those too?
That’s clearly a genesis device. Nice try, Khan Noonien Savage, I’m on to you,
I use these all the time at my $18/hr in California machining job on the manual lathe
The difference between manual machining and CNC machining is a better operator that knows manual machining is a much better CNC machinist if you know the speeds and feeds manually inputting them in the program is easier. Master Cam has material information along with tooling information that helps with creating the program
Adam an impressive gatherer or watchmaking equipment and other interesting tooling has passed away and they are auctioning off lots of stuff. As I know you have recently been beefing up your small lathe gear it may be worth looking at to see if there is anything interesting for you. Another channel i follow just posed a video about it here: ruclips.net/video/CcPDZB11A9w/видео.html
Can the bouncing handle be rigged to be removable? Also, perhaps it is the bouncing of the handle which is flexing the pipe causing the variation in tolerance? Can you remove the handle and double check the tolerance again?
I was looking at buying one of these for my takisawa tsl800 but it's was the same deal as yours, it would need the tube modified. It wasn't even a good deal like you got so after asking them a few questions about it I knew it just wouldn't be worth the hassle.
17:49 Cue theme from "Green Acres".
Thank you! Came to the comments because I recognized that tune but couldn't name it! Started driving my (ADHD?, OCD?, whatever?) crazy and I still have not finished the video.
DAMNIT, hoping I was the first, and only, one...
Another editor special. Sometimes y'all just put that extra touch on the editing of a video and its obvious someone was having a lot of fun doing so.
Couldn't disagree more. I love the smell of Aerokroil, and the smell of burning Aerokroil even more.
gonna have to disagree with you. kroil smells great, like problems actually getting solved
I have this same cheiftian 15 inch lathe. Mine is 60inch long. Seems to be very solid.
Hope you got a heat treatable oil hardened tube, like O-1, because those internal threads must be fully hard.
Machining metal is a art and a skill, both of those work differently in manual vs cnc, and yet they are the same...
yikes. you are basically hammering on the bearings in your spindle when you hammer on the collet closer.
After watching this video, I still don’t understand how the locker helps with setting parts a repeatable distance into the collet… it looks like it just makes it faster and easier to secure it…doesn’t he still need an end stop inside the collet…??
I made mine a thread to lock instead of lever. Because it now fits many lathes, and not stuck on one machine forever.
just in time for lunch
Can the lock not rattle loose ? , That would be dangerous.
No, they won't rattle loose if properly tight. It is an adjustable over center mechanism so it will normally require a lot more force than normal vibration to unlock. You could leave the mechanism too loose to properly lock and your work may slip but that is user error
Definitely not supposed to heat Kroil. Very bad to breath
What the hell are you talking about brother - who’s Chuck?
Need to turn up the heat in the shop Adam. Very distracting lmao
“chinesium”? you’re better than that Adam
The red hat scared me until you turn towards the camera.
I will never own a lathe and i'll never be a maker but i'm here for it lol.
I really want to clean the dust off the disco ball. Lol
It's looks like it might be slop in your adjustable clevis assemblyholding the fulcrum out of center
yeah that's what i think too after watching this.
Can someone please explain to me what is that and what does that do at 9:50?
Kroil is by far the best penetrant hands down in my opinion