The programming gets set in motion and deepens over time. Once aware of the ways it is interfering with life (what you eat, where you shop, etc.) how long, on average, does it take to "re-program?" Do successive trips to the same store to buy the same yogurt dilute or eliminate the trauma response over time, or is it always a matter of mindfulness (literally telling yourself each time you enter the store that you can buy this yogurt without getting punched in the face!).
Mindfulness will help and over time the repeated exposure should lessen the impact. Having tools in place to address the "fight, flight, freeze" response in the moment is key-- this is why the mindfulness can be helpful. The body produces sensations and the brain interprets them. If them brain interprets them as threat then there is a resultant cascade of hormones to keep the system running. If the brain perceives them at non-threat then it doesn't have the same hormone response.
Thank you so much for this video! programming like this can be especially hazardous because if someone becomes so yogurt avoidant that they end up fearing all forms of dairy, they could end up confused and in pain when dealing with osteoarthritis later in life from to little calcium in their diet.
When a PC goes wrong....often the software is corrupted and we may have an option of selecting a restore point. Without that it could be extremely complex to fix. Us humans to have navigate the complexity when our own software becomes undesirable....it's very hard!
@@412JFury there are SO many-- try curable health app, just had a patient recommend lin.health which looks like it might have some good resources. Working with a PT who specializes in using neuroscience to treat pain would be good. There are a lot of books as well. Too many to write here.
@@PainSciencePhysicalTherapy yeah I tried curable with no success. I went down the way of thinking of things being somatic rather than structural and now I have arms that don't work anymore. I had a surgery that failed and made things worse as well.
@@412JFury Sounds like you probably would benefit from working 1:1 with a PT who specializes in treating persistent pain so the treatment can be more targeted. Have you tried choosept.com? You can go on that site and look up PTs by specialization and location. It is just for the US so if you are out of the country then you would need a different resource.
I'm becoming an agoraphobe which each passing day. Going anywhere, which of course requires driving, means dealing with traffic, bad drivers, people not paying attention, congestion, stop lights, and the possibility of getting hurt (if someone slams into my car). It is becoming HIGHLY stressful for me to go out into the busy, congested, crowded, and FAST paced world where i am hypervigilant to the dangers (and the idiots) not paying attention and has gotten worse since most people text while driving. Its becoming unbearable. I'm only 44.
I am sooo sorry to hear how much you are struggling. I am assuming that you had a trauma in a car and this is why you have become so hypervigilant in a car. First thing I would say is that you are not alone and I appreciate you have shared your difficulties. Second-- if you haven't done this yet I would recommend looking into working with a therapist who specializes in working with patients who have been through trauma-- some will even specialize in car accidents! Helping get your trauma response under control will help a lot. Then working with a provider who specializes in graded exposure to activity will be helpful. There are PTs who work via telehealth (like the ones in my clinic) who you could work with so that you don't have to go out to the clinic until you are ready. Hope this is helpful. Let me know.
Hi. The purpose of the video was to educate but not discuss treatment. However, the research supports education as a part of treatment for patients with persistent pain. Treating pain is complicated. There is no "one-size fits all" approach. So it is hard to create a video that talks about treatment. In my attempt to fill that gap I have lots of other videos on treatment.
It’s complicated is your advice and sadly this is what they are teaching in school now. Is it true that chronic pain screws with the brain, yes. Does it help a client get out of that chronic pain pattern no. I was told last week by a PT that studies show if he cares about my pain and talks to me then it will go down by 40%. What use is he? I can talk to my mother, there is no skill involved and this takes away the chase for skill.
The programming gets set in motion and deepens over time. Once aware of the ways it is interfering with life (what you eat, where you shop, etc.) how long, on average, does it take to "re-program?" Do successive trips to the same store to buy the same yogurt dilute or eliminate the trauma response over time, or is it always a matter of mindfulness (literally telling yourself each time you enter the store that you can buy this yogurt without getting punched in the face!).
Super good question- in terms of time it is patient (and programming) specific. That being said with repeated exposure and changing the mindset it will "break" the programming so that you can put in new programming and change the way the nervous system responds. For example-- when you go to buy yogurt you sing a song or think of a happy memory and then work on helping the brain get flooded with happy hormones. Doing this over and over can change the response. Just one example.
The programming gets set in motion and deepens over time. Once aware of the ways it is interfering with life (what you eat, where you shop, etc.) how long, on average, does it take to "re-program?" Do successive trips to the same store to buy the same yogurt dilute or eliminate the trauma response over time, or is it always a matter of mindfulness (literally telling yourself each time you enter the store that you can buy this yogurt without getting punched in the face!).
Mindfulness will help and over time the repeated exposure should lessen the impact. Having tools in place to address the "fight, flight, freeze" response in the moment is key-- this is why the mindfulness can be helpful. The body produces sensations and the brain interprets them. If them brain interprets them as threat then there is a resultant cascade of hormones to keep the system running. If the brain perceives them at non-threat then it doesn't have the same hormone response.
Thank you so much for this video! programming like this can be especially hazardous because if someone becomes so yogurt avoidant that they end up fearing all forms of dairy, they could end up confused and in pain when dealing with osteoarthritis later in life from to little calcium in their diet.
Lol-- appreciate the humor. Thanks!
When a PC goes wrong....often the software is corrupted and we may have an option of selecting a restore point.
Without that it could be extremely complex to fix.
Us humans to have navigate the complexity when our own software becomes undesirable....it's very hard!
Yes it is very hard. But the good news is that it is possible to do!
@@PainSciencePhysicalTherapyany resources you can point to?
@@412JFury there are SO many-- try curable health app, just had a patient recommend lin.health which looks like it might have some good resources. Working with a PT who specializes in using neuroscience to treat pain would be good. There are a lot of books as well. Too many to write here.
@@PainSciencePhysicalTherapy yeah I tried curable with no success. I went down the way of thinking of things being somatic rather than structural and now I have arms that don't work anymore. I had a surgery that failed and made things worse as well.
@@412JFury Sounds like you probably would benefit from working 1:1 with a PT who specializes in treating persistent pain so the treatment can be more targeted. Have you tried choosept.com? You can go on that site and look up PTs by specialization and location. It is just for the US so if you are out of the country then you would need a different resource.
I'm becoming an agoraphobe which each passing day. Going anywhere, which of course requires driving, means dealing with traffic, bad drivers, people not paying attention, congestion, stop lights, and the possibility of getting hurt (if someone slams into my car). It is becoming HIGHLY stressful for me to go out into the busy, congested, crowded, and FAST paced world where i am hypervigilant to the dangers (and the idiots) not paying attention and has gotten worse since most people text while driving. Its becoming unbearable. I'm only 44.
I am sooo sorry to hear how much you are struggling. I am assuming that you had a trauma in a car and this is why you have become so hypervigilant in a car. First thing I would say is that you are not alone and I appreciate you have shared your difficulties. Second-- if you haven't done this yet I would recommend looking into working with a therapist who specializes in working with patients who have been through trauma-- some will even specialize in car accidents! Helping get your trauma response under control will help a lot. Then working with a provider who specializes in graded exposure to activity will be helpful. There are PTs who work via telehealth (like the ones in my clinic) who you could work with so that you don't have to go out to the clinic until you are ready. Hope this is helpful. Let me know.
Fear if the symptoms put the primitive brain and n fight or flight
Yep this is true.
So what do you suggest for Chronic Pain. You never gave any advice for all the people in chronic pain! Shame on you!
Hi. The purpose of the video was to educate but not discuss treatment. However, the research supports education as a part of treatment for patients with persistent pain. Treating pain is complicated. There is no "one-size fits all" approach. So it is hard to create a video that talks about treatment. In my attempt to fill that gap I have lots of other videos on treatment.
It’s complicated is your advice and sadly this is what they are teaching in school now. Is it true that chronic pain screws with the brain, yes. Does it help a client get out of that chronic pain pattern no. I was told last week by a PT that studies show if he cares about my pain and talks to me then it will go down by 40%. What use is he? I can talk to my mother, there is no skill involved and this takes away the chase for skill.
That's clearly ridiculous advice for a PT to give. I'd love to see his 'research'.
The programming gets set in motion and deepens over time. Once aware of the ways it is interfering with life (what you eat, where you shop, etc.) how long, on average, does it take to "re-program?" Do successive trips to the same store to buy the same yogurt dilute or eliminate the trauma response over time, or is it always a matter of mindfulness (literally telling yourself each time you enter the store that you can buy this yogurt without getting punched in the face!).
Super good question- in terms of time it is patient (and programming) specific. That being said with repeated exposure and changing the mindset it will "break" the programming so that you can put in new programming and change the way the nervous system responds. For example-- when you go to buy yogurt you sing a song or think of a happy memory and then work on helping the brain get flooded with happy hormones. Doing this over and over can change the response. Just one example.