Hayes: unless Leafs are low-balling Marner, he needs to find a way to work a deal out
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- The guys from OverDrive chat about the Leafs' ongoing standstill with Mitch Marner, and whether the signings on Day 1 of free agency have an impact on Marner’s contract negotiations.
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When your dad is trying to get paid through you.. its a bad sign
Masqerader He knows what his sons worth, and he doesn't want the leafs to take advantage of him like they do to majority of other players.
@@hockeyislife4122 What players exactly? Nylander? Matthews? Tavares? Mitch Marner is NOT worth what he is asking for, at least publicly. He wants to be paid as much as Matthews...I want world peace. Matthews is a center AND a goal scorer...Marner is a winger and a playmaker. Centers get paid more than wingers and goal scorers get paid more than playmakers. If his daddy wanted him to get paid more money, he should have taught little Mitch how to play center.
@@brianeleighton Marner is better than Matthews. Everytime I see the Leafs he stands out as the better and more effective all around player.
Hockey is life name 1 player the leafs take advantage of
@@DontBeClueless514 are you high? Dont get me wrong, Mitch is dynamic and should be paid, but Mathews is something else. He went 1st overall for a reason. Mitch is 9.5 tops for 5 years.
For some reason when mcdavid got 11.5 mil or whatever it was, everyone else thought they were close to him. No one is close to him.
Marner needs to be told he is not McDavid
Miguel Simon everybody in the league needs to be told they’re not McDavid.
Matthews is worth the most.
McDavid contract should be a ceiling, not a benchmark. No player can expect to make as much or more than him
Here here
I’d give him an offer and don’t budge on it. If he doesn’t like it then he can sit out the whole season. He’s gotta get over himself. He’s played three seasons. Yea he’s a very good player but he’s gotta come back down to earth
@@Irvine860 he led the team because tavares is on his line. Plain and simple. Matthews is the best player on the team no doubt. If marner wants matthews money take the 4 1st round picks.
@@Irvine860 Matthews and Tavares don't require other players to hit their numbers. Tavares hit 86 on a shit team in NY. Marner is useless without someone who scores. He's a great player and maybe the best playmaker in the biz but he's not a Centre and he's not a goal scorer.
Agreed.
Ya marner is not useless in any regards. Let's not go overboard
@@bmoney544 That's not what I said. I said he's useless without a goal scorer. That means he's not even worth 7 million without a franchise centre. Marner is an Amazing asset and one worth paying for but not without a JT or Matthews. That's an important distinction.
Aho's best linemate had 26 goals less than Marner's best. Aho's team had 40 goals less than Marner's team. Aho still able to put up 30 goals and 83 points and get to ECF. Will accept slightly under 9 mil. Please tell me why Marner is worth a whole 2+ million more?
Andrew Persaud 83 assists?
@@spungoflex3285 my bad i meant points
Marner put up 7 more points, only 2 less goals, than Panarin who just signed for 11+
@@B4n5h33Chess Panarin is a UFA in a bidding war. Aho is a direct comparable to Marner.
Cam Inch Panarin is a 30 goal scorer. Marner is a 20 goal scorer. Panarin was also an unrestricted free agent.
Centres are always valued above wingers. You have to be exceptional and put up numbers in the playoffs to get that kind of money. And as good as Mitch is, to lock him up at 11 million is nuts. No GM with a brain would lock up 35 mil on three forwards.
Spot on
Stone a winger just got 9.5 and marner is both younger and better than stone... so 11 aint out of the ballpark. Kuch only making less cause hes in florida which is income tax paradise and toronto is income tax hell.
One Buffalo stone is much better than marner is right now. Stone is possibly the best foreword on the defensive side in the whole NHL, the guy has lead the league in takeaways in 4 of the past 5 seasons and one of those seasons he literally had double the take-always as the second placed person.
Stone is a point per game player who was playing on the worst team in the NHL.
Marner has 1 season above 70 points and you want to throw 11 mill at him. You are crazy.
@@jettlaxholly Lol so you'd do a sraight up trade marner for stone? No, you couldnt. so stfu
One Buffalo if marner is at 11.5, yes!
This is what happens when you need to fill 24 hours a day with sports news
If the Leafs offered 10x8 then Marner better run to sign quickly before they pull it after the Aho deal.
Why are Matthews and marner getting paid so much.. why are they getting close to mcdavid and Crosby numbers when both mcdavid and Crosby had multiple 100 point seasons in there first 3 years... They are not generational talent
Emperor's New Clothes.
Exactly, these kids want big contract without anything to show for it, and basing their demands on potential. Crosby, Kane have won Stanley cups and have a track record of success in the playoffs. Matthews is not worth 11.5 Million. If Marner is demanding 11 or 12 million and isn't budging, let him walk.
Arguably, Mcdavid is underpaid. He took that contract with his team in mind. He may have been able to get $15M and chose not to. He's the lowest paid, established, super elite player in any of the big four pro sports, probably. What that does is skew the rates that the guys in the middle to elite ranks are fetching. Crosby's contract is old. In five to eight years today's big time contracts will be looking a lot lighter.
@@threethrushes I agree with you but unfortunately, this is the new NHL. All these players are good players but they have not won a thing in the NHL. Why should you pay someone more money than someone like Crosby or Kane when they had a) proven yourselves and b) accomplished more things than you have
@@carthymacdangerous how many Stanley Cup or international men's tournament has McDavid won? He could not even win the Memorial Cup with a stacked team
So moral of the story:
- Toronto media smokes their own exhaust
- Marc Bergevin saved the NHL
Why did he save the nhl?
@@raiykid2030 By signing Aho to a smaller than expected contract (offer sheet) therefore it's kind of crazy for others to expect much more money... ie marner signing for over 10.5 mil
@@jacobkerr7834 Yup, Aho is the better player too.
Funny Stuff wouldnt say that at all, but would argue that due to his position (Center) he could be around the same value (dollar wise) as marner.
Jacob Kerr you don’t have to say it but it’s true, Aho drives play better by himself than Marner ever has, give Aho JT and see what happens
Good on Dubas for not overreacting when Lou rattled they're cage.
Is Marner watching this?
Fire your agent Marner!
Nine million should be the top number. He doesn't like it , he sits or trade him. Can't let one player handcuff you all summer.
Okay then you'll lose him. Likely with a shit return. Good luck with that.
Toronto did this to themselves when they just started handing out huge contracts to everybody.
What huge contracts? Matthews is certainly worth 11.6, especially in today's market.. Tavares 11 is good too. Next big contract is Willy and that contract is probably going to age better than most NHL contracts as 7 mill wont be considered big at all in a year or two.
Jesus, who died? These guys always look so grim
They were probably sitting in those chairs for 7 or 8 hours by that point......long day...
@@Infoseek777 Isn't overdrive a 3 hour show?
let him walk take the 4 first rd picks....sign a top 6 forward n be good for years... if he doesnt wanna play n make huge money...then see ya bud.
Marner is not gonna get an offer sheet😂 i cant see anyone giving up four 1st round picks. They can just wait until after the season to sign him as an UFA
Them mitch wont be the kitchen marner of before and will get overpaid and lose almost all his potential we saw that with nylander last year
Toronto media is just getting paid here, by creating content. Marner will be in blue and white next year.
@@thomasdidymus1393 Doesn't work that way he wo't be UFA next season. HE will lose 2 years I believe to enter UFA losing more money in the end and value.
@@thomasdidymus1393 try 4 years to UFA.
The only player who undoubtedly deserves 11+ million, from a value standpoint, currently is Connor McDavid. Coming from a Matthews and Leafs fan. Marner and his camp need to humble himself.
Look at wingers like Kucherov, or Pastrnak and then look at Marner. There is no way he should be asking more than 10 mil a season.
Marner was 11th in total points. Matthews was 42nd. case closed.
@@keithholm7493 Matthews played 14 games less and still score 11 goals more than Marner you dumb shit.
Funny because do they forget how much money they can make in sponsorships in Toronto?
they don't make as much as u think..forbes magazine had an excellent article about nhl player endorsements..the only plays that stand out are sid and ov..the rest get chump change.
@@rv2167 but he could get that extra 1-2 million somewhere else and on top of that have lower taxes as well. So he it's more money somewhere else if someone does a serious offer sheet.
Yeah, it was a real problem for Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Sidney Crosby, etc. Do you forget how much money he could save by moving to a low-tax/tax-free state?
@@saywhat6704 not denying that but Toronto's market is different than any other team. Marner did insurance commercials, Beats by Dre, Redbull and iPhone. I think could do a whole lot more after signing a long term deal
@@rv2167 ..no it's not..sid gets 5 mil..ov is next at 4.5 and then its kane at 1 mil..i'm telling u..hockey players don't make the money u think.
Aho, a centre, just signed an aav of 8.5....... does this RFA class only include Matthews. No. You have to look at the comparables. I'm hoping some offer sheets 10.6 or more and we take 4 firsts
As long as it isnt my team giving up 4 picks, then I'll be happy to see that happen
They did try to lowball Marner last summer. Now Mitch and his agent are hardlining.
We have an insider here lol
Trade Marner already. seems to me he doesn't want to be in Toronto or he would have signed
Should have let Nylander go and just pay Marner. That's the guy you want.
No, I would rather have Nylander at 6.9 than Marner at 11, both at 6.
All this marner shit is everywhere, as a bruin fan it does seem crazy to pay a winger 11+ a year when he hasnt scored 30 goals but has hit 90 points on his final year of his entry level contract. It's the Toronto market that's causing all this shit. Nobody's gonna hand out 4, 1st rounders on an offer sheet. Hes a winger ..... sign the contract already.
What no one understands is that the agents are usually the cause of the tight negotiations because they need to get their client way more money so they get a bigger pay check
do you really think no one understands that?
Thanks Captain Obvious!!
Gordon Graham no one talks about it like marner might not even care about the extra million but the agent does
Wild fan from MN, believe Dubas is a stud and will sign Marner. Wish we had this problem.
Exactly, I have been saying this about Marner for weeks now. He is a 7.5 - 8.5 million player. I will concede that my figure is on the low end but 9.5 -10 is the max you could ever pay Mitch. At the end of the day if you pay him 10 million a year he is eating up 12.3% of your cap and the question is what type of team can you build around him at that point. He is not the player that Tavaras or Matthews is to the team. He is a great player playing with a great goal scorer. Matthews is getting the goal and points with who on his line? Shall be an interesting few weeks in Toronto with this deal.
Nylander: Overpaid.
Matthews: Overpaid
Marner: Overpaid
Everyone else : Get outta town.
D Payne it’s funny that nylander might end up being the biggest steal lol look at how he played in the world championships. It’s a big “might” though
@@tml1377 Kyle loves the young guys. I think Willie will bounce back but I have a problem moving Kadri because you know what you are getting with him. But Willie is streaky. Willie made 10 Million last year with the signing bonus and got a huge lump again yesterday. I mean 7 goals last year. I wouldn't call it a steal if he bounces back. He owes it to management to bounce back.
Calvin Nielsen Nylander is a talented player without a doubt, he’s just not dependable AT ALL. You never know when the kid is gonna show up. He either has a horrible night or a terrific one, there’s never an in between with him. Because if that he should not be making what he is.
D Payne even if he becomes a point per game player, which he might because I think he will play with Matthews, then 6.9 isn’t too bad. Like I said , it’s a big if, who knows what’ll happen. I didn’t want to see kadri either, loved him
@@dpayne6567 Yeah, getting a guy who can't play in the playoffs because he can't control his temper. Two close fought 7 game series with the Bruins that the Leafs had to make do without a key player ... fuck Naz and his selfishness, he may very well have cost the Leafs a trip to the finals this year
Well all this certainly puts to bed the “oh he’s a homegrown talent he’ll take a hometown discount” rhetoric coming from some corners of Leaf fandom.
put it to bed when the contract is signed
No it doesnt
Gordon Graham
Marner’s most comparable free agent in this off-season is Panarin. To me, they are on the same level in terms of skill, ability and influence on the ice. So there’s no reason why Marner should not get 11.5 million dollars with the way the market is inflated today. The issue is not that the Leafs don’t want to pay him what he’s worth, it’s that they don’t have enough cap space to give it to him. This is a mistake from the Leafs to not pursue him more aggressively the year before and on Mitch’s father for all his negative comments towards the organization.
Hard to understand how an offer of 11Mx8 is considered a hometown discount?
AJ 4to
No, that’s what Paul Marner wants, but the Leafs are trying to get Mitch to take maybe a 6-7 million dollar deal to play in Toronto.
These guys, Auston, Nylander and Marner, feel they are above the team. We, Leafs fans, haven't had these types of players for the past few years so when they are here we pump them up too much and their egos got in the way. I lost interest when Nylander held out and then Auston with his contract and now Marner. When you look at other players on other teams signing for reasonable contracts then you have these guys. I hope Marner gets OS and we get four 1st. Tired of these spoiled brats.
What do you mean by auston with his contract ? He never held the team hostage , they were willing to pay him that money because hes a high performer and hes also our first overall pick ffs
Don’t worry because Matthews will only be a Leaf for another 4 or 5 years. Leafs will trade him with a year left so they don’t lose him for nothing.
When you give mathews 11+ and hes not worth that .... hes not a mcdavid ... thats what you get
I agree. When you're signing guys like Duchene, Tarasenko, Meier, Pastrnak and Pavelski on 5 to 9 million deals you gotta take a long look in the mirror and really ask if Marner is worth 11+.
Good luck replacing a 22-year-old player who scores 90 plus points a season. Crazy that Leafs fans such as you would want to drive this kid out of town.
Players should never take a discount, These teams dont care about you
Thank you, someone gets it.
Exactly, teams make millions off of the backs of these players. Players need their share of the proverbial pie.
The fans do, not that it matters though.
No they care about winning championships which leafs nation sorely needs
@@baibureh8816 The pie is 82M whether Marner signs for 2 dollars or 15M. The team doesn't make any less money if Marner signs for 15M, just the other players do.
If Marner is going to hardball the leafs should to. If Marner shops for an offer sheet to bust the leafs then the leafs should turn the screws on Marner if no offer sheet happens. I say 9 million over 8 years... if no offer sheet comes up... 7 million for 8 years or he misses the year.
He's not gonna get anything less than 10 mil
Hes worth 9 mill a year
@@mitkoatanassov6350 He has too now. Look at the other signings, if the Leafs give him 10 mill/yr now....Dubas should resign ASAP he would be a laughing stock.
@@chrismagda4562 be prepared to be greeted w a 10 mil deal.
And then come back to him next year and say "So Mitch, we've got $6.5mil of cap space. Do you want it or would you prefer to sit for another season?"
Marner is the man. He's getting better numbers with a lower shooting %. Matthews still have all the hype but you can't deny the concern about being injury prone. He should get the same as Matthews no doubt about it. The problem is how the leaf dealt those contracts knowingly they would arrive at this issue.
Aho was given 8.5 million because any single dollar higher and MTL would have been forced to give another 1st round pick. Aho is probably worth more than 8.5 in today's game. But certainly under 10.
Of course Marner is asking way too much I understand that it's a long journey to make the NHL but enough is enough
He's a good player and he hasn't hit his ceiling yet, plays in all situations, has been the points leader for two yrs, also was the points leader for a playoff series. Can't blame him for looking to be paid what he's worth and that's Mathew's money! Just get it done and start preparing for next season. If you don't pay him that type of money guess he'll be moving either in trade, the offersheet doesn't make sense at 11mil just too many first rndrs
Offer Marner 9.5 Million Max. If his camp isn't willing to budge, let him walk. What the Leafs need is defense and gritty players. That's what it takes to win in the playoffs.
I wholeheartedly agree with you 100%. I also have a very unpopular opinion on Andersen. IMO he isn't going to take them all the way. I am 100% sure on that as well and they should find a way to send him to LA for Quick. That or find the next rookie goalie like Murray/Winnington to fill the roll. Sorry if you're a Andersen fan, any goalie except him or Fleury.
Why is Mathews being paid 11.6 😩
Fred Pickels Matthews deserves 8 or 8.5 max was definitely overpaid
This whole mess started with Willie crazy deal then overpaying for Matthews. So now everyone wants Marner go take a discount to sign. He deserves as much or more than Matthews. He had more points than Matthews.
Kyle Dubas looks like Harry Potter all grown up
A man with one hand naw. He’s just a dumbass that’s all
I think Marner will sign 10 million for 8 years a day before training camp
And lastly, hockey players are vastly underpaid compared to NBA players. Our best player in McDavid can't earn more money in his entire career than a an NBA player gets paid in just 4 years. Look at all the contracts just signed in the NBA at 4 year terms...$140 million, $160 million..... and people say hockey players are greedy? If I was Marner, I'd be fighting tooth and nail to get $10.5 instead of $9.5. How dare anyone calls Mitch greedy for holding out on a measly $1 million? When you get paid only this much in the NHL and you see what other athletes get paid more in 1 year salary than most NHLers get paid over an entire career, HELL YA...fight for every dollar. Hockey players deserve it! Oh and my favorite line in the NBA when someone just signed $160 million dollars and they say "he left money on the table" or "he's getting underpaid" or "he's gotta feed his kids" LOL. Greedy bastards.
They have way way more television revenue, and only 12 men on the roster. A much bigger pie, also cut into fewer pieces.
@@kingdavid7571 Yep, NBA is more popular than the NHL and they make huge revenue on corporate deals, ads, marketing companies, anything...more exposure, more attention,....but the NBA is a sad excuse of a true sport...it's just an entertainment business now as superstars are flip flopping from team to team getting whatever they want and playing with whoever they want and make over $100 million easy.....nobody cares about the glory and legacy of the sport anymore and your name.....gone are the days of MJ, Kobe, Bird, all the other greats who pretty much played with one team for the majority or all of their careers.
This Young core hasnt won a playoff round lol
What does that have to do with Mitch's contract situation??
@@hucz Matthew s nylander marner expect to be paid like stars that have actually won but they havent.
@@hucz
It means, that if you overpay him like you did Matthews, you won't be winning anything.
@@kevzvipe You mean like McSavior who can't even get into the playoffs?
you could argue the Habs did the League a favour by signing Aho to that offer sheet. The trickle down effect will save teams that has to sign one of these RFAs close to $1M each.
Normally, GMs that do this are vilified and shunned... perhaps not this time as the AAV was a lot less than the crazy and unreasonable numbers most expected from Carolina, let alone an offer sheet.
Hahahaha. It's the Leafs fault for massively overpaying Matthews. If they paid Matthews appropiately at 10m, they wouldn't be even having this discussion every day. Matthews is making 900k less than Mcdavid and he's not even close to the same player. This all Leafs terrible negotiating. Like it or not Matthews is more comparable to Marner than Mcdavid, and they screwed up big time.
Hey idiot Matthews is top three player, look at goals he’s scored in amount of games 112 goals in just over 200 games, when he’s healthy he’s better player than 95% of league & is closer to msdavid than you think , also McDavid took a huge pay cut that your obviously forgetting.
jbmstang1
The only centres better than Matthews right now are McDavid and McKinnon. McDavid under today’s market should probably be getting 18-20 million and McKinnon, 15 million.
Schiefle, seguin, bergeron, point, stamkos and maybe even Elias pettersson right now are all better centermen than Matthews.
@@jbmstang1 Hahahaha. The Toronto fan boy is strong in you. Matthews is maybe top 5 center, but thats debatable. Crosby, Mcdavid, Mackinnon are the top 3 centers bud. Matthews isnt even close to them yet, hell Draisaitl is better than him right now. Maybe when he actually gets 100 points in a season, and can actually play defence for once.
@@jbmstang1 Tougher-McDavid, even strength goals,Mcdavid, proven himself,Mcdavid, Won"t shy away from the corners,Mcdavid, so who"s better????
Marner wants 5 years basically ever player on the first contract wants 5 years
Matthew's numbers per game and his goals in general overall, his numbers 5v5, lower ice time, 8 different wingers, 34 less games, 2 way player, doesn't take penalties and so much more, is miles above Marner. The analytics are not even close. 6'4" 230 pound Center, Matthew's will be next year. Compared to a small winger, who had 25 more points, only because he played with Tavaras and Hyman ALL year and Tavaras only had 4 more points in his best years totals. Only 6 back of Marner. Who needed who more? Without Tavaras, Marner doesn't reach 80 points.
When you throw money at a bust called Nylander, Marner is entitled to what he feels he deserves, given he's a far superior player.
A bad 40 games = a bust
Lol ok
Bruins love him though and they always thank him for his two assists in the series. I sure hope you haven't forgotten them. :)))
@St. Chase lol say hi, Paul
What Coliacovo said made a lot of sense, it's just 1M difference, is it really a big deal. But I don't think it applies here. I doubt Marner is struggling to sign because of money. It's the term, that is very likely the issue. He definitely doesn't want more than six, ideally five.
I'd take aho over marner. goal scorer and center man
Hell no. You're smoking dust kid.
For sure! He's a center and Aho scores more goals, it's a no-brainer. Marner is stupidly over-rated.
Adam202 Aho had 4 more goals than Marner. Nothing to substantial. But yeah he is more valuable than Marner.
Absolutely. Aho's pulling similar numbers, on a worse team, as a center, FOR LESS.
How many years has Matthews been in the league.
It was the Sabres Eichel contract that threw everything out of whack.
@Hockey2323 that is a ridiculous statement! McDavid had a playoff run, won multiple league awards and was recognized as the face of the league/ best in the game. And took less than couldve got. Eichel had done nothing to warrant 10 per. It was a stupid ridiculous signing then and has now given others cause to ask for more than what is reasonable.
Darisaitl 8.5 mil 106 points 50 goals. Aho 8.5mil 83 points 30 goals
Draisaitl signed some years ago and he has McJesus on his side.
Draisaitl can not carry a line of his own, he puts up points with Connie. Draisaitl is vastly overpayed!
@@deonal
Then everyone paid more than 5m if they play with a good player is overpaid.
Mitch "I play the penalty kill" Marner pay me
cool.... lots of people play the penalty kill.... marner sign for 10 mil 8 years already, be a lifetime leaf already!!!
Too bad he didn't do a good job at helping kill those penalties last playoff series.
Mitch "I had 224 points by age 21" Marner. Fixed it.
When you pay a 8mill center 11+ you get this kind of situation
Marner plays pp and pk because there’s less hitting on the ice during these shifts. Marner is a shinney hockey specialist. He avoids the traffic. Watch how much he dumps off the puck when a hit is looming! Trade him!!!!
To be fair, I think Marner is hoping for another team to sign him to a higher $$, via offer sheet, and no one is doing it. The other thing to consider is that maybe he doesn't think the Tavares signing was beneficial to the team, defensively, and that the team will never have a window to win because they have badly mismanaged contracts, under Dubas. Kerfoot and Ceci still need deals which means that Marner's contract falls around a really low number, if you sign them to 1yr/$1M deals. And if you do that...all of your d-corps comes up for RFA/UFA, except for Morgan Reilly. And the salary cap is probably not going to up enough to sign all of them. Stats-wise....Marner had 94 pts in his 3rd year after 61-69 in his previous seasons. Marner is the best player for Toronto and Matthew's contract was a massive detriment to Dubas.
Leafs shot themselves in the foot with the Nylander contract. Now these kids are seeing $$$$.
Nylander contract is gonna be super cheap and a great contract. Mark it down.
Ur a dumbass Nylander has had back to back 61 point seasons before this and he's still young. He will be a great player in time
Ask William Nylander.
He should get 6X10.5 it’s would meet in the middle
Also was this made before the Tor/Col trade cuz the “you cant go into this season with that garbage blue line” is wrong it’s pretty strong now with Barrie
Leafs made this problem for themselves by bending to Nylander, then giving Matthews exactly what he wanted. If Matthews took 10.5, then Marner would be happier to take less I'd bet. The way I see it is that the first 2 guys got what they want so why should mitch not get what he wants. I feel like some team will come in and offer sheet 10.5 mil for 5 years and Toronto will match and this will be over with. When you convince a star to take less, your other stars will likely follow suit, but when you give everyone what they want (including Tavares) nobody will take anything less than what they want. And it's not like its crazy if Marner wants the same deal as Matthews. He has been their most consistent player over the last 2 years and the bread man just got 11.6 so you can't say a winger wouldn't get paid that much.
You are so full of shit your breath stinks through the screen. Like Tavares? Another team offered him 13x7 and he took 11. The Contracts signed since Nylander have been stupid. Nylander's contract is right where it should be. Nylander is a 60 point player and peoples insistence on treating a shortened season as a full season just because of contract negotiation is stupid. It's not a full season so stop being a moron. His manager is an idiot and does this every time with every player. He pushes negotiation into the press and he knows that with Toronto the press is so good he thinks it will work. Your anti-leafs bias is showing you fucking joke and your team is the king of stupid contracts with a goaltender who can't decide if he's a star or a bum.
@@joer8854 oof this was a really salty reply lol. My point is just that marner has been the best leafs player for the last two years and given what Matthews and Tavares make 11+ marner probably feels he should make that as well. If the leafs offered him 10+ at the term he wants I feel like if he doesn't take that it gets to stupid levels, but he may feel differently. Also I never said the Nylander deal was bad I just said they basically gave him what he wanted ( I heard he wanted 7.5-8 so not that far off anyway) when he was worth 6.5 max given his actual seasons. Idk what it is about the leafs players but they seem to not budge at all Karlsson and meier are both getting like 6mil (ya tax and what not but still). They also should have atleast negotiated down Matthews a little bit, what I heard was that what he asked for he got. Also calling montreal the king of stupid contracts is quite harsh given some of the contracts in the nhl lol.
@@quickster6625 I would think that a Montreal fan would understand the importance of goal scoring, but hey Montreal hasn't bothered with that for more than a decade so not really a surprise. Marner is a play-maker. Without a franchise centre he's pointless. JT scored 86 points with a joke for line-mates on a joke of a team. He scored 88 with Marner. He was the Leafs best player. JT went up 2 points playing with Marner. Respectable and Marner is a great play-maker. Marner went up 25 points playing with Tavares. Marner while a great player wasn't even the Leafs best player this year. Without Tavares Marner is a little better than Nylander the guy you say is only worth 6.5.
Is Marner built for the playoffs? So does keeping him for the regular season only make sense?
When Kadri went; Marner was in. It's that simple.
In marner camp theres to much people telling mitch what hes worth like his mother and his great grandfather
so almost 40 mil for top 4 forwards probably, and only 1 D-man on the roster signed past this year. we need to spend on the back end.
Marner clearly has the same problem as the rest...
Greed. OF COURSE YOU HAVE RIGHTS! But that RIGHT shows where your heart is at!
Ego ego ego ego... because that’s your right right right right.
You want money money money money because you wanna get the max max max max max.
But to get that right of getting your max for your ego-- isn’t worth hurting you or your team!
Don’t say how much you wanna play. Say how much you want them to pay!
Marner put up 7 more points (albeit 2 less goals) than Panarin. he can now easily ask for Panarin money
Welcome to capitalism and getting paid what you're worth on the market.
What is not mentioned in all this money talk is that the money Marner can make from endorsement and other opportunities outside of his NHL contract is easily going to equal what his salary will pay ...... but ONLY if he's playing for the Leafs.
Ship his arse to Arizona where he can play with Kessel (on those days when Philomena decides he wants to play instead of floating his way through the game) and make an extra $35,000 a year doing commercials for "Honest Abe's Used Cars"
Cam Inch No he can’t because Panarin is making the same AAV as Matthews
Its the low cap. Players have to take what they are worth and can't aim for the skies.
Its always shocking when I take even one glance at what NBA players make in comparison, seeing two guys alone make 76.2M meanwhile our entire cap is 81.5M. Seeing pretty good NBA players still make double what the very best do in the NHL, its fuckin bananas, so until players in this league start getting paid anywhere near as much as other athletes then Hockey players are gonna have to settle regardless of how good they may be
Hayes really changed his opinion from this video to the latest marner overdrive video
Marner is nuts right now, kid doesn't seem to understand that if he takes a lower amount it's not gonna matter since the endorsements from being in Toronto alone will more than make up for it. Aho's signing will hopefully bring him back down to earth here.
After Aho signs, nobody is going to offer sheet Marner. Sign or sit out the season.
If we allow the NHL to become the NBA, where players get to choose the contract and team they play for, we're in serious trouble.
More offer sheets needed!
Panarin 28G 59A +14 gets 7yrs/81.5mill.
Marner 26G 68A +22
Mitchy gonna get paid. I think he gets offer sheeted soon.
Panarin Panarin Panarin. Why is it that everyone has forgotten the name Artemi Panarin? Is it because he's a few years older than Marner, scored fewer points last season, and signed for $11.643M per season?
He’s worked 9 1/2 tops man I think most Canadians would like to have that problem of making that much money that a game you love to play I paid to play hockey at 10 o’clock at night sucked it up and sign or MoveOn
Players are getting greedy
When does taking 9 million and being a legend in your city and to your team trump the extra 1 or 2 million you're gonna get? If you cant live comfortably off 9 million over 8 years, you've got bigger problems to worry about.
Michael Weis take 15$ less per hour at work so all your co-workers can get a new desk. Why not? Your workplace will improve? See how stupid you sound.
marner is skinny and tiny he should cash out before he gets injured and has issues
Welcome to sports bud
He will make alot of money in endorsements staying in Toronto his hometown.
You really asking why a person would leave 8-11 million on the table is a retarded question btw as if you wouldn't take a huge raise at work if it meant someone else somewhere in the company lost their job
Low balling? Didn't he refuse 11X8 because he wanted 5-year term...
AJ 4to yes, I believe that was a reported offer. Crazy
whether it's 8.5 to 12.5 times number of years you know that the signing bonus % is the prevailing factor, to deal with issues like escrow, etc. Matthews 94% Tavares 92%, guys like Panarin/Aho 91%, McDavid 86% O'Reilly 87%. u think it's a $ x # of years.
I'm just thankful Pasta got signed last yr at 6.6 mil a yr. Don't have to worry about him for another 5 yrs. I'd be kinda pissed off to being a leafs fans and Marner not taking 10 mil a yr. If he was on any other team he'd be making tops 8 or 9.
I find it hard to believe that Marner believes he deserves the same as Matthews. Sounds like Ferris and his daddy are way too involved and they need to back off. Hopefully Marner tells him that. The guy had one super impressive 94 point season but the previous 2 years were 61 and 69 points respectively. The guy benefited greatly from the addition of all star Centermen Tavares ... It's no coincidence his point total, particularly his assists went up so much. He is a great player that's for sure...fast, hard working on the ice, and clearly skilled. But he's also a winger, not a center. He's asking for center money...after one spectacular statistical season not 3. He doesn't deserve 11 plus mill a year that's for sure. Honestly 10 M a season would still be slightly over paid. The guy should be signing at 9 or 9.5 ideally over 6-8 years but I'd be ok with 4. If Dubas messes this signing up like he did with Nylander so far then he's going to completely get taken for rides every time contracts come up. I do think that Nylander contract was a fluke and I do think there's a chance he could pan out this season but damn if he over pays for Marner he's gonna handicap himself more than he already has. If the Marner camp does drag this out and goes close to the season. I would trade him. Fuck it. Trade him for a bunch of first rounders or an equally talented player or a big time D man. Dubas can't back down and needs to reset the tone for his tenure.
You're right he needs to trade him for a good dman or any other assets. There is a slim chance he becomes top 5 in the league even though he will be paid like a top 5.
Also the Nylander contract will look so good in coming years, Nylander is an amazing player and will no doubt eclipse 61 points a season.
The Meier deal is great for the Sharks. He’s the best offensive player on that team.
Agree. He was fantastic to watch in the playoffs. Plays 2 way hockey and still has the time to score 30+ goals.
The first question GM's will start to ask before every draft will now be "which of these kids are represented by Darren Ferris"? He can explain to them why they all slipped down 5 rounds.
i would have resigned ennis and played him on the first line and let marner go.
This issue needs to be resolved by Salary Arbitration, they'll be delighted to give Marner the "Good News". 😄😄😄😄
This situation is not eligible for arbitration. Marner hasn't been in the league long enough for arbitration. It's all up to Marner's camp vs. Leaf management.
Wait did you say its only marners 3rd year why should he get Matthews numbers isent it only Matthews 3rd year and marner is much better he leaded the team on scoring
Look around the league. Nobody gets paid as much as goal scoring centers. Wingers are simply less important. Its a fact that Mitch is going to have to come to terms with.
come on nobodys acting like these guys are gretzky or lemieux, theyre trying to get what theyre worth on the market
they are asking for an absurd amount of money in a salary cap system and splitting hairs. It's called an ego. If you truly wanted to play somewhere, you would take what you're worth and not cripple your team
@@jejsemin33 matthews didnt take a cut, tavares didnt take a cut, nylander didnt take a cut, and then you expect marner to? nah. he has every right to hold out and try to get what hes worth
@@TwixShots He has every right to hold out. And the Leafs have every right to let him. Marner has zero leverage.
Marner's asking for almost 3 million more than he's worth.
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He's the best fucking player in the team :D
Contracts are getting rediculous. If the owners cause a lockout it is their own fault.
Didn’t know to feel loved on a team you need them to pay you $12 million to stay
This Is why I'm lucky to be a Blues fan. Yeah they have Binnington to sign but they still have cap to sign everyone. If Maroon leaves oh well. He got a cup time to bring up Kostin.
Cause your team is 70%Canadians!!!
Oh it's Damm true!!
marner wants to get paid $11 mil which is just a tiny bit lower than what mcdavid gets paid, sorry hun but that ain’t happening
The problem isn’t what he wants ... problem is they over paid Mathews and Nylander now he wants to get over paid ... and hands down he’s a better player then both of them
hewa79 Matthews money makes sense, Nylander definitely did get overpaid but I’m guessing marner will settle for Matthew’s money unless his agent pressures him
Why not? He's been the team's leading scorer for the past two years
@@mattcramer9399 nylander had 120 pts in 160 games wtf he is worth 6.9
hewa79 ABSOLUTELY NOT you idiot!!
Prove to me how he is a better player than Matthews before saying something like that. It’s outrageous for Marner to even compare himself to Matthews!!!! Matthews is 10 times better!!! Nylander is also more skilled than Marner, but he doesn’t have the luxury of playing on a line with a top 5 center in the league!!!
Toronto media overstates leafs players while there are many other great young comparable players out there like Aho,Pasternak etc who will make far less money. Leafs stupidly over paid Matthews and now must stupidly overpay Marner
Marner’s most comparable free agent in this off-season is Panarin. To me, they are on the same level in terms of skill, ability and influence on the ice. So there’s no reason why Marner should not get 11.5 million dollars with the way the market is inflated today. The issue is not that the Leafs don’t want to pay him what he’s worth, it’s that they don’t have enough cap space to give it to him. This is a mistake from the Leafs to not pursue him more aggressively the year before and on Mitch’s father for all his negative comments towards the organization.
Panarin was a UFA, can't compare an RFA to a UFA, because UFAs go to the highest bidder. No one is bidding for RFAs, so they have no leverage. Not a good comparison contract-wise
Honestly i'm more interested in the leonard drama than the marner drama...lol...if some1 offer sheet marner we get 4 first rounders and at least 10 million in space to spend on a d man which we need right now...
If I was Mitch I’d sign for 5.5m. Not about the money as long as I get to play for the leafs. But the money would be nice too so I can pay for my family to be able to live a life of luxury
To Release is To Resolve I was born in Toronto, it’s my dream
Yo Hayes, How do you tell Mitch to take less then JT even though he will out score JT ever year for the rest of JTs career?
Because there's things other than points that takes years to develop, like leadership and experience that you can't quantify. If Marner takes a 5 year deal he will get his "JT contract" in 5 years.
He doesnt take faceoffs
For every goal there are two assists (usually). How many goals for Tavares and Marner?
He's a winger...
@@jeremywiderman So I guess Patrick Marleau was worth more then Mitch
It's obvious that Marner wants 4 or 5 years but Dubas is offering 6+ years. It's not about value, it's about term. My problem is these young RFA's want $8+million for 4 or 5 years and they think they can make more as UFA's at the end of these 5 year contracts. What do they want $13million? Do they think they should get more than McDavid? No. That's what is causing problems is these teams don't want to have to put all their cap space into 2 players 5 years from now.
If Marner turned down 10 million over 8 years after his sub par playoff scoring let him walk
He scored 6 more points than John Tavares, who you just paid $11 million to, and he's not 22.
West Coast Hockey Bias centers get paid more. Marner is not better than Kucherov who makes 9.5.
Im just saying if Marner went 1st overall in 2016 you all would be saying omg he’s worth more then McDavid
He didn't and isn't. And there is at least twenty other players that are worth more than him.
He shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as mcdavid
They should have let Nylander sit for a year and the Leafs wouldn't have this dilemma. Saying that, Marner should be offered no more than
$9 million or have him sit the year. Now that the Leafs have rid themselves of Kadri, I don't like the way this team is shaping up. Matthews, Tavares, Kapanen, Anderson and Nylander are all going to have to have career years to make the playoffs and then Matthews, Nylander and Kapanen will need to maintain that standard of play for the 5 years after that. As for Marner, take a 5 year deal at 9 per with a large upfront bonus in the $20 million range and get back to playing hockey looking forward to another future real big payday with a couple of Stanley Cups under your belt! Play hockey ... be happy .... forget all the crap!
Sam Santucci I’m no Leafs fan by any stretch of the imagination, but saying that they need to ALL have career years to make the playoffs? What kind of take is that? The Leafs have one of the most offensively sound teams in the league. The issue has been defence and grit that made it very difficult for all that offensive skill to push through against certain teams/in the playoffs. If they can actually manage to stop more pucks from going into their net so they don’t have to constantly outscore the other team to win, they could have LESS offence and be fine.
Have him go to the sharks!! I mean we just lost pavelski
He doesn't want 8,7, or 6.
This is why I like the raptors better than the leafs. Raptors weren't afraid to make big risky moves to win, while the leafs play it so safe they can't even risk losing a single player they said they'd keep even though they have a losing roster
They've traded 9 players already. I can't see how they are scared to make changes in their roster.
Already bolstered their defence with Barrie and Ceci. Traded Kadri for Kerfoot for 1 million less a season. Signed up 2 of their up an coming stars in Johnsson and Kapanen.
They literally traded away all the guys that most fans wanted them to get rid of. Marleau, Hainsey, Brown and Zaitsev.
They have made some good moves in the off season.
Most Teams would be willing to pay Marner 11M hes a franchise player hes going to continue to get better and impress more and more each year. The leafs offered him 11 for 8 years he said no because he didn't want the 8 year term. But how can you blame him the salary cap is going to continue to rise and Matthew's is gunna get his chance to make maybe 14 or more in 5 years. Marner wants that opportunity too. But after 8 years hel be 30 hes not getting a 13 or 14 million dollar contract for 8 years at that age maybe 3 to 5 years max where Matthew's is going to get his long term deal with big money, 11 seems like a lot now but we need to remember McDavid makes 12.5 another team offered Tavares 13. Nylander makes 7 but someday he might cash in on 10. It's hard because no Marner is not a Centre and no hes not the teams goal scorer but how is that really fair? All of Mariners team mates would of scored less without getting any minutes with marner. The league has not seen magic hands like marner. Sure you need the goal scorer. But Matthew's wouldn't of looked as good without marner on the power play. Hes a key player like it or not and is just as important as our top 2 centers. I mean come on the 11 best point getter in the league at 21 years old. And only gunna rise from there. Led the team in points 2 consecutive seasons. I can see marner excepting anything over 10.5 for any less than 5 years. Or over 11 for anything more then 6. Matthew's and Nylander really didn't take a deal why should marner? The other problem to is when people compare him to other wingers or even centers around the league. Toronto is the highest taxed city to play in in the league so that's not really fair either. Kucherovs 9.5 hel see roughly 8 million of it in toronto hed see less then 6. The league salary cap should be based on what the team pays the players after taxes. That would fix that problem
Chances are it is Dubas chiseling him. Saving even 500k AAV is worth playing hardball in the summer and even into the season