Incredible video Nick. The mashup at the start gave me goosebumps and then when you blended the Darrens vocals with the EKT instrumental, no words 🤯 Those cats at the end of the video are the real stars here though. 😸 I've pinned your video in my comments of both my videos so others can see this comparison and appreciate all the work and effort you've put into this. Keep up the good work mate ✌️
Im confused. Both members of Savage Garden are still active. Why not just ask them if they remember this track or if it’s even them to begin with? Obviously I’m not saying to harass the guys, but it would help get closer to finding it.
Good point, Javi. I believe there are several people in the process of reaching out to them, but this video is more so just to bring awareness to Camspiracy1's discovery. I'd reach out to them too, but I don't want to overwhelm them, as they've probably already received a hand full of emails regarding this. Hopefully they will give us a solid "yes" or "no" soon. Thanks for watching!
If it were Savage Garden or just Darren Hayes doing some side project we probably would've found out already. I think it's a genuine 80s artist/band, perhaps from Japan. Which would explain why the rest of the world don't know what it is.
After watching this video, I am convinced it's an unreleased Savage Garden track/single that was scrapped. The only thing to convince me otherwise is if Savage Garden themselves came out and denied it.
Some people also don’t pronounce words clearly when making demo tracks too because they’re still trying to come up with words and a melody to sing along to.
@@RileyShaw-ry7xz true some groups lime Depeche mode have talked about singing in a fantasy language even because they're focused on the sound before giving it lyrical meaning
It might be a unused lyrical/unused rendition, Like the music disc dog and eleven (Spelt like that) both off these are unused in minecraft, and are probably earlyer version off 11 and cat, So is this the same?
After looking through the band’s Wikipedia, here’s my theory on EKT and how it might connect to SG: So, under the name “Bliss”, SG recorded a five-track demo tape in 1994, of which 150 copies were sent out to record companies. Perhaps someone who had one of the copies handed out burned it to a CD and sold it at a garage sale, where Carl92 bought it, not realizing what the CD was.
Timeline fits too, the song is from 1982 - 1999. Savage Garden got together in 1993. However the sound of their music in my opinion is wildly different from this mid 80's type of style, if it is the singer from SG I wouldn't doubt that they thought it was a "outdated" song and scrapped it.
I have no idea where the "singer is japanese" came from. I listen to a lot of japanese music and it absolutley does not sound like a japanese accent in the slightest. I can believe they're european, but not japanese or asian at all.
I listen to a lot of city pop. I don't believe the city pop theory at all. City pop fans are crazy and there's no way someone in the city pop community wouldn't have identified the song by now. And the singer doesn't sound the least bit Japanese to me.
I’ve been speaking Japanese, listening to Japanese, talking with Japanese people, listening to music watching dramas and anime and movies that were in Japanese for almost 12 years, and the singer in this song does, in my opinion, definitely sound like they have a Japanese Accent, though specifically a very subdued Japanese accent, of someone who speaks very good english and is attempting intentionally to not let their Japanese accent show. I’ve also got a lot of experience in Korean, Russian, French and German. This is distinctly *NOT* Korean or French, or German. However it based on the music and the intonations it could be a very eastern Russian accent. If you listen closely, in the original recording, the pronunciation of “everyone knows that, she’s got” sounds a bit rushed on She’s got and the o sounds uncomfortably placed, the supposed position of the tongue in the word “motives” is another telling sign, you can hear the similar inflection to how a native Japanese speaker with a lot of english experience might pronounce that “V” and the slight flip/roll in “tell me the truth” is another sign. And while these are all things that are definitely more apparent in Japanese english speakers, I’m not saying its definite, nor am I saying being a Japanophile and a polyglot makes me an authority in this, but I’m just trying to point out that saying it “doesn’t sound like it in the slightest” is kind of over the top to say, and to say it sounds more european than asian is also kind of goofy to me, however I know its all opinions and conjecture, so at the end of the day regardless of which of us is right or wrong, I just hope we get to know the truth sooner rather than later.
Also, after having listened to it about 12 more times, I think I’ve done a little process of elimination, we could probably be fairly certain that its no english speaking country, if it was, then maybe there were drugs or a *lot* of alcohol in effect, I’ve listened to a few musicians on drugs before namely Kurt Cobain and while, its the least likely answer, it could be an english speaking singer who’s very intoxicated thus giving the appearance of an accent where there isn’t one. Secondly I’d say African accents can be ruled out, I wouldn’t entirely rule out Indian or Pakistani, the middle east in general though most likely not it. Its also important to remember accents can sound very different when singing as opposed to speaking, and regional dialects can come into play more on some words than others. If its European, the only places I’d name as candidates would be Finnland, Estonia, And in general far eastern former soviet bloc countries, russia is the least likely of them but possible still. And this final point is a bit of a longshot, but maybe an indigenous native american/tribal/Inuit singer, some Alaskan natives especially inuits can have pronunciations of some words that are, to me, reminiscent of some Japanese pronunciations. However I really want to re-iterate I’m fairly convinced that some of these vocal lines feature a distinctly Japanese accent. At the end of the day we’re working with very little info. But I just wanted to share some thoughts, hope everyone has a great night/day, and that tomorrow finds you in good health and high spirits. Lets hope this mystery is soon solved😊
Exactly! Thanks for saying what I’ve been thinking. The Singer just sounds like a 80s American WOMAN to me, Nothing else. I tried matching it to Olivia Newton John but her Voice was softer than the ETK sample. I doubt the Poor Quality of the Record would change her Voice THAT much. But It definitely sounds like a Singer I’ve heard before. Also No way in Hell, This was made after the 80s. It’s just too perfect for it to be anything else.
The only possibility is that 8090s Japanese commercial jingle invites a lot of foreign language speaking singers to sing for them. And I personally don’t think savage garden are the singers. This tune does sound very Japanese to me for some reason.
something i think people miss, EKT singer has an accent. listen to how they sing "tell me the truth". like someone whose first language wasn't English.
Well we have the theories of Japanese Portuguese and Spanish, however depending on what English speaking place you’re from it’s all going to sound different. For example American English sounds totally different than Australian and British English due to the accents
Hearing both songs in this way was surprising. The inflections, pitch and accents are completely different, but they are a lot closer than I would ever expected.
Very nice theory and well put together video, but in my opinion I don't believe this is the same singer at all. The singer of EKT sounds to me to have a distinctive accent while the singer of savage garden doesn't have that distinguishing accent with his sounding more Australian. My lineage is from austrailia and I'm well aware of that accent with it sounding like the "normal" accent to me. We're all entitled to our own opinions of course but I can't deny that to me I technically don't hear an accent in savage garden (with it being my own accent) and I definitely hear one in EKT.
Thank you for the insight @blackdragonwolve8317! This is a good point. especially during the lyric "motives" it definitely does sound like there is a distinct accent there.
I honestly think it might be a Japanese band that crashed and burned in the 90s media crash in Japan, no different than up and coming anime studios at the time.
Karl Lewis was drummer of savage garden. carl92 reference? The 92 in carl's username may reference 1992 ,which by the way is when Red Edge (precursor to Savage Garden) formed. Lol I'm just trying to think outside the box, I don't really believe its a connection. I do think that carl92 is trying to lead us in a rabbit hole on purpose due to his vague responses on the website. Maybe we should treat this as an ARG? Idk
This is a great breakdown! I'm not convinced that it's really a Savage Garden song due to the accent factor that someone else mentioned, but I can definitely hear the similarities more than before, so who knows! By the way, what kind of microphone and post processing are you using for your voiceover? It sounds great and you clearly know your stuff when it comes to audio tech things. Thanks!
I'm pretty sure it's true, because maybe record labels and pressers may keep the original recordings deep in their vaults. I always had dreams to travel bavk to 1999 to Carl92's home and record the full song. It may sound like breaking in, but I'm still sad the song isn't found. It's defenitly banger, just like ABBA at the time.
There are a number of mid 90s Savage Garden demos circulating which have similar lo-fi cassette quality to them and anachronistic 80s synths/drum machines, but Darren's voice is still very obviously the same one as on the studio recordings. It's plausible that this is a teenage recording of him when he was trying to imitate someone else though. It has a typical late 80s pop feel to it reminiscent of a number of British bands of the era. By the time of Savage Garden he'd taken on a more Michael Jackson influence in his vocals. I would definitely say the tape sounds a bit sped up though. He's made an ambiguous tweet with the name of the song, though I don't know if that means he was involved or just finds it amusing people think so. It could be a similar example to how differently Bryan Adams sang when he was in Sweeney Todd, prior to establishing his own sound.
what if... the guy that initially posted it was Darren or his Band mate that leaked it..? This theory is seriously on the top right now, Savage Garden, i hear it now wow
I really want to believe this but I have trouble believe any artist would drop a sample then wait 3 years to release a song. On the other hand this one clip has gotten a lot of attention so maybe they’re just racking up from this waiting for the search to die down so they can pop out like “hey, remember that song you all went crazy over? Well that was us”
You got a good point. For people denying it's savage garden, they truly don't know if they wrote it. But I understand why people are debunking the obvious claims like the dee dee one.
I'm a lifelong fan of Savage Garden and Darren Hayes, and if this turns out to be Darren singing here I'd be shocked. I know all we have is a low quality snippet, but his voice has always had a deeper resonance and distinct sound that just isn't there in the mystery song. Worth looking into, on the off chance that it was some sort of demo he did when he wasn''t as skilled, but I have very high doubts.
Honestly, these isolated and treated vocals from EKT really *seem* to highlight the singer's potential accent and makes me think he probably isn't a native English speaker. He still sounds fantastic, so please know that I don't mean that as a criticism but as a lead as far as who he is. I saw another video suggest he may be Japanese and while I'm in no authority to swear by it, it *sounds* extremely plausible to me. For reference I'm an American who's a fan of many Japanese artists.
Yes. I said that months ago and people just told me to not assume. It's very clearly Darren Hayes. He made this song when his friend Daniel Jones left the band and backstapped them. It was never released due to potential legal issues.
I saw a video by Camspiracy, it's a recording of an instagram live Darren made and someone asked him if ETK was from Bliss (previous name of Savage Garden) and he didn't answer directly but said he consideres all leaked demos as stolen and an invasion of privacy. It really seems like he indirectly confirmed this is a "lost" Savage Garden demo that will never be available past the 17 seconds we already have, and while it is a shame we'll most likely never get to hear the full song, I think we should respect Darren's decision and not bother him
I'll be totally honest, Truly Madly Deeply was my parents wedding song in 2003. I've known Savage Garden my entire life (born '97) having heard a lot of their music, and I have heard this other track and it just never clicked to me as Savage Garden until now with it put directly side to side. Could always be though, as they say, it's a small world. As others have said though, both of these guys are still active
even if Savage Garden weren't behind this originally, if they covered/recorded it now it WOULD 100% break the internet and skyrocket their popularity (again)
Here’s what I think: (UPDATED) I think EKT/Ulterior motives is a draft track by Savage Garden. It possibly could’ve been a track they had recorded but never released to the public. It may had been leaked and burned to a cd. Possibly that cd could’ve been sold in a garage sale that Carl92 had visited between the late ‘80s and early ‘90s. I’m very glad that the search for this unknown song is progressing!
Everyone knows that is called ulterior motives by Christopher st booth and Phillip Adrian booth. It was also found in an adult movie called angels of passion
What a captivating video! I've been a fan of this search for a while now so it's awesome to see some progress being made and being presented as you did here. Amazing editing and production value coming from someone with so little recognition, absolutely giving you a sub for whatever you bring next :)
Darren has a better and more polished voice than the EKT singer and that song sounds super 80s while Savage Garden was around in the 90s at the earliest and their early stuff sounds very 90s. Whenever EKT aired, I think it was written and recorded in the 80s.
Thanks so much for that! I really appreciate it. I have a much much larger channel for my business, but this one has always been my "secret" channel for years, where I would post crazy, random videos that were taking up space on my phone, lol. I think I'm going to make longer edits on this one as well now. Thanks again for the kind words, and thanks for watching!
@@AdventursWithNick awesome, you have so many hobbies and stuff that's crazy. Making whips, making videos like this one, playing guitar, etc etc, I try to be similar, in terms of being a jack of all trades at least, I love guitar and making videos as well and I've always pondered the idea of starting a business
ekt was written by dee dee kenniebrew (EDIT: THIS COULD BE FAKE! IDK THOUGH) original comment i found this out about: This song was made by the Dee Dee Kenniebrew of the 1960's singing group "The Crystals". The song was made in 1987 when she tried to make a solo album after performing as one of The Crystals. The solo album was a failure and never released due to problems with Dee Dee and the label that ended in a lawsuit. The album was called "A Shining Crystal". It was not released as I said but the album was finished and was about to be released when Dee Dee Kenniebrew had a screaming fight with the label's CEO and it all ended with a lawsuit. The album could have been released with a completely different name and artist, some labels do that so they don't waste the time and money it took to record a whole album. Dee Dee can't name the label or record company that she was in as it would be breaching of contract. She also can't pin point the name of the song as all the songs in the album had the same type of catch she said. It's possible the label sent the album or the song out to radio stations or TV stations to get traction but it never did.
Everyone’s favorite research site claims that “In late 1987, got the chance to see his hero Michael Jackson performing live in Brisbane as part of the Bad Tour. He credits this as encouraging him to pursue a career in entertainment.” The band that would become Savage Garden was originally called Crush, but another band owned that name in the UK. They changed it to Bliss and recorded a demo tape to send to record companies. The band has always been Hayes on Vocals and Daniel Jones on guitar, keyboard and vocals. No drummer. My educated guess would be EKT was either an early recording Hayes did after the MJ concert but before forming Crush… or it was on the Bliss demo. Perhaps there was a Behind The Music style documentary about Savage Garden and they played those few seconds off the demo tape while talking about the band’s early years?
well considering Darren's music career started in 1993, it's possible that EKT MIGHT'VE been made in the mid 90s (I don't know if the Linn-Drum was still used at that time) if Savage Garden made the song. But uh, damn, still wishing and waiting for the song to emerge in full view.
I heard someone mention they think it was Darren Hayes singing, and while at first I wasn't convinced, because I didn't think they sounded similar enough, I never considered what he could have sounded like years before being in Savage Garden, especially if the song sounds like it could be a good 10 years prior to Savage Garden. Also, Darren Hayes was recently on Australia's The Masked Singer, and it was hard to tell his voice for some songs, for others, much easier, so he did have us fooled in the end.
This is a super interesting video. At first, I was physically watching while listening - so I obviously saw the picture clips change with the sounds and could see when the changes were coming up. It was convincing. Then I listened to the entire comparison portions again with my eyes closed (as I wouldn’t know when each section was about to change), and in doing so, I DON’T think it’s the same singer in both. They are very similar, but there’s differences when solely depending on sounds alone. Just my two cents! I found this rabbit hole recently and love seeing all the theories. 🥸🤙🏼
Intressting take I used to think that 'everyone knows thats' singer sounds a closer to Jermaine Stewart who did 'we don't have to take our clothes off' since the musical style is kinda 'post disco' era. Great video thou.
The lack of sound quality in the original clip makes it hard to judge, but I still think the production sounds like it was made in the mid 80s. That would rule out any connection to Savage Garden. And I think the voice has traces of Boy George in it ..but I guess Darren Hayes could sing like that if he wanted to. Could this have been an unreleased demo by SG that was playing on the TV?
The part of that Savage Garden song, where it has double layered vocals, sound exactly like the ekt song. If you can find more instances where he adds doubled layered vocals. We could find more similarities and close calls.
Camspiracy got ears like a bat😲👌🏽. This mystery is definitely only fit to be solved by you, and clearly Tipper and Lucy Brown agree. But Herman Sherman looks like he can't take the pressure.... and the black and white cat is still on the fence😆.
I had a dream a few nights ago that Carl92 was the singer to this song all this time, lol. Anyways, to me, the ETK singer sounds like Robbie Rosa from 80s boy band called "Menudo" but Johnny Glove is a possibility too! Supposedly, there's been an extended version of EKT.
Okay I’m pretty convinced by this one. I’ve always been really good at matching and recognizing voices and this is clearly the same person. It’s also kind of a weird, idiosyncratic singing style and overall timbre that not many people have.
For some reason the bass rythm reminds me a lot to talking in your sleep by the romantics, I hope this song can be found soon cause I would like to hear it !!! :)
i think it's a idea for a song shared within a musical group or songwriting partners.....that leaked out. whether it's savage garden or some other band....that we may never find out....
I think another band named the outfield made this song, they had one popular album but the others weren’t popular. It could have been a deleted song or something but you should probably look into it.
Darren sounds distinctly like someone who's first language is English. EKT's singer has slurs happening on certain words, specifically on "Lies", "Motives" and "Truth". To me, this sounds like a Japanese accent. Albeit a very slight one, as if the singer has been speaking English for a while. This doesn't mean it was a Japanese band specifically. It could have been an English band with a Japanese lead singer.
The song sounds too 80s to be SG. Even by the early 90s you just didn't hear songs like that anymore. But that doesn't rule out Darren Hayes being the vocalist. It could well be something he did in his teens around 89.
I'm not convinced it's even real. I mean, people call it the song that everyone knows but no one knows the name of, but I've never heard it naturally in my life and it doesn't look like the majority of people have either. We have no idea where or what it could've come from, and it just popped up on the internet one day. Maybe this is just some kind of ARG-like thing.
I'm no music expert, but I'm a hobbyist singer with a good ear for spotting vocals and the voices of people, and I think the EKT singer sounds higher than the SG singer. It's either in a higher key or a different person with a close enough voice. Because the SG singer's high notes don't reach the same high pitched sound the EKT singer's do. Maybe if you pitched EKT down a bit it would match better? Since I've seen people claim it's the wrong pitch and too high.
I'm also convinced the EKT singer is female. The voice is too high to belong to a male, it's a severely distorted female voice. Or maybe a teenage boy's voice if it's male.
I still think that Carl92 created this fragment himself just to troll with the people. They didn't use AI, it wasn't a demo of a different song he or someone else made. I think it's just this and nothing more. He created this as a prank, and it worked. He is inactive on the Carl92 account because he's either laughing at us and wants us to keep looking for something that doesn't exist, or because he feels guilty that it went so out of hand, he doesn't want to let us down, he doesn't want us to know that we've been looking for basically nothing.
I think it's possible but unlikely. Listening to songs actually from the 80s and songs emulating that style today there's a clear difference in how they sound. Creating something that sounds authentically 80s is difficult, which doesn't necessarily rule out Carl92 faking the clip, but at least to me makes it very unlikely that he could've
@@mht5875 perhaps, but keep in mind that the AI tool used on EKT changed the vocals to a more shouty and whiny voice overall. The pc microphone could have made the pitch of the song higher or lower as well, WE DO NOT KNOW. Savage garden is 90% EKT.
I’m guessing the reason it may sound a bit different is because EKT was recorded from a tv back 1983-1999 (with speculation) which may explain why it sound a little more lower pitched
Probably a huge stretch, but I think it could be a Chinese singer or some country with huge restrictions on their people and that’s why it’s so obscure. This is probably really dumb though
The Singer just sounds like a 80s American WOMAN to me, Nothing else. I tried matching it to Olivia Newton John but her Voice was softer than the EKT sample. I doubt the Poor Quality of the Record would change her Voice THAT much. But It definitely sounds like a Singer I’ve heard before. Also No way in Hell, This was made after the 80s. It’s just too perfect for it to be anything else.
Daren Hayes was born in 1972, making him in his late teens to early 20s at the LATEST when EKT was "recorded." However, he did start auditoning in 1993, still making him around 20-21 years old. So.. perhaps...this.. is a demo? Highly implausible in my opinion
I was analyzing the two voices, for me they sounded identical, so i asked my mom, she sings pretty well and has a very good melody listening and she told me the voices are identical, so 90% this was some Savage Green unknown project.
Yeah. But whatever there's a new lead you had to contact the band that everyone said. Sorry if i sound harsh, rude or even very critical-like but i was just saying that whatever there's a new lead about band behind it. You had to contact the members
My guesses are Climie Fisher, Times Two and Savage Garden. I believe Darren was asked and abruptly ended communication about it without revealing anything useful.
Turns out it was two brothers named Chris and Phil Booth who recorded a ton of songs for use in various movies, and Ulterior Motives ended up being found in a pr0n movie.
Listen to the songs written by American songwriting duo George Merrill and Shannon Rubicam. They performed themselves as "Boy Meets Girl". Some of their songs were massive hits for others. Their big hits sound like EKT. They may have been an influence.
Incredible video Nick.
The mashup at the start gave me goosebumps and then when you blended the Darrens vocals with the EKT instrumental, no words 🤯
Those cats at the end of the video are the real stars here though. 😸
I've pinned your video in my comments of both my videos so others can see this comparison and appreciate all the work and effort you've put into this.
Keep up the good work mate ✌️
Thanks so much! The more I listen, the more I think you really solved it. Great work! And yes, I had to get the cats in on it too! 😂
@@AdventursWithNickI think we'll get it soon
@@AdventursWithNick Release the full version of the mashup!
@@AdventursWithNickYour kitties are adorable! I’m a cat person too 😊.
What's their names?
Im confused. Both members of Savage Garden are still active. Why not just ask them if they remember this track or if it’s even them to begin with? Obviously I’m not saying to harass the guys, but it would help get closer to finding it.
Good point, Javi. I believe there are several people in the process of reaching out to them, but this video is more so just to bring awareness to Camspiracy1's discovery. I'd reach out to them too, but I don't want to overwhelm them, as they've probably already received a hand full of emails regarding this. Hopefully they will give us a solid "yes" or "no" soon. Thanks for watching!
If it were Savage Garden or just Darren Hayes doing some side project we probably would've found out already. I think it's a genuine 80s artist/band, perhaps from Japan. Which would explain why the rest of the world don't know what it is.
@@geminijinxies7258It's never a bad idea to investigate every lead, if only to rule it out as a possibility.
@@vogonp4287 True. I hope we'll find out soon.
Obviously if they did it, then they are trying to hide that fact and either created the conspiracy themselves or ran with it once the track got out.
After watching this video, I am convinced it's an unreleased Savage Garden track/single that was scrapped. The only thing to convince me otherwise is if Savage Garden themselves came out and denied it.
That’s my theory as well. It could be a track they made a long time ago before they got famous.
Some people also don’t pronounce words clearly when making demo tracks too because they’re still trying to come up with words and a melody to sing along to.
@@RileyShaw-ry7xz true some groups lime Depeche mode have talked about singing in a fantasy language even because they're focused on the sound before giving it lyrical meaning
It might be a unused lyrical/unused rendition, Like the music disc dog and eleven (Spelt like that) both off these are unused in minecraft, and are probably earlyer version off 11 and cat, So is this the same?
Someone contacted him and he made a tweet that said "everyone knows that" before deleting it lol its on the video about the song by Blameitonjorge
may u people solve this fckin mystery quick i cant wait to listen full version of ekt
Even if the mystery is solved there's no guarantee that a full version of this song exist. If this theory is true. It's most likely a lost demo song.
@@i_used_adblock_to_watch_thisyeah and also the point mostly of this song is who made it.
There's probably not one, it's seemingly an unfinished demo since the vocals stop in the recording..
We've got it lol
Angels of Passion 1986
If it isn’t him doing the vocals, somebody needs to get him on a recreation!!! Really close match
So we're gonna make him recreate a corn song. 💀
Thank you for including my HQ Remaster in this video! Great video, might i add. I love the editing and analysis!
You're very welcome! Easily the clearest version out there, and you did such a fantastic job!
Wasn't that made by someone else?
It's not yours. You stole the instrumentals from other channels.
@SchulterblattHi there!
@@i_used_adblock_to_watch_thisYou're wrong my man. I didn't steal any instrumentals other people made. Vocals are upscaled and eq'ed.
After looking through the band’s Wikipedia, here’s my theory on EKT and how it might connect to SG:
So, under the name “Bliss”, SG recorded a five-track demo tape in 1994, of which 150 copies were sent out to record companies. Perhaps someone who had one of the copies handed out burned it to a CD and sold it at a garage sale, where Carl92 bought it, not realizing what the CD was.
It also could have been on a tv add due to the frequency
but the thing is its a dvd backup, and the recording we got is from a mic to a speaker.
That’s a good theory
I hope Carl92 gives us more info!
I personally think it's all just a hoax, it's no coincidence that the lyrics talk about deceit.
Timeline fits too, the song is from 1982 - 1999. Savage Garden got together in 1993. However the sound of their music in my opinion is wildly different from this mid 80's type of style, if it is the singer from SG I wouldn't doubt that they thought it was a "outdated" song and scrapped it.
It was outdated by 1993 but the guy where only like 19 or 20 so they might've just been playing old music. Pop music changed a lot from 1991 to 1993.
I have no idea where the "singer is japanese" came from. I listen to a lot of japanese music and it absolutley does not sound like a japanese accent in the slightest. I can believe they're european, but not japanese or asian at all.
I listen to a lot of city pop. I don't believe the city pop theory at all. City pop fans are crazy and there's no way someone in the city pop community wouldn't have identified the song by now. And the singer doesn't sound the least bit Japanese to me.
I’ve been speaking Japanese, listening to Japanese, talking with Japanese people, listening to music watching dramas and anime and movies that were in Japanese for almost 12 years, and the singer in this song does, in my opinion, definitely sound like they have a Japanese Accent, though specifically a very subdued Japanese accent, of someone who speaks very good english and is attempting intentionally to not let their Japanese accent show. I’ve also got a lot of experience in Korean, Russian, French and German. This is distinctly *NOT* Korean or French, or German. However it based on the music and the intonations it could be a very eastern Russian accent. If you listen closely, in the original recording, the pronunciation of “everyone knows that, she’s got” sounds a bit rushed on She’s got and the o sounds uncomfortably placed, the supposed position of the tongue in the word “motives” is another telling sign, you can hear the similar inflection to how a native Japanese speaker with a lot of english experience might pronounce that “V” and the slight flip/roll in “tell me the truth” is another sign. And while these are all things that are definitely more apparent in Japanese english speakers, I’m not saying its definite, nor am I saying being a Japanophile and a polyglot makes me an authority in this, but I’m just trying to point out that saying it “doesn’t sound like it in the slightest” is kind of over the top to say, and to say it sounds more european than asian is also kind of goofy to me, however I know its all opinions and conjecture, so at the end of the day regardless of which of us is right or wrong, I just hope we get to know the truth sooner rather than later.
Also, after having listened to it about 12 more times, I think I’ve done a little process of elimination, we could probably be fairly certain that its no english speaking country, if it was, then maybe there were drugs or a *lot* of alcohol in effect, I’ve listened to a few musicians on drugs before namely Kurt Cobain and while, its the least likely answer, it could be an english speaking singer who’s very intoxicated thus giving the appearance of an accent where there isn’t one. Secondly I’d say African accents can be ruled out, I wouldn’t entirely rule out Indian or Pakistani, the middle east in general though most likely not it. Its also important to remember accents can sound very different when singing as opposed to speaking, and regional dialects can come into play more on some words than others. If its European, the only places I’d name as candidates would be Finnland, Estonia, And in general far eastern former soviet bloc countries, russia is the least likely of them but possible still. And this final point is a bit of a longshot, but maybe an indigenous native american/tribal/Inuit singer, some Alaskan natives especially inuits can have pronunciations of some words that are, to me, reminiscent of some Japanese pronunciations. However I really want to re-iterate I’m fairly convinced that some of these vocal lines feature a distinctly Japanese accent. At the end of the day we’re working with very little info. But I just wanted to share some thoughts, hope everyone has a great night/day, and that tomorrow finds you in good health and high spirits. Lets hope this mystery is soon solved😊
Exactly! Thanks for saying what I’ve been thinking.
The Singer just sounds like a 80s American WOMAN to me, Nothing else.
I tried matching it to Olivia Newton John but her Voice was softer than the ETK sample. I doubt the Poor Quality of the Record would change her Voice THAT much. But It definitely sounds like a Singer I’ve heard before.
Also No way in Hell, This was made after the 80s. It’s just too perfect for it to be anything else.
The only possibility is that 8090s Japanese commercial jingle invites a lot of foreign language speaking singers to sing for them. And I personally don’t think savage garden are the singers. This tune does sound very Japanese to me for some reason.
something i think people miss, EKT singer has an accent. listen to how they sing "tell me the truth". like someone whose first language wasn't English.
I've thought the same thing before, specifically with the pronunciation of "motives." Maybe it's an accent, maybe not, but it just stands out to me.
kinda japanese
Well we have the theories of Japanese Portuguese and Spanish, however depending on what English speaking place you’re from it’s all going to sound different. For example American English sounds totally different than Australian and British English due to the accents
Hearing both songs in this way was surprising. The inflections, pitch and accents are completely different, but they are a lot closer than I would ever expected.
Very nice theory and well put together video, but in my opinion I don't believe this is the same singer at all. The singer of EKT sounds to me to have a distinctive accent while the singer of savage garden doesn't have that distinguishing accent with his sounding more Australian. My lineage is from austrailia and I'm well aware of that accent with it sounding like the "normal" accent to me. We're all entitled to our own opinions of course but I can't deny that to me I technically don't hear an accent in savage garden (with it being my own accent) and I definitely hear one in EKT.
Thank you for the insight @blackdragonwolve8317! This is a good point. especially during the lyric "motives" it definitely does sound like there is a distinct accent there.
I honestly think it might be a Japanese band that crashed and burned in the 90s media crash in Japan, no different than up and coming anime studios at the time.
Karl Lewis was drummer of savage garden. carl92 reference?
The 92 in carl's username may reference 1992 ,which by the way is when Red Edge (precursor to Savage Garden) formed.
Lol I'm just trying to think outside the box, I don't really believe its a connection. I do think that carl92 is trying to lead us in a rabbit hole on purpose due to his vague responses on the website. Maybe we should treat this as an ARG? Idk
Dude probably wanted to sign up for the website type in his name and added 92 to it because Carl was taken
Savage Garden? More like Trimmed Bush.
This is a great breakdown! I'm not convinced that it's really a Savage Garden song due to the accent factor that someone else mentioned, but I can definitely hear the similarities more than before, so who knows!
By the way, what kind of microphone and post processing are you using for your voiceover? It sounds great and you clearly know your stuff when it comes to audio tech things. Thanks!
Yeah, there is a hint more accent, but still, great breakdown!
when u isolate vocals it can make them sound a little weird, it doesn't always pick all of the frequencies up
yeti mic blue 2000
singers can sound different tho
Imagine if the Song was just hiding in plain sight all this time.
Edit: AHHHHH ITS FOUND!!!! OMGOMGO
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I'm pretty sure it's true, because maybe record labels and pressers may keep the original recordings deep in their vaults. I always had dreams to travel bavk to 1999 to Carl92's home and record the full song. It may sound like breaking in, but I'm still sad the song isn't found. It's defenitly banger, just like ABBA at the time.
@@minilopkastudios4711 if you do somehow end up time traveling, don’t break into somebody’s house🤣🤣
@Daboypurplhart Good plan! If time machines ever get invented (and if this search and I still live by then), I will do just that!
hey chat... it was found..
@@DollaZep I heard. Weird to think that it's from a porn movie. I hope we find the original version without sex noises.
There are a number of mid 90s Savage Garden demos circulating which have similar lo-fi cassette quality to them and anachronistic 80s synths/drum machines, but Darren's voice is still very obviously the same one as on the studio recordings. It's plausible that this is a teenage recording of him when he was trying to imitate someone else though. It has a typical late 80s pop feel to it reminiscent of a number of British bands of the era. By the time of Savage Garden he'd taken on a more Michael Jackson influence in his vocals. I would definitely say the tape sounds a bit sped up though. He's made an ambiguous tweet with the name of the song, though I don't know if that means he was involved or just finds it amusing people think so. It could be a similar example to how differently Bryan Adams sang when he was in Sweeney Todd, prior to establishing his own sound.
Yeah really similar, I think the mystery is almost solved hopefully
what if... the guy that initially posted it was Darren or his Band mate that leaked it..? This theory is seriously on the top right now, Savage Garden, i hear it now wow
What? You think it was a drop for a new song they're cooking or something?
I really want to believe this but I have trouble believe any artist would drop a sample then wait 3 years to release a song. On the other hand this one clip has gotten a lot of attention so maybe they’re just racking up from this waiting for the search to die down so they can pop out like “hey, remember that song you all went crazy over? Well that was us”
Man the savage garden theory is so nostalgic, i was almost convinced that it was them back then tbh
@@F1BastiPH Me too!
Well it does sound very similar, but I believe EKT is a song made by a strictly unknown artist no one has ever heard of before
You got a good point.
For people denying it's savage garden, they truly don't know if they wrote it.
But I understand why people are debunking the obvious claims like the dee dee one.
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@@3soysauced Fixed it
He tweeted the lyrics to be a menace 😂
I'm a lifelong fan of Savage Garden and Darren Hayes, and if this turns out to be Darren singing here I'd be shocked. I know all we have is a low quality snippet, but his voice has always had a deeper resonance and distinct sound that just isn't there in the mystery song. Worth looking into, on the off chance that it was some sort of demo he did when he wasn''t as skilled, but I have very high doubts.
Honestly, these isolated and treated vocals from EKT really *seem* to highlight the singer's potential accent and makes me think he probably isn't a native English speaker. He still sounds fantastic, so please know that I don't mean that as a criticism but as a lead as far as who he is. I saw another video suggest he may be Japanese and while I'm in no authority to swear by it, it *sounds* extremely plausible to me. For reference I'm an American who's a fan of many Japanese artists.
We don’t know if the EKT singer is necessarily male. I thought they were female for a while but now it’s becoming ambiguous.
You're pretty right, but here's something: he pronounces the L *perfectly* when saying "ulterior motives".
Yes. I said that months ago and people just told me to not assume. It's very clearly Darren Hayes. He made this song when his friend Daniel Jones left the band and backstapped them. It was never released due to potential legal issues.
I saw a video by Camspiracy, it's a recording of an instagram live Darren made and someone asked him if ETK was from Bliss (previous name of Savage Garden) and he didn't answer directly but said he consideres all leaked demos as stolen and an invasion of privacy. It really seems like he indirectly confirmed this is a "lost" Savage Garden demo that will never be available past the 17 seconds we already have, and while it is a shame we'll most likely never get to hear the full song, I think we should respect Darren's decision and not bother him
pitched it down -150 cents (-1.5 semitones) and it sound pretty close to darrens vocals
I'll be totally honest, Truly Madly Deeply was my parents wedding song in 2003. I've known Savage Garden my entire life (born '97) having heard a lot of their music, and I have heard this other track and it just never clicked to me as Savage Garden until now with it put directly side to side. Could always be though, as they say, it's a small world. As others have said though, both of these guys are still active
even if Savage Garden weren't behind this originally, if they covered/recorded it now it WOULD 100% break the internet and skyrocket their popularity (again)
Here’s what I think:
(UPDATED)
I think EKT/Ulterior motives is a draft track by Savage Garden. It possibly could’ve been a track they had recorded but never released to the public. It may had been leaked and burned to a cd. Possibly that cd could’ve been sold in a garage sale that Carl92 had visited between the late ‘80s and early ‘90s.
I’m very glad that the search for this unknown song is progressing!
Everyone knows that is called ulterior motives by Christopher st booth and Phillip Adrian booth. It was also found in an adult movie called angels of passion
What a captivating video! I've been a fan of this search for a while now so it's awesome to see some progress being made and being presented as you did here. Amazing editing and production value coming from someone with so little recognition, absolutely giving you a sub for whatever you bring next :)
The voice is similar, but that doesn't mean it's him. Ask Darren to see.
Darren has a better and more polished voice than the EKT singer and that song sounds super 80s while Savage Garden was around in the 90s at the earliest and their early stuff sounds very 90s. Whenever EKT aired, I think it was written and recorded in the 80s.
Same. My money is on an obscure Japanese band that perished in the 90s with the media crash before they could get any form of popularity.
What a nice boombox render ♥️📻
Thanks!
Dude this quality is insane, like I would expect someone with 100k subs to make a video like this. Awesome content man
Thanks so much for that! I really appreciate it. I have a much much larger channel for my business, but this one has always been my "secret" channel for years, where I would post crazy, random videos that were taking up space on my phone, lol. I think I'm going to make longer edits on this one as well now. Thanks again for the kind words, and thanks for watching!
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and @NickSchrader
@@AdventursWithNick awesome, you have so many hobbies and stuff that's crazy. Making whips, making videos like this one, playing guitar, etc etc, I try to be similar, in terms of being a jack of all trades at least, I love guitar and making videos as well and I've always pondered the idea of starting a business
So similar it’s uncanny! Think this could be something but surely Savage Garden would have shed abit of light on this by now
Darren Hayes has just tweeted about this song. We may be onto something here.
ekt was written by dee dee kenniebrew
(EDIT: THIS COULD BE FAKE! IDK THOUGH)
original comment i found this out about:
This song was made by the Dee Dee Kenniebrew of the 1960's singing group "The Crystals". The song was made in 1987 when she tried to make a solo album after performing as one of The Crystals. The solo album was a failure and never released due to problems with Dee Dee and the label that ended in a lawsuit. The album was called "A Shining Crystal". It was not released as I said but the album was finished and was about to be released when Dee Dee Kenniebrew had a screaming fight with the label's CEO and it all ended with a lawsuit. The album could have been released with a completely different name and artist, some labels do that so they don't waste the time and money it took to record a whole album. Dee Dee can't name the label or record company that she was in as it would be breaching of contract. She also can't pin point the name of the song as all the songs in the album had the same type of catch she said. It's possible the label sent the album or the song out to radio stations or TV stations to get traction but it never did.
It's been debunked already
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Everyone’s favorite research site claims that “In late 1987, got the chance to see his hero Michael Jackson performing live in Brisbane as part of the Bad Tour. He credits this as encouraging him to pursue a career in entertainment.”
The band that would become Savage Garden was originally called Crush, but another band owned that name in the UK. They changed it to Bliss and recorded a demo tape to send to record companies. The band has always been Hayes on Vocals and Daniel Jones on guitar, keyboard and vocals. No drummer.
My educated guess would be EKT was either an early recording Hayes did after the MJ concert but before forming Crush… or it was on the Bliss demo. Perhaps there was a Behind The Music style documentary about Savage Garden and they played those few seconds off the demo tape while talking about the band’s early years?
well considering Darren's music career started in 1993, it's possible that EKT MIGHT'VE been made in the mid 90s (I don't know if the Linn-Drum was still used at that time) if Savage Garden made the song.
But uh, damn, still wishing and waiting for the song to emerge in full view.
The file was from 1999 I heard
I heard someone mention they think it was Darren Hayes singing, and while at first I wasn't convinced, because I didn't think they sounded similar enough, I never considered what he could have sounded like years before being in Savage Garden, especially if the song sounds like it could be a good 10 years prior to Savage Garden. Also, Darren Hayes was recently on Australia's The Masked Singer, and it was hard to tell his voice for some songs, for others, much easier, so he did have us fooled in the end.
This is a super interesting video. At first, I was physically watching while listening - so I obviously saw the picture clips change with the sounds and could see when the changes were coming up. It was convincing.
Then I listened to the entire comparison portions again with my eyes closed (as I wouldn’t know when each section was about to change), and in doing so, I DON’T think it’s the same singer in both. They are very similar, but there’s differences when solely depending on sounds alone.
Just my two cents! I found this rabbit hole recently and love seeing all the theories. 🥸🤙🏼
I hear George Michael or Wham!. My guess is it's a jingle George Michael did for a mattress store.
Intressting take I used to think that 'everyone knows thats' singer sounds a closer to Jermaine Stewart who did 'we don't have to take our clothes off' since the musical style is kinda 'post disco' era. Great video thou.
The lack of sound quality in the original clip makes it hard to judge, but I still think the production sounds like it was made in the mid 80s. That would rule out any connection to Savage Garden.
And I think the voice has traces of Boy George in it ..but I guess Darren Hayes could sing like that if he wanted to. Could this have been an unreleased demo by SG that was playing on the TV?
The part of that Savage Garden song, where it has double layered vocals, sound exactly like the ekt song.
If you can find more instances where he adds doubled layered vocals.
We could find more similarities and close calls.
Very cool, but the mystery was solved. The name of the singer is Christopher Saint Booth and it's all over RUclips now!
Personally, I think the song sounds way too 80s-sounding for it to be a Savage Garden demo.
Camspiracy got ears like a bat😲👌🏽. This mystery is definitely only fit to be solved by you, and clearly Tipper and Lucy Brown agree. But Herman Sherman looks like he can't take the pressure.... and the black and white cat is still on the fence😆.
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Everyone's Know That is belongs to Christopher Saint Booth... This song is found on April 28, 2024
Aw mate fuck up
I had a dream a few nights ago that Carl92 was the singer to this song all this time, lol. Anyways, to me, the ETK singer sounds like Robbie Rosa from 80s boy band called "Menudo" but Johnny Glove is a possibility too!
Supposedly, there's been an extended version of EKT.
Okay I’m pretty convinced by this one. I’ve always been really good at matching and recognizing voices and this is clearly the same person. It’s also kind of a weird, idiosyncratic singing style and overall timbre that not many people have.
For some reason the bass rythm reminds me a lot to talking in your sleep by the romantics, I hope this song can be found soon cause I would like to hear it !!! :)
NICKKKKKKKKK THEY FOUND IT
i think it's a idea for a song shared within a musical group or songwriting partners.....that leaked out. whether it's savage garden or some other band....that we may never find out....
Give me the boombox
Must be the recording from a cancelled song of Savage Garden
FIXED: Maybe was a cancelled part of that song?
I think another band named the outfield made this song, they had one popular album but the others weren’t popular. It could have been a deleted song or something but you should probably look into it.
Personally I don't hear it. The Outfield seems a bit more new wave/rock than EKT
It sounds nothing like The Outfield lol
If youtubes search results weren’t so irrelevant we would of found it by now
Darren sounds distinctly like someone who's first language is English. EKT's singer has slurs happening on certain words, specifically on "Lies", "Motives" and "Truth". To me, this sounds like a Japanese accent. Albeit a very slight one, as if the singer has been speaking English for a while. This doesn't mean it was a Japanese band specifically. It could have been an English band with a Japanese lead singer.
I was scared when I heard the beginning.
Maybe it was a demo that Darren Hayes recorded before joining Savage Garden, because the style screams loudly 80s
The song sounds too 80s to be SG. Even by the early 90s you just didn't hear songs like that anymore. But that doesn't rule out Darren Hayes being the vocalist. It could well be something he did in his teens around 89.
I'm not convinced it's even real. I mean, people call it the song that everyone knows but no one knows the name of, but I've never heard it naturally in my life and it doesn't look like the majority of people have either. We have no idea where or what it could've come from, and it just popped up on the internet one day. Maybe this is just some kind of ARG-like thing.
That would be so funny, imagine this Carl92 guy being pissed everyone's trying to find out the song instead of following the ARG
We need a whole video on cat footage
Has anyone asked Darren Hayes about this?
I'm no music expert, but I'm a hobbyist singer with a good ear for spotting vocals and the voices of people, and I think the EKT singer sounds higher than the SG singer. It's either in a higher key or a different person with a close enough voice. Because the SG singer's high notes don't reach the same high pitched sound the EKT singer's do. Maybe if you pitched EKT down a bit it would match better? Since I've seen people claim it's the wrong pitch and too high.
I'm also convinced the EKT singer is female. The voice is too high to belong to a male, it's a severely distorted female voice. Or maybe a teenage boy's voice if it's male.
@@رزيئةlook up scritti politti. I’m convinced it’s them.
@@رزيئةit sounds like a young boy with a female backup singer to me
Oh boy, it was found
Fantastic theory
I'll eat my shoe if this is Savage Garden. It has maybe the slightest resemblance to them but the vocals are so different in small ways.
Better start seasoning that shoe just incase.
@@MikeHunt-zy3cnlol
I still think that Carl92 created this fragment himself just to troll with the people. They didn't use AI, it wasn't a demo of a different song he or someone else made. I think it's just this and nothing more. He created this as a prank, and it worked. He is inactive on the Carl92 account because he's either laughing at us and wants us to keep looking for something that doesn't exist, or because he feels guilty that it went so out of hand, he doesn't want to let us down, he doesn't want us to know that we've been looking for basically nothing.
Well Carl92 has a great singing voice
or he's working on a full version!
...
Good one, me. Fuck.
I think it's possible but unlikely. Listening to songs actually from the 80s and songs emulating that style today there's a clear difference in how they sound. Creating something that sounds authentically 80s is difficult, which doesn't necessarily rule out Carl92 faking the clip, but at least to me makes it very unlikely that he could've
Why would carl92 start a arg threw a website used to help people find out was a song is?
@@Jaxolp45 it's not an arg, he's just trolling us
Might I suggest it's by The Escape Club? They sound like this too, and they're from the 80s too
Post it on the subreddit!
@@luvpie111 I would if I used reddit, for some reason my current phone won't let me make a reddit account
Someone told me nobody has even tried asking artist who it may be or if it's them has anybody ever even tried asking labels if they know anything?
This is a crazy good lead! We're getting closer i feel it
I think the EKT got a much more whiny voice, but that could just be me.
its the AI vocal removal he used and it just made it more whiny. Listen to the OG sample and then savage garden there is NO DIFF
EKT sounds like a contralto to me not a tenor, you could be right
@@mht5875 perhaps, but keep in mind that the AI tool used on EKT changed the vocals to a more shouty and whiny voice overall. The pc microphone could have made the pitch of the song higher or lower as well, WE DO NOT KNOW. Savage garden is 90% EKT.
It crazy to know someone sing everybody's knows that, but the person maybe still alive or dead as we speak crazy but the two singers do sound similar.
Someone contacted him and he made a tweet that said "everyone knows that" before deleting it lol its on the video about the song by Blameitonjorge
I’m guessing the reason it may sound a bit different is because EKT was recorded from a tv back 1983-1999 (with speculation) which may explain why it sound a little more lower pitched
I’ve got no idea why, but when I first heard the song I found it quite similar to you are gold by Spandau Ballet. Just a theory
Probably a huge stretch, but I think it could be a Chinese singer or some country with huge restrictions on their people and that’s why it’s so obscure. This is probably really dumb though
The Singer just sounds like a 80s American WOMAN to me, Nothing else.
I tried matching it to Olivia Newton John but her Voice was softer than the EKT sample. I doubt the Poor Quality of the Record would change her Voice THAT much. But It definitely sounds like a Singer I’ve heard before.
Also No way in Hell, This was made after the 80s. It’s just too perfect for it to be anything else.
Imagine this song is actually made by a one hit wonder like the baracudas or somethin
Daren Hayes was born in 1972, making him in his late teens to early 20s at the LATEST when EKT was "recorded."
However, he did start auditoning in 1993, still making him around 20-21 years old. So.. perhaps...this.. is a demo?
Highly implausible in my opinion
Could it be an original track by his pre Savage Garden covers band Red Edge?
I was analyzing the two voices, for me they sounded identical, so i asked my mom, she sings pretty well and has a very good melody listening and she told me the voices are identical, so 90% this was some Savage Green unknown project.
Yeah. But whatever there's a new lead you had to contact the band that everyone said.
Sorry if i sound harsh, rude or even very critical-like but i was just saying that whatever there's a new lead about band behind it. You had to contact the members
My guesses are Climie Fisher, Times Two and Savage Garden. I believe Darren was asked and abruptly ended communication about it without revealing anything useful.
As a Darren Hayes fan I really want this to be true
You need to look into the band "Red Edge". Pre Saveage Graden, pre Bliss, pre Crush. But still Darren Hayes & Daniel Jones +++
Turns out it was two brothers named Chris and Phil Booth who recorded a ton of songs for use in various movies, and Ulterior Motives ended up being found in a pr0n movie.
The singer of everybody knows that sounds very similar to the band Katrina and the waves to me
someone needs to look into WHAM!'s unreleased/archived commercials from japan in the 80's
Listen to the songs written by American songwriting duo George Merrill and Shannon Rubicam. They performed themselves as "Boy Meets Girl". Some of their songs were massive hits for others. Their big hits sound like EKT. They may have been an influence.
This didn't age well
Don’t attack the guy for having wrong theories, this was made MONTHS ago
Her voice is similar to Lisa Stansfield too, listen to these commercials...
ruclips.net/video/FACFlyfRYPE/видео.htmlsi=Aswx05Oc7VWzqNm4
ruclips.net/video/CC1GAj7OqFw/видео.htmlsi=-riko_NTGSK-poPr
I recognize that radio in the image before the song now
Savage garden also created the windows xp welcome music, a thousand words
God i hope they find the full song
Nah, it's completely different timbres and even the accents are distinguishable.