Was the New York Knicks' Season a Success? | THE ODD COUPLE
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker discuss what to make of the New York Knicks season and whether or not we should call them a success.
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Do this exercise. Take away any team 2nd option, best interior defender, best perimeter 3D guy, & best scorer off the bench. Lets see how far they go.
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lol thank you. It’s crazy how context doesn’t matter for a lot of people discussing what happened to this team
YOu could have stopped at 2nd option and few teams would have gotten as far.
The nba is better off when big market teams like the Knicks are doing relatively well.
Rob Parker: "I didn't see Charles Oakley"😂
😂 Chris didn’t catch his joke
@@KingoftheSouth78because he got banned right ?
@@NikketmzeeYes
Like really he’s a hater
Rob had a personal vendetta against Doland and the Knicks.
Dolan
No, this was mediocre team that exceeded the standard, that’s all and that’s it. They end up losing in the second round every year.
@@davidsmith3268if that’s all you saw you don’t know basketball
@@daanswer01gaming34I know that if they played in the west they would have never made the playoffs. Every team in the east is mediocre
@@huh8896 we talking about if’s now lol 🤡
it is a bit shameful that a sports analyst will dismiss injuries. Context matters. Having several injured starters will make it almost impossible to beat a good team. This applies to every team. Which is why i thought it was crazy for ppl to blame KD for losing to the Bucks.
Nobody ever gives Lebron that excuse 🤷🏽
@@dadillonfulMan please! Anytime a team with LeBron on it wins "HE'S DA GOAT" or "it's all about LeBron, he's carrying a bunch of bums (Including Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love or Davis). But when a team with LeBron on it loses "LeBron needs more help", "LeBron is gettin held back by a bunch of bums". So LeBron always gets excuses. Don't even talk about if somebody gets hurt on his team.
@@dadillonfulthat’s because whenever he wins he’s the GOAT but when they lose, he don’t have enough help. If he was humble i honestly believe that as a leader if took more responsibility for why things went the way they did, we’d cut him some more slack
@@dadillonful thank you for letting us know where all this hate for the Knicks is coming from 😂 you salty ass Legroupies never prosper smfh
What was accomplished??
You have a real #1 player in Brunson and great core of role players, now you need just the right #2 to compliment him.
Yall should invite Antonio Daniels who tried to flip flop after Denver came back down 3-2 and was excited and wanted to take a credit saying Denver was gone come back. 😂 ask him what happened? Should’ve stayed to his original take
He also thought Lakers were gonna beat the nuggets last series 😂
And? Everyone gets it wrong at some point.
@@markwatkins4825then stand on it.
@@markwatkins4825 He tried to double dip and got the sauce off twice
Yea get him back on here 😂
The Knicks overachieved, they went as far as they can go with what they had, it was only a matter of time before reality set in, they were too banged up.
Coach Thibodeau needs to open up his rotation and spread the minutes out. Imo go to a solid 10 man lineup in the regular season for chemistry and rest. When the playoffs start your rotation is healthy. Coach feeds his main guys to the injury wolves. I'll call for a new gameplan before I call for a man's job. New York is championship caliber with a balanced rotation.
1 game short of ECF w/o 4 starters is a win.
As a reward you can now play the cavs in Cancun!
Excuses
@@isaiah5654where are you playing? fans are so negative. they over-performed this season. did you?
Lmao can’t wait when they give Brunson a max contract. Name a great player who creates win to championship that will come to the knuckles?
Who cares no moral victories no limp wristed explanations
It’s starting to really seem like these two just don’t watch games anymore.
Ask Rob how many teams that are down 4 starters would be able to get to a Game 7 in any round or regardless of seed? Thibs taking a hit for injuries that had nothing to do with over-playing guys. Don't most teams shrink their rotations in the playoffs?
Josh Hart was hurt, too, and was going to be at least compromised, if not just missing games. The Knicks had 7 players hurt/injured. That's half the team.
The Knicks had a nice team in the playoffs.
If I were to make a recommendation is: push all of the chips into the middle of the table on the team that played in the playoffs:
Give Brunson the long term deal
Re sign Anunoby for whatever it takes
Re sign Hartenstein for whatever if takes
You also have Hart and DeVincenzo as keepers as part of your core.
Everybody is expendable and, actually, you need to trade Randle and Robinson because they are both not only cluttering up the court, but the cap, as well.
I would trade those two plus Bogdanovich, who will, unfortunately, be a cap casualty for assets that the Brooklyn Nets want plus whatever future picks the Nets want in the Knicks draft stockpile and trade all of that for Mikhail Bridges.
Adding Bridges to the nucleus above plus adding by subtracting Randle and Robinson would make the Knicks legitimate title contenders moving forward. A young, talented team that plays the game the right way.
Brunson is such a great leader and we’re lucky to have him
its a good step towards their future ,if they can keep it moving forward.. and good on brunson, he said the right thing, he should feel that way..
Good step forward? They were in the second round last year
No idea why young players wouldnt wanna play for Thibs, you gotta put in the effort but all the dudes who play for him get PAID. Who looked better Josh Hart on the Lakers , Pelicans, Blazers or the Knicks? Somebody giving him a bag.
Seems like the Pacers picked the right day to shoot lights out. The Knicks played without their players the whole playoffs. They just got out shot on the wrong day.
I love when we can hear Rob G feed Rob and he says it wit so much conviction like he came up with it 😂
RIGHT 💀💀💀💀💀
Absolute success, NY is back
They dont need a “star” they need more role playing depth to complement og and brunson and hart to give them a break and not lose a step
its funny how when ma Sixers go home 2nd round its a failure and choke job but when the Knicks make it to 2nd round its a magical season 🤣💀💀
Because the sixers are considered a better team by far with superstars
context matters. the sixers had embiid, harden and maxey plus a much deeper role players/bench (when they made the second round). the knicks were without 4 starters.
People expect more from the sixers not the Knicks
2 different expectations my guy
You clearly don’t watch much basketball 😂
Everyone asks "well would this team make it this far without the coach?"
The fact is he hasn't shown that playing everybody 30+ minutes a night will win a championship. Dude hasn't even got to the Finals as a head coach with this formula
I would say they went as far as the average person thought they would go. Reaching the second round was a success, but they didn't overachieve or underachieve either.
Josh hart had a intercostal strain too. Barely could take any sort of impact. Once he was injured that was it. What a find in Donte tho. That’s a plus
I’m on the Knicks bandwagon!!! Left the Lakers! Hard working players and no excuses and pointing the finger! Brunson fan!!! Villanova Boys and Annouby!!! Love the team!
Last year we were a 5th seed. This year we won 50 games & were a 2nd seed
Coach Tipps is responsible for D-Rose (PRIME) years being cut short. No doubt.
I never understand Rob’s point of view on questions like this
We are not in the same spot as last yr. Yes we reached the same spot but you now have a top 5-10 player in the league and finished 2nd in the east. We beat Philly who was at full strength.
Wow Chris ! You’ve finally seen the light lol
Just rename thi show The Odd Single because it's Broussard talking and interrupting for 3 hours.
It’s not a success, Knicks lost at same stage as last season which is 2nd round.
How many of you would say Bucks season was success because they lost same stage as last season. Like Knicks they had injuries too🤷♂️🤷♂️
The bucks have been built..the knicks have literally made improvements each season, position, games win. How deep they have gone is all progress.
Coming into the season people picked the Knicks to be a play in team but they became the 2nd seed and then they said they'll lose in the 1st round but they won and now without 4 starters all of sudden their season isnt a success because they lost in a round that many said they wouldn't even make it too.and now they move the goal post because of their hatred for rhe Knicks.Let any team be without 4 atarters and let see how far they'll get.
@@jj47k.that was last year after they won they fluke series last year ppl had them a 3 seed this year
@@jj47k. Going into season teams rated ahead of them were bucks, Celtics 76ers and Heat. So how exactly were they gonna be a play in team? 5th at worst.
Espn been taking about them being ECF for months. Not saying team is trash and you gotta fire Thibs and trade players, but saying it’s success when you lost at same stage doesn’t make sense
Some people in media just got hate for the Knicks. Basically the entire starting 5 was down and they pushed it to 7 games in the 2nd rd still. If you ignore the injuries I can’t listen.
If it was the clippers or any of kd teams rob would be up here saying success even with the injuries lol ,
It was a successful season in that they overachieved but if they don’t have a good trade or free agency move in the offseason then it’s going to feel like a missed opportunity.
The NY hate is real, Indiana needed 7 games to beat a team without 2 NBA players and 3 other very solid players while they were healthy! N
Boston in 5 at worse
So the Knicks have had the most injuries of any team in these playoffs....and STILL nobody counted them out to win.....but yet Jalen Brunson isn't a superstar and the Knicks are just masquerading as a championship team?? 🤔???
I would say make it make sense but we're past that unfortunately🤦🏾
Everybody knew the Knicks overperformed and this season is still a win for them. And they have a valid excuse. 4 starters injured. Thats a big loss. Like when the heat's 3 starters got injured in the 2020 finals.
Eye agree with Rob on this one.
Knicks played great all season! Villanova Wildknicks we’re cooking 🥘 injuries are apart of the game, they happen, they have nowhere else to go but up 🆙
This had a 9 man rotation til the injuries so of course the starters getting more minutes
Cavs had injuries too but nobody gave them an excuse
Clearly a successful season , finally there is a REASON for other players to come to Ny and to move on from Randle, yes no doubt , we got everything and more the front office also. ROB & Chris never expected a 50 win Season anyway
No, Tom Thibodeau created an overachieving team by stressing the hell out of their muscles, joints, and tendons to the degree that they couldn't advance past the 2nd round of the Playoffs despite being the #2 seed in the East. Too much playing time leads to injuries...overuse or otherwise, the more a player is exposed to the court, the more likely they'll be injured. Someone needs to manage Thibs.
Exactly
the way our guys got injured was not Thibs fault
@@Grimmes12keep believing that and keep being a second round merchant. The rest of the East appreciates it.
@@isaiah5654 Brunson breaking his hand, Randle dislocating his shoulder, Bogdo twisting his ankle, Embiid pulling on Robinsons leg had nothing to do with Thibs
It’s Tom’s secret recipe of disaster I understand some of these injuries are not his fault and plain fluke, but it does not hide the fact that this man run players to the ground that does not help either and it Increases the rate of being injured on the floor
I would say it was more disappointing than anything, because of the injuries. Without all the injuries I think they beat the Pacers.
The problem of Thibs is he doesn't use he bench well in Chicago he have a great team what happens he exploited Pau Gasol and in the playoffs he run out of gas playing 45 minutes a game in the season at 38 and 39 years old to much for a big men and with Rose was he was a number one seed he was winning against a 8 seed and Rose injured his knee and they were winning by 15 with 2 minutes of that game and Rose never was the same
Knicks arent a championship or bust organization, its a win
I'm from NY and I'm not a Knicks fan but if they was healthy I think they could have beat Boston
We gave away our 2 best building pieces to Toronto for their scraps, and still got no further than last year....yeah, great season 👍👏👌😂😂
Og anunoby is FAR FROM SCRAPS, with him they were one of the best teams in the playoffs this year. Acting like any other team could succeed losing their 2 and 3 best player. Hart got hurt, Mitch got hurt, bogdonocuch got hurt, ALL IN PLAYOFFS. What are you talking about dog
@@WarrenFranceSportsNetwork I'm talking about what happened in reality. Every team gets injured, no excuses. Maybe we should have kept our depth (our strength) instead of putting all our eggs in the Brunson basket in a year that Boston ran away with the East. Injuries wouldn't have affected us so much. Also we have a horrible coach but that's a different topic.
OG is a career 12 point per game scorer. The way the roster was misconstrued from the start....with 3 LEFTY ball dominant players....was a problem. I argue that ANY off the ball, 3 and D type would have slid in perfectly alongside Brunson, but 3 lefties was insane. The move was addition by subtraction. There is only 1 ball. It should have been Randle and Quickly (which I'd rather have kept Quickly anyway) but Toronto GM is not a moron. He fleeced us. Look what the Pacers gave up for Siakim. We gave up our 2 best young guys 😆🤣. It's a joke.
Randle should have been gone years ago. Also Robinson. All my opinion for years.
@@WarrenFranceSportsNetwork I had Pacers in 6 BECAUSE of our lack of depth and them having a lot of good players. People just don't watch the games and understand that there are good players on every team....not just NY 😆
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Yes a success a shot in the dark , but new basketball isn't like old basketball ,no guarantees like the old days bc everyone is skilled enough to have a chance
Rob Parker sticking to his anti-Knick narrative. I was waiting for a reasonable rebuttal to all of Broussard's points, but heard nothing
Ron seriously wake up everyone in this league is injured look at Holabird. He’s playing with an injury and his coach is forcing him to go 100 miles an hour back-and-forth up in court is that the coaches fault Murray is got injury. You gonna blame the coach…. There’s less contact than there were in the 90s come on Ron wake up.
The odd infatuation with "European" players is odd. Luka plays like Harden. Giannis is 1 of 1 and doesn't play like any other Euro. There is only one Jokic for all the Zubacs, Nurkics who are just bodies. And Embiid (African) gets conveniently omitted from the conversation. This is folks who have an axe to grind with - lets call a spade a spade - "black"/black American basketball and can conveniently blame AAU.
Except... AAU gave us Chris Paul, Lebron, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry basically some of the most fundamentally sound basketball players ever. It's currently giving us Anthony Edwards, Jalen Brunson, and Tyrese Haliburton. Edwards just knocked out Joker if you're keeping score. Broussard, you literally just made a non-point with the Ball brothers.... one family got TWO children in the NBA a few years apart, and that is some sort of black mark because they got injured? It literally is an success story of astronomic odds.
The whole thing is dumb and anybody who flows with it is dumb.
OG stands for OH GOD!....bc every time I see him move he looks like an injury waiting to happen. Don't blame Tibbs bc OG is reckless as f on a fast break exhibiting zero body control......UNLIKE RJ BARRETT, who knows how to slow down and use his body and a pump fake to finish around the rim. I will always hate the Knicks for that trade.
Wayyy better than Melo's Knicks and they glorify Melo over there
It was same as last season 😂😂 only difference is knicks lost in 7 last year they lost in 6.. same round
What steps? Knicks went to the 2nd rd with a depleted roster. Imagine them healthy. Rob really a Knicks hater.
It's not Bogdan, it's Bojan!! Bogdan Bogdanovic is playing for the Hawks.
He reminds me of Isaiah Thomas from Boston
The knicks pulled within 10 pts and then Brunson broke his hand. Just sayin
Was a little closer 6 or 7. Those two inbounds turnovers were cuz Brunson broke his hand and didn’t wanna come get the ball
Knicks fans might be worse than cowboy fans these guys really want a participation trophy for finishing 3rd in the East
Man rob Parker man you are tripping and really pissing me off with your ridiculous take . Rob your full of it
Yes
Rob just feels like despite the injuries you still had your best player on the floor
And he was playing hurt also (foot, hand). Rob is just a Knicks hater, and Chris is also.
They are like the cowboys where they are the most popular but can’t ever reach the final 4. The be relevant you have to at least get there
Rob don’t know wtf he’s talking about
Gawd most niggas in this chat dont!!! Lml
Rob is such a Knick hater. Dude our starters are out man.. yea we wasn't talking about injuries because we overachieving and the injuries caught up to us. OG ? MITCH ? BOGEY ? Randle ? Missing over 50 points, over 25 rebounds, over 7 assists, over 3 blocks
And oh by the way minutes to relief others ...
Chris is another New York apologist. He said during the first round I quote, “Rob, the Knicks are going to the conference finals. They can beat Indiana!” These shows need to calm down with the “expert” title.
That was before they lost OG Anunoby. Knicks went to 7 with Brunson and their literal backups
@@tjleaf3510 they still lost. If Embid was healthy the Knicks would be a fraudulent 2 seed getting beat in the 1st round.
@@RatedM05the Knicks were also missing Randle in that series and Mitch was hobbled. The Knicks beat a healthy Embid by almost 40 in Philly this year when the sixers were rolling. They were a better team
@@RatedM05you night so delusional lmao
@@keysersoze3962 like Bucks fans said, “the playoffs are a different monster.” When they dismissed the Pacers after they beat them 4-1 in the regular season/in season tournament.
Of course, these weak and entitled players don't want to play for an old-school coach who demands excellence, hard work, defense, and maintains a consistent practice schedule.
He's a blue-collar coach in a league with 80% or more prima donnas.
Facts guys are getting hurt now with more advanced health care vs back in the day
CB wants a excuse Rob is right CB always follows the crowd...knicks season was not a success they lost in 2nd round last two years. Wats a success u can say the future looks bright but season not successful
Rob will complain that NBA players dont take the regular season serious & a team goes from the 5th seed to the 2nd seed & he totally disregards that as progresss 🤣🤣🤣. These media heads dont even believe their own narratives.
How it’s a progress wen they still went home in the second round again 😂😂cavs Wolves okc pacers hell even the magic they all had Successful season
Really nobody think much about the knicks nationally but yall are a national show and yall have been talking about them for weeks smh and other nationally shows talk about them as well
C’mon Rob. You’re being real petty.
If they got to the ECF iwould say it was a successful season. Rob said it best. They didn't get any further than last year. This Knicks team not even better than the 201e Melo team, so idk why they are acting like they almost won thr chip
We don’t want Paul George!! We want Demar Derozan!!
How about neither! We need size. If we got either of them, it will cut out time for Hart, Divencio(spelling) or Mcbride. Trade Randle for a ball moving four who can create his own shot.
Hell no.
@@dariusthegreat3097 Derozan is 6’8 & has played full time PF in SA. That wouldn’t be his role in any but he would be a great release valve for OG considering his injury problems. Not to mention he fits Knick DNA. If we move Bojan contract we’ll have the money to sign him!
@@SmittyWitTheVibes Derozan is 6'5 barefoot! He is nowhere near 6'8. Adding yet another guard will take away from the Nova crew as well as Mcbride. The last thing we need is another guard but a frontline player.
@@dariusthegreat3097 Even if that’s true They play the game in sneakers brother. & the Nova crew does not play the same role Derozan would play. He’s a legit second option that we can run actions out of if Jalen or Randle doesn’t have the matchup that night. He’s a floor raiser that wouldn’t take away from what we do.
Things to be encouraged by? Of course. Was it a successful season? No, only one successful season each year in the NBA.
Rob sounds bitter? this is a bit sad to watch him be so hard on a team that gave their all... Tell us why you are mad Rob Parker?
Paul George is the last player I’m going to get in free agency
Rob is trying to do they old media knicks hate tactic by bringing up Oakley,
With a healthy squad Knicks definitely a 2 seed
How many knicks games have these blokes watched? Not many.
Rob be pissing me off.
You will never win a title with Thibs. Stars won't play for him and the talent he has he wears out. Luol Deng.
QUIT MAKING EXCUSES FOR THE KNICKS
Knicks intentionally lost, so they can lose in the ECF next year w/ Randle and use him as the scapegoat for why they can’t make the Finals…I see the agenda
Best Sports Duo! The Goats.
dam
Harper is such a hater
TOM THIBODEAU IS TREATED LIKE HE IS BILL BELLICHECK WND HE AINT NEVER COACHED A TEAN TO THE NBA FINALS
He won a ring with the Celtics as the lead assistant coach and basically their defensive coordinator. You think Doc Rivers deserves all the credit for that ring? 🤣
@@conorwatchvidz IF HE IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN DIC RIVERS THEN WHY HAS HE FAILED TO GET A TEAM HE IS THE HEAD COACJ IF TO THE NBA FINALS? HE HAD AN MCP DERRRICK ROSE
The NBA and Sports will be better off once Rob “Biased Analogy” Parker aka “Corny Baseball” Rob has left the earth. HAHA!!!! 😂😂😂
Thibodeau is Larry Brown.
I didn't watch the Knicks. They are not gonna win. Period. They are the clippers of the east😂
Maybe the players shouldn’t be so damn soft the reason they get hurt because they don’t wanna work hard
Say you didn’t watch Knicks all year without saying it: they literally had every single player
No this was not a successful season. They lost in the second round last year and haven’t been to a conference finals in over two decades. Yes they had injuries, but what stopped them from winning games 3,4 and 6?
Their second best player got injured means nothing huh?
Rob is acting so ignorant in his take if any other team lost the amount of players the Knicks have lost. They put a damper on things They lost the series you don’t think this team took a step. You wasn’t paying attention if you didn’t see them. Stop disrespecting Julius Randall. He demands a double team. Brunson would’ve got shots. Scoring numbers would’ve came down some, but he would’ve got shots. Randall had Brunson get shots. Had everybody on the team get shots at times to knowledge the injuries for real shows you what a lame ass analyst is.
Do everyone a favor and dont talk knicks good or bad cause its always horrible takes... Especially Rob
Pretty sure if that was Lebron James he would’ve claimed he was lucky to face an injured team even if it was only the 8th man that was hurt
No doubt about it
Rob Parker is a hater he can't help himself
The Knicks season was predictable..