I'm so happy and proud of my NA bois. Thank you so much Bwipo, Inspired, Quad, Massu, Busio and supporting staff. Keep doing your thing and please keep together and push the region forward.
@@nartin9 They went 2-3 when everyone thought they would get 0-3'd. They got to match point first against one of the best eastern teams, that is anything but mediocrity. Mediocre would have been not even making it far in swiss, NA hasn't gotten this far in forever, why shouldn't everyone be happy even if it was a loss
@@FGC_Jules I DON'T CARE ABOUT EXPECTATIONS. We need to exepct our teams to do better especially when they shown they have a chance to win worlds. I would not care at all if fly got steam rolled it be easier to say west just sucks.
Love the vibe around this series, rather than flaming the boys everyone is just proud on the grit they showed. Yes the solo lanes in G5 were unfortunate but still FLY made it a heck of a spectacle
@@seanziesman602 They drafted Kalista because inspired was spellbook fiddle. He had no smite for most of the game. The bigger problem was Sett. It's giga useless.
@@seanziesman602 you are missing my point. They needed Kalista to use rend instead of smite. It was correct to draft Kalista. But they should have drafted an adc in top or mid. Adc mid and jarvan top would have been better. Sett had no value other than ult but it's awkward.
The kassadin pick was actually a Nunu counterpick, cancel ult with q (12:42), tank ori/nunu damage with shield and hp itemisation, and dodge cc with r. Really good counterpick.
really bad pairing with nidalee but insane counter to the mid jg duo yeah. Because it was Canyon’s nida and Fly made some over confident mistakes, it worked pretty well
Bro honestly this will probably be the game of the whole event, I doubt even finals will be this hype. Fly showed up big time and they should be super proud of their performance. Honestly just seemed like first-time big-stage nerves for them on many of the plays, like when Quad missed that Ori shockwave or Massu auto'd the blast cone after flashing the wall. They got this first game under their belt and I hope they come back for more. 🙏🙏🙏🙏 so hard that they stay together and don't change roster, they have something special here. Also Bwipo is now banned from picking Renekton and Sett. It's time to stop, no more.
The excitement during FLY wins were so unreal heart was pumping like a freak I can only imagine the players, FLYQUEST RENEWING HOPE FOR THE WEST, amazing series FLY HIGH FLY
I like how everyone is forgetting kassadin q actually disrupte channeling spell. Inspired doesn’t choke and end his ult early g2, Chovy just q him. Or do people just thought after riot cancel the q silence, it would only give shield now?
Really loved this clipped vod. Absolutely perfect for catching back up on some things. With most Worlds games from 8am-12 EST I can’t 100% focus with your streams on a separate screen. This is perfect.
Other western teams need to start listening to this genius. Only FLY using his tierlist as power level of champions and look what happened to FLY? They did so well against Gen.G
B4 Alternative for 5th game is Zac. 1. Super tanky and has lots of sustain against DOT damage of enemy comp 2. Lanes fairly well against rumble 3. Disrupts teamfight in a way that is complimental to the overall comp theme allowing for Yone and Fiddle to have way more room to interract properly with enemy backline
Everyone keeps saying other people are better, that LS has a bias but no one explains the nuances as good as LS. Especially during champ select/ban phase or macro priority and why. I don't watch the stream so I wish they didn't skip the pick/ban phase so much.
I feel like Dom is really good at reading drafts/games. He usually calls a lot of stuff right before it’s about to happen. As long as he’s streaming solo that is. I’m biased as a big time fan but I’d recommend giving him a shot:)
@@clydiepie Never heard of him so I just watched his take on this series. There is a clear game knowledge gap between them. One thing LS does is not only call out bad plays but goes back and explains why and how it could have been better. An example would be Canyon Skarner R over the wall. That wasn't even called out in the other vid. He also agreed to take baron over soul despite being less priority. He doesn't explain why Sett was bad just that he gets kited easily. He didn't figure out the Fiddle pick before it was picked. He also wanted Kallista with it even though we know it was bad. He started chanting Bwipo while not really saying what exactly he did to cheer him. Just a few highlights and examples. I don't want to write an essay. Now I am not saying he is bad. I am sure some people prefer his method.
@@fallinggravity9964 I actually prefer LS's take on this series as well, but Dom has some amazing commentary on other games, he often notices things/plays that no one else does, he has very good knowledge of all regions (as an LPL fan that's a big positive for me) and he knows what players are good at what champions. Him and LS have different opinions on the value of scaling/early game/comfort picks/practice. I really like that LS often finds picks and angles that no one else does, but sometimes I prefer Dom's more realistic approach, where he evaluates what picks have looked good on which players, what they have practiced, what the opponent team will realistically play (important for bans) and often times he has a good read on what a team will pick/ban and predicts it well, but is also more prepared and in the moment calls what should have been better, including the fact that team has shown the pick before. Sorry for the long essay, but I wanted to argue that it's worth it to watch both LS and IWD depending on the series.
It really would be cool to have a drafting video about this years worlds. Maybe going over some western teams draft vs lck/lpl in regard of your own tier list!
The thing I loved the most was that regardless of your favorite team or region you represent, it seemed like we all wanted NA/flyquest to win😂😂hats off to FLY for a banger!
im really proud of what they did and how they performed specially in this series but how can you go into game 5 and think that pairing yone and fiddle with kalista sett is a good idea dx cmon we know they're smarter than this we saw it in this same series how they drafted before why did they decide to go smorc with fiddle in it doesnt make sense
Not gonna lie, I could listen to you talk about draft concepts all day. I don't think your goal with this stuff should be to convince everyone that you're right. You know your stuff, it doesn't matter if a bunch of metal league players agree with you.
warwick is not full ad btw, his passive is magic damage his Q is magic damage his R is magic damage it translates to 20-30% ap damage in teamfights, but it still doesnt matter since they cant go mr items
West NA looks better but be honest they didn’t beat any of the good teams, taking games is fine but not winning series. Also we only made top 8 because we beat bad teams and than got a N.A. vs NA for top 8. I wish we would have gotten more na vs eu.
Both teams adapted well I think. For example LCK/LPL seem to lose to EU/NA Skarners, so they started banning/picking it away (banned G3, first pick G4, traded for yone G5)
Hey LS, as a Sett main, I would like to know what you would do to buff him? I think what makes him feel bad is that all he can do is just run at people with stridebreaker and even then it's not that great plus he is reliant on the enemy picking tanks for you to target with your ult. At most you can hope for a good ult flank tp onto the enemy carry. He's fun to play, but every time, I feel like he just needs several buffs to feel great when I play him. I feel like moving power away from Haymaker towards his other abilities (mainly Knuckle Down) would help a lot, plus also reverting hp regen nerfs would help the most.
I'm no pro but at least from experience and game knowledge, the thing with sett is the same issue as renekton, they're just fundamentally bad. If you want buffs then maybe more movement speed as some sort of passive when using an ability. Just something that gives him an advantage on the entire "I'll run into your face" concept. In reality he's just a single themed, very restricting champ. Once he gets picked it's like such a liability to his team because he locks the entire team theme into just hard engage, etc. Etc
As soon as they balanced the champion to need copious amounts of AD to do damage past his early game the champ went to shit in my opinion. If they reverted that atleast he wouldnt need 3-4 items to do damage and could be a psudo tank.
@@eduj8086Renekton is not "fundamentally bad". Even LS, who historically has hated Renekton, considers him an extremely viable pick nowadays since the post-durability patch buffs.
Mord is also what comes up in my head .I saw someone suggested malphite which is a great choice too. I don’t think Ornn is that good, geng g comp can burn ornn down pretty fast imo
Wouldn't rengar top in game 5 have been good? Rengar vs rumble is whatever... I don't know if KR is super familiar with the rengar top cheese, but if they're not then he could make-up for the skill difference vs Kiin, otherwise you just play the lane til 6 and then make the game a little chaotic with lane swaps to give rengar an opportunity to find a pick. But the value of the pick would be on two items, rengar can pretty much ensure that smolder NEVER enters a sidelane alone/un-escorted, and he can mostly ignore the skarner to hop onto chovy in teamfights. Bwipo's entire job would be to essentially negate chovy's biggest strength in his sidelaning, as well as delete smolder as a threat in teamfights.
that sett rant is amazing. bwipo was either very unlucky or slacking this series. renekton wasn't relevant at any point in either game. It really seems like any other top laner would have done better and had a chance on game 2 and 4.
T1 Gryffinn, he is under 18 and NA born, challenger jungler, LS recommended him if he wants to go pro, to go korea, and LS helped Gryffinn to get T1 to let him try out, Gryffinn failed first time, someone got him to let him try out for a second time and passed, T1 Gryffinn is in Tier 3 T1 team with another korean jungler so they take turns
T1 Gryffinn, he is under 18 and NA born, challenger jungler, LS recommended him if he wants to go pro, to go korea, and LS helped Gryffinn to get T1 to let him try out, Gryffinn failed first time, someone got him to let him try out for a second time and passed, T1 Gryffinn is in Tier 3 T1 team with another korean jungler so they take turns
would NOT pick ww here but I would pick him over sett forsure! ww does NOTHING to skarner its sad and I think they wanted sett upt to just throw skarners HP bar at smolder and then E combo smolder but that wasnt so great. in a vaccum rumble should never ever let ww touch him. ww can probably weather the flame thrower in lane with his sustain and ww has some good MR items he can build but ranged ways to turn off ww's blood scent just hurts too much. WW Q should never ever connect and rumbles E is yatzee. equalizer at the begining of a fight has more value than ww ult at the begining. but ww ult is good follow up mid fights after skarner goes in or fid and yone go in. Love the orn and mord ideas. orn is so good and free here. chgath top also great here or like cho senna bot.
A lot of people wonder what's going on w/ the bets and I mention it so rarely that no I won't stop talking about it. Also get ready for when betting comes to LoL esports teams (because it was supposed to happen this year but I believe Saudi cup delayed it, but who knows) and it will be everywhere.
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I'm so happy and proud of my NA bois. Thank you so much Bwipo, Inspired, Quad, Massu, Busio and supporting staff. Keep doing your thing and please keep together and push the region forward.
Don't be happy about mediocrity. They lost.
@@nartin9 dogshit bait brother, do better
@@nartin9your whole region has been satisfied in mediocrity since 2017
@@nartin9 They went 2-3 when everyone thought they would get 0-3'd. They got to match point first against one of the best eastern teams, that is anything but mediocrity. Mediocre would have been not even making it far in swiss, NA hasn't gotten this far in forever, why shouldn't everyone be happy even if it was a loss
@@FGC_Jules I DON'T CARE ABOUT EXPECTATIONS. We need to exepct our teams to do better especially when they shown they have a chance to win worlds. I would not care at all if fly got steam rolled it be easier to say west just sucks.
Love the vibe around this series, rather than flaming the boys everyone is just proud on the grit they showed. Yes the solo lanes in G5 were unfortunate but still FLY made it a heck of a spectacle
honestly im so proud of this lineup. it was such a good series
Imagine if they draft massau Kai sa game 5 instead of fcking Kalista….
@@seanziesman602
They drafted Kalista because inspired was spellbook fiddle. He had no smite for most of the game. The bigger problem was Sett. It's giga useless.
@@Spojo1 they had plenty of ad tho. Kai sa would have given massau a better chance to carry and put team fight geng
@@seanziesman602 you are missing my point. They needed Kalista to use rend instead of smite. It was correct to draft Kalista. But they should have drafted an adc in top or mid. Adc mid and jarvan top would have been better. Sett had no value other than ult but it's awkward.
Proud to be losers xD
12:42 nunu cant actually hold R longer here. chovy saved his q for nunu ult so it cancelled instantly
Damn I forgot his Q did that nice call out there
The kassadin pick was actually a Nunu counterpick, cancel ult with q (12:42), tank ori/nunu damage with shield and hp itemisation, and dodge cc with r. Really good counterpick.
lmao u cant be serious with this take
kassadin still has silence on q ? :D
@@prod.robinovski109no but for some reason his q still cancels channels found this out play asol vs him it was rough
really bad pairing with nidalee but insane counter to the mid jg duo yeah. Because it was Canyon’s nida and Fly made some over confident mistakes, it worked pretty well
@@infiniteearth6996 wym no? yes he has
Bro honestly this will probably be the game of the whole event, I doubt even finals will be this hype. Fly showed up big time and they should be super proud of their performance. Honestly just seemed like first-time big-stage nerves for them on many of the plays, like when Quad missed that Ori shockwave or Massu auto'd the blast cone after flashing the wall. They got this first game under their belt and I hope they come back for more. 🙏🙏🙏🙏 so hard that they stay together and don't change roster, they have something special here.
Also Bwipo is now banned from picking Renekton and Sett. It's time to stop, no more.
Not mine, but I understand. I think semis will be more hype and then the finals. But yeah, I understand 'cause you're a fan of fly.
@@SoloKatOnlylet me guess, t1 fan?
@@zenbozic6184yea so what?
The excitement during FLY wins were so unreal heart was pumping like a freak I can only imagine the players, FLYQUEST RENEWING HOPE FOR THE WEST, amazing series FLY HIGH FLY
I am so fucking happy to finally see an NA team play with that underdog "fuck it, let's throw the kitchen sink at the enemy" mentality.
The east may create and perfect the modern meta, but nobody oogabooga's like NA does.
I like how everyone is forgetting kassadin q actually disrupte channeling spell. Inspired doesn’t choke and end his ult early g2, Chovy just q him.
Or do people just thought after riot cancel the q silence, it would only give shield now?
Massu is a rookie playing like a hardened veteran so proud.
Really loved this clipped vod. Absolutely perfect for catching back up on some things. With most Worlds games from 8am-12 EST I can’t 100% focus with your streams on a separate screen. This is perfect.
best part is when ls breaks the sound barrier at 29:31 when bwipo flips peyz
I'm ngl, LS drafts and min maxxing are the only way the west will ever beat the east.
Other western teams need to start listening to this genius. Only FLY using his tierlist as power level of champions and look what happened to FLY? They did so well against Gen.G
12:41 I'm pretty sure inspired didn't cancel the channel here, Chovy just interrupted it with his q.
They fought hard! Be Proud!
it was refreshing to see the champs in this series. ^^
12:40 he didnt cancel his ult. kass Q cancels channel abilities that is why chovy saved it.
Super exciting games man, I'm really hoping to see FLY improve for maybe a run next year!
29:30 Bwipo even flipped the mic switch it's so craaaaazy
It’s a sad one, but we should all be very happy with Fly. They did great.
B4 Alternative for 5th game is Zac.
1. Super tanky and has lots of sustain against DOT damage of enemy comp
2. Lanes fairly well against rumble
3. Disrupts teamfight in a way that is complimental to the overall comp theme allowing for Yone and Fiddle to have way more room to interract properly with enemy backline
Everyone keeps saying other people are better, that LS has a bias but no one explains the nuances as good as LS.
Especially during champ select/ban phase or macro priority and why.
I don't watch the stream so I wish they didn't skip the pick/ban phase so much.
Watch Caedrel and experience the greener grass
I feel like Dom is really good at reading drafts/games. He usually calls a lot of stuff right before it’s about to happen. As long as he’s streaming solo that is. I’m biased as a big time fan but I’d recommend giving him a shot:)
@@clydiepie
Never heard of him so I just watched his take on this series. There is a clear game knowledge gap between them.
One thing LS does is not only call out bad plays but goes back and explains why and how it could have been better.
An example would be Canyon Skarner R over the wall. That wasn't even called out in the other vid.
He also agreed to take baron over soul despite being less priority.
He doesn't explain why Sett was bad just that he gets kited easily.
He didn't figure out the Fiddle pick before it was picked. He also wanted Kallista with it even though we know it was bad.
He started chanting Bwipo while not really saying what exactly he did to cheer him.
Just a few highlights and examples. I don't want to write an essay.
Now I am not saying he is bad. I am sure some people prefer his method.
@@fallinggravity9964 I actually prefer LS's take on this series as well, but Dom has some amazing commentary on other games, he often notices things/plays that no one else does, he has very good knowledge of all regions (as an LPL fan that's a big positive for me) and he knows what players are good at what champions. Him and LS have different opinions on the value of scaling/early game/comfort picks/practice. I really like that LS often finds picks and angles that no one else does, but sometimes I prefer Dom's more realistic approach, where he evaluates what picks have looked good on which players, what they have practiced, what the opponent team will realistically play (important for bans) and often times he has a good read on what a team will pick/ban and predicts it well, but is also more prepared and in the moment calls what should have been better, including the fact that team has shown the pick before. Sorry for the long essay, but I wanted to argue that it's worth it to watch both LS and IWD depending on the series.
This FLY team is still locked in for the next season. We stay hopeful boys!
Great analysis at the end
AMAZING. Hope they can improve even more in the future.
Such an amazing series. It could have gone either way.
It really would be cool to have a drafting video about this years worlds. Maybe going over some western teams draft vs lck/lpl in regard of your own tier list!
Off the balcony, metapod without harden omfg lmao
we need you coaching this team next year. no cap
The thing I loved the most was that regardless of your favorite team or region you represent, it seemed like we all wanted NA/flyquest to win😂😂hats off to FLY for a banger!
im really proud of what they did and how they performed specially in this series but how can you go into game 5 and think that pairing yone and fiddle with kalista sett is a good idea dx cmon we know they're smarter than this we saw it in this same series how they drafted before why did they decide to go smorc with fiddle in it doesnt make sense
Not gonna lie, I could listen to you talk about draft concepts all day. I don't think your goal with this stuff should be to convince everyone that you're right. You know your stuff, it doesn't matter if a bunch of metal league players agree with you.
i'm excited to watch your next game Flyquest keep perfecting!
This series feels like the punchline of a boys with a time machine joke
warwick is not full ad btw, his passive is magic damage his Q is magic damage his R is magic damage it translates to 20-30% ap damage in teamfights, but it still doesnt matter since they cant go mr items
I was rooting for flyquest so hard. Their drafts were amazing and unpredictable. Most entertaining team to watch.
FlyQuest is the best Western team. Better than G2 and has come a long way in showing us what it is to draft something strong from the eastern “meta”
West NA looks better but be honest they didn’t beat any of the good teams, taking games is fine but not winning series. Also we only made top 8 because we beat bad teams and than got a N.A. vs NA for top 8. I wish we would have gotten more na vs eu.
Both teams adapted well I think. For example LCK/LPL seem to lose to EU/NA Skarners, so they started banning/picking it away (banned G3, first pick G4, traded for yone G5)
I think Skarner is just a pick/ban for every team at worlds regardless of region.
1:00:32 Isn't this also a really good Milio spot Since all the enemy team has is poke and a Skarner.
Hey LS, as a Sett main, I would like to know what you would do to buff him? I think what makes him feel bad is that all he can do is just run at people with stridebreaker and even then it's not that great plus he is reliant on the enemy picking tanks for you to target with your ult. At most you can hope for a good ult flank tp onto the enemy carry. He's fun to play, but every time, I feel like he just needs several buffs to feel great when I play him. I feel like moving power away from Haymaker towards his other abilities (mainly Knuckle Down) would help a lot, plus also reverting hp regen nerfs would help the most.
I'm no pro but at least from experience and game knowledge, the thing with sett is the same issue as renekton, they're just fundamentally bad. If you want buffs then maybe more movement speed as some sort of passive when using an ability. Just something that gives him an advantage on the entire "I'll run into your face" concept. In reality he's just a single themed, very restricting champ. Once he gets picked it's like such a liability to his team because he locks the entire team theme into just hard engage, etc. Etc
As soon as they balanced the champion to need copious amounts of AD to do damage past his early game the champ went to shit in my opinion. If they reverted that atleast he wouldnt need 3-4 items to do damage and could be a psudo tank.
@@eduj8086Renekton is not "fundamentally bad". Even LS, who historically has hated Renekton, considers him an extremely viable pick nowadays since the post-durability patch buffs.
i think the champ is just unplayable due to powercreep, u can't deal with so much mobility and range
I think kennan would also have been a great pickup top for fly. Yone bait into kennan ult into fiddle ult
Mord is also what comes up in my head .I saw someone suggested malphite which is a great choice too. I don’t think Ornn is that good, geng g comp can burn ornn down pretty fast imo
54:00 renata with kalista is a must of pick anything outside of kalista imo
whos the person at the desk with you? dudes hilarious and knowledgable
People keep on forgetting kass q cancels channel abilities
Wouldn't rengar top in game 5 have been good? Rengar vs rumble is whatever... I don't know if KR is super familiar with the rengar top cheese, but if they're not then he could make-up for the skill difference vs Kiin, otherwise you just play the lane til 6 and then make the game a little chaotic with lane swaps to give rengar an opportunity to find a pick. But the value of the pick would be on two items, rengar can pretty much ensure that smolder NEVER enters a sidelane alone/un-escorted, and he can mostly ignore the skarner to hop onto chovy in teamfights. Bwipo's entire job would be to essentially negate chovy's biggest strength in his sidelaning, as well as delete smolder as a threat in teamfights.
I love flyquest
that sett rant is amazing.
bwipo was either very unlucky or slacking this series. renekton wasn't relevant at any point in either game. It really seems like any other top laner would have done better and had a chance on game 2 and 4.
For moments they were like : "NA???! WTF?!!"
27:43 they didn't cancel TP for your information.
loved 13minute aftergame thoughts
Some drafts seem to make too much difference in-game, relative to how little innovation teams seem willing to take.
LMFAO not the Twink Hunter Kassadin
9:43 Don't put grandma out there like that😔😔
LETS GO NAAAAAAAAA
Im really sad Bwipo refused to play Olaf.
Doesnt Chovy have the racism Kassadin skin on?
who is this guy co-casting with u? i never know the guests
T1 Gryffinn, he is under 18 and NA born, challenger jungler, LS recommended him if he wants to go pro, to go korea, and LS helped Gryffinn to get T1 to let him try out, Gryffinn failed first time, someone got him to let him try out for a second time and passed, T1 Gryffinn is in Tier 3 T1 team with another korean jungler so they take turns
@@biveofhaloTier 3 or Tier 2?
@@GoldenStorm-gs7lx said tier 3
Who is the other guy
T1 Gryffinn, he is under 18 and NA born, challenger jungler, LS recommended him if he wants to go pro, to go korea, and LS helped Gryffinn to get T1 to let him try out, Gryffinn failed first time, someone got him to let him try out for a second time and passed, T1 Gryffinn is in Tier 3 T1 team with another korean jungler so they take turns
@@biveofhalo NO. T1???? T1 should be for Korean only
man eu lost so muchc without inspired
would NOT pick ww here but I would pick him over sett forsure! ww does NOTHING to skarner its sad and I think they wanted sett upt to just throw skarners HP bar at smolder and then E combo smolder but that wasnt so great. in a vaccum rumble should never ever let ww touch him. ww can probably weather the flame thrower in lane with his sustain and ww has some good MR items he can build but ranged ways to turn off ww's blood scent just hurts too much. WW Q should never ever connect and rumbles E is yatzee. equalizer at the begining of a fight has more value than ww ult at the begining. but ww ult is good follow up mid fights after skarner goes in or fid and yone go in. Love the orn and mord ideas. orn is so good and free here. chgath top also great here or like cho senna bot.
Does ls stream bro I don’t see him stream these live?
Yeah on Twitch.
Bwipo giveth, Bwipo taketh away with some picks man xD
Ornn Taric mannnn
They commenting the face of the players, while their faces cover the face of the players. Bad job, Mr. editor
should have went mundo game 5
Hey LS it's Akiva, ur my papi
Such a shame they picked Kalista, that champ is hot shit
Just a reminder that Renekton lost every game in this series!
NA>EU easy
Please get back to coaching
Amazing series out from FLY, but I swear to god if I see Renekton locked in at Worlds one more time I am going to have a fucking aneurysm
Please shut up about the betting Jesus
A lot of people wonder what's going on w/ the bets and I mention it so rarely that no I won't stop talking about it. Also get ready for when betting comes to LoL esports teams (because it was supposed to happen this year but I believe Saudi cup delayed it, but who knows) and it will be everywhere.
PICKING SETT IS THE BEST DESCISION EVER MADE!
First?
malphite top game 5 was also good
against rumble and ziggs?
NA FLY is just weak
Fiddle kinda awful, stop picking it
Sett was a bigger issue.
From losing to T1 in 17 mins to going 5 games with Gen G. o7