what makes me laugh is Land Rover the go anywhere vehicle going over to EV,s...... do they have charging points in the Jungle or desert................... absolute insanity
They were talking about the army doing the same which is even more stupid. These people are trying to out do each other for the most stupid idea they can get taken seriously by politicians
I very much doubt whether Land and Range Rover will abandon producing IC engines any time soon. They cater for the world market, not just the UK and western EU.
Interesting point about EVs on ferries. Brittany ferries site says EVs must have no more than 40% charge when boarding and must display a windscreen sticker. Then parked in a special area. Best towed behind on a barge for safety.
You should have to discharge your battery like they do with capacitors when working on electrical equipment. A big resistor on jump leads should do it😊 Safety first
When I lived in Canada (almost twenty years ago) my Infiniti had a remote starter. Used to start the car while I was brushing my teeth in the mornings. Seat hot, car hot, engine hot, steering wheel all warmed up. Petrol. What are the EV bros on about?
That may be true, but do you want all those fumes outside your house? In colder parts of the US it's often the thing to leave a diesel vehicle running throughout the winter to stop it freezing up. Not really good for the environment.
@@6581punk not really a problem with a modern euro 6 diesel. Ive never had any issue starting mine even in minus 10c weather and it didnt have a furnace. It also didnt sod or smell.
I live in Canada. Well familiar with the cold. Minus 30° c cold. And when it gets really cold. I've got a button on my keychain. I push it, the car starts. 5 minutes later even if there's a foot of snow on top of it the car is warmed up inside. I drive a Kia Soul. That's very far from a luxury automobile. And yet I've got a button to start the car remotely. My car has heated seats and heated steering wheel. However if you didn't have heated seats or heated steering wheel you could still go to Canadian Tire and buy a heating thing to put on the seat and the steering wheel. Lots of people do that. So you don't need a $100,000 automobile which can't handle the cold. We can have something a quarter of that price with the remote start and the heated seats and the heated steering wheel and still be happy even when it's minus 40° At home I have a lawn mower. And that means I have a gas can in the garage with gas for the lawn mower. And that means I've always got about 5 l of gas in the garage just in case something happens. So if the entire electrical grid went down and my car for whatever reason happened to be completely out of gas, I still have enough gas in the can in the garage to get out of town should the need arise. Gasoline. It's the way of the future.
Had to drive through very deep water on the way home from work in Monmouth to Bristol on Friday night and my 20 year old Citroen Picasso got me home! The flood was in the middle of nowhere and in an EV I would have been stranded !
@@AcemeistreNothing like filling all your monocoque body sections with water and accelerating corrosion problems thereby shortening the life of the car!
Geoff - I had a 2000 BMW 530D (E39) which had an Eberspacher diesel Heater factory fitted that could programmed to pre warm and defrost the car including warming the engine - so for all the EV owner/drivers pre warming a car isn't a new thing.
@@ajkgordon they do and soon will even more read hyundai bluelink safeguard alerts and know that in one of 2024 navigation updates end user agreement they added a "can be remotely enforced by law" so those aren't and never were made just to prevent a dealership to drive too fast or your son or whatever...those are made to be used against you, that's the entire point of 5G from the start fyi being able to track and control connected cars
y'all be running on the assumption that an EV would have a depleted battery at the time of an emergency, when in reality cars are spread out at different levels of fuel or charge regardless of type.
When I worked in a mountainous area of Germany, we'd see 40 degrees in the afternoon summer sunshine and minus 20 degrees overnight in the winter. Our petrol car always started first twist of the key with little variation in range due to temperature. With EVs having short range in cold weather and having potentially volatile battery packs if charging when it's hot they are not fit for purpose. That's before you look at the economics... In an emergency? Do me a favour!
as I noticed with -5°C last morning petrol cars have another benefit more power and torque with cold air, for free, I was at 120kph before the end of a pretty short and steep highway entry lane I'm usually around 80kph my car likes cold a alot !
I live in Guernsey. We have 35ft tides over our roads. So that's salt-water in the roads for 15% to 20% of our daily drives, year round. I build boats for a living, ALL of 'em a little leak salt water, just is. Tiny amounts of that will make an EV rather unwell.
My diesel Land Cruiser as remote start. When it's cold in the morning I start the engine from the comfort of my house, get myself ready and by the time I am ready to go my car is nice and warm and fully defrosted.
I can do that in my VW van, heated mirrors and windscreen. The difference is I can do that in about 2 minutes and I'm off. I'm not then annoying my neighbours who may be trying to sleep or polluting the air.
Unlike an EV, you can’t leave an unoccupied ice vehicle running in a public carpark when it is unoccupied. Bloody wonderful in hot weather to have a cool interior, also helps keep the shopping in good condition.
Wise Words Geoff! My crappy little Fiat Panda 4x4 twin air has heated seats, mirrors AND windscreen 😂 And the heater blows warm air in about three or four minutes 🤓 Sorted 💥 Gotta love a freezing cold morning 😂👍🥶
I drive an old E-Class Merc (S212) and it has a range of at least 1,500 kilometres with one Tank filled with 90 litres of Diesel fuel. Last year I had to drive to south-east Europe for a job and I drove in a Convoy with a 14 ton truck and a Sprinter van. Which means that I was going with about 90-95km/h. The "low fuel" warning light lit up after more than 2,000 kilometres! I did way over 2,100km on one tank of Diesel.
I sadly bought an EV :/ but mine I can at least pedal if the battery doesn't work anymore or isn't present ^^ freezing temperatures are here now and I realized something on the 1st highway entry lane...ICE cars (especially turbo) don't only give you free heating in winter, they work better too woooooo thanks for the free horsepower winter !
Hi Geoff - can you have an ask-about and see what the feelings are on storing fuel and how? I use metal, lined 20ltr Jerry cans. But how long can petrol or diesel can be stored without it going off? 1month, 3, 6, more? Does fuel stabiliser work? What does it do to lengthen the storage life? I've read all sorts of numbers kicking about but it would be nice to make an informed decision! Many thanks bud
@@GeoffBuysCarsmodern petrol will not last as long as years ago but diesel can last years, let's face it an old diesel engine with a mechanical pump can run quite happily on any type of oil, cooking oil etc so you can always run it on something.
fit alarm system with 2 way key fob and you get central locking, pager alerts if the car is broken into and remote/timed start function and start it 5 min before you set off. I have them fitted to all my cars and its a great features to have in the cold weather
the benefit of having a warm car as soon as you need it, is not only better than waiting for a gas car to warm up, but is also much better from a saftey perspective. The number of times I have to start out to work in my petrol car and the front and side windows are still 90% misted up, in winter, and I'm looking at the road through a small slot to where the heater blows onto the screen, cos that's all it can manage until I get a mile or two into my journey where the car properly starts heating.... man is that dangerous and I would be better off in winter where the front windscreen is cleared properly.
Definitely No ! . Plus it would definitely effect how often these vehicles would be charged. If towards the end of shift the power would be going down.
There are plenty of things you can fit to pre-heat a car - a plug in cooling water heater, a Webasto-type integrated fuel-burning heater, or a Chinese diesel fuelled air blower.
I've got a Volvo V60 D6 PHEV, Its a diesel plug in hybrid that is AWD and can heat itself up in the morning and I even can have the heated seats on. It has a Polestar tune on it and puts out about 300hp all systems combined. Its not perfect but it has that 5 cylinder Volvo diesel engine with the bulletproof status!. The preconditioning can be done using electricity if it is parked in a garage, or Diesel through the integrated webasto diesel boiler unit that you would normally find in a truck. Its really an amazing car. The diesel engine drives the front wheels, the rear are driven electrically, the hybrid system can completely fail and the car will carry on as a normal diesel Volvo. I average 70 mpg in it on my combined journey over a month. If I do the same on diesel only, I average 50 mpg. I have it 5 years and I cant fault it. Charge it up or fill it up best of both worlds with diesel economy!
Warming any type of car requires energy, that cost money, great if you can leave your EV plugged in but not a good idea otherwise. I am sticking with petrol until it is not available.
Yup,first thing I did last week when it was confirmed as ice & snow and minus degrees temperatures until ? was to take my 1996 Volvo V40 to petrol station and put £40 of V-Power in it 😉
Nearly all of my diesel cars have had a Webasto heater. Even the Rover 75 from 20 years ago had one. People were always mystified by the sound of the heather and a steaming hot windscreen. Point is simply that auxiliary heaters are old ICE technology.
Just have a generator? Batteries getting cheaper now, solar is cheap. Even without solar just buy cheap electric at night for 6p a kWh for batteries to use during the day. If we are in a mad max world then there is no chance you're getting fuel from anywhere anyway.
@@G-ra-ha-m I'm not against ICE vehicles. I have a few! However an EV battery that can also power a house for a week. Great second cars. It's all about preparation, I also have hundreds of litres of fuel stored. Don't put all your eggs in one basket so to speak. I used to be totally against EVs but they have their place.
Have these EV people ever heard of Webasto? I can press a button in my living room and half an hour later I have a warm and ice/snow-free car ready to drive away. My wife can too. She drives diesel and I drive petrol.
Yes, the heat your car up is a great feature for electric cars, and so is the amazing acceleration, but I'm not sure that is a selling point for most people. Range and convenience are my top priorities.
Geoff Volvo sell block heaters for most of their models. You can probably get the kit off a scrapper over in Sweden/Norway/etc and when you get in you get instant heater.
Can you imagine having drained your battery to get home and putting on your home charger, then having a family emergency and not having the power to drive to it
Imagine having all but emptied your tank on the drive home. Then having a family emergency in the middle of the night and the nearest 24 hour petrol station is too far away!😢
Geoff considers relying on access to petrol stations for a top up is more convenient and reliable than starting off the day with a full charge from home? Carrying around flammable fuel when you can plug in? Yes preheating car is great as is the capability of running the car at idle, for several days as emergency accommodation.
In Canada you could connect to the electricity supply to keep the sump warmed and the inside heated overnight. It can be done without an EV, which you are burning up the contents of your battery while heating or slowing the charge.
Have you all seen the “call a general election” petition (apart from them being useless and not wanting the tories anyway ) there are 2 million signatures !
Thing is, if your town is under water then you aren't getting any petrol or diesel either. This was raised in the big freeze in Texas a year or two ago that EVs would be hopeless with the power grid failing. But you aren't going to get any petrol when electricity is needed for the pumps. My car manual mentions not driving through water, despite being a 4x4 small SUV.
Love my Skoda 1.0tsi 55mpg no problem, My neighbour has just had a brand new Audi etron delivered today company car, Would sooner have my reliable Skoda, Take care outthere.
Petrol and diesel price behind you is between 4 and 5ppl more expensive than my local price here in very West Mid Wales. My Honda CR-V twin turbo automatic 4wd from 2015 does 45mpg, giving my obligatory 600 mile range on its 13.5 gallon tank. It does drop to 40mpg on short journeys.
We have a Nissan Leaf and I struggled last week in the freezing weather, the battery was running out too fast, it was ridiculous, we had to park it, I can’t even talk about an emergency situation, no chance.
You can have an ice car that heats up before you get in it my mates dad had a Barabus that did that in 2004, 20 years later it’s considered cutting edge now for some reason. You could put any tech an ev can do in an ice car if you so wanted.
The thing is you don’t have to plan filling up with an EV if you have home charging. It’s always fully charged when you need it as long as you follow the EV mantra ABC - always be charging. Sure, if you have longer distances to travel, an EV is not always the best choice. But most of us only do a few dozen miles per day. In a an emergency, most of us would only need a car for local transport. But in a true longer term emergency, you might be better off with one if you have home solar. If the power grid gets taken out by, say, a Russian cyber attack, then even diesel is going to be hard to get.
So my older range rover has an eberspacher diesel heater. And a remote control to warm the oil, heat the cabin up and defrost . No need to get out and chilly and no ev nonsense. Fossil fuels are great
Weather has not been strange. Birds falling out the sky onto cruise ships is sinister. Someone knows. I have a remote heater on my Volvo V60, a diesel auxiliary Webasto I can set on the car clock, or go through the app on the phone. It's brilliant and means not needing to idle the car to warm it up. I don't know how i'd enjoy wading through flood water with a high voltage battery under my backside. It's bad enough with an air filter inlet awareness.
They would come in handy for flooding though, ir you really took the time to think about it. Since they'll all spontaneously catch fire, they'll dry up the floodwaters in record time!!! \\=^D
I have a Rav 4 PHEV (NHS lease car for my sins until next May) I just start the engine (I have never plugged it in since Aug 2023 and use petrol inly) and allow the car to warm up the ‘old fashioned way’
Cold weather: no Hot weather: no Wet: hell no Have to travel a long ways: no Able to fill up with electricity out: no Internet out: Oopsie LGBQT parade: Jaguar(Draguar) Besides all that they're great 🤣
If you decide to keep a car for more than 2 episodes 🤣 there is parking heaters available. Those were fitted from factory for cars in regions like Sxandinavia and North America. I’m getting one for our 2012 XC70. Bit of a bummer with postage to UK and all the customs forms but all in its only £200.
Enthusiastic driving aside, EVs are great when everything works and its just another day. I mean I like the convinience of my PHEV and that it can be de-iced and warm when I'm going to work. However, if I lived in an area prone to flooding parts of the year, I would never ever want to drive something with batteries underneath the car. And even though I live in a country with mild weather(Denmark), my next car is going to be a diesel with a manual gearbox cause I miss it so freaking much. I don't care if I have to sacrifice a fancy infotainment system or 100 of the current 204 HP i have. My old 100hp diesel was fantastic as a basic vehicle. Miss that little car so much. It always started and could do 1200Km on a 40 liter tank if it was a long trip and never less than 900-950km on a full tank. You could piss in the tank after a night out and it would start, it could use almost anything as fuel.
I don’t want an EV anytime, let alone in an emergency!
They are not really EVs, bug giant batteries waiting to cause problems.
echo, echo, echo, echo. 😂
@@Acemeistre Yes, the EV people live in an echo chamber, while we watch everyone else switch off.
what makes me laugh is Land Rover the go anywhere vehicle going over to EV,s...... do they have charging points in the Jungle or desert................... absolute insanity
Yep, I'm just heading off to the desert in my diesel Polo, then the jungle 😂
Most Landrovers don't go anywhere other than suburban roads. Real Landrover customers in the country don't buy the new models, never mind an EV.
Nobody drives Land Rovers anywhere remote. That's the job for a Toyota.
They were talking about the army doing the same which is even more stupid. These people are trying to out do each other for the most stupid idea they can get taken seriously by politicians
I very much doubt whether Land and Range Rover will abandon producing IC engines any time soon. They cater for the world market, not just the UK and western EU.
I had to travel 300+ miles to the bedside of my dying brother a few years ago. Thank God I didn't have an EV.
Interesting point about EVs on ferries. Brittany ferries site says EVs must have no more than 40% charge when boarding and must display a windscreen sticker. Then parked in a special area.
Best towed behind on a barge for safety.
I feel uncomfortable on a ferry with an EV, they need to be in a safe area where they can be pushed off the end when they go up.
Where did they get 40% from? Surely if there is any charge then you have a potential bonfire or am I missing something?
@ I use the Plymouth to Santander 24 hour crossing quite often. This info is on their site. Not very reassuring is it?
@@thetreadtrader7565 If I was in insurance for a ferry I'd ban them completely - the risk to reward ratio doesn't work.
You should have to discharge your battery like they do with capacitors when working on electrical equipment. A big resistor on jump leads should do it😊
Safety first
Yes, when there's a power cut I can use it to charge my phone 👌
Get a power bank, cheaper.
@markgolder995
@therealdojj yes, I did get it.
Bonus! 😂😂😂
When I lived in Canada (almost twenty years ago) my Infiniti had a remote starter. Used to start the car while I was brushing my teeth in the mornings. Seat hot, car hot, engine hot, steering wheel all warmed up. Petrol. What are the EV bros on about?
Nothing is new everything has been done.
ay, a small oil furnace was very typical in diesels here in scandinavia before we went EV crazy.
That may be true, but do you want all those fumes outside your house? In colder parts of the US it's often the thing to leave a diesel vehicle running throughout the winter to stop it freezing up. Not really good for the environment.
@@6581punk not really a problem with a modern euro 6 diesel. Ive never had any issue starting mine even in minus 10c weather and it didnt have a furnace. It also didnt sod or smell.
@@6581punkyes I do, I will never have an ev, only a fool would.
I said the same in an Australian government ad on FB about bushfire emergencies, that you cant carry electricity around in a jerrycan in an emergency.
L322 4.4 TDV8 has webasto pre heaters
No EV ever!!!
I live in Canada. Well familiar with the cold. Minus 30° c cold. And when it gets really cold.
I've got a button on my keychain. I push it, the car starts. 5 minutes later even if there's a foot of snow on top of it the car is warmed up inside.
I drive a Kia Soul. That's very far from a luxury automobile. And yet I've got a button to start the car remotely.
My car has heated seats and heated steering wheel.
However if you didn't have heated seats or heated steering wheel you could still go to Canadian Tire and buy a heating thing to put on the seat and the steering wheel. Lots of people do that.
So you don't need a $100,000 automobile which can't handle the cold. We can have something a quarter of that price with the remote start and the heated seats and the heated steering wheel and still be happy even when it's minus 40°
At home I have a lawn mower. And that means I have a gas can in the garage with gas for the lawn mower. And that means I've always got about 5 l of gas in the garage just in case something happens.
So if the entire electrical grid went down and my car for whatever reason happened to be completely out of gas, I still have enough gas in the can in the garage to get out of town should the need arise.
Gasoline. It's the way of the future.
My petrol V8 takes less than a minute to warm up due to the built in pre heater.
Loads of premium cars (cheaper 2nd hand than an EV) have them
Had to drive through very deep water on the way home from work in Monmouth to Bristol on Friday night and my 20 year old Citroen Picasso got me home! The flood was in the middle of nowhere and in an EV I would have been stranded !
Lookout for where the air intake is - and now check your air filter, it could be soggy.
@@G-ra-ha-mthank you ! I will do
why?
EVs are better equipped to wade through flood waters as there's no exhaust pipe that can be flooded and ruin the engine. 😵
@@AcemeistreNothing like filling all your monocoque body sections with water and accelerating corrosion problems thereby shortening the life of the car!
My MY05 Discovery 3 2.7V6 has a diesel pre-heater...20 mins and its lovely and cosy 👍
There's a difference between warming your car up before getting in it, and it really warming up before you get in it 🔥🚒
👏 Totally agree Geoff 👍
Geoff - I had a 2000 BMW 530D (E39) which had an Eberspacher diesel Heater factory fitted that could programmed to pre warm and defrost the car including warming the engine - so for all the EV owner/drivers pre warming a car isn't a new thing.
Some people fit diesel heaters to EVs, it makes a lot of sense as the heaters sip diesel and save the battery.
Truth and reality left the building years ago.
It's not just the public chargers, if the internet is down, which it would be in any emergency, your EV is a brick.
Why would it be a brick? EVs don’t need to be connected to the internet to work.
@@ajkgordondo the public charging points except cash payments.
@@ajkgordon they do and soon will even more read hyundai bluelink safeguard alerts and know that in one of 2024 navigation updates end user agreement they added a "can be remotely enforced by law" so those aren't and never were made just to prevent a dealership to drive too fast or your son or whatever...those are made to be used against you, that's the entire point of 5G from the start fyi being able to track and control connected cars
@@ajkgordon They do to charge at public chargers.
y'all be running on the assumption that an EV would have a depleted battery at the time of an emergency, when in reality cars are spread out at different levels of fuel or charge regardless of type.
You forgot London roads in particular Brent, some of the roads are in shocking condition. Not good for the rigid battery pack
When I worked in a mountainous area of Germany, we'd see 40 degrees in the afternoon summer sunshine and minus 20 degrees overnight in the winter. Our petrol car always started first twist of the key with little variation in range due to temperature.
With EVs having short range in cold weather and having potentially volatile battery packs if charging when it's hot they are not fit for purpose. That's before you look at the economics...
In an emergency? Do me a favour!
as I noticed with -5°C last morning petrol cars have another benefit more power and torque with cold air, for free, I was at 120kph before the end of a pretty short and steep highway entry lane I'm usually around 80kph my car likes cold a alot !
It was so warm we couldn't sleep it was 15°c😅😅😅😅😅
He forgot to turn off the central heating ... 😂
Bloody summer in the UK innit??😅
15 degrees C, is a cold winter night down under.
If bad weather,snow is predicted I always make sure the Landrover is full of diesel. Flooding isn’t an issue where I live.
I live in Guernsey. We have 35ft tides over our roads. So that's salt-water in the roads for 15% to 20% of our daily drives, year round. I build boats for a living, ALL of 'em a little leak salt water, just is. Tiny amounts of that will make an EV rather unwell.
No to milk floats!
Warm car to get into sounds a bit nancy to me. The VW's warmed up in two miles and being warm dont limit my milage.
I don’t use it for comfort. I use it so that the windows and mirrors are ice and condensation free.
My diesel Land Cruiser as remote start. When it's cold in the morning I start the engine from the comfort of my house, get myself ready and by the time I am ready to go my car is nice and warm and fully defrosted.
I can do that in my VW van, heated mirrors and windscreen. The difference is I can do that in about 2 minutes and I'm off. I'm not then annoying my neighbours who may be trying to sleep or polluting the air.
Unlike an EV, you can’t leave an unoccupied ice vehicle running in a public carpark when it is unoccupied. Bloody wonderful in hot weather to have a cool interior, also helps keep the shopping in good condition.
Just had an ad for an EV before this started.
Wise Words Geoff!
My crappy little Fiat Panda 4x4 twin air has heated seats, mirrors AND windscreen 😂
And the heater blows warm air in about three or four minutes 🤓
Sorted 💥
Gotta love a freezing cold morning 😂👍🥶
You could actually jump on the fuel hose line at the gasstation when we were teenages to get up fuel without any pump running :D
My old Hyundai terrican will go through anything, snow, no problem. Flooding again no problem. Best car I've ever owned.
Spot on Geoff.
Solar pv is best solution in a mad max world.
I drive an old E-Class Merc (S212) and it has a range of at least 1,500 kilometres with one Tank filled with 90 litres of Diesel fuel.
Last year I had to drive to south-east Europe for a job and I drove in a Convoy with a 14 ton truck and a Sprinter van. Which means that I was going with about 90-95km/h. The "low fuel" warning light lit up after more than 2,000 kilometres! I did way over 2,100km on one tank of Diesel.
Geoff. Did you see that report that suggests that Volvo drivers have the highest IQ. But BMW driver's the lowest. Be careful what you buy in future.
I’ve driven from Kent to Scotland in my V70 2.4T petrol classic and still had a nearly 1/4 of a tank left 😊
I sadly bought an EV :/ but mine I can at least pedal if the battery doesn't work anymore or isn't present ^^ freezing temperatures are here now and I realized something on the 1st highway entry lane...ICE cars (especially turbo) don't only give you free heating in winter, they work better too woooooo thanks for the free horsepower winter !
I don't want an EV and I certainly don't want one in an emergency. You're stuck if an emergency happens when you have no charge. 😔
What would you do in an emergency if your car won't start?
Immediately after the vid..An EV ad extolling their excellence !!
Hi Geoff - can you have an ask-about and see what the feelings are on storing fuel and how? I use metal, lined 20ltr Jerry cans. But how long can petrol or diesel can be stored without it going off? 1month, 3, 6, more? Does fuel stabiliser work? What does it do to lengthen the storage life? I've read all sorts of numbers kicking about but it would be nice to make an informed decision! Many thanks bud
Good question
@@GeoffBuysCarsmodern petrol will not last as long as years ago but diesel can last years, let's face it an old diesel engine with a mechanical pump can run quite happily on any type of oil, cooking oil etc so you can always run it on something.
fit alarm system with 2 way key fob and you get central locking, pager alerts if the car is broken into and remote/timed start function and start it 5 min before you set off. I have them fitted to all my cars and its a great features to have in the cold weather
the benefit of having a warm car as soon as you need it, is not only better than waiting for a gas car to warm up, but is also much better from a saftey perspective.
The number of times I have to start out to work in my petrol car and the front and side windows are still 90% misted up, in winter, and I'm looking at the road through a small slot to where the heater blows onto the screen, cos that's all it can manage until I get a mile or two into my journey where the car properly starts heating....
man is that dangerous and I would be better off in winter where the front windscreen is cleared properly.
Definitely No ! . Plus it would definitely effect how often these vehicles would be charged. If towards the end of shift the power would be going down.
There are plenty of things you can fit to pre-heat a car - a plug in cooling water heater, a Webasto-type integrated fuel-burning heater, or a Chinese diesel fuelled air blower.
I've got a Volvo V60 D6 PHEV, Its a diesel plug in hybrid that is AWD and can heat itself up in the morning and I even can have the heated seats on. It has a Polestar tune on it and puts out about 300hp all systems combined. Its not perfect but it has that 5 cylinder Volvo diesel engine with the bulletproof status!. The preconditioning can be done using electricity if it is parked in a garage, or Diesel through the integrated webasto diesel boiler unit that you would normally find in a truck. Its really an amazing car. The diesel engine drives the front wheels, the rear are driven electrically, the hybrid system can completely fail and the car will carry on as a normal diesel Volvo. I average 70 mpg in it on my combined journey over a month. If I do the same on diesel only, I average 50 mpg. I have it 5 years and I cant fault it. Charge it up or fill it up best of both worlds with diesel economy!
In Scandinavia, these cars did have a Diesel heater option, quite rare now but they are out there.
Here in Finland I have seen Volvos that have a car heater system that can be turned on either remotely or on a timer. All within the car. No cables.
Warming any type of car requires energy, that cost money, great if you can leave your EV plugged in but not a good idea otherwise.
I am sticking with petrol until it is not available.
Cost of running an ev at idle with ac turned on is 1kw per hour. Peanuts. Unlike ice, can also go it when parked and occupied in public streets…
"Freedom" ....... that's the important word and the one that those in charge want to remove from us.
I get 48-49mpg from my 1.5 DCI Duster and it’s warm enough to defrost the windscreen in a couple of minutes.
Yup,first thing I did last week when it was confirmed as ice & snow and minus degrees temperatures until ? was to take my 1996 Volvo V40 to petrol station and put £40 of V-Power in it 😉
Nearly all of my diesel cars have had a Webasto heater. Even the Rover 75 from 20 years ago had one. People were always mystified by the sound of the heather and a steaming hot windscreen. Point is simply that auxiliary heaters are old ICE technology.
"once it's warm, stays warm" - so you're insinuating that an EV doesn't stay warm - (whispers) lliiiaaaarrrrrr 😂
Just have a generator? Batteries getting cheaper now, solar is cheap.
Even without solar just buy cheap electric at night for 6p a kWh for batteries to use during the day.
If we are in a mad max world then there is no chance you're getting fuel from anywhere anyway.
In any disaster the power goes away first.
@G-ra-ha-m hence the reason to have home solar and storage. There will be no fuel getting pumped at the stations!
@@1982dsc Even half a tank gives me 400 miles of range.
@@G-ra-ha-m I'm not against ICE vehicles. I have a few! However an EV battery that can also power a house for a week. Great second cars. It's all about preparation, I also have hundreds of litres of fuel stored. Don't put all your eggs in one basket so to speak.
I used to be totally against EVs but they have their place.
Electric vehicles are for those who have always espired to be in the new jaguar advert.
What emergencies? The type of propulsion doesn't matter if the roads are impassable.
Try going cross country in an EV looking for a charging point.
Even shallow stream are going to short circuit the battery or start a thermal runaway.
Good day Geoffrey 🌿🌿🌿
Have these EV people ever heard of Webasto? I can press a button in my living room and half an hour later I have a warm and ice/snow-free car ready to drive away. My wife can too. She drives diesel and I drive petrol.
Can’t do that when you are parked on the street.
Yes, the heat your car up is a great feature for electric cars, and so is the amazing acceleration, but I'm not sure that is a selling point for most people. Range and convenience are my top priorities.
Geoff Volvo sell block heaters for most of their models. You can probably get the kit off a scrapper over in Sweden/Norway/etc and when you get in you get instant heater.
Fitted a diesel heater to the Landy, 🔥 🌡
£110 Full remote and timer function 😊
Used it about four times last year.... 🤷♂️
Quite right, I remember a big snowfall one December. Powerlines down for 3 days.
If you had a power wall you could have run your house for a week off it!
And charged you EV if you had one!
@@DwaynePipes it’s telling that Geoff’s subscribers provide the very situation where EVs are a life saver.
You can warm the car with a diesel heater remotely or on a timer. I cannot understand why manufacturers didn't fit them years ago.
They also get warm when the battery catches fire 😂
Coolant heaters for ice cars have been around for decades, plug your car into a smart plug and you can warm it up remotely 😁
Can you imagine having drained your battery to get home and putting on your home charger, then having a family emergency and not having the power to drive to it
Imagine having all but emptied your tank on the drive home.
Then having a family emergency in the middle of the night and the nearest 24 hour petrol station is too far away!😢
Geoff considers relying on access to petrol stations for a top up is more convenient and reliable than starting off the day with a full charge from home? Carrying around flammable fuel when you can plug in? Yes preheating car is great as is the capability of running the car at idle, for several days as emergency accommodation.
In Canada you could connect to the electricity supply to keep the sump warmed and the inside heated overnight. It can be done without an EV, which you are burning up the contents of your battery while heating or slowing the charge.
Can’t leave an ice engine running in an unoccupied car in the street… you can with an EV.
If you took that free diesel heater from someone you can preheat your diesel vehicle anyway... Just a touch of space and fitting...
Have you all seen the “call a general election” petition (apart from them being useless and not wanting the tories anyway ) there are 2 million signatures !
Nothing will actually happen though!😢
Thing is, if your town is under water then you aren't getting any petrol or diesel either. This was raised in the big freeze in Texas a year or two ago that EVs would be hopeless with the power grid failing. But you aren't going to get any petrol when electricity is needed for the pumps. My car manual mentions not driving through water, despite being a 4x4 small SUV.
I have about 10,000 litres of Diesel fuel at home.
Love my Skoda 1.0tsi 55mpg no problem, My neighbour has just had a brand new Audi etron delivered today company car, Would sooner have my reliable Skoda, Take care outthere.
Petrol and diesel price behind you is between 4 and 5ppl more expensive than my local price here in very West Mid Wales. My Honda CR-V twin turbo automatic 4wd from 2015 does 45mpg, giving my obligatory 600 mile range on its 13.5 gallon tank. It does drop to 40mpg on short journeys.
U can carry electric with u geoff. Its called a disesl generator in your boot 😂😂
We have a Nissan Leaf and I struggled last week in the freezing weather, the battery was running out too fast, it was ridiculous, we had to park it, I can’t even talk about an emergency situation, no chance.
If it 3 foot undetwater, it dosent matter if it is diesel, peteol or electric. Its fubar
Nope. If it's got an air intake above the water & a snorkel, no problem. Diesels will work under water, subject to the above.
Not if it is a BYD Yangwang U8.
Really! Look it up.
No snorkel required!
Unless you are in said car with said kit. Which isnt 99% of cars. You wont walk to it will you? The majority of cars would be ruined
@@wpjohn91 I've got scuba gear .... 😁👍
WAIT A MINUTE! Wasn’t it Volvo that advertised pre-warming the car sometime in the 80s? I seem to remember adverts to that effect.
My old diesel has remote controlled interior heating...never used it, but I could.
You can have an ice car that heats up before you get in it my mates dad had a Barabus that did that in 2004, 20 years later it’s considered cutting edge now for some reason. You could put any tech an ev can do in an ice car if you so wanted.
The thing is you don’t have to plan filling up with an EV if you have home charging. It’s always fully charged when you need it as long as you follow the EV mantra ABC - always be charging.
Sure, if you have longer distances to travel, an EV is not always the best choice. But most of us only do a few dozen miles per day. In a an emergency, most of us would only need a car for local transport.
But in a true longer term emergency, you might be better off with one if you have home solar. If the power grid gets taken out by, say, a Russian cyber attack, then even diesel is going to be hard to get.
You can always install an engine block heater and a timer switch.
Hi Geoff, i have a car that can do both, remote heating and its a full fat diesel !!!!!!! winner!!!
I've often wondered what would happen to an EV if left in a flood for a long time
best to remain home, for your safety and convenience
Some ev's turn into boats in floods. So there's a plus, still usable in floods as long as you carry an outboard in the boot.
Spot on !
So my older range rover has an eberspacher diesel heater. And a remote control to warm the oil, heat the cabin up and defrost . No need to get out and chilly and no ev nonsense. Fossil fuels are great
Weather has not been strange. Birds falling out the sky onto cruise ships is sinister. Someone knows.
I have a remote heater on my Volvo V60, a diesel auxiliary Webasto I can set on the car clock, or go through the app on the phone. It's brilliant and means not needing to idle the car to warm it up.
I don't know how i'd enjoy wading through flood water with a high voltage battery under my backside. It's bad enough with an air filter inlet awareness.
They would come in handy for flooding though, ir you really took the time to think about it. Since they'll all spontaneously catch fire, they'll dry up the floodwaters in record time!!! \\=^D
I wonder how an EV drives, through a big flood puddle ?
Of course not!
How do you get through the floods and snowdrifts on your emergency drive to Scotland or Dover?
🤔
I have a Rav 4 PHEV (NHS lease car for my sins until next May) I just start the engine (I have never plugged it in since Aug 2023 and use petrol inly) and allow the car to warm up the ‘old fashioned way’
Cold weather: no
Hot weather: no
Wet: hell no
Have to travel a long ways: no
Able to fill up with electricity out: no
Internet out: Oopsie
LGBQT parade: Jaguar(Draguar)
Besides all that they're great 🤣
If you decide to keep a car for more than 2 episodes 🤣 there is parking heaters available. Those were fitted from factory for cars in regions like Sxandinavia and North America. I’m getting one for our 2012 XC70. Bit of a bummer with postage to UK and all the customs forms but all in its only £200.
In winter, I'd rather have a car that produces heat as a biproduct of range than one that has to sacrifice range for heat, or heat for range.
Enthusiastic driving aside, EVs are great when everything works and its just another day. I mean I like the convinience of my PHEV and that it can be de-iced and warm when I'm going to work. However, if I lived in an area prone to flooding parts of the year, I would never ever want to drive something with batteries underneath the car. And even though I live in a country with mild weather(Denmark), my next car is going to be a diesel with a manual gearbox cause I miss it so freaking much. I don't care if I have to sacrifice a fancy infotainment system or 100 of the current 204 HP i have. My old 100hp diesel was fantastic as a basic vehicle. Miss that little car so much. It always started and could do 1200Km on a 40 liter tank if it was a long trip and never less than 900-950km on a full tank. You could piss in the tank after a night out and it would start, it could use almost anything as fuel.
In an emergency Geoff, E.V. owners will soon have to turn that heater OFF. Poor sods .
Nope, in an emergency an ev will last several days, without risk of asphyxiation or discomfort of noise…
On another note Geoff on Jaguar....How to make friends and influence people whilst killing the brand 😂😂😂😂
In North America, where temperatures go below -10 C, all the EVs' batteries died, so there were tons of EVs abandoned on the side of the road.
Yet in chilly Norway over 90% of new cars are EVs.
They need to start DREDGING the rivers again !! ( It was a stupid EU idea to stop doing it.)