What Everyone Gets Wrong About Implicit Bias Trainings
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- Implicit bias trainings are used at companies like Google, Starbucks, and more in the hopes of increasing diversity and inclusion. But do they work? The answer is complicated. Lack of standardization means that these trainings are often not only significantly flawed themselves, but based on somewhat flawed concepts, including the Implicit Association Test. A more comprehensive approach that deals with systemic issues as well as individual behaviors could be a better way to improve diversity and inclusion at a company.
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The Problem With Implicit Bias Trainings
Sooo ... there's a bias in implicit bias training?
Shocking ...
@John McKay This whole ''successful'' brain you hypothesized to exist. When does it come out? Where can I obtain one and can I implement it into the general AI that serves the public? And what does it cost? It must be astronomically pricey ...
@John McKay Seems I'm the exception. I always perform a reality check first thing when I wake up. Just to be safe.
Yes, it assumes that diversity is a good thing!
@@lynnjenkins3663 Because it generally is?
@@jamesdragonforce It depends how it is managed. If people from different cultures have mini “states within a state” that exist above and outside the law of the land (which we have in the U.K.), and they expect the host country laws and traditions to change to theirs, then no, it isn’t a good thing. It’s about integration- learning the language and traditions and participating in society. I don’t care about anyone’s race, gender or religion as long as they don’t use our freedoms to take them away from us.
"99.9% of what our brains process is unconscious.
"
How do you even measure that?
@John Doe *rolls eyes*
Scribbli Chheery
Seems like we know more about the universe than the ocean floor too. Lol
Spitballing here,
Some sort of brain scan along with stimuli. Ask participant to think about something, solve something, etc. Ask them to explain their thought process, compare to where brain activity is happening.
Aaron Gomez only because you don’t understand how something works or how something is measured - doesn’t mean its pseudoscience :)
Neurological understanding of synaptic observation. Psyche DataPrint Analysis. Modern science used in the East not so much the West
The more you know the more you don't know,
And now you know
Idle Hour that you don’t know
The more you know, the more you know that you do not know.
Seriously, I was told that as a teen by a young adult and now I tell other young kids.
Seems like biases are biased on straight male Europeans. That's bias.
da fuq are you talking about
I remember I once told a coworker that I wasn't physically attracted to black women at all. He said that made me racist. I still don't really understand that.
They’re saying now that if I don’t like only darkskin women, I’m a colorist. Lol
Well the same could be said about my lack of attraction to men. Is that sexist?
It certainly is, what you could say is That you haven’t been physically attracted to any black women you’ve met so far. How would you know that you won’t be attracted to someone you haven’t met yet?
Uoeno Ho no one says that
@@Scientastica no its not. racism is thinking your superior because of some physical attribute. has nothing to do with being or not being attracted to someone.
Astrology also has a below average test score according to Acceptable Standards. Thats why we don't use it in the workplace.
"Unlearning."
"Re-education."
Two things that mean something very similar, yet give me a completely different feeling when thought of. I'm not a fan of any system that tries to control thought.
Yes, racism needs to be quashed...but I mean real racism, not the 2% extra apprehension your subconscious feels when you see someone with a specific look. Skin color/ethnicity clearly triggers unconscious bias, but so do *many* other things...like tattoos, muscles, apparel, numbers (like seeing a gang,) etc. The tattoo'd muscley guy hanging with his friends could be a super good person, but is my subconscious wrong for being aware/wary?
It's strange how people want to think they are machines...machines that can be perfected. Our biology is too intricate to control things on certain levels, unless you do it forcefully....
Which is why I can't help but be consciously bias'd against subconscious bias 'training.' By all means, try to create a world where discrimination due to race/gender doesn't exist, but I feel it's being taken to the micro level before the base level has been even closed to solved.
Why would the benefactors of racism squash it?
Damn, you have a gud point 3lit3
@@uoenoho5788 Some politicians who are "anti-racism" do indeed ironically rely on racism to be 'needed,' so they try to create divides whenever possible by "bringing awareness" to it. Thing is, there's a difference between being aware of racism, and making everyone complicit in it to *make* them aware.
3lit3gn0m3
Systemic racism is political in itself and a benefit to whites. Why would they end something they’ve been benefiting from? I don’t see it happening.
@@uoenoho5788 You call it political as I did, then do exactly as I just explained and have made every white person complicit.
I don't get it.
For a science channel, y’all sure do provide a lot of claims with no accompanying evidence. What happened to the scientific method my dudes?
The SJW’s have trashed it and it’s literally just postmodernist bullshit designed to gradually make us into submissive slaves to the corporate elites and their pet conartists just so they can make an extra buck out of it. It’s bad enough we had an idiot like Trump for president. Neither democrats not republicans give two shits about the scientific method and want only wish do whatever it takes to remind us that we’re a bunch of “losers” who are small and insignificant to them and are only useful as tools. No racism, no sexism, only money. They are doing this solely out of profit, power, and privilege, as in a belief that being richer than people automatically makes the better than them. The only kind of inequality they promote is CLASS INEQUALITY. They’re not marxists, but ELITISTS.
Same story for all these DIE, ESG, and initiatives. It's been hijacked by a cult and has had no measurable positive impact. If anything reversion is occuring.
Snake oil education, grifts for individual and taxpayers money.
You black?
Do your own research. Quit whining.
Ah yes. What many used to refer to as "brainwashing"
Yup right along with all employee training. And all training in general. I also wear a tin foil hat
Precisely
@@micahgmiranda you can't train subconscious thought. Its not the same as teaching someone to complete a task or to realize what should and shouldnt be said.
@@MomoKunDaYo true
@@MomoKunDaYo oh yes you can. Its called using subliminal messaging.
If you want to fix your own biases and you are introspective and adept to understand them, good for you. However, no one should be coercing you or appealing to your good intentions to have you undergo this sort of training. It is a scam and I hope more people speak out about the lack of good evidence to back it up.
Thats right... were so against racism that the only thing we care about when hiring you is your skin color and sexual identity.
Not science. This is not science. I know that. We know that
History becomes your psychology-just in case you’re wondering why you have that boring history class.
It's more complicated than that, obviously, but that's a good way to summarise it.
Axel Dornelles
Indeed.
I think it also seems boring if people don't find it very relevant in this day and age.
Which is why i think something like the crusades is much more interesting than say the Napoleonic wars
Chand
If you’re looking up history on your own, that’s a different story lol
huh?
What about humanizing the people to which prejudice is found through actual experiences?
This is probably a good approach. Humanizing those we are prejudiced against instead of othering them.
Bias is complicated and not always bad, depending on what it is about. This test is also poorly structured.
I didn't even realize people used this test for serious things, I saw it more as a Meyers-Briggs thing lol
4:57
Or, in other words:
".. How do we more effectively brainwash the people who have chosen to think for themselves?"
How is racism "choosing to think for oneself"?
@@axeldornelles5292 I never said racism is choosing to think for yourself and therefore cannot defend a position that I never took... Nice try attempting to project onto me what you perceive to be an easier argument to win, tho. I'm not play the types of games you want to engage in. I'll stand by my statement and proclaim the act of indoctrination of a person into certain ways of thinking that are unnatural and counterintuitive to reason is a form of brainwashing.
@@88_TROUBLE_88 Would you be willing to more clearly state what your opinion is, rather than just post some vague comment about brainwashing?
We dont need to be so critical of ourselves or others all the time. Sometimes there isnt a problem at all. People misunderstanding each other is human. Being willing to move past misunderstanding is beneficial, being critical of everything is not.
The problem isn't the "implicit bias", the way people seem to want it to be are like if every time you saw a car, you would involentary run in the opposite direction cause it might run you over. There's much more going on before your brain even start to consider avoiding the car; and it's the same with people we meet. Just because our brain might implicity associate a group of people with something, does not mean we'll treat the individual accordingly. Like with how we don't run away every time we see a car.
I know it's hard for a scientist and researcher who think of this sort of BS to forget what human interaction are; but, I like most people who live in the outside world have no issue with interacting with people from any background and status... We, just don't care. Actually. I could with certainty guess that most people think things like race and sexual orientation, or even how you precieve your own gender are the least interesting things about you as a person - and if your whole personality are based around those things most people will think of you as tedious and boring to be around.
This is why I dont care about bias. I care about actions and consequences. Especially when it comes to policing.
Biases influence actions and consequences... that’s the whole point
@@yasweeter Dont care what influnced the action, just that there are consequences for the action itself.
@@11FBA11 But how are you ever going to change anything? If you don't investigate the root of the action
@@yasweeter the only thing that needs to change is that there are consequences for illegal actions. If you commit rape or murder, you go to prison like any other criminal. I don't need to "understand " you.
@@11FBA11 If you approach it like that, criminal rates will never decrease. Because you don't treat the core of the problem but just the symptoms. Not a very sustainable solution.
We’re getting to a point in our culture that we are focusing too hard on finding problems and forgetting how far we have come to appreciate how good we truly have it. When you’re a hammer everything is a nail type of thinking. The creators of this test have even admitted the test is flawed and unreliable. The more we all work and play w others different than us the better we will get along. Some people are going to be bad. Some are going to be mean or racist. But not too many. I mean where is all the white supremists hanging out at? I just don’t really see them.
I’ve lived on this planet for 38 years - have yet to meet a single white supremacist lol
Who else laughed at the disclaimer at the end? We want to be explicit about our bias so that people don't accuse us of being implicit bias deniers.
THE ISSUE IS WITH THE THE IMPLICIT BIAS TEST IS THE WAY IN WHICH IT IS PRESENTED TO THE TESTED.
If the test is given as way to help the tested expand their horizons about unconscious sterotypes, then it is good. HOWEVER, these tests are being given inside of workplaces where they are intended to stigmatize people for their ideas.
"Theres just some bad stuff in there somewhere"
Science wow! 😃
The path to equality is to make differences not matter, not to make sure everyone knows about them. By forcing people through bias training and such, you only acknowledge the differences and thusly worsen the issue.
You sound like those old ladies who think their cancer won't get worse if they don't get diagnosed.
does this mean that employers like the NBA will have to know start highering short fat and slow people now to play?
Ah yes, here they are, the Strawmenners. Those lovely denizens of the Internet who don’t think for more than a second about what the comment actually says, and just take it to the hyperbolic extreme, before patting themselves on the back thinking they’re so bloody clever. In any case thank you, your comments allowed me to win a bet ☺️
“Equality” is BS, unless we’re talking about numbers. Only numbers are quantifiable. So, if people care about things being EQUAL, take all things measurable and divide them equally. I don’t see that happening at all.
A C I think what he meant is that those differences don’t matter, unless you do think differences in skin color is important enough to emphasize on.
Sounds like the video is assuming that viewers are american and white. Some bias maybe?
@A C It is about diversifying the white american populace/workforce.
@@Alianger the white american populace force. Your making it sound like only white people have jobs.
Bias is not the same as prejudice or discrimination. Bias is not by definition bad or something that needs to be gotten rid of, where as actual discrimination is by definition (or by law at least) a bad thing. Even me saying that discrimination is bad, is inherently a bias. Case in point.
what absolute rubbish. Lecturer here "gets it wrong". It's far from settled science. And all of us, will forever have some degree of 'bias' - such as I love my family a bit more than strangers, or I respect people that are more humble than arrogant. Natural and understandable 'biases'. This video speaks as if it's the absolute truth and confirmed. Nonsense.
4:27 "When firms or companies have more of them [implicit bias trainings], their diversity and inclusion outcomes tend to be better." That seems likely, but are these outcomes really better? Just because you increased your BIPOC team membership from 15% to 50%, what evidence is there that the decision was done because old biases have been overcome? Could it be that new biases are now being implemented (i.e. explicitly choosing BIPOC individuals to "bolster" the numbers)?
I don't believe it worked at all. As far as them losing old biases. The change was done consciously and intentionally. I don't believe there's any correlation between diversity or implicit bias training to the change in the outcome of their diversity. Kind of makes you wonder if these types of tests and mentality is making things worse?
It's reasonable to use bias training that has been proven to be effective. It is unreasonable to use an unproven training technique. The literature on "Unconscious Bias" is underwhelming.
Why has inclusion not been applied to, let's say for instance, a professional basketball team? Why are we not seeing a mandatory X percentage of white players, Y percentage of asian players, oh, and Z percentage of players under 5'7'' (because short people might feel discriminated too of course)?
You forgot X percentage of black owners lol
@@uoenoho5788 but they are working on that and have been for a few years - they don’t care about the player base for some reason
This video is being WAY too charitable towards the IAT. It's main, proven value is for ENTERTAINMENT. As a SERIOUS test it is worthless.
We have bias to protect ourselves . its literally instinct . even if you could stop bias people will still experience the things that caused the bias . beyond our bias we further judge one another based on personal character so basically we pick out the exceptions to the bias . what's wrong that or are you just victim blaming because we dont choose subconscious bias we experience things that tell us to be weary of certain person place or thing in the future .
@@pashadyne So true, the people who are pushing this training lack enough awareness to know that unfair as it might be bias is not something that can be “fixed.” The human mind learns every day and when the mind sees a problem repeatedly it becomes a well learned memory and potential bias that will be remembered until enough instances occur in your life to reverse and then override that memory/bias indicating that it is no longer a problem. The only positive result that could come from this training is the small percentage of people who have no filter will gain some resemblance of one. The rest of us see it as a repeated annoying and divisive reminder that there are still plenty of people around with no filter, no conscious and no desire to “fix” it.
Chicken or the egg. Your biased, so you can't think anything else.
How can an implicit bias test accurately measure how implicitly biased you are when it literally tells you beforehand that it's going to measure your implicit bias? It's such an obvious gateway to the social desirability bias.
so we want people who have no bias - we prefer the un-biased. Because we think those with biases are less good?
You don't seem to be sure if "implicit bias" is a real thing or if it even manifests itself in behavior. Additionally, of course if you tell people that they're secretly racist they're gonna do everything they can, including making hiring decisions based on race, to quash that accusation at least in their own minds. There is no evidence that hiring people based on race in the name of diversity has any impact on a company's performance overall and only serves to satiate certain people's white guilt. In other words, the training "works" when frequent not because it's underlying premises are legitimate but because it bullies people into questioning their own judgement when it comes to any situation that involves racial minorities. Did you ever stop to think that IB training doesn't work in most contexts because it's underlying premises are patently ridiculous and have no basis in science or fact? Cant think that way though...that would be raaaaaaacccccciiiisssstt!!!!!!
If everyone gets something wrong, the presentation was wrong.
LOL, I am just going to say, how utterly ridiculous the world has become. SIUYA.
In college, I had to do an essay on this test and discuss my results.
I don't think this test is effective in showing deep/nuanced opinions on human beings based on race...
Oh my friends Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, and Joe Rogan would have a field day it’s this
They're literally programming brains like Matrix
Implicit bias training involves simulated reality and technoorganic devices plugged directly into ppl's brains?
If it’s an unconscious thought we don’t even know we are having those thoughts therefore how can it be harmful??
Are you saying people only intentionally hurt other people or themselves?
@@micahgmiranda well its true
@@tectzas wow great rebuttal. You're smart
@@tectzas No, it isn't. That would be like saying that not only all actions and consequences are premeditated, but also that all possible contextual information is know by every person involved.
It’s harmful when you don’t hire a woman for a management position because you assume she will neglect her duties to stay home with children or ask for time off for family issues. That is an assumption not made of men but can equally apply to them. If you feel hiring a black person with natural hair will reflect as unprofessional on your business so you don’t hire them or create “ dress codes” that make the natural state of a black person a bad thing they must change the bias is harmful. If you recognize the bias and don’t succumb to it there is no harm.
Although acknowledgement does not equal action it does create a general awareness about what actions are expected. I’m a scientist and a person of color, I have worked as a scientist at different big pharmaceutical company in a very diverse workplace and since they have started these trainings I have personally noticed significant improvement in both my personal comfort in all of my workplaces and in the attitude of (especially the older) other traditionally American colleagues.
We need more of you.
Now do you see any problems with “big pharma”?
Uoeno Ho there are problems of course, at least they are acknowledging those, I see that as an improvement
by "other traditionally American colleagues" do you mean white people?
ib4cx3pt Not necessarily, I mean more like a mindset
As an autistic I've been on the receiving end of lot of implicit bias.
@Daniel Arroyo and why do ylu say that?
How do you know that it wasn't explicit?
Another mor0nic tolerance?
If you’re trying to end racism on a planet with 7.5 billion sinful creatures, Goodluck. I’m not going to fight against you but I am gonna watch from a distance as you comprehend that it is an impossible task.
Implicit biases are not only about people. You literally gave a car as an example. We also have biases towards animals. If you think those biases are ok but biases towards people are generally wrong than that in itself is also a problem. We should be conscious about them, yes. But we should also check whether they represent reality, because they might. And if they do, we shouldn't change them just because they are biases. We can of course decide that the reality itself is problematic and that we should change it. And if we do, we might actually lose these specific biases.
If we don't have much of a standard way of measuring this bias diagnostically or even delivering the programs, and we see changes in outcomes, how can we attribute those changes in outcome to legitimate reductions in bias? It seems at least in my medical program that the critiques of validity provided here even were not talked about basically at all. It was pushed as a reliable indicator of latent bias. After all, if we have a real issue with validated measurement tools then the assumptions we can make from chsnges in outcomes should also be called into question, right?
A great question that I ask all potential employees when interviewing them:
“Without using the words ‘different’, ‘same’, or ‘all’, describe your definition of diversity.” I’ve gotten some really interesting answers, and weeded out a lot of racists.
That is a tough question as the literal text book definition is as follows:
Diversity-
the quality or state of having many different forms, types, ideas, etc.
: the state of having people who are different races or who have different cultures in a group or organization
Oh, very interesting.
My answer would probably be something like: "I believe someone's worth cannot be measured by physical traits, sexuality, gender, cultural heritage or age and attempting to do so is inherently a mistake. A human being should only be judged in accordance with their actions, choices and the effect they have on the world around them.
Feature of biological or mechanical systems, which is (measure, or..) the variation of their components.. ? :)
I don't get it, how does it weed out the racialists? I couldn't define diversity without using different
@@axeldornelles5292 that is meritocracy
Seriously this is Orwellian
Yup
lol
I have a greater problem with these tests than just the validity of the results. What right do these companies have to analyze a person's thoughts in such a way? Is this not "Thought Policing"?
0:59 - Yeah, well there are too many people in the world to get to know them "for who they are", so we _have_ to stereotype. If you don't like that, stop having kids to bring the population back down to a proper level. 😒
Overpopulation is a myth, honey.
"to bring the population back down to a proper level"
Sad that you bought that bs. It's just a conspiracy related to the great replacement.
Not everyone. In order to training people, it's important to understand what unconscious bias is, how it affects decisions and what you can do about it. That's what we did in this video ruclips.net/video/RhqMEiTVICU/видео.html It's a starting point. We don't mention IAT for the reasons you explain in your video. Personally I don't see IAT as useful as a training tool at all.
I didn't make it 5 seconds.
I’m a Syrian refugee and I feel like some people are extremely prejudiced and biased towards me. Even governments show extreme bias.
The worst part is that even when I try to show them who I am, they still won’t change their idea of me. For example, they immediately assume that I am a Muslim even though I am an atheist and 10% of Syrians are Christians.
One housemate behaved like I am a rapist or something.
This is so dumb. Why not change the structures of the workplace? Just redistribute the decision powers so that workers can decide democratically what should be produced and how much they are to be paid. As a descendant of Black workers my history tells me that 'we have the change the way we work'.
The purpose of the trainings is to make people aware of their own biases. The issues noted here are obvious and address the fact that these trainings should not be created by unqualified people. The goals should be clear and the outcomes measurable. Awareness activities are different and training designed for organizational change will be very detailed, take years to create, implement, evaluate, and measure like all good organizational training programs.
Great vid, data sets will give us some interesting stuff - the conclusions that are drawn from it by certain individuals are just nuts/pseudoscience. It's sad to see tests being abused like that & naive people falling for fake narratives, that don't really exist.
If we can't see it in your behavior or words, it must be in your subconscious. Let's go down that unfalsifiable path.
So my bias against rotten apples should be unlearned? Also, why would you use a diagnostic that is unreliable and still use the word science in the same sentence? Final, how are you going to distinguish between in group preference vs out-group questioning versus calling that implicit bias? i.e. so one should love the stranger as much as their own children and how would one actually get all of humanity to do that? It seems worse that useless to even use this as a metric at all, other than to get people to recognize some sort of bias and why is it only in one direction driven towards one race?
I get that one is trying to combat discrimination that results in negativity for the greater whole, but this myopic pursuit of an ideal by favoring another group over a historically over represented group (does that standard still work in all countries or just in the US?) just is a different kind of discrimination that results in negativity. One has not solved the original problem at that point, merely expanded it to go both ways assuming it did not already exist both ways (which it most certainly does).
An increase of black female managers by 23% shows better diversity? Yes it is true, if you focus on hiring more black females, you will increase the number of black females in management. And you will increase diversity simply for diversity's sake. And you will discriminate based on gender and race. But hey as long as we have more diversity, who cares about discrimination. As Machiavelli suggested, the ends justify the means.
Diversity? That's a code word for one skin color. They don't even consider Native American, Asian, Latino, Middle Eastern or any other diverse group in the test let alone targets :(
This comment section is a nightmare
Your comment is generic
@@justinmontalvo2819 "no u"
@@Vininn126 no u
What is really amazing, is how many people watched this video and missed the point.
Stereotypes are based on half truths and half lies which isn't necessarily bad but I just think people get offended over everything these days
Stop breeding is the only solution. No more breeding regardless. Stay isolated, stay reserved, don't do anything for anyone anymore put a true end to the human condition for ever
The first part was good , the conclusion was more intellectual gibberish . Look up Crisis in Science Wikipedia on the amount of psychological and social studies where the concept came first and then research was concocted to validate . The complaint of the feminists is sexism based on the concept of the white male patriarchy . The root of this concept is found here . Marxist theory, as articulated mainly by Friedrich Engels in The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State, assigns the origin of patriarchy to the emergence of private property, . The political correctness movement is nothing but a front for Marxist doctrine .
Diversity improves a company's image in the eyes of Liberals. If you're more concerned with your image in a certain percentage of the population, as opposed to improving your product, please continue. Meanwhile, the rest of us are laughing at you.
What is a bias ??
I understand that a large company needs to train its workers, but this is very demanding for the general population. The metropolitan world is great, but it is not for everyone. Some people like to live in homogeneous groups with low amigdala stimulation.
I’m going to judge people how I see fit!
Hello Thought Police!!!! Seriously. You people are sick.
Thanks for this informative video
Teach this in India
Do we have implicit bias training here?
Nesecitamos está en español
Yeah... No
Искусственный интеллект или искусство интеллекта. ruclips.net/video/chbzIQz--sw/видео.html
Ah yeah, a gate way to CRT.....
Make diversity awareness a core class in highschool. Teaching kids to get along and detect bias shouldn't be up for debate.
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10/10
Thank you for this . It is more helpful to me now then you would know!
pogi ako
It would be easier to just have one race of people. We should conduct a study to find which is the best Race. The Master Race.
Humans are imperfect.
Is it only me that finds the last two sentences flawed or no ?
Are you trying to write some sort of failed novel? Why search for the best race? Do you really want to waste your time on that? It doesn't even matter. There is no such "Master race", that's racism.
You're not your mind
Your brain is not your mind
You're not your brain
By definition you are, actually.
Specially if you take into consideration constructs like self-identity and consciousness are originated completely from your mind.
@@axeldornelles5292 *Especially
@@axeldornelles5292 is consciousness a construct? Your "definition" is itself a construct.
Jai Shree Ram 🙏