Immersion Cooling an S19J Pro Bitcoin ASIC Miner With a Two Loop Heat Exchanger
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- This is a DIY Immersion Cooling Dielectric Fluid system with two loops.. Fluid circulated through a tank with an S19 Bitcoin Miner in it to a pump and then a heat exchanger - and a second loop circulates just water through a pump, the heat exchanger, a tank and then a radiator. This was the hot water can be used for other things like heating a pool, heating water for a water heater, heating a floor with piping.
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Thanks for telling Celsius values when explaining everything. Keep up the great useful entertainment!
Oh for sure.. For whatever reason, even americans use celcius when talking about miner heat! Im in the camp that thinks we should switch the whole thing over..
+1 fan from Europe
Another fantastic video! Again, I love the retro visuals and the music to back it up, great work!
As usual amazing video! This definitly opens up the door to many other uses for disposing of the heat, i would love to have heated tiles in the bathroom, tear out the tile, lay some tubing down, re tile over it, and boom, heated bathroom floor
Right? Its almost like every single house anywhere north of Texas should have a bitcoin miner in the basement, providing heat for regular things while making money.
I am big fan. I am trying to make an immersion cooling asic miner so your videos are just so genuine and enjoyable.
Edit: …and educational.
Thank you!! It’s definitely quite satisfying when everything works
hola, vi que la temperatura de tu asic esta a 80c, eso es aceptable? no entendi mucho de lo que dices porque hablo español. La temperatura de entrada a 40c. Yo hace una semana que estoy probando un sistema de inmersion que fabriqué, la temperatura del aceite en su punto mas caliente llegó a 62c el asic a 80c con una temperatura ambiente de 30c. Deberia preocuparme? o esta en rangos fuera de peligro? la batea es de metal. Tengo un radiador con un forzador y el aceite que uso es aceite dielectrico para transformadores.
Good video, I like the music and edits.
Being in Florida too, I feel ya on the struggles with heat extraction. I’m elated when I can keep the temp below 95 degrees F (35 c) in the afternoon.
It would be pretty fun to harness the heat of my seven s19’s in the winter time if I lived in like Minnesota.. But then I would be living in Minnesota.
Great content, loving it. This is exactly the sort of thing we need.
I’m you’re first giveaway winner. I work in plumbing and electrical and when I was younger worked in a brewery. I’m very familiar with plate and coil heat exchangers along with your setup. If you ever have questions or would like to bounce ideas around. Let me know and I’d be happy to send you my info. 👍🏼
Thats amazing! I dont have any specific questions, but I would QUITE like to see a "professional' version of this sort of thing. How clean and compact could this method be packaged - because really, everyone who uses heat for things could benefit from a thing like this running quietly in their basement or garage, but DIYing a gnarly thing like Ive made is a bit impractical.
Good to know we have someone like this here. I'll just go ahead and copy the same question I asked Nick:
Since you're using the heat exchanger to cool water, its rating becomes accurate. 200,000BTU is around 58kw, that's almost the heat of 20 S19J Pros, using a pool instead of the small water tank you used. Do you think a single exchanger can dissipate all that heat alone with a double loop?
Well that was really fund to watch!
It was really fun to make.. Although I really love those grey pants from the sheshed scene and I hope I can get this oily liquid out of them :/
Very inspiring. Hopefully there will be more content like this. Just a copple of question to consider: How much (kwh) does the machine use and how much bitcoin does it mine per day? Those questions are very interesting to be answerd :)
Looks like mecano of pipes bro. Great work.
I maybe make a bit of a mess building these - but they work!
I like the MarioB music style . Infloor heating is an amazing synergy.
I’m glad you noticed! That music seemed fitting. And I’m telling you, a couple S19’s and you might never need to turn on your heat!
I have a single s19j pro, and I've decided not to immersion cool until the warranty is up. I live in Canada, so getting rid of heat is only an issue in the summer months, and even then, nowhere near your situation. We've been having cool weather up here, where I am lately. Last night the temperature was 3 degrees celsius. Can you imagine that, it's June! It's not normally that cold. And todays high is supposed to be 18 degrees, which to me, is beautiful.
That’s incredible weather!! Yeah, the only reason to immersion cooling up there would be for noise or to try to take advantage of the heat and use it somehow like I mentioned here. Definitely not for cooling the machine though!
@@SPACEDESIGNWAREHOUSE Yeah, this is a bit abnormally cool. We'd typically be warmer and our summers can become quite hot, so I'll have to cross that bridge eventually. I would like to heat a pool (which I don't have currently) at some point.
Very good info, thanks for posting.
Enjoying the video shots, slow mo's, music and lights.
Thanks, Toasti! Edutainment!
nice. pretty cool that you can use the other loop for heating! 100F is more than enough for radiant. The Hvac technician in me is cringing on the piping though. copper would look so much better. plus installing shut offs, drains,, air scoop, and putting in unions to allow for easy servicing and purge. ahhh. okay I'll stop.
they make press fitting for copper nowadays so you could build it even quicker. if you have the tool of course
Thumbs Up, Dude.
You rock!
Why not use soft tubing? Can it not handle the temperatures? does it get degraded by dielectric fluid?
Bitcool 888 compatible flexible tubing is expensive.
Like Jarome said - there ARE soft tubes you can use, but theyre expensive and not readily available.. I had a ton of CPVC sitting around from previous projects and Im familiar with it now.. Plus, I STILL need to thread in to the pumps, the tank, and the heat exchanger, which would be more bit to go to a hold of with barbs on the end.
What are the dimensions of the tank, as well as the height of the piece inside that the hot oil flows ‘over’?
Called a glass shop last week to get started on my tank, yours is perfect!!
Ill be at the warehouse tomorrow, Ill take some measurements and set a reminder on my phone to comment about them here again!
@@SPACEDESIGNWAREHOUSE awesome thank you. Helps a ton!!!!!!
@@xclarryx it is 11” wide, 17” long with the hot side being 2.5” of that 17”. The divider to the hot side is 5” shorter than the walls which are 19” from the floor. The flow plate sits 1-1/4” up; the Bitcool pumps in under it.
@@SPACEDESIGNWAREHOUSE thanks so much, I’m getting mine cut from glass and didn’t know how tall to make the divider for the hot flow. Thanks for saving me $$ and a headache
Always love new immersion content.Thanks! this was a good one. I've got two questions;
1/ Why did you have to lower the level for the pump to prime in the oil section?
2/since you're using the heat exchanger to cool water, its rating becomes accurate. 200,000BTU is around 58kw, that's almost the heat of 20 S19J Pros, using a pool instead of the small water tank you used. Do you think a single exchanger can dissipate all that heat alone with a double loop?
1/ I don’t think it wasn’t priming, but since the level was so high I wasn’t producing that little waterfall which separates the hot side from the cold side, it was just sort of all flowing.
2/ when this WAS hooked up to my pool, it cooled WAYYYYYY more effectively. I think the hot side discharge temp on the dielectric side was 90f/32c!!!
I’m not entirely sure why this radiator doesn’t keep up so well unless it’s just because the room is so hot, there isn’t a big enough differential. I’m interested to hear from the other guy.
Radiators are all designed for different things. Some are for high airflow and others are not. The fluid in the radiator changes the rating. Tons of factors can affect the final efficiency and heat exchange rating. Using a pool is nice because its thermal mass is ridiculously large. There's a lot to be said for something like that. I know that kind of setup is popular with miners in Europe. They heat their house water with mining.
@@ltborg is using a pool for mining sustainable long term? wouldn't the water become so hot that it would no longer have cool properties to exchange with the oil?
@@af6727 Depends on the pool size, the ambient conditions the pool is in, the heat level you want in the pool, how many miners you're running, etc. I've seen people use small ponds in the north. They just pump the pond/lake water in, through a heat exchanger/pump/filter setup meant for dirty water, then back to the pond. For them, it's enough thermal mass. My point was more that in some cases it would likely be better, in others it's not. Same with radiators. You can make a car radiator or a wood furance heat exchanger (what I use) work, but it's a compromise that may not scale the way you want. I couldn't run a pool/pond setup here in the Texas desert. The water would be far too hot unless you had a massive underground reservoir you were using. But if you're in parts of Canada or Alaska, I bet it would be a viable option.
la yo tengo una batea con esa separacion, pero como calcule mal la plataforma donde apoya el asic, el asic quedo demasiado arriba y tuve que llenar mas liquido para que quede cubierto, y no se produce ese efecto de cascada, queda todo el aceite al mismo nivel. Es muy necesaria la cascada?
Hey I actually noticed you said you use an acrylic tank for your miner. On the compatibilities list for engineered fluids it states that acrylic has more restricted temperature use ranges (maxing out at 70C or 158F). I'm assuming this means closer to those temperatures the plastic can lose integrity. have you noticed any problems with your tank or weakening in lone-term applications? I'm planning to make my own tank out of fiberglass and use some sort of clear material for a window to see inside and I am asking for materials research related reasons. Thanks!
What pump are you using? and is there anyway a guy like me could get two of those s19 acrylic holding tanks?
Awesome stuff as always 🙂
What do you think is a better option the diy immersion two loop system (obviously costs more) or the ac affinity air cooled?
Well the AC Infinity system uses less space and less electricity and for the most part runs about as cool (of course you can use bigger pumps and radiators to get even cooler temps still in immersion but then you’ll use even more electricity).
An argument could be made that immersion will make your machines last longer, but there’s no reason to think they won’t last infinitely long like the S9’s are still going..
If the build is what interests you most, like me, creating an immersion system is more satisfying!
And of course with the two loop system there are more things you can do with the heat; heated floor, heated driveway, hot water, VS just hot air with the ducted system.
It’s a toss up and the answer is both.
Always such entertaining videos
How many gallons of bitcool are you using? Would you recommend submerging the entire machine or 3qtr like you have?
I’m using a little less than 15 gallons here. And you have to submerge the whole machine, I don’t see where you see it being 3/4ths
@@SPACEDESIGNWAREHOUSE it turns out it’s just really clear and I caught a reflection haha.
Thanks man, I’ve been thinking about something like this for my apartment
What is the relative humidity in the room with your miner? Lowering the rh may increase the effectiveness of your setup
Humidity is 92% here in florida! Is THAT why this fairly big radiator isn’t doing as well as I expect?
How can water molecules be bigger than bitcool? There is 3 atoms in water, ordinary carbohydrates need to be the size of heptane to have the same boiling point. doubt bitcool is less than 3 atoms.
I just spent the last ten minutes looking things up and yeah, I’m not exactly sure why the engineers there told me that. I got that from one of the materials engineers at engineered fluids; he said that a water tight seal wasn’t good enough and that this stuff will find it’s way through and needs a closer tolerance. But everything I’m finding about other dielectrics shows their molecular makeup would have to be larger.
I may have misstated that.
@@SPACEDESIGNWAREHOUSE Its no biggie, im learning a lot from the mistakes you made, i want to try and setup 2-3 miners for my house central heating, very good info on the pumps in your videos. Thanks a bunch mate.
Great project 👍
Can you give me a link to the firmware you use? I just bought a S19j pro and having problems finding something that works with the New controller without SScard! Braiins and Vnish currently do not support it
Awesome video as always keep up the good work
What kind of pump you using, hp? Head? LPM?
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These are March Mdx-mt3 pumps
Wetted materials: Ryton®, Ceramic, Viton™
Maximum flow: 8 GPM
Maximum head: 16'
Not self priming
Good for harsh chemicals
1/2" MPT inlet x 1/2" MPT outlet
1/25 HP, 115v, 50/60 Hz, 1 phase, 1.35 amps, 3450 RPM motor
Amazing work
Open the power supply and remove the three fans, is how is supposed to be runner in immersion.
Would flexible pipes work for this? I guess they possibly cost more, but would simplify connections maybe
Flexible pipes work for the water side really easily, i just had a lot of left over CPVC from a previous thing... But on the bitcool side - there is a material compatibility problem where the only plastic flexible pipes you can use cost a whole lot and are harder to find.
how much did everything cost in total for DIY?
Wow that is complicated.....but using the car radiator like I do was a good start!!!!keep up the good work and discord is enjoyable too..psss pex pipe is WAAAAAAY EASIER!!! to use..and one day I will let the world in on my fluid choice.....cheap and almost everyone can get it in there own towns....think about it....and I haven't seen anyone else use a "worm" in there cooling system yet either hmmm.... although I'm only cooling 4 machines per set up might not work on larger set ups but mine has been working great 👍 Great content!... amazing what a debit card and a garage full of race car parts can produce...entire set up is made of automotive parts minus the SJ,s and piping...if something ever goes wrong only places I have to go is Oriellys auto or Lowe's hardware store and since bitmain is now a double unicorn company (5bill per uni) there's no shortage of machines just hard to pay for lol....
My very first attempt was with a car radiator and flexible tuibing.. but Bitcool can ruin lots of stuff really quick - hopefully your top secret fluid doesnt!
@@SPACEDESIGNWAREHOUSE pex pipe isnt the clear flexable pipe your thinking..its the same as cpvc and used in 85% of new homes...name 2 fluids in a car that cant carry current and is in direct contact with metals and cools as its 2nd purpose...and these arent bio degradable the one i use is great for cleaning rust off my tools too..lol
@@CraigBrosRacing yeah, I am familiar with pex. It is incompatible long term with Bitcool. I don’t know about the effects of antifreeze on pex over long periods of time.
@@SPACEDESIGNWAREHOUSE oh no dont use antifreeze!!!!it will get u killed as current travels well threw it...think the lube that never gets changed until it stops working and i have to rebuild it for you...now theres diff ones and 1 works the best..ford took the color out and now uses it as there bitcool..lol....and if i had to bet knowing the grifter elon is teslas battery cooling fluid is prob the same the with the color removed..
the oil pump where you bought it. Thank you
Hi, does that firmware support S19J Pro? As I see in the page, only S19
Wondering why did you remove the overclock? Did it get too hot you had to go back to stock?
Yep, it was getting too hot. So I wanted to rule that out before I determined this was not going to work.
@@SPACEDESIGNWAREHOUSE I hear you. I'm running it at 106T and my ambient is the same as you. Chip temp is 80C in the sunny morning and 75C in the evening.
@@SPACEDESIGNWAREHOUSE Hey Nick. Just to get it clear, are you saying that on two radiators and pumps, you had one S19JPRO running stock with chip temps in mid-70C?
@@af6727 no, previously, on two radiators and pumps I had one s19j pro overclocked to 120-125TH running in mid 70’s - in florida where ambient heat is over 90f outside.
When it was stock, it would run high 60’s.
On this most recent system there is only one radiator.
@@SPACEDESIGNWAREHOUSE Nice! One last question. Do you remember what was your ambient temp back in Jan,2022 when you had your 2nd build? The one with a high 60C chip temps? It didn't seem as bad as 90F back then
Instead of water, cant you use car coolant?
Do you need to remove thermal paste on the Asic when immersion cooling?
No you do not.
pump link ? specs ? thanks a lot for the messy work! :)
This is the pump www.marchpump.com/pump/mdx-mt3-magnetic-drive-pump/ Youre welcome!!!
what about a Glycol Chiller instead of the Rad setup?
That would work, but in order to keep up with the amount of heat being produced by the miner, you would basically have to match the electrical output of the miner to cool it. So that would become cost prohibitive unless you have extremely cheap power.
Where did you get the tank from? I didn’t see a link
I got that tank from engineeredfluids.com, you’ll have to email them, they do sell them but they’re not on the website. Tell them you heard from me!!:):)
This is almost like quantum computing, where they put the computer in below freezing and take out the oxygen.
What pumps did you use oil ? and Water ?
For oil I use an MDX-MT3 Magnetic Drive Pump. For water, this was an experiment so I just used a cheap submersible plastic pond pump from Amazon. 8 gallons per minute for the water pump.
Do u think this combination handle a hydro miner?
A hydro miner is already maximally cool, and uses a completely different method of liquid cooling. They send the coolant directly into the surface of the chips and back out, so dunking one of those in an immersion tank would offer no additional cooling benefit.
@@SPACEDESIGNWAREHOUSE yes thats true, but i mean the combination of the radiator and cooler and then with a tank + pump a circle of water. i have 2 hydro miner but iam looking for a better options for hot days, i have a air conditioneer and 2x radiators from a car and if 35 grad outside the water is to hot then.
Is it true that my inlet temp (outlet in your case) will read the same as fluid oil temp on a thermometer?
I don’t think so. I think “inlet temp” is the temp of the first row of chips, because my fluid is like high 30’s - 40’s on the way in, but the inlet temps can say 50’s - 60’s
Couldn’t you use pex pipe instead of the glue mess ?
For the water side, yes. But for the Bitcool side, pex is not on the compatibility list.
I was reusing pipes I already had from a previous build, but from scratch I would use pex on the water side.
Hey, where you get your music from?
I get music from Epidemicsound.com
Do you have a link to the pumps you used?
This is the pump www.marchpump.com/pump/mdx-mt3-magnetic-drive-pump/
@@NicholasJamesJohnson awesome thanks! And you win the fastest response award, well done.
are those the pumps used for the water side as well? Seems overkill to buy a chemical pump when a hot water pump would do.
@@OliverKane totally agree, I just had bought two of them for a previous project. You definitely dont need a chemical pump on the water side.
I ended up with a similar problem with my radiator being incapable of dissipating enough heat. Temps for one unit stabilized just under 80 c. Been working on the waterloop but I haven't found a pump that I like That's both for continuous duty, high temps, and also with one inch slip fittings. Closest I find is stuff that does 3/4
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An unfortunate decision made when I was 18. It’s a tattoo of a barcode that is my social security number. It doesn’t scan anymore.
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Please make a video for what % of invested money in youre GPU farm; bitcoin and litecoin miners has returned the inital investment (after electricity)
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Interesting idea! I’ll see what those numbers look like.
I’ve had GPUs for a long time so 100% of that came back, but Bitcoin I haven’t run the numbers
Thanks 🙏
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Have you considered 2-phase cooling - you can buy dielectric fluids with a low boiling point - as it comes into contact with a hot component it evaporates. You immerse your system in an airtight box with e.g. a radiator on an external cold loop sitting in the top and seal it and turn on. The fluid evaporates on the component - you are able to remove much more heat this way - bubbles to the top of the box (so you don't need any fans or pumps to move stuff around, it circulates itself), then recondenses on the e.g. radiator and drips back into the whence it came. result - better cooling, less moving parts / complexity / power... Watch this: ruclips.net/video/5w4vB5P7yxw/видео.html&ab_channel=ThomasCrandall
I’ve seen one of those systems running on a big server rack at Engineered Fluids HQ! I wonder if it can keep up with FAR MORE wattage than just a CPU.. If it scales well that would be a much more efficient system..
Perhaps I need to give it a try!
I was looking at buying a house with a pool recently (in the UK where it is cold) and wondering if I could heat the pool for free with a few bitcoin miners in this way - probably with a distilled water loop going through 2-phase tank and then exchanging heat with pool water loop somewhere away from tank ... to avoid pool water getting anywhere near the miners ! or, distilled water is cheap - you could run this loop all the way out to the pool...
or perhaps run an underfloor heating system from it... miners do not need to turn a profit, just wash their faces and provide lots of free waste heat...
@@SPACEDESIGNWAREHOUSE I think you definitely do - firstly, because it will be a fun project and secondly because I can then copy you :-)
when the dust settles after the halving and a lot of old miners that don't turn much of a profit but might be good for a heating project become available cheaply...
All this for a few pesos per day. Hey good luck!
If you believe in the future of Bitcoin, its WAY more than a few pesos!! Plus, you already pay to heat things, might as well GET paid to heat them, no?
@@SPACEDESIGNWAREHOUSE oh I'm a believer in all crypto, i have over GH on my gpu's. But as a noob miner watching all this immersion stuff and pumps and pipes seems a nightmare for a couple of asic's and probably dangerous if you didn't know what you were doing.😂
@@iamkamsai oh for sure. It’s completely fine to just run them aircooled. These experiments are mostly unnecessary:) But being able to use the heat from the machines is just very interesting to me!
your tubes are too small and the heat exchanger also
When I used this same heat exchanger with my pool, initially, it kept the miners hottest temp in the 60’s! But this radiator can’t keep the water that cool, and so if I changed anything I think it would be a bigger radiator.
But you’re right, more flow would do the trick also; 48c is plenty cool.
the oil pump where you bought it. Thank you
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