There's the problem "The cost to operate the program is more than the revenue from the fines." The county gets $158/citation. If that isn't enough to cover the admin costs then the admin costs are WAY too high.
That's exactly right. The company that makes these cameras has basically been scamming the government with fees. This video talks about it in detail: ruclips.net/video/pH9dnJ8BmY0/видео.html
I'm pretty sure it costs a lot to maintain and monitor. It probably takes an engineer, some sort of IT, and the other admin staff to send out the tickets. That's just the minimum staff, probably more staff hired than that.
The county only gets $128 per ticket issued? Look I am not a fan of red light cameras, but no wonder there is no money for the program! If you know anyone who has gotten a red light ticket from one of those cameras then you know the tickets start at like $600. How he// does the county only get $128!?
I didn't get ticketed by a camera but a police officer ticketed me years ago. My ticket was $450. I paid half and did community service because I had a very low income at the time.
Yes, ppl running through red lights now is a serious problem. But I’ve also noticed that the timing from yellow to red on one red light camera in particular seems faulty. I counted from a distance and it was about 3 seconds, which to me, sets up ppl to get a ticket. So maybe they purposely set it up that way? Sacramento had a problem about the timing of their lights once before.
They're reporting this like it's a bad thing, but it's not. It's a good thing. What it means is that the number of red light runners has decreased so much that the city is no longer issuing enough tickets to pay for the expensive cameras. That means the program has achieved its goal, and it's time to declare victory and pull the plug on it.
Why should “PROFIT” be factored into “Public Safety”? Do they no longer factor in “cost of human life” when determining safety measures? It seems that California abandoned “Victims” long ago.
It's the same as when the government needs to "negotiate" border security. These things should be automatic, and not up for negotiation or budgetary minutia...
@@bill2066 the only reason for these was revenue and except for Elk Grove are only put in more poorer areas. Notice how the white communities don’t have them ?
our governor in Texas banned red light cameras a few years ago. turns out it wasn't about safety, it was source of revenue for smaller towns that had red light cameras...
Basically, the county wants to figure out new rules to come up with that people arent accustomed to so they can raise revenues again through a new income stream of fines
If there has been an 89% DECREASE IN CRASHES, then why is it costing so much to keep them? It's the way the entire state of California is spending money that's why.
because you have to hire engineers to be constantly monitoring 24/7. 40 hours per week per engineer requires at least 4 engineers. at 200k each that's 800k just for engineers. then some photo viewers, maintenance workers, these costs stays no matter how many people gets ticketed
@@gabrielchow1994 I can agree with that said. But, Simply Safe and Ring monitored is roughly $100 per month. I would think the state or any city could replicate the financial area if they wanted to. They don't want to.
Red light camera did not stop people from running red light and increased maintenance cost 2x 3x over year. If need replace new one, going cost alot more.
The government has not been tasked with creating for profit industries from each office. Tree permits, fees, ticketing etc.. nobody voted that this is their purpose. In fact their purpose is to receive all of the tax revenue and dole it out fairly across needed areas, road work, police etc.. so then to collect and run each office for profit on top of that is very awkward.. vulture capitalism.. unsound.. extortion etc
Thank goodness! Finally! A $600 ticket is too extreme for good drivers. The camera companies take most of that money and are corrupt, too. The courts are also not on the side of the drivers.
The key Takeaway on this should be they were installed in 1991, and then they used 2021 as a date to tell how many traffic accidents there were. It was stated that by 2021 the accidents at the fell to 69 per year. What the hell happened in 2020 that would have prevented people from using the roads as much? Maybe tell us what it was in 2018 or 2019 2021
Increase the ticket amount to cover the cost. There were red light cameras in my town and they eventually removed them. Now red light running has become an epidemic. You don’t dare enter an intersection when the light turns green without pausing.
I think the vendor gets a big chunk and then there is the staff that has to review the images and build a case. I believe when the ticket is disputed, the state has the burden to prove it is the driver.
when people run red light they need to understand they put their own lives at risk too and their insurance will have to pay for damage to others when they do so
I'm glad they removed them, it's BS that we live in a nanny State that thinks it's okay to use technology like this in the first place. If anything, deploy more police and don't make it a profit-driven decision. Let them issue warnings to normal people who go a few miles over the limit and tickets to those who actually deserve them for driving dangerously.
The cameras amount to a tax on people in the nehoods that they are in....I went to court for a red light camera ticket..and questioned the officer..He could not tell me how many traffic accidents took place at that intersection in thevpast 12 months and he answered that on that day the camera captured 15 "violations'..that means once every 90 mins..That's ridiculous..It tells me that the traffic light is timed in favor of fining people!! In my case it would have caused an accident if I slowed to stop because of the traffic behind me!! But the judge is impartial to collecting the fine..Meanwhile I spent 1500 to fix my suspension damaged by potholes on the same stretch of road!!! Good riddance.. Traffic cameras are a money grab..They kept them as long as they were making money despite the statistical proof that they don't male roads safer...Los Angles admitted this when they reduced the use of these cameras.
so most people stop so they aren't making money from the tickets so they gotta get rid of it so more people run it and then they get money for tickets...safety...last?
No it was revenue for a Privet company that leased the cameras. they would get $300 for every ticket. then funneled back to city leaders pockets by donations. the company said they did not want to pay the new city leaders so they cut the program.
Woot its a win! Red light cameras causes more accidents because people stop on the brakes before the intersection. Also you can't compare 1999 data to 2020 data. And if it cost more accident the camera was recently taken offline so that means yhe camers were still active when accident spikes.
Good,obviously there not doin shit since they dont even snap enough tickets to support themself.if there were enough tickets from runners they have kept it.dont u love the way they toss a couple of pro camara goons up on screen to try and convince people there help push their point of view but none opposing them .
Whatever safety "improvements" red-light cameras offer - they pale (pale) in comparison to roundabouts and mini-roundabouts. Roundabouts work more effectively than signal-light intersections because signal-light intersections have thirty-two (32) conflict points - while a roundabout has only eight (8). Signal intersections are an antiquated, dangerous, expensive, wasteful regime that is long past retirement. Migrating to roundabouts also uses no electricity or switchgear. All stop sign intersections should also be migrated. ruclips.net/video/X0RcTWEBtYM/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Some of the cameras are far to sensitive and flash at everything. They know this because they won’t send out a ticket. I also bumped into one that was placed at a yield sign and also had a stop here at red. I’m going to see a red yield sign over a white stop on red in the middle of the night while trying to merge. They also need to fix many of the stop signs in older areas and reduce them. There is no need for a 4 way stop on every corner. Roseville has done it correctly especially in almost of the newer neighborhoods.
89% decrease in crashes is a damn lie. Other statistics show they don't prevent anything but do cause traffic congestion. Someone missing a green light by .05 seconds does not cause accidents. By the time the light changes to red and the other light turns green it takes a minimum of 5 seconds for the other car to get out far enough into the intersection to cause an accident. 99% of the drivers take their sweet ass time to get moving when the light turns green. And pedestrians, they need to pay attention to their surroundings because ultimately their safety falls on them.
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There's the problem "The cost to operate the program is more than the revenue from the fines." The county gets $158/citation. If that isn't enough to cover the admin costs then the admin costs are WAY too high.
That's exactly right. The company that makes these cameras has basically been scamming the government with fees. This video talks about it in detail: ruclips.net/video/pH9dnJ8BmY0/видео.html
I find it hard to believe there’s no competition to this service provider.
Sacramento city business manager gets over $400k a year + benefits/vacation, take some of his pay.
ruclips.net/video/pH9dnJ8BmY0/видео.html
Thats not fair! Haven't you heard? One must not criticize a progressive politician!
Bingo, and if they had to get a private sector job they would sink.
Or…. Don’t extort people
So the red light cameras worked and decreased the accidents by 89% witch dropped its revenue to keep it running. Thats a catch 22
It is Government operated. Expect nothing less than the outcome.
Money is worth more than lives
@@joeblow1688 very true
@@joeblow1688they’re operated by a company out of state not government ran
So each camera costs more to maintain than the $86,000 a year it pulls in... Wow!
That's a lot of dollars 🤯
leave it to government to take a cash cow and somehow have it fail through administration costs
ruclips.net/video/pH9dnJ8BmY0/видео.html
a privet company runs the cams they get $300 from the ticket. but then it was funneled to previous city officials no longer with the city.
I'm pretty sure it costs a lot to maintain and monitor. It probably takes an engineer, some sort of IT, and the other admin staff to send out the tickets. That's just the minimum staff, probably more staff hired than that.
It’s not a cash cow you need to Google search this it’s a racket. These are scam companies that run these cameras.
The county only gets $128 per ticket issued? Look I am not a fan of red light cameras, but no wonder there is no money for the program! If you know anyone who has gotten a red light ticket from one of those cameras then you know the tickets start at like $600. How he// does the county only get $128!?
Exactly!
I didn't get ticketed by a camera but a police officer ticketed me years ago. My ticket was $450. I paid half and did community service because I had a very low income at the time.
Tickets are $428 dude
Them tickets are alot more than 158$ try 4-500 range
Yes, ppl running through red lights now is a serious problem. But I’ve also noticed that the timing from yellow to red on one red light camera in particular seems faulty. I counted from a distance and it was about 3 seconds, which to me, sets up ppl to get a ticket. So maybe they purposely set it up that way? Sacramento had a problem about the timing of their lights once before.
its based on speed limit of the road 1 second for evey 10mph so if the speed limit is 30mph the yellow light is 3 seconds long
This matches my experiences. 1 second for every 10 mph.
It has been shown for many years that the length of time from a yellow to red light has been shortened to give more tickets
@@jamesmckay4573 No. It is actually codified as stated above your comment.
Scam
They're reporting this like it's a bad thing, but it's not. It's a good thing. What it means is that the number of red light runners has decreased so much that the city is no longer issuing enough tickets to pay for the expensive cameras. That means the program has achieved its goal, and it's time to declare victory and pull the plug on it.
Sh*t. This actually makes sense! Maybe not to the politicians who started this, but it makes sense to me!
Keep in mind that the 89% decrease in crashes is also because the data was taken in 2021, where there were much less people driving
Covid 19
Yup. Money issues. ...it really highlights the city budget issues.
Why should “PROFIT” be factored into “Public Safety”? Do they no longer factor in “cost of human life” when determining safety measures? It seems that California abandoned “Victims” long ago.
It's the same as when the government needs to "negotiate" border security. These things should be automatic, and not up for negotiation or budgetary minutia...
gotta use the money to buy votes
profit was the incrrect word to use
they gotta use the money to buy votes
@@bill2066 the only reason for these was revenue and except for Elk Grove are only put in more poorer areas.
Notice how the white communities don’t have them ?
You don't need a camera to stop you from running lights
No camera will "stop" a red light runner.
Were you a crack baby or something? @user-rl7mt4gh3o
but the fines could .. that is the point professor@@joeblow1688
They got to pay for the Migrants.
Woowwwww this literally why people be stopping at the red light , this is so crazy
Don't need you taking pictures or video of my vehicles, but getting rid of it because you can't run a budget isn't a good enough reason.
The real answer is driver license regulation and reform.
Just make everything legal, then won't need annoying cops and courts interfering in our lives.
no need for goveremnt then wth!
they showed a stat from a year when way less people were driving due to covid. kind of a misleading stat
Before covid, it was 79% less accidents at these intersections
@@kyledowning3578 the cause isn’t because these cameras though
@taekwoncrawfish9418 so tell me what lead to less red light runners at these intersections? Again, this is before covid happened
@@kyledowning3578 not cameras.
@taekwoncrawfish9418 youre not very good at this are you? You cant just say nope, and have nothing else. Give a reason then
Im so glad they got rid of the scurge of the land
Underrated comment
Effective when? In all of Sacramento county and city?
Elk Grove will still use theirs
our governor in Texas banned red light cameras a few years ago.
turns out it wasn't about safety, it was source of revenue for smaller towns that had red light cameras...
freedom over safety any day 💯
Basically, the county wants to figure out new rules to come up with that people arent accustomed to so they can raise revenues again through a new income stream of fines
It's about time
Placer county doesn't have them
They dont have as much of a problem up there for some reason
Again, NOBODY TO ANSWER TO !!
Simple solution, make running a red light a $60,000 fine.
No body has been worried about safety
If there has been an 89% DECREASE IN CRASHES, then why is it costing so much to keep them? It's the way the entire state of California is spending money that's why.
because you have to hire engineers to be constantly monitoring 24/7. 40 hours per week per engineer requires at least 4 engineers. at 200k each that's 800k just for engineers. then some photo viewers, maintenance workers, these costs stays no matter how many people gets ticketed
@@gabrielchow1994 I can agree with that said. But, Simply Safe and Ring monitored is roughly $100 per month. I would think the state or any city could replicate the financial area if they wanted to. They don't want to.
Red light camera did not stop people from running red light and increased maintenance cost 2x 3x over year. If need replace new one, going cost alot more.
The government has not been tasked with creating for profit industries from each office. Tree permits, fees, ticketing etc.. nobody voted that this is their purpose. In fact their purpose is to receive all of the tax revenue and dole it out fairly across needed areas, road work, police etc.. so then to collect and run each office for profit on top of that is very awkward.. vulture capitalism.. unsound.. extortion etc
$480 each ticket isnt enough. 😂
People are being hit and killed by cars because the majority of them aren’t paying attention and y’all never talk about or report this part.
Cops don't want to risk their lives giving out tickets.
Ban them ALLOVER! Only done for additional REVENUE.
Thank goodness! Finally! A $600 ticket is too extreme for good drivers. The camera companies take most of that money and are corrupt, too. The courts are also not on the side of the drivers.
The key Takeaway on this should be they were installed in 1991, and then they used 2021 as a date to tell how many traffic accidents there were. It was stated that by 2021 the accidents at the fell to 69 per year. What the hell happened in 2020 that would have prevented people from using the roads as much? Maybe tell us what it was in 2018 or 2019 2021
As if the crazy drivers need to know this
Increase the ticket amount to cover the cost. There were red light cameras in my town and they eventually removed them. Now red light running has become an epidemic. You don’t dare enter an intersection when the light turns green without pausing.
This is what I know will happen, ignorant politicians or something.
I think the vendor gets a big chunk and then there is the staff that has to review the images and build a case. I believe when the ticket is disputed, the state has the burden to prove it is the driver.
If he's for them then he can pay for them
Does sacramento ever do anything right?
Do you ever do anything productive rather then crying about a city you probably don’t even live in? Toddler.
This dude is a crybaby troll . Just a bitter right winger with no life. Go live in one of those red states and cry your ass off.
Gov gets $158 per ticket. The fines are in excess of $850?
"The program is losing money" I didn't know every single police program had to turn a profit
when people run red light they need to understand they put their own lives at risk too and their insurance will have to pay for damage to others when they do so
Why dont they just not announce cutting it?
Just shows you it's not about safety, but revenue generation 💰, keep up the bad work 😃🇺🇸⚖️
Do everything completely opposite of what California does and you'd have a perfect state.
I'm glad they removed them, it's BS that we live in a nanny State that thinks it's okay to use technology like this in the first place. If anything, deploy more police and don't make it a profit-driven decision. Let them issue warnings to normal people who go a few miles over the limit and tickets to those who actually deserve them for driving dangerously.
The cameras amount to a tax on people in the nehoods that they are in....I went to court for a red light camera ticket..and questioned the officer..He could not tell me how many traffic accidents took place at that intersection in thevpast 12 months and he answered that on that day the camera captured 15 "violations'..that means once every 90 mins..That's ridiculous..It tells me that the traffic light is timed in favor of fining people!! In my case it would have caused an accident if I slowed to stop because of the traffic behind me!! But the judge is impartial to collecting the fine..Meanwhile I spent 1500 to fix my suspension damaged by potholes on the same stretch of road!!! Good riddance.. Traffic cameras are a money grab..They kept them as long as they were making money despite the statistical proof that they don't male roads safer...Los Angles admitted this when they reduced the use of these cameras.
Nobody actually likes the red light cameras. They only seem good on paper.
Lmao Pucieez trying to act like they actually love getti g $500 tickets 😂
It's a money grab
No money for us to be kept safe. Any idea where this money will now be going?
These lights are never about safety. They don’t prevent anything.
government is wisdom.
What if red light 📸 are banned?
The cameras have made a difference……..additional revenue for politicians.
What is wrong with you people, this is just like calling addicts homeless
Well of the city was smart you wouldn’t advertise the cameras are off should have made people think they were still on
Red light cameras were taken out of service in Rochester NY because the mayor declared them racist.
Well all of sacramentos were put in low income areas
Wahoooo! Free to blaze through lights again!
so most people stop so they aren't making money from the tickets so they gotta get rid of it so more people run it and then they get money for tickets...safety...last?
That whole thing was a scam and revenue for the state
No it was revenue for a Privet company that leased the cameras. they would get $300 for every ticket. then funneled back to city leaders pockets by donations. the company said they did not want to pay the new city leaders so they cut the program.
Yahoo🎉🎉🎉🎉 zipping tomorrow 😊
How much does a human life worth?
At 500 bucks a ticket and they cant recoop that? B.S. I smell politics in this somewhere....
Use a ring door bell camera ten dollars a month, lol.
Got to use the money for all the illegal immigrants
Finally.
Placer county california red light violations
For people that support the camera 📷 start sending check to pay for the programs 😂
I buy California lottery tickets so that, if I win, I can di di mao the the f**k out of California.
wow!! so the hell with the ppl , we need the money. sheesh tell us how you really feel.
Woot its a win! Red light cameras causes more accidents because people stop on the brakes before the intersection. Also you can't compare 1999 data to 2020 data. And if it cost more accident the camera was recently taken offline so that means yhe camers were still active when accident spikes.
budget cuts what else. CA is in a deficit
Taxing everyone besides the politicians can only go so far. If only those stupid politicians like Steinberg and Newsome would understand.
see it isn't about safety it is about money f the police
They cause accidents
Keep voting blue, lol
I will . Because under republican control things would be far more messed up.ill never vote for a crooked do nothing republican.
I will. I’ll never vote for corrupt do nothing republican reps. Delete this comment too little baby.
Under republican things would be far worse. You go ahead and stay bitter and ignorant.
I will. I’ll never vote for corrupt republicans. Things would be far worse under republican control. So keep flagging trolls.
Oh I forgot the “lol” . SMH
Good,obviously there not doin shit since they dont even snap enough tickets to support themself.if there were enough tickets from runners they have kept it.dont u love the way they toss a couple of pro camara goons up on screen to try and convince people there help push their point of view but none opposing them .
Whatever safety "improvements" red-light cameras offer - they pale (pale) in comparison to roundabouts and mini-roundabouts. Roundabouts work more effectively than signal-light intersections because signal-light intersections have thirty-two (32) conflict points - while a roundabout has only eight (8). Signal intersections are an antiquated, dangerous, expensive, wasteful regime that is long past retirement. Migrating to roundabouts also uses no electricity or switchgear. All stop sign intersections should also be migrated. ruclips.net/video/X0RcTWEBtYM/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Roundabouts kind of suck though
Hahaha so this just proves it was never about safety to begin with. It was all about the Benjamin’s
Your 100% right been saying alit of city in the bay area don't use they don't stop nothing
Wacky times we're living in. I know the red light runners love this
Or people that don’t like being extorted
Raise the amount of the violation!!!! Problem solved.
😂😂😂
Some of the cameras are far to sensitive and flash at everything. They know this because they won’t send out a ticket. I also bumped into one that was placed at a yield sign and also had a stop here at red. I’m going to see a red yield sign over a white stop on red in the middle of the night while trying to merge.
They also need to fix many of the stop signs in older areas and reduce them. There is no need for a 4 way stop on every corner. Roseville has done it correctly especially in almost of the newer neighborhoods.
89% decrease in crashes is a damn lie. Other statistics show they don't prevent anything but do cause traffic congestion. Someone missing a green light by .05 seconds does not cause accidents. By the time the light changes to red and the other light turns green it takes a minimum of 5 seconds for the other car to get out far enough into the intersection to cause an accident. 99% of the drivers take their sweet ass time to get moving when the light turns green. And pedestrians, they need to pay attention to their surroundings because ultimately their safety falls on them.
Those weren't safe
the solution is to increase fines
Good good
Ppl already run red lights as it is smh accidents left and right