I Do Love When People Make Up Rules. I was umpiring a game and called a player out whose momentum dragged him off the bag, so I called him out. Coach runs out, he was pushed out- he said. I said it was his momentum. Coach says : So we’re loosing by 10, are really going to call him out for that ? 😇😅😅😅😅😅
If you want to really blow her mind, have a bunt end up sitting on the plate and (correctly) indicate a fair ball. The plate is 100% in fair territory. I know I'm replying to a nine-year-old post, but I can't resist.
@@gil4321Yes, they were yelling foul ball while the ball was still rolling. Unless it hit the batter then it is a live ball and have to wait until it stops rolling or is touched.
Dear parents, The ball is not foul until it is touched in foul territory, the ball lands past 1st or 3rd base in foul territory, hits a fence in foul territory or the ball stops in foul territory. The plate is in fair territory. The ball can land 10 feet out of bounds, hit a rock and roll into fair territory and be a fair ball. Please consult rule 2.00 (Definitions) before raising a ruckus and thinking the umpire doesn't know what he's doing. And screaming at him that "This is a State Tournament" is not going to help your cause either. Thank you.
BTW, I don't believe this is Little League as there are no on-deck batters allowed on the 60 foot diamond. P.S.S. These are great role models for America's Youth. "Look how scrawny he is. Of course he's going to bunt." Running onto the field from the stands to argue with the umpire? Was that a kid who yelled, "Pull your head out blue!"? "He needs to get some glasses on?"
Thank you for putting this up on RUclips. It shows precisely why I can't stand being at a youth baseball game anymore. The stands are full of entitled Karens (many of them men) who don't know the rules, then passively aggressively take their video to the internet because some umpire destroyed their child's self esteem. That and the incident doesn't even take place until halfway through the video.
Not to mention it’s hard to see- It seemed like the kid touched it while it was on Or inside the line. But parents make in no fun, when I teach the kids more about sportsmanship then their parents < it’s sad.
@@alanhess9306 Totally, you got me. What a logical, direct, succinct, comment that addresses my comment and is supported with reason. You support yourself with taxpayer assistance huh?
@@alanhess9306 Did you know, people come to the games just to watch you umpire, the coaches coach, and the parents live vicariously through the players?
It depends on their mood honestly. Sometimes they do get a little bit out of hand but sometimes it’s emotions. They’re probably supportive to their kids. Maybe it’s because they’re pulling for them to win a title.
@@toddharbaugh Let me reiterate. If ANY part of a baseball or softball is touching ANY part of the foul line the ball is fair...UNTIL such time as the ball is entirely in foul territory and no longer touching any part of the line. If you disagree, explain yourself.
The only thing "bad" or "unfair" here is the fact that this many people who claim to be baseball fans don't know the rules, and that this video is on youtube...
holy crap, yall need to pick up a rule book... Title should read more like "Parents/coach don't know baseball rules, leads to a well deserved ejection"
I watched the call a few times. I'm assuming you (the mom) think the ball is foul because it rolled in foul territory. By rule, the ball is fair/foul where it is first touched, or where it crosses 1st/3rd base. That's why the ump, "let it roll". It hasn't even touched, and when the 1st baseman touched it, it was in fair territory.
they have no clue of any of the rules just watching a game in softball fast pitch usa/asa touarment parents didn't know why third base lady was called out (left bag early) and than didn't understand runner interefrence for 2nd base lady to field a ball she was out... didn't understand that
+22rock91 yes to a point say the ball stayed on home plate fair ball... say the ball hit plate but went into foul than touch foul ball it just matters where it is I can't even tell by video and the mother should go umpire
I had a play 2 weeks ago that reminded me of this video. Middle School JV game. The ball was popped up about half way between Home and 3rd base. The 3rd baseman, Catcher, and Pitcher all realized they couldn't get to it so they let it drop. The ball lands about 2-3 feet in fair territory. Then on the bounce it goes about 7-8' in the air angling to the foul line. The 3rd baseman, standing in fair territory, reaches across the foul line and catches the ball in the air before it lands again. The ball when he caught it was in foul territory. So I call "FOUL!!!!". Manager (also coaching 3rd base) comes to me and wants to argue the ball was fair. First he argues the ball last bounced in fair territory. Why yes coach it did, but it was touched when it was in foul territory. We call signal Fair or call Foul based on where the ball is when it is touched if it is before passing any infield bags. Then he wants to argue the player was standing in fair territory. Well, where the player is standing is irrelevant. It's where the ball is when it is touched. So yes, I am getting an earful from the parents of the team as well. Which I ignore. No profanity, let them talk. I get another game for the same JV team a week and a half later. Coach comes over to me before the game. "Blue, I owe you an apology, you were right about that call". Bottom line is everyone THINKS they know the rules more than anyone else does. As an umpire I do my best to know the rules and enforce them accordingly. Have I ever messed up a rule or blown a call? Of course. But that is part of being human. It happens. At the end of the day, it's just a game. I tell the Junior umpires I work with all the time, if a MLB umpire who trains year round can make a mistake, then you can't expect to be perfect either. Perhaps coaches and parents should consider that as well before they act like the people in this video.
That assistant who came charging out of the bench area could have been dumped the second he stepped on the playing field. One great maxim of officiating is this: assistant coaches have no rights when it comes to talking to officials.
If I or any of my umpire buddies were calling this game, you'd likely see it ended on a forfeit as soon as that parent came on the field to argue. Absolutely no call for that, and isn't tolerated at any level. Poor showing, and that man should be completely ashamed. Those whose voices are on the camera ought to be ashamed, too. Horrible examples displayed for their kids. Name-calling, belittling, yelling ... seriously. The guy was doing all he could - he was a lone umpire on that game.
If this is a "state tournament", then why is the umpire working by himself? If there is a tournament berth on the line, why wouldn't your league cough up the extra money to get some base umpires? An extra set of eyes may have been a big help in that situation. And good for the umpire for tossing the four beer bellys that charged him and made idiots out of themselves. Just watch how the kids reacted, and you see why the "adults" deserved to be tossed. What we need is more umpires to refuse to work alone in games like these.
Extra set of eyes wouldn't have helped really. Even in a two man system there was a runner on third so the base umpire would have been out by the shortstop, the plate umpire has the call. I don't mind working alone as long as your fundamentals are sound. He didn't take his mask off to call the ball. But it does look like the ball is on the line when the fielder grabs it which makes it a fair ball. Not sure who the person is screaming in the background, but the call looks right.
happens sometimes... with lower age level they will use one umpire till the finals with older girls they want to use two and for championship they used three umpires
OK, I watched this again today...interesting how, after like the second or third base on balls, the 2nd baseman throws his arms up in the air in disbelief (at about 4:25)...that's a sing of poor sportsmanship yet to come. Nothing in the video supports that the ball was foul. The umpire's non-call, and pointing to fair territory are exactly what he should have done. As I wrote two years ago...the ejection was ABSOLUTELY fair.
As a 15 year old ump for my local league, I can tell you umpire abuse is our leagues biggest propblem. It causes a shortage of umps, which starts a butterfly effect. It pisses me off to see parnets going off at other umps and me. The only way to prevent ump abuse is to have the parents learn the rules themselves. Shameful display by the parents.
Bullshit! Umps being biased, not paying attention, not calling a fair game, making bad calls are the reason for the problems you and other umps face. All parents do is try to keep umps honest, like any other fan. If y’all don’t suck then you don’t get ragged on. See how that works?!
Sorry to tell you man but unfortunately that’s what happens. Even in the MLB these umpires are gonna get an earful from fans everywhere. I understand you’re mad at the parents but the reality is if you make a bad call it could be a disaster of a game.
@@williamnowacki There is a world of difference between a professional umpire and a guy doing youth baseball. Heckling a guy whose _job_ it is to call a game, who receives tons of training, has the benefit of having three other guys on the field, who gets to see world class players, and laughs all the way to the bank isn't really all that similar to piling on a guy who rushed to get to the game site from his regular job so the kids could play, all for like $60.
1. The ball can start in foul territory and then roll fair. That is a fair ball. 2. The plate and the foul line are in fair territory. 3. Even if the call were wrong this is hardly an "unfair ejection." I would have tossed that coach as soon as he started gesturing and jumping all around. And the assistants would have been gone before they even reached the plate. I appreciate the umpire probably gave them rope given the level of the game, but that was a well-deserved ejection.
I love when parents say that we umpires "DON'T KNOW THE RULES" when we get a call wrong or it didn't benefit them, as an umpire we know the game more than anyone else on the field so SHUSH. I'm sorry parents are the absolute worst nowadays and they're only getting worse.
Bad coaches and fans gets coaches ejected. There fixed the title for you. We understand rules are hard, and fans and coaches don't have time to understand them. It is just easier to yell and scream then actually understand the rules. Well done ump, you didn't make enough for your time this day.
This team is lucky it's just a few ejections. So many things I see wrong here ... where to begin? A foul ball is not out of play. A ball out of play is out of play. A foul ball is still playable, but is a "dead ball" once declared foul. A foul ball is not a foul ball until it comes to rest in foul territory or passes first or third base in foul territory. A slow roller that starts in foul ground can become fair. That's the case at every single level of baseball.
If any part of that ball is touching the line it is in fair territory! If the ball starts out foul then becomes fair...guess what fair ball. I would love to see some of these parents put on all the gear we put on and umpire in the heat. Dont like it. Pull your son. Get in the car go home!
As an Umpire myself the ONLY person that can question a call is the head coach. At any point if a parent or someone other than a head coach comes out they are sent back to the dugout or ejected.
Parents like this make me sick, you make it such a big deal when we're here for the kids. I officiate Water Polo and there are people who don't know the rules that scream over them. If you guys complain, why don't you umpire? If the umpiring is so bad then umpire then please, it's not easy.
because complaining, whining and over obsessing over your kids' crappy athletic skills like he will play in MLB is much easier than umpiring, refereeing or officiating or even coaching for that matter. Squawk boxes all over the USA.
As a St Louis Cardinal fan, I remember the infamous 6th game of the "I-70 World Series." Months later, my friends and I got to meet Whitey Herzog and as he signed our baseball cards, we told him it was a lousy call. "That's baseball, boys," was his reply. When my son asks me now if a call was "really out" I tell him, it is what the ump calls it. After all, that's baseball.
This is just so much different than MLB though, people complain so much about why their kid didn't get the fair call and they hardly understand the game. At MLB level people understand the game and understand the level of respect/ arguing with the coach. Even in MLB they understand that one head coach (the manager head honcho) can talk to the umpire. He can do what he wants I guess, but not more than one person comes out at a time. Here, this is just plain ignorance for the rules and the conduct. These are kids for god sake's they're not even at the MLB level yet. You have 5 adults coming out screaming and crying over what? There's one or two umpires in this game and he has to take all that shit. Kids, understand that umpiring is a hard job, why don't you guys give it a shot sometime and have 4 coaches plus 3 whiny bitchy parents come to you about how bad the umpiring was. Everyone's human, but there is just no tolerance for this sorta thing at this level. People need to show respect at all levels and know the rules.
It looked to me like the kid picked up the ball while it was on the chalk, meaning it's a fair ball. Hard to tell with the video quality, though. It is interesting that the parents are yelling "fowell ball" before the ball was even touched.
As an umpire, I am often amused at coaches & parents who think they know the game and then say things that clearly show that they do not have a clue. Unlike other sports, baseball is a game of rules and has one of the largest rule books of any sport. If I had a dime for every coach that says "I Know, I'm an UMPIRE!" I then ask him if ther can be 8 outs in an inning. Only at the college level have the coaches said YES. Most parents Know even less. No Scholarships were decided on this play.
Foul Ball is in play? Wow, that's a unknowledgable parent. Judging by the parents, I guess I can't be surprised to hear little kids even saying stuff about the umpire. No wonder the world is going to hell. Plus, that umpire should've taken control and not just stood there and let everyone argue.
"Where do you get your umps?!" The truth is more and more umps have left the game because of parents and coaches like this. No MLB or college scouts are in the stands and no little Johnnies are missing any contracts based on this single call, or this game. Perhaps if the coaches and parents didn't overreact so much more interest in umpiring would exist and you could've had a 2nd umpire at this game to discuss the call. For what it's worth I don't see anything that leads me to believe the ball was foul, including when the first baseman reaches down and scoops the ball on the line or even within fair territory. The umpire doesn't signal until the baseman grabs the ball. That leads me to believe he grabbed it in fair territory or while the ball was on the line.
Looking back at this video, it's still absolutely impossible to tell 100% where the ball is. Blame the ump all you want, but the ump is not at fault when, a batter or so later, the team decided to throw a ball into right field and allow everyone to take a trip around the bases. Do your jobs and coach, coaches.
People complaining about the ball first hitting the plate, then being fielded by a player, last time I looked at the rule book home plate is in FAIR territory.
Headline is wrong on both counts: It's a good call (ball can start foul and end up fair, and the plate is in fair territory); and the ejection is anything but unfair (in fact, I would have tossed a few more). Oh, and the parents are once again embarrassing idiots.
Too bad you don't have a clue about the rules of baseball. If a ball in foul territory rolls into fair territory (including on the line) before it passes third/first, and before it is touched, it is a fair ball.
I think everyone has pretty well covered that the umpire's call is correct and there is no evidence short of being able to see where the ball lays when touched (let alone just see the ball in this video) to prove otherwise. What I want to know is why that first base coach didn't get his runner going to second real fast. That play is live and the coaches are on the field before time is called. As a former coach, I would have recognized the immediate distraction and kept him going. Free base, maybe more. As a current umpire, if I see that runner round the base as the coaches come out and am forced to call time to get control of the situation, I am awarding the runner 2nd base for coaches interference with the play by coming out of the dugout with a live ball.
1) Arguing judgement calls specifically calls for ejection by rule. 2) They are using a one umpire system, so why are they arguing? There is no other umpire to discuss things with. 3) As stated before, any parent entering the field is gone. 4) Any coach that reaches down like he did, showing me up, ejected.
First of all, it was not a bad call. Secondly, there is nothing unfair about a parent running onto the field to argue a call and then getting appropriately ejected
The ball can be foul and roll into fair territory or on the line (which is fair territory) before a player touches it. In order for a ball to be foul, a player either has to touch it in foul territory or has to stop moving in foul territory. If it gets back into fair territory before it crosses either third or first and is not touched in foul territory it is fair.
The OP should be ejected from RUclips for posting a 10 minute video with about 1:20 seconds of content that had even a little bit to do with the title. The ball was fair. The lines are fair ground, as is the plate. He did everything properly except taking off his mask.
This is the biggest problem in youth sports and one of the biggest reasons there are not as many umpires as they should be. Please tell me where the unfair ejection was. The HC can call time and ask about a call. Someone comes out and screams they are leaving. End of discussion.
+AbsoluteWrestlingFed The umpire has no authority to eject fans. There is nothing in any rulebook to allow that. However, an umpire can demand that the site administrator remove a fan. That is the way it is done in the real world.
We can see where the player picks up the ball in fair grounds- Foul lines are from back of home plate corner- If ball stops ontop of home plate, you have a fair ball
I can't tell if the ball stopped on or outside the line, or if it hit the plate or batter's box because this quality isn't good enough, so I can't say if it was fair or foul, but the players should know to touch a foul ball as quickly as they can if they want it to be foul
I'm an umpire, the only reason I could think of if the ball truly stopped out of bounds would be the line is not straight or someone made contact with the ball in bounds but that's probably un likely. But the players need to remember to play it like a fair ball
Down side is you often get base lines that are not straight. I'm not talking winding baseline but a little wiggle in it sometimes. If the baseline was real bad, I would have the Home Team reline before starting. Otherwise, Home to 1st and Home to 3rd the line is your determining factor in fair / foul straight or not.
As a coach, I have a code of conduct for all coaches that must be signed, a different code of conduct for the players that must be signed, and most importantly, a code of conduct that the parents must be signed. One of those rules is "Learn the rules of the game". Bad behavior aside, the vast majority of crap that comes from parents in the stands is a result of not knowing the rules, and looking like complete idiots when the umpire is actually doing the right thing.
i had a play like this last week. The ball started foul and kicked fair. The issue, to me, are the parents berating what looks like a teenager. Umpires are quitting because of this garbage.
So its a foul ball by state tournament rules what does that mean? clearly parents have tehre heads up there butts here. and are an embbarsment to the game of baseball. the only time it matters where it lands is in the outfield. the ball could go into foul and into fair and be touch fair it be fair ball. if touch in foul it be foul ball. the plate is fair. if stays on the plate... its fair (i screw one up call this year called a foul to quick felt bad)
Nobody told the catcher not to throw it to first but complained he did throw it. Then the parents told him he was doing everything right!! Two problems. No one said hold the ball, and if you tell your kid he is an amazing baseball player and is doing everything right when he makes a mistake, he won't learn to do it right. 2 tips: DO NOT LISTEN TO THE CROWD, LISTEN TO THE COACHES. If your coach gets ejected, STILL DO NOT LISTEN TO THE CROWD!!!!!
We do not get paid near enough to deal with this. I wish more than anything I could stop some games and wheel out a whiteboard and run a short rules clinic on a play that the baseball moms were losing their minds about.
These parents obviously don't known the rules. I heard one say the ball hit the plate. The whole plate is in fair territory and if the ball sits on the line it's a fair ball. I'm an umpire myself and have been doing it for 7 years
Really can't see the ball very well, but all the coaches are pointing at the plate, which leads me to believe they have no idea what they're arguing about. The plate is FAIR first off; secondly, the ball hitting the plate has nothing to do with it anyways, even though at least one mom clearly says "the ball hit the plate" as if that has anything to do with it. As far as the ejection goes, you've got four guys charging the umpire, right there an experienced ump would have put a stop to that immediately. After that, you've got the guy that gets tossed clearly is arguing, starts walking away and turns and shouts something back at the umpire, which is where he got tossed. Totally deserved.
lol its been 5 years since I first watched this and for some reason RUclips wanted me to see it again. To be honest I forgot about this. But, watching it again, I see a bunch of coaches arguing about *something* at the plate, which makes me think they're trying to argue it was foul because it hit the plate. I see no indication that the ball is foul (or fair). But I do see a whole lot of coaches storming the umpire, who looks like he's doing the game solo. Bottom line, looks to me like the call was probably right, but regardless the ejection was most definitely deserved. Oh, and I'll work on the anyway/anyways thing...
Further would like to add that all the parents totally confused the catcher earlier on when he was deciding where to throw the ball on the throw from right field. Parents need to stfu and let the coaches and kids freaking play. If they make a bad decision the coaches will teach the kid what to do in the future in a similar situation. Each year our coach had the same speech with all of our parents. "If you yell into the field and tell your kid what to do or if you yell at blue ever; your kid will not play the rest of that game or the next, if you do it again after, your kid is off the team." Parents do not not know how to control themselves.
Whatever the guy that gets ejected is upset about at home plate has nothing to do with if the ball is fair or foul. I'm not really clear why the umpire never says, "so what?" to him about whatever he's jacked up about.
A) If anyone says they can see the ball on this video is lying. B) It looks as if this ump is calling this game by himself, that's hard at any level. C) Parents have NO business on the field at any time.(I get it if your kid gets hurt, I'm not going to say anything about it then) D) The kids should have been taught to play every ball like it's fair. E) I would totally be for parents being banned to the outfield fence, parents ruin youth sports. F) Complaining about a call does nothing!
ahhh, look at all of these current umpires doing their jobs :) I wonder why none of these stand officials arent getting called for games? I mean there sure is a lot of them.
Here's the problems I see with this play...1) only 1 umpire, if the parents and teams don't like it, pay for a 2nd umpire or they can learn to be an umpire and help fill the vacancies...2) the coach with the black jacket that came on the field should've been ejected as soon as he stepped on the field, only 1 coach can represent a team during discussions with umpires...3) the 3rd base coach should've been sent back to his box right away...4) 4 players came to home plate to argue the call at the 6min mark, they should've all been ordered back to their position immediately...5) the dads against the fence should've been sent away immediately, the head coach should've been warned to control his parents for inciting. Either he controls his parents or he gets ejected.
so i was able to edit the picture and the ball is right over the line that has despaired in the area. the ball is clearly fair and about to go into glove in photo i have i try to load it up zoom in
So much for the rules. Every kid who left their position to complain should be, by rule, ejected immediately. The parent that left the stands to get on the field should be removed from the field and the stands immediately. The coaches who continued to argue (initial arguing not bad, continued arguing is) should be ejected or restricted to the dugout (NFHS allows restriction).
" You call clearly see the ball above his head and out of play." you cannot clearly see the ball. The video is a line so much. I remember i had a coach try to argue over a fair ball that was on the line.
Learn the rules of baseball before you incorrectly criticize an official. By the way, the call was correct....you got it all on tape...congratulations. Ask yourself, how did all of your unfair criticism and arguing contribute to these boys having fun and enjoy playing baseball? Shame on you.
Why is a parent running out on the field! That should have been an ejection from the tourney! That is ridiculous! I have been on the end of a ton of bad calls this season! A ton! Judgment calls can not be argued. You can ask what they seen, but that is really it. Rule misses, bring $100 and protest the call! But that parent running out on the field is R I D I C U L O U S!
Look, yes umpires can make mistakes quite often. That DOES NOT give anyone, including players, coaches, or parents, to yell at any umpire. If the coach or a parent or player has a question about a call, calmly walk up to the ump and say, "Hey, why did you call it this way?" The call the ump made is a JUDGMENT call. No one may argue these. This also dose not give the right to use poor sportsmanship period. Please show umpires respect. I myself am an umpire and I told the coaches and I earned my repect.
It's ironic, the same parents who want every kid to have participation trophies are the ones that get the nuttiest during the games! If everyone is a winner, why do you get nuts on a blown call?
haha i didn't realize how stupid parents are until i watch another umpire do his work from a spectators point of view i was laughing at this whole thing! haha and a judgement call by an umpire is final your not going to get it over turned! btw it was a fair ball! haha
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'It doesn't matter because it hit the plate.' Best quote ever. Thanks for your extensive knowledge of the game ma'am.
I Do Love When People Make Up Rules.
I was umpiring a game and called a player out whose momentum dragged him off the bag, so I called him out.
Coach runs out, he was pushed out- he said.
I said it was his momentum.
Coach says :
So we’re loosing by 10, are really going to call him out for that ?
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@@rustytrip3458 I love when the coaches argument changes when they realize that their purpose for discussing a play is invalid.
If you want to really blow her mind, have a bunt end up sitting on the plate and (correctly) indicate a fair ball. The plate is 100% in fair territory.
I know I'm replying to a nine-year-old post, but I can't resist.
@@gil4321Yes, they were yelling foul ball while the ball was still rolling. Unless it hit the batter then it is a live ball and have to wait until it stops rolling or is touched.
Dear parents,
The ball is not foul until it is touched in foul territory, the ball lands past 1st or 3rd base in foul territory, hits a fence in foul territory or the ball stops in foul territory. The plate is in fair territory. The ball can land 10 feet out of bounds, hit a rock and roll into fair territory and be a fair ball.
Please consult rule 2.00 (Definitions) before raising a ruckus and thinking the umpire doesn't know what he's doing. And screaming at him that "This is a State Tournament" is not going to help your cause either.
Thank you.
BTW, I don't believe this is Little League as there are no on-deck batters allowed on the 60 foot diamond.
P.S.S. These are great role models for America's Youth. "Look how scrawny he is. Of course he's going to bunt." Running onto the field from the stands to argue with the umpire? Was that a kid who yelled, "Pull your head out blue!"? "He needs to get some glasses on?"
Thank you for putting this up on RUclips. It shows precisely why I can't stand being at a youth baseball game anymore. The stands are full of entitled Karens (many of them men) who don't know the rules, then passively aggressively take their video to the internet because some umpire destroyed their child's self esteem.
That and the incident doesn't even take place until halfway through the video.
Not to mention it’s hard to see-
It seemed like the kid touched it while it was on Or inside the line.
But parents make in no fun, when I teach the kids more about sportsmanship then their parents < it’s sad.
Spoken like an umpire with authority and zero ability, talent, work ethic, and entitle to be right, even if you are wrong.
@@jimdoe1694 Except he is right and you are clueless.
@@alanhess9306 Totally, you got me. What a logical, direct, succinct, comment that addresses my comment and is supported with reason. You support yourself with taxpayer assistance huh?
@@alanhess9306 Did you know, people come to the games just to watch you umpire, the coaches coach, and the parents live vicariously through the players?
Parents are the biggest issue in these games.
It depends on their mood honestly. Sometimes they do get a little bit out of hand but sometimes it’s emotions.
They’re probably supportive to their kids. Maybe it’s because they’re pulling for them to win a title.
A title? These kids are probably 9 or so!!!
Other than trash lazy umpires.
@@jimdoe1694 BS. This video proves how completely stupid parents are.
if the ball is on the line IT IS A FAIR BALL.
If the ball is touching ANY part of the line, it is fair.
@@jumperguy9867 nope the entire line is in fair territory, anything past that is foul
@@toddharbaugh Let me reiterate. If ANY part of a baseball or softball is touching ANY part of the foul line the ball is fair...UNTIL such time as the ball is entirely in foul territory and no longer touching any part of the line. If you disagree, explain yourself.
@@jumperguy9867 if any part of the ball is OVER the line. It doesn't have to touch.
@@pauledge1621 this is correct! it does not have to touch, only is visually over the line.
The only thing "bad" or "unfair" here is the fact that this many people who claim to be baseball fans don't know the rules, and that this video is on youtube...
Did I hear that right...the mom said it's foul because it hit the plate???? Good God...
First thing I see is this guy hanging over the fence, then charging the Umpire. Eject..
I can't believe this video is still up. The umpire made the right call.
You know that how?
holy crap, yall need to pick up a rule book... Title should read more like "Parents/coach don't know baseball rules, leads to a well deserved ejection"
The parent that entered the field should be ejected and made to leave the sports complex.
This is ridiculous, parents have no clue what the rules are. Coach’s are idiots fir not understanding
You're a pretty awful person to try to call an umpire out like this.
Because umpires are so important and people go to the games to watch them?
I watched the call a few times. I'm assuming you (the mom) think the ball is foul because it rolled in foul territory. By rule, the ball is fair/foul where it is first touched, or where it crosses 1st/3rd base. That's why the ump, "let it roll". It hasn't even touched, and when the 1st baseman touched it, it was in fair territory.
they have no clue of any of the rules just watching a game in softball fast pitch usa/asa touarment parents didn't know why third base lady was called out (left bag early) and than didn't understand runner interefrence for 2nd base lady to field a ball she was out... didn't understand that
The umpire made the right call. As an umpire you are taught to wait. That ball might kick fair. He waited and did the right thing.
Someone also stated that the ball hit home plate. Read the rule book, home plate is in Fair Territory!!
+22rock91 yes to a point say the ball stayed on home plate fair ball... say the ball hit plate but went into foul than touch foul ball it just matters where it is I can't even tell by video and the mother should go umpire
Bunch of poorly behaved adults who don't know what they're doing.
I had a play 2 weeks ago that reminded me of this video. Middle School JV game. The ball was popped up about half way between Home and 3rd base. The 3rd baseman, Catcher, and Pitcher all realized they couldn't get to it so they let it drop. The ball lands about 2-3 feet in fair territory. Then on the bounce it goes about 7-8' in the air angling to the foul line. The 3rd baseman, standing in fair territory, reaches across the foul line and catches the ball in the air before it lands again. The ball when he caught it was in foul territory. So I call "FOUL!!!!". Manager (also coaching 3rd base) comes to me and wants to argue the ball was fair. First he argues the ball last bounced in fair territory. Why yes coach it did, but it was touched when it was in foul territory. We call signal Fair or call Foul based on where the ball is when it is touched if it is before passing any infield bags. Then he wants to argue the player was standing in fair territory. Well, where the player is standing is irrelevant. It's where the ball is when it is touched. So yes, I am getting an earful from the parents of the team as well. Which I ignore. No profanity, let them talk. I get another game for the same JV team a week and a half later. Coach comes over to me before the game. "Blue, I owe you an apology, you were right about that call". Bottom line is everyone THINKS they know the rules more than anyone else does. As an umpire I do my best to know the rules and enforce them accordingly. Have I ever messed up a rule or blown a call? Of course. But that is part of being human. It happens. At the end of the day, it's just a game. I tell the Junior umpires I work with all the time, if a MLB umpire who trains year round can make a mistake, then you can't expect to be perfect either. Perhaps coaches and parents should consider that as well before they act like the people in this video.
Both the ball and the ejection look fair
And you would have to be ignorant to use this video to make that determination.
"IT WAS A TOTAL UMP CALL"
uhhh, you mean, how baseball works?
"it doesn't matter because it hit the plate" THE CRINGE
IF THE BALL HITS IN THE BATTERS BOX AND IS NOT TOUCHED. AND GOES INTO FAIR TERRITORY IT IS A FAIR BALL.
The only thing wrong with this video is that all 4 coaches are gaining up on the umpire. ONLY THE MANAGERS ARE ALLOWED TO TALK TO THE UMPIRE!
Parents talking that don't know anything about baseball.
That assistant who came charging out of the bench area could have been dumped the second he stepped on the playing field. One great maxim of officiating is this: assistant coaches have no rights when it comes to talking to officials.
Incorrect. In many of my leagues, umps will allow the assistant coaches to argue calls. I’m an imp.
If I or any of my umpire buddies were calling this game, you'd likely see it ended on a forfeit as soon as that parent came on the field to argue. Absolutely no call for that, and isn't tolerated at any level. Poor showing, and that man should be completely ashamed. Those whose voices are on the camera ought to be ashamed, too. Horrible examples displayed for their kids. Name-calling, belittling, yelling ... seriously. The guy was doing all he could - he was a lone umpire on that game.
It's a youtube video so you can't really see the ball, but from where he picks it up, it looks fair.
If this is a "state tournament", then why is the umpire working by himself? If there is a tournament berth on the line, why wouldn't your league cough up the extra money to get some base umpires? An extra set of eyes may have been a big help in that situation. And good for the umpire for tossing the four beer bellys that charged him and made idiots out of themselves. Just watch how the kids reacted, and you see why the "adults" deserved to be tossed. What we need is more umpires to refuse to work alone in games like these.
Extra set of eyes wouldn't have helped really. Even in a two man system there was a runner on third so the base umpire would have been out by the shortstop, the plate umpire has the call. I don't mind working alone as long as your fundamentals are sound. He didn't take his mask off to call the ball. But it does look like the ball is on the line when the fielder grabs it which makes it a fair ball. Not sure who the person is screaming in the background, but the call looks right.
happens sometimes... with lower age level they will use one umpire till the finals with older girls they want to use two and for championship they used three umpires
OK, I watched this again today...interesting how, after like the second or third base on balls, the 2nd baseman throws his arms up in the air in disbelief (at about 4:25)...that's a sing of poor sportsmanship yet to come. Nothing in the video supports that the ball was foul. The umpire's non-call, and pointing to fair territory are exactly what he should have done. As I wrote two years ago...the ejection was ABSOLUTELY fair.
As a 15 year old ump for my local league, I can tell you umpire abuse is our leagues biggest propblem. It causes a shortage of umps, which starts a butterfly effect. It pisses me off to see parnets going off at other umps and me. The only way to prevent ump abuse is to have the parents learn the rules themselves. Shameful display by the parents.
Bullshit! Umps being biased, not paying attention, not calling a fair game, making bad calls are the reason for the problems you and other umps face. All parents do is try to keep umps honest, like any other fan. If y’all don’t suck then you don’t get ragged on. See how that works?!
Sorry to tell you man but unfortunately that’s what happens.
Even in the MLB these umpires are gonna get an earful from fans everywhere. I understand you’re mad at the parents but the reality is if you make a bad call it could be a disaster of a game.
Please say strong. I started at 15.. in 1975. . I still Umpire 48 years later. For the love of the game.
@@williamnowacki There is a world of difference between a professional umpire and a guy doing youth baseball. Heckling a guy whose _job_ it is to call a game, who receives tons of training, has the benefit of having three other guys on the field, who gets to see world class players, and laughs all the way to the bank isn't really all that similar to piling on a guy who rushed to get to the game site from his regular job so the kids could play, all for like $60.
Don't make bad calls then, don't get paid to be wrong and never improve.
1. The ball can start in foul territory and then roll fair. That is a fair ball.
2. The plate and the foul line are in fair territory.
3. Even if the call were wrong this is hardly an "unfair ejection." I would have tossed that coach as soon as he started gesturing and jumping all around. And the assistants would have been gone before they even reached the plate. I appreciate the umpire probably gave them rope given the level of the game, but that was a well-deserved ejection.
I love when parents say that we umpires "DON'T KNOW THE RULES" when we get a call wrong or it didn't benefit them, as an umpire we know the game more than anyone else on the field so SHUSH. I'm sorry parents are the absolute worst nowadays and they're only getting worse.
How is an ejection unfair? You can't argue fair/foul. He did. He gone
Bad coaches and fans gets coaches ejected. There fixed the title for you. We understand rules are hard, and fans and coaches don't have time to understand them. It is just easier to yell and scream then actually understand the rules. Well done ump, you didn't make enough for your time this day.
This team is lucky it's just a few ejections. So many things I see wrong here ... where to begin?
A foul ball is not out of play. A ball out of play is out of play. A foul ball is still playable, but is a "dead ball" once declared foul.
A foul ball is not a foul ball until it comes to rest in foul territory or passes first or third base in foul territory. A slow roller that starts in foul ground can become fair. That's the case at every single level of baseball.
If any part of that ball is touching the line it is in fair territory! If the ball starts out foul then becomes fair...guess what fair ball. I would love to see some of these parents put on all the gear we put on and umpire in the heat. Dont like it. Pull your son. Get in the car go home!
As an Umpire myself the ONLY person that can question a call is the head coach. At any point if a parent or someone other than a head coach comes out they are sent back to the dugout or ejected.
i agree as an ump the only coach i'm gonna talk to is the head coach period, not wasting my time talking to the whole coaching staff, lol
I know, how anyone dare question your authority. People come to the games to watch you umpire.
Parents like this make me sick, you make it such a big deal when we're here for the kids. I officiate Water Polo and there are people who don't know the rules that scream over them. If you guys complain, why don't you umpire? If the umpiring is so bad then umpire then please, it's not easy.
because complaining, whining and over obsessing over your kids' crappy athletic skills like he will play in MLB is much easier than umpiring, refereeing or officiating or even coaching for that matter. Squawk boxes all over the USA.
As a St Louis Cardinal fan, I remember the infamous 6th game of the "I-70 World Series." Months later, my friends and I got to meet Whitey Herzog and as he signed our baseball cards, we told him it was a lousy call. "That's baseball, boys," was his reply. When my son asks me now if a call was "really out" I tell him, it is what the ump calls it. After all, that's baseball.
This is just so much different than MLB though, people complain so much about why their kid didn't get the fair call and they hardly understand the game. At MLB level people understand the game and understand the level of respect/ arguing with the coach. Even in MLB they understand that one head coach (the manager head honcho) can talk to the umpire. He can do what he wants I guess, but not more than one person comes out at a time. Here, this is just plain ignorance for the rules and the conduct. These are kids for god sake's they're not even at the MLB level yet. You have 5 adults coming out screaming and crying over what? There's one or two umpires in this game and he has to take all that shit. Kids, understand that umpiring is a hard job, why don't you guys give it a shot sometime and have 4 coaches plus 3 whiny bitchy parents come to you about how bad the umpiring was. Everyone's human, but there is just no tolerance for this sorta thing at this level. People need to show respect at all levels and know the rules.
Aaron Davis Great reply, also you should read Matheny's little league manifesto. It is a great thing to read! it is online if you look it up.
It looked to me like the kid picked up the ball while it was on the chalk, meaning it's a fair ball. Hard to tell with the video quality, though. It is interesting that the parents are yelling "fowell ball" before the ball was even touched.
As an umpire, I am often amused at coaches & parents who think they know the game and then say things that clearly show that they do not have a clue. Unlike other sports, baseball is a game of rules and has one of the largest rule books of any sport. If I had a dime for every coach that says "I Know, I'm an UMPIRE!" I then ask him if ther can be 8 outs in an inning. Only at the college level have the coaches said YES. Most parents Know even less. No Scholarships were decided on this play.
Foul Ball is in play? Wow, that's a unknowledgable parent. Judging by the parents, I guess I can't be surprised to hear little kids even saying stuff about the umpire. No wonder the world is going to hell. Plus, that umpire should've taken control and not just stood there and let everyone argue.
"Where do you get your umps?!" The truth is more and more umps have left the game because of parents and coaches like this. No MLB or college scouts are in the stands and no little Johnnies are missing any contracts based on this single call, or this game. Perhaps if the coaches and parents didn't overreact so much more interest in umpiring would exist and you could've had a 2nd umpire at this game to discuss the call.
For what it's worth I don't see anything that leads me to believe the ball was foul, including when the first baseman reaches down and scoops the ball on the line or even within fair territory. The umpire doesn't signal until the baseman grabs the ball. That leads me to believe he grabbed it in fair territory or while the ball was on the line.
Looking back at this video, it's still absolutely impossible to tell 100% where the ball is. Blame the ump all you want, but the ump is not at fault when, a batter or so later, the team decided to throw a ball into right field and allow everyone to take a trip around the bases. Do your jobs and coach, coaches.
People complaining about the ball first hitting the plate, then being fielded by a player, last time I looked at the rule book home plate is in FAIR territory.
T Carroll nah time to take runs away after all home plate is foul territory (joking)
Headline is wrong on both counts: It's a good call (ball can start foul and end up fair, and the plate is in fair territory); and the ejection is anything but unfair (in fact, I would have tossed a few more).
Oh, and the parents are once again embarrassing idiots.
Too bad you don't have a clue about the rules of baseball. If a ball in foul territory rolls into fair territory (including on the line) before it passes third/first, and before it is touched, it is a fair ball.
I think everyone has pretty well covered that the umpire's call is correct and there is no evidence short of being able to see where the ball lays when touched (let alone just see the ball in this video) to prove otherwise. What I want to know is why that first base coach didn't get his runner going to second real fast. That play is live and the coaches are on the field before time is called. As a former coach, I would have recognized the immediate distraction and kept him going. Free base, maybe more. As a current umpire, if I see that runner round the base as the coaches come out and am forced to call time to get control of the situation, I am awarding the runner 2nd base for coaches interference with the play by coming out of the dugout with a live ball.
if coaches are on the field during play, i'm throwing them out. no warning.
Award the base I think the runner would have achieved.... I'm thinking third, maybe home just to prove a point.
The second the dad came out from the stands I would forfeit his team and leave. Absolutely ridiculous.
1) Arguing judgement calls specifically calls for ejection by rule. 2) They are using a one umpire system, so why are they arguing? There is no other umpire to discuss things with. 3) As stated before, any parent entering the field is gone. 4) Any coach that reaches down like he did, showing me up, ejected.
First of all, it was not a bad call. Secondly, there is nothing unfair about a parent running onto the field to argue a call and then getting appropriately ejected
I was there, was definitely a foul ball
Foul or fair... The ejection was well deserved. Say your peace and go.
The ball can be foul and roll into fair territory or on the line (which is fair territory) before a player touches it. In order for a ball to be foul, a player either has to touch it in foul territory or has to stop moving in foul territory. If it gets back into fair territory before it crosses either third or first and is not touched in foul territory it is fair.
i really cant see the ball. but from where the fielder picked the ball up it looked like it was on the line, therefore would be a fair ball.
That was fair. Thats it. Im an ump and that is the right decision to throw him out.
It sure doesn't seem like you're an umpire. Just seems like you're a little kid trying to draw attention
Mitch Tuohey Thats hilarious
Don't know if you're serious or sarcastic. But I'll just take it as a compliment.
The OP should be ejected from RUclips for posting a 10 minute video with about 1:20 seconds of content that had even a little bit to do with the title. The ball was fair. The lines are fair ground, as is the plate. He did everything properly except taking off his mask.
no way a foul ball oh my lord the world is going to end
This is the biggest problem in youth sports and one of the biggest reasons there are not as many umpires as they should be. Please tell me where the unfair ejection was. The HC can call time and ask about a call. Someone comes out and screams they are leaving. End of discussion.
The fans clearly don't realize that they can be ejected as well, if you keep yelling at the ump and heckling him, he can and will throw you out
AbsoluteWrestlingFed Not true. Umpires have no authority outside the confines of the field.
Alan Hess you are completely wrong
AbsoluteWrestlingFed Actually yeah they can eject fans
+AbsoluteWrestlingFed The umpire has no authority to eject fans. There is nothing in any rulebook to allow that.
However, an umpire can demand that the site administrator remove a fan. That is the way it is done in the real world.
Alan Hess Umpires have the right to eject fans. If they are disrupting the game, fans can be removed.
parents like this are the reason youth sports Gabe no officials
can't see the ball but if the fielder that bends over on the first base line is the one who touched the ball I can understand a fair call.
doesn't matter hit the plate you do know fans the plate is fair?
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wait is that suppose to be bad or good comment these faces so small i don't know your laughing for joy at my comment or think i am wrong????????????
We can see where the player picks up the ball in fair grounds-
Foul lines are from back of home plate corner-
If ball stops ontop of home plate, you have a fair ball
This is the guy who is a little too honest sometimes like when he said the kid was scrawny and was gonna bunt
Those parents think it's foul because it was in foul territory and then it rolled fair, therefore making it a fair ball
I can't tell if the ball stopped on or outside the line, or if it hit the plate or batter's box because this quality isn't good enough, so I can't say if it was fair or foul, but the players should know to touch a foul ball as quickly as they can if they want it to be foul
Those who get ejected from Little League Baseball = Embarassment to humans everywhere.
I'm an umpire, the only reason I could think of if the ball truly stopped out of bounds would be the line is not straight or someone made contact with the ball in bounds but that's probably un likely. But the players need to remember to play it like a fair ball
Down side is you often get base lines that are not straight. I'm not talking winding baseline but a little wiggle in it sometimes. If the baseline was real bad, I would have the Home Team reline before starting. Otherwise, Home to 1st and Home to 3rd the line is your determining factor in fair / foul straight or not.
A coach come out to me like that and he (both) will be watching the next play from the parking lot.
As a coach, I have a code of conduct for all coaches that must be signed, a different code of conduct for the players that must be signed, and most importantly, a code of conduct that the parents must be signed. One of those rules is "Learn the rules of the game". Bad behavior aside, the vast majority of crap that comes from parents in the stands is a result of not knowing the rules, and looking like complete idiots when the umpire is actually doing the right thing.
Fair ball
i had a play like this last week. The ball started foul and kicked fair. The issue, to me, are the parents berating what looks like a teenager. Umpires are quitting because of this garbage.
So its a foul ball by state tournament rules what does that mean? clearly parents have tehre heads up there butts here. and are an embbarsment to the game of baseball.
the only time it matters where it lands is in the outfield. the ball could go into foul and into fair and be touch fair it be fair ball. if touch in foul it be foul ball. the plate is fair. if stays on the plate... its fair (i screw one up call this year called a foul to quick felt bad)
I thought he picked it up fair
Nobody told the catcher not to throw it to first but complained he did throw it. Then the parents told him he was doing everything right!! Two problems. No one said hold the ball, and if you tell your kid he is an amazing baseball player and is doing everything right when he makes a mistake, he won't learn to do it right. 2 tips: DO NOT LISTEN TO THE CROWD, LISTEN TO THE COACHES. If your coach gets ejected, STILL DO NOT LISTEN TO THE CROWD!!!!!
We do not get paid near enough to deal with this.
I wish more than anything I could stop some games and wheel out a whiteboard and run a short rules clinic on a play that the baseball moms were losing their minds about.
can't tell if the call was right or not, but the ejection was more than earned.
Did anybody get the fly off of his leg
These parents obviously don't known the rules. I heard one say the ball hit the plate. The whole plate is in fair territory and if the ball sits on the line it's a fair ball. I'm an umpire myself and have been doing it for 7 years
Did I just hear a mom say foul balls are in play. Hahaha
Really can't see the ball very well, but all the coaches are pointing at the plate, which leads me to believe they have no idea what they're arguing about. The plate is FAIR first off; secondly, the ball hitting the plate has nothing to do with it anyways, even though at least one mom clearly says "the ball hit the plate" as if that has anything to do with it. As far as the ejection goes, you've got four guys charging the umpire, right there an experienced ump would have put a stop to that immediately. After that, you've got the guy that gets tossed clearly is arguing, starts walking away and turns and shouts something back at the umpire, which is where he got tossed. Totally deserved.
please say "nothing to do with it anyway." no "s"
lol its been 5 years since I first watched this and for some reason RUclips wanted me to see it again. To be honest I forgot about this. But, watching it again, I see a bunch of coaches arguing about *something* at the plate, which makes me think they're trying to argue it was foul because it hit the plate. I see no indication that the ball is foul (or fair). But I do see a whole lot of coaches storming the umpire, who looks like he's doing the game solo. Bottom line, looks to me like the call was probably right, but regardless the ejection was most definitely deserved. Oh, and I'll work on the anyway/anyways thing...
Further would like to add that all the parents totally confused the catcher earlier on when he was deciding where to throw the ball on the throw from right field.
Parents need to stfu and let the coaches and kids freaking play. If they make a bad decision the coaches will teach the kid what to do in the future in a similar situation.
Each year our coach had the same speech with all of our parents. "If you yell into the field and tell your kid what to do or if you yell at blue ever; your kid will not play the rest of that game or the next, if you do it again after, your kid is off the team."
Parents do not not know how to control themselves.
Whatever the guy that gets ejected is upset about at home plate has nothing to do with if the ball is fair or foul. I'm not really clear why the umpire never says, "so what?" to him about whatever he's jacked up about.
A) If anyone says they can see the ball on this video is lying.
B) It looks as if this ump is calling this game by himself, that's hard at any level.
C) Parents have NO business on the field at any time.(I get it if your kid gets hurt, I'm not going to say anything about it then)
D) The kids should have been taught to play every ball like it's fair.
E) I would totally be for parents being banned to the outfield fence, parents ruin youth sports.
F) Complaining about a call does nothing!
If you lookup "Nightmare Youth Sports Parent", the woman whose voice we hear would be pictured.
ahhh, look at all of these current umpires doing their jobs :) I wonder why none of these stand officials arent getting called for games? I mean there sure is a lot of them.
Here's the problems I see with this play...1) only 1 umpire, if the parents and teams don't like it, pay for a 2nd umpire or they can learn to be an umpire and help fill the vacancies...2) the coach with the black jacket that came on the field should've been ejected as soon as he stepped on the field, only 1 coach can represent a team during discussions with umpires...3) the 3rd base coach should've been sent back to his box right away...4) 4 players came to home plate to argue the call at the 6min mark, they should've all been ordered back to their position immediately...5) the dads against the fence should've been sent away immediately, the head coach should've been warned to control his parents for inciting. Either he controls his parents or he gets ejected.
so i was able to edit the picture and the ball is right over the line that has despaired in the area. the ball is clearly fair and about to go into glove in photo i have i try to load it up zoom in
the only thing i would criticizes the umpire for is not taking his mask off to make the call and now going a bit closer to see the ball.
So much for the rules.
Every kid who left their position to complain should be, by rule, ejected immediately.
The parent that left the stands to get on the field should be removed from the field and the stands immediately.
The coaches who continued to argue (initial arguing not bad, continued arguing is) should be ejected or restricted to the dugout (NFHS allows restriction).
The fact that the parents are trying to coach is disgusting. They're parents, just fucking watch and let the coach do his job.
" You call clearly see the ball above his head and out of play." you cannot clearly see the ball. The video is a line so much. I remember i had a coach try to argue over a fair ball that was on the line.
great parents. no matter what the call.. great models for their kids
judgment call first thing the umpire is supposed to say coaches cant argue with judgment calls
Learn the rules of baseball before you incorrectly criticize an official. By the way, the call was correct....you got it all on tape...congratulations. Ask yourself, how did all of your unfair criticism and arguing contribute to these boys having fun and enjoy playing baseball? Shame on you.
Why is a parent running out on the field! That should have been an ejection from the tourney! That is ridiculous! I have been on the end of a ton of bad calls this season! A ton! Judgment calls can not be argued. You can ask what they seen, but that is really it. Rule misses, bring $100 and protest the call! But that parent running out on the field is R I D I C U L O U S!
the whole plate is in fair territory. I have no clue what theses parents are talking about.
Omg the vegas betting line for this is now messed-up
Look, yes umpires can make mistakes quite often. That DOES NOT give anyone, including players, coaches, or parents, to yell at any umpire. If the coach or a parent or player has a question about a call, calmly walk up to the ump and say, "Hey, why did you call it this way?" The call the ump made is a JUDGMENT call. No one may argue these. This also dose not give the right to use poor sportsmanship period. Please show umpires respect. I myself am an umpire and I told the coaches and I earned my repect.
It's ironic, the same parents who want every kid to have participation trophies are the ones that get the nuttiest during the games! If everyone is a winner, why do you get nuts on a blown call?
Gavin blew it and no one yelled at him...
haha i didn't realize how stupid parents are until i watch another umpire do his work from a spectators point of view i was laughing at this whole thing! haha and a judgement call by an umpire is final your not going to get it over turned! btw it was a fair ball! haha