Blue makes a bad call and says in is fair leading to a coach ejection at the state tourney. You call clearly see the ball above his head and out of play.
I Do Love When People Make Up Rules. I was umpiring a game and called a player out whose momentum dragged him off the bag, so I called him out. Coach runs out, he was pushed out- he said. I said it was his momentum. Coach says : So we’re loosing by 10, are really going to call him out for that ? 😇😅😅😅😅😅
If you want to really blow her mind, have a bunt end up sitting on the plate and (correctly) indicate a fair ball. The plate is 100% in fair territory. I know I'm replying to a nine-year-old post, but I can't resist.
@@gil4321Yes, they were yelling foul ball while the ball was still rolling. Unless it hit the batter then it is a live ball and have to wait until it stops rolling or is touched.
Dear parents, The ball is not foul until it is touched in foul territory, the ball lands past 1st or 3rd base in foul territory, hits a fence in foul territory or the ball stops in foul territory. The plate is in fair territory. The ball can land 10 feet out of bounds, hit a rock and roll into fair territory and be a fair ball. Please consult rule 2.00 (Definitions) before raising a ruckus and thinking the umpire doesn't know what he's doing. And screaming at him that "This is a State Tournament" is not going to help your cause either. Thank you.
BTW, I don't believe this is Little League as there are no on-deck batters allowed on the 60 foot diamond. P.S.S. These are great role models for America's Youth. "Look how scrawny he is. Of course he's going to bunt." Running onto the field from the stands to argue with the umpire? Was that a kid who yelled, "Pull your head out blue!"? "He needs to get some glasses on?"
@@toddharbaugh Let me reiterate. If ANY part of a baseball or softball is touching ANY part of the foul line the ball is fair...UNTIL such time as the ball is entirely in foul territory and no longer touching any part of the line. If you disagree, explain yourself.
It depends on their mood honestly. Sometimes they do get a little bit out of hand but sometimes it’s emotions. They’re probably supportive to their kids. Maybe it’s because they’re pulling for them to win a title.
The only thing "bad" or "unfair" here is the fact that this many people who claim to be baseball fans don't know the rules, and that this video is on youtube...
Thank you for putting this up on RUclips. It shows precisely why I can't stand being at a youth baseball game anymore. The stands are full of entitled Karens (many of them men) who don't know the rules, then passively aggressively take their video to the internet because some umpire destroyed their child's self esteem. That and the incident doesn't even take place until halfway through the video.
Not to mention it’s hard to see- It seemed like the kid touched it while it was on Or inside the line. But parents make in no fun, when I teach the kids more about sportsmanship then their parents < it’s sad.
@@alanhess9306 Totally, you got me. What a logical, direct, succinct, comment that addresses my comment and is supported with reason. You support yourself with taxpayer assistance huh?
@@alanhess9306 Did you know, people come to the games just to watch you umpire, the coaches coach, and the parents live vicariously through the players?
+22rock91 yes to a point say the ball stayed on home plate fair ball... say the ball hit plate but went into foul than touch foul ball it just matters where it is I can't even tell by video and the mother should go umpire
I watched the call a few times. I'm assuming you (the mom) think the ball is foul because it rolled in foul territory. By rule, the ball is fair/foul where it is first touched, or where it crosses 1st/3rd base. That's why the ump, "let it roll". It hasn't even touched, and when the 1st baseman touched it, it was in fair territory.
they have no clue of any of the rules just watching a game in softball fast pitch usa/asa touarment parents didn't know why third base lady was called out (left bag early) and than didn't understand runner interefrence for 2nd base lady to field a ball she was out... didn't understand that
As a 15 year old ump for my local league, I can tell you umpire abuse is our leagues biggest propblem. It causes a shortage of umps, which starts a butterfly effect. It pisses me off to see parnets going off at other umps and me. The only way to prevent ump abuse is to have the parents learn the rules themselves. Shameful display by the parents.
Bullshit! Umps being biased, not paying attention, not calling a fair game, making bad calls are the reason for the problems you and other umps face. All parents do is try to keep umps honest, like any other fan. If y’all don’t suck then you don’t get ragged on. See how that works?!
Sorry to tell you man but unfortunately that’s what happens. Even in the MLB these umpires are gonna get an earful from fans everywhere. I understand you’re mad at the parents but the reality is if you make a bad call it could be a disaster of a game.
@@williamnowacki There is a world of difference between a professional umpire and a guy doing youth baseball. Heckling a guy whose _job_ it is to call a game, who receives tons of training, has the benefit of having three other guys on the field, who gets to see world class players, and laughs all the way to the bank isn't really all that similar to piling on a guy who rushed to get to the game site from his regular job so the kids could play, all for like $60.
I had a play 2 weeks ago that reminded me of this video. Middle School JV game. The ball was popped up about half way between Home and 3rd base. The 3rd baseman, Catcher, and Pitcher all realized they couldn't get to it so they let it drop. The ball lands about 2-3 feet in fair territory. Then on the bounce it goes about 7-8' in the air angling to the foul line. The 3rd baseman, standing in fair territory, reaches across the foul line and catches the ball in the air before it lands again. The ball when he caught it was in foul territory. So I call "FOUL!!!!". Manager (also coaching 3rd base) comes to me and wants to argue the ball was fair. First he argues the ball last bounced in fair territory. Why yes coach it did, but it was touched when it was in foul territory. We call signal Fair or call Foul based on where the ball is when it is touched if it is before passing any infield bags. Then he wants to argue the player was standing in fair territory. Well, where the player is standing is irrelevant. It's where the ball is when it is touched. So yes, I am getting an earful from the parents of the team as well. Which I ignore. No profanity, let them talk. I get another game for the same JV team a week and a half later. Coach comes over to me before the game. "Blue, I owe you an apology, you were right about that call". Bottom line is everyone THINKS they know the rules more than anyone else does. As an umpire I do my best to know the rules and enforce them accordingly. Have I ever messed up a rule or blown a call? Of course. But that is part of being human. It happens. At the end of the day, it's just a game. I tell the Junior umpires I work with all the time, if a MLB umpire who trains year round can make a mistake, then you can't expect to be perfect either. Perhaps coaches and parents should consider that as well before they act like the people in this video.
I love when parents say that we umpires "DON'T KNOW THE RULES" when we get a call wrong or it didn't benefit them, as an umpire we know the game more than anyone else on the field so SHUSH. I'm sorry parents are the absolute worst nowadays and they're only getting worse.
holy crap, yall need to pick up a rule book... Title should read more like "Parents/coach don't know baseball rules, leads to a well deserved ejection"
That assistant who came charging out of the bench area could have been dumped the second he stepped on the playing field. One great maxim of officiating is this: assistant coaches have no rights when it comes to talking to officials.
If this is a "state tournament", then why is the umpire working by himself? If there is a tournament berth on the line, why wouldn't your league cough up the extra money to get some base umpires? An extra set of eyes may have been a big help in that situation. And good for the umpire for tossing the four beer bellys that charged him and made idiots out of themselves. Just watch how the kids reacted, and you see why the "adults" deserved to be tossed. What we need is more umpires to refuse to work alone in games like these.
Extra set of eyes wouldn't have helped really. Even in a two man system there was a runner on third so the base umpire would have been out by the shortstop, the plate umpire has the call. I don't mind working alone as long as your fundamentals are sound. He didn't take his mask off to call the ball. But it does look like the ball is on the line when the fielder grabs it which makes it a fair ball. Not sure who the person is screaming in the background, but the call looks right.
happens sometimes... with lower age level they will use one umpire till the finals with older girls they want to use two and for championship they used three umpires
As an Umpire myself the ONLY person that can question a call is the head coach. At any point if a parent or someone other than a head coach comes out they are sent back to the dugout or ejected.
OK, I watched this again today...interesting how, after like the second or third base on balls, the 2nd baseman throws his arms up in the air in disbelief (at about 4:25)...that's a sing of poor sportsmanship yet to come. Nothing in the video supports that the ball was foul. The umpire's non-call, and pointing to fair territory are exactly what he should have done. As I wrote two years ago...the ejection was ABSOLUTELY fair.
Looking back at this video, it's still absolutely impossible to tell 100% where the ball is. Blame the ump all you want, but the ump is not at fault when, a batter or so later, the team decided to throw a ball into right field and allow everyone to take a trip around the bases. Do your jobs and coach, coaches.
People complaining about the ball first hitting the plate, then being fielded by a player, last time I looked at the rule book home plate is in FAIR territory.
Parents like this make me sick, you make it such a big deal when we're here for the kids. I officiate Water Polo and there are people who don't know the rules that scream over them. If you guys complain, why don't you umpire? If the umpiring is so bad then umpire then please, it's not easy.
because complaining, whining and over obsessing over your kids' crappy athletic skills like he will play in MLB is much easier than umpiring, refereeing or officiating or even coaching for that matter. Squawk boxes all over the USA.
As a St Louis Cardinal fan, I remember the infamous 6th game of the "I-70 World Series." Months later, my friends and I got to meet Whitey Herzog and as he signed our baseball cards, we told him it was a lousy call. "That's baseball, boys," was his reply. When my son asks me now if a call was "really out" I tell him, it is what the ump calls it. After all, that's baseball.
This is just so much different than MLB though, people complain so much about why their kid didn't get the fair call and they hardly understand the game. At MLB level people understand the game and understand the level of respect/ arguing with the coach. Even in MLB they understand that one head coach (the manager head honcho) can talk to the umpire. He can do what he wants I guess, but not more than one person comes out at a time. Here, this is just plain ignorance for the rules and the conduct. These are kids for god sake's they're not even at the MLB level yet. You have 5 adults coming out screaming and crying over what? There's one or two umpires in this game and he has to take all that shit. Kids, understand that umpiring is a hard job, why don't you guys give it a shot sometime and have 4 coaches plus 3 whiny bitchy parents come to you about how bad the umpiring was. Everyone's human, but there is just no tolerance for this sorta thing at this level. People need to show respect at all levels and know the rules.
It looked to me like the kid picked up the ball while it was on the chalk, meaning it's a fair ball. Hard to tell with the video quality, though. It is interesting that the parents are yelling "fowell ball" before the ball was even touched.
If I or any of my umpire buddies were calling this game, you'd likely see it ended on a forfeit as soon as that parent came on the field to argue. Absolutely no call for that, and isn't tolerated at any level. Poor showing, and that man should be completely ashamed. Those whose voices are on the camera ought to be ashamed, too. Horrible examples displayed for their kids. Name-calling, belittling, yelling ... seriously. The guy was doing all he could - he was a lone umpire on that game.
First of all, it was not a bad call. Secondly, there is nothing unfair about a parent running onto the field to argue a call and then getting appropriately ejected
As an umpire, I am often amused at coaches & parents who think they know the game and then say things that clearly show that they do not have a clue. Unlike other sports, baseball is a game of rules and has one of the largest rule books of any sport. If I had a dime for every coach that says "I Know, I'm an UMPIRE!" I then ask him if ther can be 8 outs in an inning. Only at the college level have the coaches said YES. Most parents Know even less. No Scholarships were decided on this play.
Too bad you don't have a clue about the rules of baseball. If a ball in foul territory rolls into fair territory (including on the line) before it passes third/first, and before it is touched, it is a fair ball.
If any part of that ball is touching the line it is in fair territory! If the ball starts out foul then becomes fair...guess what fair ball. I would love to see some of these parents put on all the gear we put on and umpire in the heat. Dont like it. Pull your son. Get in the car go home!
Bad coaches and fans gets coaches ejected. There fixed the title for you. We understand rules are hard, and fans and coaches don't have time to understand them. It is just easier to yell and scream then actually understand the rules. Well done ump, you didn't make enough for your time this day.
I think everyone has pretty well covered that the umpire's call is correct and there is no evidence short of being able to see where the ball lays when touched (let alone just see the ball in this video) to prove otherwise. What I want to know is why that first base coach didn't get his runner going to second real fast. That play is live and the coaches are on the field before time is called. As a former coach, I would have recognized the immediate distraction and kept him going. Free base, maybe more. As a current umpire, if I see that runner round the base as the coaches come out and am forced to call time to get control of the situation, I am awarding the runner 2nd base for coaches interference with the play by coming out of the dugout with a live ball.
+AbsoluteWrestlingFed The umpire has no authority to eject fans. There is nothing in any rulebook to allow that. However, an umpire can demand that the site administrator remove a fan. That is the way it is done in the real world.
1. The ball can start in foul territory and then roll fair. That is a fair ball. 2. The plate and the foul line are in fair territory. 3. Even if the call were wrong this is hardly an "unfair ejection." I would have tossed that coach as soon as he started gesturing and jumping all around. And the assistants would have been gone before they even reached the plate. I appreciate the umpire probably gave them rope given the level of the game, but that was a well-deserved ejection.
This team is lucky it's just a few ejections. So many things I see wrong here ... where to begin? A foul ball is not out of play. A ball out of play is out of play. A foul ball is still playable, but is a "dead ball" once declared foul. A foul ball is not a foul ball until it comes to rest in foul territory or passes first or third base in foul territory. A slow roller that starts in foul ground can become fair. That's the case at every single level of baseball.
Foul Ball is in play? Wow, that's a unknowledgable parent. Judging by the parents, I guess I can't be surprised to hear little kids even saying stuff about the umpire. No wonder the world is going to hell. Plus, that umpire should've taken control and not just stood there and let everyone argue.
"Where do you get your umps?!" The truth is more and more umps have left the game because of parents and coaches like this. No MLB or college scouts are in the stands and no little Johnnies are missing any contracts based on this single call, or this game. Perhaps if the coaches and parents didn't overreact so much more interest in umpiring would exist and you could've had a 2nd umpire at this game to discuss the call. For what it's worth I don't see anything that leads me to believe the ball was foul, including when the first baseman reaches down and scoops the ball on the line or even within fair territory. The umpire doesn't signal until the baseman grabs the ball. That leads me to believe he grabbed it in fair territory or while the ball was on the line.
I'm an umpire, the only reason I could think of if the ball truly stopped out of bounds would be the line is not straight or someone made contact with the ball in bounds but that's probably un likely. But the players need to remember to play it like a fair ball
Down side is you often get base lines that are not straight. I'm not talking winding baseline but a little wiggle in it sometimes. If the baseline was real bad, I would have the Home Team reline before starting. Otherwise, Home to 1st and Home to 3rd the line is your determining factor in fair / foul straight or not.
The ball can be foul and roll into fair territory or on the line (which is fair territory) before a player touches it. In order for a ball to be foul, a player either has to touch it in foul territory or has to stop moving in foul territory. If it gets back into fair territory before it crosses either third or first and is not touched in foul territory it is fair.
Headline is wrong on both counts: It's a good call (ball can start foul and end up fair, and the plate is in fair territory); and the ejection is anything but unfair (in fact, I would have tossed a few more). Oh, and the parents are once again embarrassing idiots.
1) Arguing judgement calls specifically calls for ejection by rule. 2) They are using a one umpire system, so why are they arguing? There is no other umpire to discuss things with. 3) As stated before, any parent entering the field is gone. 4) Any coach that reaches down like he did, showing me up, ejected.
I can't tell if the ball stopped on or outside the line, or if it hit the plate or batter's box because this quality isn't good enough, so I can't say if it was fair or foul, but the players should know to touch a foul ball as quickly as they can if they want it to be foul
This is the biggest problem in youth sports and one of the biggest reasons there are not as many umpires as they should be. Please tell me where the unfair ejection was. The HC can call time and ask about a call. Someone comes out and screams they are leaving. End of discussion.
Whatever the guy that gets ejected is upset about at home plate has nothing to do with if the ball is fair or foul. I'm not really clear why the umpire never says, "so what?" to him about whatever he's jacked up about.
So its a foul ball by state tournament rules what does that mean? clearly parents have tehre heads up there butts here. and are an embbarsment to the game of baseball. the only time it matters where it lands is in the outfield. the ball could go into foul and into fair and be touch fair it be fair ball. if touch in foul it be foul ball. the plate is fair. if stays on the plate... its fair (i screw one up call this year called a foul to quick felt bad)
Understand the rules please. If any part of the ball is on or over fair territory it is a fair ball. If the ball is rolling and stops with part of the ball touching the chalk, it’s a fair ball.
Just dont see how this is an "unfair ejection". Multiple coaches approach the plate umpire, pointing at the ground and yelling at him. What the call was is irrelevant, you just cant do that to an umpire (especially on a judgement call).
Umpire showed great restraint. Only the managers should have approached him. The assistants should have been sent back to dugout / position. Blue could have ejected quite a few coaches here. Should have ejected a player or 2 as well that acted up beyond what I would have permitted.
i had a play like this last week. The ball started foul and kicked fair. The issue, to me, are the parents berating what looks like a teenager. Umpires are quitting because of this garbage.
I can't see the ball, but based on the reaction of the offense, I'm guessing it's foul. Also, I am assuming this umpire of this state tournament game is umpiring alone?
These parents obviously don't known the rules. I heard one say the ball hit the plate. The whole plate is in fair territory and if the ball sits on the line it's a fair ball. I'm an umpire myself and have been doing it for 7 years
so i was able to edit the picture and the ball is right over the line that has despaired in the area. the ball is clearly fair and about to go into glove in photo i have i try to load it up zoom in
If you ran out on my field like that in 1981 you'd left in a sheriff's car... And Id told mom and them one time to stfu.. i had a coach thrown out of the league for less... He watched quietly for 2 months
As a coach, I have a code of conduct for all coaches that must be signed, a different code of conduct for the players that must be signed, and most importantly, a code of conduct that the parents must be signed. One of those rules is "Learn the rules of the game". Bad behavior aside, the vast majority of crap that comes from parents in the stands is a result of not knowing the rules, and looking like complete idiots when the umpire is actually doing the right thing.
The OP should be ejected from RUclips for posting a 10 minute video with about 1:20 seconds of content that had even a little bit to do with the title. The ball was fair. The lines are fair ground, as is the plate. He did everything properly except taking off his mask.
Look, yes umpires can make mistakes quite often. That DOES NOT give anyone, including players, coaches, or parents, to yell at any umpire. If the coach or a parent or player has a question about a call, calmly walk up to the ump and say, "Hey, why did you call it this way?" The call the ump made is a JUDGMENT call. No one may argue these. This also dose not give the right to use poor sportsmanship period. Please show umpires respect. I myself am an umpire and I told the coaches and I earned my repect.
Learn the rules of baseball before you incorrectly criticize an official. By the way, the call was correct....you got it all on tape...congratulations. Ask yourself, how did all of your unfair criticism and arguing contribute to these boys having fun and enjoy playing baseball? Shame on you.
mrlaymansterms1 No rule in OBR says you cannot step on plate. (NFHS specifically states that stepping on plate/contact is out) Virtually all youth leagues start with OBR and then make adjustments for field size and specialized kid rules. I can think of none that change this rule. Rule is that you foot is entirely outside of the box. You league box is 4" away from plate. Kid could easily step on plate with foot still on line and not entirely outside the box.
We do not get paid near enough to deal with this. I wish more than anything I could stop some games and wheel out a whiteboard and run a short rules clinic on a play that the baseball moms were losing their minds about.
from this angle it looks like the batter could have been called out for touching home while making contact with the ball.....teach kids the right way to bunt, turn hips, not feet.
Touching the plate while making contact with the ball is only illegal under high school rules (NFHS). This game looks like Little League and the rule there (as in MLB rules) states that the batter's foot must be on the ground entirely outside the batter's box while he contacts the ball for it to be illegal. The plate has nothing to do with it. What you stated is one of the most common baseball rules myths.
The batter can touch home when making contact with the ball if part of his foot is still touching the batters box. In order to have a box violation, the ENTIRE foot must be out of the box.
you are incorrect. Again, I'm looking at this from high school rules, and rule 7, section 3, article 2 says the batter shall not "hit the ball while either foot or knee is touching the ground completely outside the lines of the batter's box or touching home plate." MLB rules only cover the foot/knee being outside the batters box...rule 6.03 I think..google it if you have time. :)
What is a little funny to me is whomever uploaded this video didn't describe what happened, because the video is poor and you can't see the ball. The viewer cannot tell what the complaint they have w/ the umpire. When a parent comes onto the field to complain, he's got to go.
Nobody told the catcher not to throw it to first but complained he did throw it. Then the parents told him he was doing everything right!! Two problems. No one said hold the ball, and if you tell your kid he is an amazing baseball player and is doing everything right when he makes a mistake, he won't learn to do it right. 2 tips: DO NOT LISTEN TO THE CROWD, LISTEN TO THE COACHES. If your coach gets ejected, STILL DO NOT LISTEN TO THE CROWD!!!!!
'It doesn't matter because it hit the plate.' Best quote ever. Thanks for your extensive knowledge of the game ma'am.
I Do Love When People Make Up Rules.
I was umpiring a game and called a player out whose momentum dragged him off the bag, so I called him out.
Coach runs out, he was pushed out- he said.
I said it was his momentum.
Coach says :
So we’re loosing by 10, are really going to call him out for that ?
😇😅😅😅😅😅
@@rustytrip3458 I love when the coaches argument changes when they realize that their purpose for discussing a play is invalid.
If you want to really blow her mind, have a bunt end up sitting on the plate and (correctly) indicate a fair ball. The plate is 100% in fair territory.
I know I'm replying to a nine-year-old post, but I can't resist.
@@gil4321Yes, they were yelling foul ball while the ball was still rolling. Unless it hit the batter then it is a live ball and have to wait until it stops rolling or is touched.
Dear parents,
The ball is not foul until it is touched in foul territory, the ball lands past 1st or 3rd base in foul territory, hits a fence in foul territory or the ball stops in foul territory. The plate is in fair territory. The ball can land 10 feet out of bounds, hit a rock and roll into fair territory and be a fair ball.
Please consult rule 2.00 (Definitions) before raising a ruckus and thinking the umpire doesn't know what he's doing. And screaming at him that "This is a State Tournament" is not going to help your cause either.
Thank you.
BTW, I don't believe this is Little League as there are no on-deck batters allowed on the 60 foot diamond.
P.S.S. These are great role models for America's Youth. "Look how scrawny he is. Of course he's going to bunt." Running onto the field from the stands to argue with the umpire? Was that a kid who yelled, "Pull your head out blue!"? "He needs to get some glasses on?"
if the ball is on the line IT IS A FAIR BALL.
If the ball is touching ANY part of the line, it is fair.
@@jumperguy9867 nope the entire line is in fair territory, anything past that is foul
@@toddharbaugh Let me reiterate. If ANY part of a baseball or softball is touching ANY part of the foul line the ball is fair...UNTIL such time as the ball is entirely in foul territory and no longer touching any part of the line. If you disagree, explain yourself.
@@jumperguy9867 if any part of the ball is OVER the line. It doesn't have to touch.
@@pauledge1621 this is correct! it does not have to touch, only is visually over the line.
Parents are the biggest issue in these games.
It depends on their mood honestly. Sometimes they do get a little bit out of hand but sometimes it’s emotions.
They’re probably supportive to their kids. Maybe it’s because they’re pulling for them to win a title.
A title? These kids are probably 9 or so!!!
Other than trash lazy umpires.
@@jimdoe1694 BS. This video proves how completely stupid parents are.
The only thing "bad" or "unfair" here is the fact that this many people who claim to be baseball fans don't know the rules, and that this video is on youtube...
Thank you for putting this up on RUclips. It shows precisely why I can't stand being at a youth baseball game anymore. The stands are full of entitled Karens (many of them men) who don't know the rules, then passively aggressively take their video to the internet because some umpire destroyed their child's self esteem.
That and the incident doesn't even take place until halfway through the video.
Not to mention it’s hard to see-
It seemed like the kid touched it while it was on Or inside the line.
But parents make in no fun, when I teach the kids more about sportsmanship then their parents < it’s sad.
Spoken like an umpire with authority and zero ability, talent, work ethic, and entitle to be right, even if you are wrong.
@@jimdoe1694 Except he is right and you are clueless.
@@alanhess9306 Totally, you got me. What a logical, direct, succinct, comment that addresses my comment and is supported with reason. You support yourself with taxpayer assistance huh?
@@alanhess9306 Did you know, people come to the games just to watch you umpire, the coaches coach, and the parents live vicariously through the players?
I can't believe this video is still up. The umpire made the right call.
You know that how?
First thing I see is this guy hanging over the fence, then charging the Umpire. Eject..
Someone also stated that the ball hit home plate. Read the rule book, home plate is in Fair Territory!!
+22rock91 yes to a point say the ball stayed on home plate fair ball... say the ball hit plate but went into foul than touch foul ball it just matters where it is I can't even tell by video and the mother should go umpire
I watched the call a few times. I'm assuming you (the mom) think the ball is foul because it rolled in foul territory. By rule, the ball is fair/foul where it is first touched, or where it crosses 1st/3rd base. That's why the ump, "let it roll". It hasn't even touched, and when the 1st baseman touched it, it was in fair territory.
they have no clue of any of the rules just watching a game in softball fast pitch usa/asa touarment parents didn't know why third base lady was called out (left bag early) and than didn't understand runner interefrence for 2nd base lady to field a ball she was out... didn't understand that
Did I hear that right...the mom said it's foul because it hit the plate???? Good God...
It's a youtube video so you can't really see the ball, but from where he picks it up, it looks fair.
You're a pretty awful person to try to call an umpire out like this.
Because umpires are so important and people go to the games to watch them?
"IT WAS A TOTAL UMP CALL"
uhhh, you mean, how baseball works?
"it doesn't matter because it hit the plate" THE CRINGE
As a 15 year old ump for my local league, I can tell you umpire abuse is our leagues biggest propblem. It causes a shortage of umps, which starts a butterfly effect. It pisses me off to see parnets going off at other umps and me. The only way to prevent ump abuse is to have the parents learn the rules themselves. Shameful display by the parents.
Bullshit! Umps being biased, not paying attention, not calling a fair game, making bad calls are the reason for the problems you and other umps face. All parents do is try to keep umps honest, like any other fan. If y’all don’t suck then you don’t get ragged on. See how that works?!
Sorry to tell you man but unfortunately that’s what happens.
Even in the MLB these umpires are gonna get an earful from fans everywhere. I understand you’re mad at the parents but the reality is if you make a bad call it could be a disaster of a game.
Please say strong. I started at 15.. in 1975. . I still Umpire 48 years later. For the love of the game.
@@williamnowacki There is a world of difference between a professional umpire and a guy doing youth baseball. Heckling a guy whose _job_ it is to call a game, who receives tons of training, has the benefit of having three other guys on the field, who gets to see world class players, and laughs all the way to the bank isn't really all that similar to piling on a guy who rushed to get to the game site from his regular job so the kids could play, all for like $60.
Don't make bad calls then, don't get paid to be wrong and never improve.
The parent that entered the field should be ejected and made to leave the sports complex.
I had a play 2 weeks ago that reminded me of this video. Middle School JV game. The ball was popped up about half way between Home and 3rd base. The 3rd baseman, Catcher, and Pitcher all realized they couldn't get to it so they let it drop. The ball lands about 2-3 feet in fair territory. Then on the bounce it goes about 7-8' in the air angling to the foul line. The 3rd baseman, standing in fair territory, reaches across the foul line and catches the ball in the air before it lands again. The ball when he caught it was in foul territory. So I call "FOUL!!!!". Manager (also coaching 3rd base) comes to me and wants to argue the ball was fair. First he argues the ball last bounced in fair territory. Why yes coach it did, but it was touched when it was in foul territory. We call signal Fair or call Foul based on where the ball is when it is touched if it is before passing any infield bags. Then he wants to argue the player was standing in fair territory. Well, where the player is standing is irrelevant. It's where the ball is when it is touched. So yes, I am getting an earful from the parents of the team as well. Which I ignore. No profanity, let them talk. I get another game for the same JV team a week and a half later. Coach comes over to me before the game. "Blue, I owe you an apology, you were right about that call". Bottom line is everyone THINKS they know the rules more than anyone else does. As an umpire I do my best to know the rules and enforce them accordingly. Have I ever messed up a rule or blown a call? Of course. But that is part of being human. It happens. At the end of the day, it's just a game. I tell the Junior umpires I work with all the time, if a MLB umpire who trains year round can make a mistake, then you can't expect to be perfect either. Perhaps coaches and parents should consider that as well before they act like the people in this video.
This is ridiculous, parents have no clue what the rules are. Coach’s are idiots fir not understanding
I love when parents say that we umpires "DON'T KNOW THE RULES" when we get a call wrong or it didn't benefit them, as an umpire we know the game more than anyone else on the field so SHUSH. I'm sorry parents are the absolute worst nowadays and they're only getting worse.
Both the ball and the ejection look fair
And you would have to be ignorant to use this video to make that determination.
The only thing wrong with this video is that all 4 coaches are gaining up on the umpire. ONLY THE MANAGERS ARE ALLOWED TO TALK TO THE UMPIRE!
holy crap, yall need to pick up a rule book... Title should read more like "Parents/coach don't know baseball rules, leads to a well deserved ejection"
Parents talking that don't know anything about baseball.
That assistant who came charging out of the bench area could have been dumped the second he stepped on the playing field. One great maxim of officiating is this: assistant coaches have no rights when it comes to talking to officials.
Incorrect. In many of my leagues, umps will allow the assistant coaches to argue calls. I’m an imp.
Bunch of poorly behaved adults who don't know what they're doing.
If this is a "state tournament", then why is the umpire working by himself? If there is a tournament berth on the line, why wouldn't your league cough up the extra money to get some base umpires? An extra set of eyes may have been a big help in that situation. And good for the umpire for tossing the four beer bellys that charged him and made idiots out of themselves. Just watch how the kids reacted, and you see why the "adults" deserved to be tossed. What we need is more umpires to refuse to work alone in games like these.
Extra set of eyes wouldn't have helped really. Even in a two man system there was a runner on third so the base umpire would have been out by the shortstop, the plate umpire has the call. I don't mind working alone as long as your fundamentals are sound. He didn't take his mask off to call the ball. But it does look like the ball is on the line when the fielder grabs it which makes it a fair ball. Not sure who the person is screaming in the background, but the call looks right.
happens sometimes... with lower age level they will use one umpire till the finals with older girls they want to use two and for championship they used three umpires
How is an ejection unfair? You can't argue fair/foul. He did. He gone
As an Umpire myself the ONLY person that can question a call is the head coach. At any point if a parent or someone other than a head coach comes out they are sent back to the dugout or ejected.
i agree as an ump the only coach i'm gonna talk to is the head coach period, not wasting my time talking to the whole coaching staff, lol
I know, how anyone dare question your authority. People come to the games to watch you umpire.
OK, I watched this again today...interesting how, after like the second or third base on balls, the 2nd baseman throws his arms up in the air in disbelief (at about 4:25)...that's a sing of poor sportsmanship yet to come. Nothing in the video supports that the ball was foul. The umpire's non-call, and pointing to fair territory are exactly what he should have done. As I wrote two years ago...the ejection was ABSOLUTELY fair.
Looking back at this video, it's still absolutely impossible to tell 100% where the ball is. Blame the ump all you want, but the ump is not at fault when, a batter or so later, the team decided to throw a ball into right field and allow everyone to take a trip around the bases. Do your jobs and coach, coaches.
The umpire made the right call. As an umpire you are taught to wait. That ball might kick fair. He waited and did the right thing.
People complaining about the ball first hitting the plate, then being fielded by a player, last time I looked at the rule book home plate is in FAIR territory.
T Carroll nah time to take runs away after all home plate is foul territory (joking)
Parents like this make me sick, you make it such a big deal when we're here for the kids. I officiate Water Polo and there are people who don't know the rules that scream over them. If you guys complain, why don't you umpire? If the umpiring is so bad then umpire then please, it's not easy.
because complaining, whining and over obsessing over your kids' crappy athletic skills like he will play in MLB is much easier than umpiring, refereeing or officiating or even coaching for that matter. Squawk boxes all over the USA.
As a St Louis Cardinal fan, I remember the infamous 6th game of the "I-70 World Series." Months later, my friends and I got to meet Whitey Herzog and as he signed our baseball cards, we told him it was a lousy call. "That's baseball, boys," was his reply. When my son asks me now if a call was "really out" I tell him, it is what the ump calls it. After all, that's baseball.
This is just so much different than MLB though, people complain so much about why their kid didn't get the fair call and they hardly understand the game. At MLB level people understand the game and understand the level of respect/ arguing with the coach. Even in MLB they understand that one head coach (the manager head honcho) can talk to the umpire. He can do what he wants I guess, but not more than one person comes out at a time. Here, this is just plain ignorance for the rules and the conduct. These are kids for god sake's they're not even at the MLB level yet. You have 5 adults coming out screaming and crying over what? There's one or two umpires in this game and he has to take all that shit. Kids, understand that umpiring is a hard job, why don't you guys give it a shot sometime and have 4 coaches plus 3 whiny bitchy parents come to you about how bad the umpiring was. Everyone's human, but there is just no tolerance for this sorta thing at this level. People need to show respect at all levels and know the rules.
Aaron Davis Great reply, also you should read Matheny's little league manifesto. It is a great thing to read! it is online if you look it up.
IF THE BALL HITS IN THE BATTERS BOX AND IS NOT TOUCHED. AND GOES INTO FAIR TERRITORY IT IS A FAIR BALL.
It looked to me like the kid picked up the ball while it was on the chalk, meaning it's a fair ball. Hard to tell with the video quality, though. It is interesting that the parents are yelling "fowell ball" before the ball was even touched.
If I or any of my umpire buddies were calling this game, you'd likely see it ended on a forfeit as soon as that parent came on the field to argue. Absolutely no call for that, and isn't tolerated at any level. Poor showing, and that man should be completely ashamed. Those whose voices are on the camera ought to be ashamed, too. Horrible examples displayed for their kids. Name-calling, belittling, yelling ... seriously. The guy was doing all he could - he was a lone umpire on that game.
First of all, it was not a bad call. Secondly, there is nothing unfair about a parent running onto the field to argue a call and then getting appropriately ejected
I was there, was definitely a foul ball
As an umpire, I am often amused at coaches & parents who think they know the game and then say things that clearly show that they do not have a clue. Unlike other sports, baseball is a game of rules and has one of the largest rule books of any sport. If I had a dime for every coach that says "I Know, I'm an UMPIRE!" I then ask him if ther can be 8 outs in an inning. Only at the college level have the coaches said YES. Most parents Know even less. No Scholarships were decided on this play.
Too bad you don't have a clue about the rules of baseball. If a ball in foul territory rolls into fair territory (including on the line) before it passes third/first, and before it is touched, it is a fair ball.
If any part of that ball is touching the line it is in fair territory! If the ball starts out foul then becomes fair...guess what fair ball. I would love to see some of these parents put on all the gear we put on and umpire in the heat. Dont like it. Pull your son. Get in the car go home!
Bad coaches and fans gets coaches ejected. There fixed the title for you. We understand rules are hard, and fans and coaches don't have time to understand them. It is just easier to yell and scream then actually understand the rules. Well done ump, you didn't make enough for your time this day.
I think everyone has pretty well covered that the umpire's call is correct and there is no evidence short of being able to see where the ball lays when touched (let alone just see the ball in this video) to prove otherwise. What I want to know is why that first base coach didn't get his runner going to second real fast. That play is live and the coaches are on the field before time is called. As a former coach, I would have recognized the immediate distraction and kept him going. Free base, maybe more. As a current umpire, if I see that runner round the base as the coaches come out and am forced to call time to get control of the situation, I am awarding the runner 2nd base for coaches interference with the play by coming out of the dugout with a live ball.
if coaches are on the field during play, i'm throwing them out. no warning.
Award the base I think the runner would have achieved.... I'm thinking third, maybe home just to prove a point.
The fans clearly don't realize that they can be ejected as well, if you keep yelling at the ump and heckling him, he can and will throw you out
AbsoluteWrestlingFed Not true. Umpires have no authority outside the confines of the field.
Alan Hess you are completely wrong
AbsoluteWrestlingFed Actually yeah they can eject fans
+AbsoluteWrestlingFed The umpire has no authority to eject fans. There is nothing in any rulebook to allow that.
However, an umpire can demand that the site administrator remove a fan. That is the way it is done in the real world.
Alan Hess Umpires have the right to eject fans. If they are disrupting the game, fans can be removed.
The second the dad came out from the stands I would forfeit his team and leave. Absolutely ridiculous.
1. The ball can start in foul territory and then roll fair. That is a fair ball.
2. The plate and the foul line are in fair territory.
3. Even if the call were wrong this is hardly an "unfair ejection." I would have tossed that coach as soon as he started gesturing and jumping all around. And the assistants would have been gone before they even reached the plate. I appreciate the umpire probably gave them rope given the level of the game, but that was a well-deserved ejection.
This team is lucky it's just a few ejections. So many things I see wrong here ... where to begin?
A foul ball is not out of play. A ball out of play is out of play. A foul ball is still playable, but is a "dead ball" once declared foul.
A foul ball is not a foul ball until it comes to rest in foul territory or passes first or third base in foul territory. A slow roller that starts in foul ground can become fair. That's the case at every single level of baseball.
Foul Ball is in play? Wow, that's a unknowledgable parent. Judging by the parents, I guess I can't be surprised to hear little kids even saying stuff about the umpire. No wonder the world is going to hell. Plus, that umpire should've taken control and not just stood there and let everyone argue.
That was fair. Thats it. Im an ump and that is the right decision to throw him out.
It sure doesn't seem like you're an umpire. Just seems like you're a little kid trying to draw attention
Mitch Tuohey Thats hilarious
Don't know if you're serious or sarcastic. But I'll just take it as a compliment.
"Where do you get your umps?!" The truth is more and more umps have left the game because of parents and coaches like this. No MLB or college scouts are in the stands and no little Johnnies are missing any contracts based on this single call, or this game. Perhaps if the coaches and parents didn't overreact so much more interest in umpiring would exist and you could've had a 2nd umpire at this game to discuss the call.
For what it's worth I don't see anything that leads me to believe the ball was foul, including when the first baseman reaches down and scoops the ball on the line or even within fair territory. The umpire doesn't signal until the baseman grabs the ball. That leads me to believe he grabbed it in fair territory or while the ball was on the line.
no way a foul ball oh my lord the world is going to end
I'm an umpire, the only reason I could think of if the ball truly stopped out of bounds would be the line is not straight or someone made contact with the ball in bounds but that's probably un likely. But the players need to remember to play it like a fair ball
Down side is you often get base lines that are not straight. I'm not talking winding baseline but a little wiggle in it sometimes. If the baseline was real bad, I would have the Home Team reline before starting. Otherwise, Home to 1st and Home to 3rd the line is your determining factor in fair / foul straight or not.
doesn't matter hit the plate you do know fans the plate is fair?
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wait is that suppose to be bad or good comment these faces so small i don't know your laughing for joy at my comment or think i am wrong????????????
The ball can be foul and roll into fair territory or on the line (which is fair territory) before a player touches it. In order for a ball to be foul, a player either has to touch it in foul territory or has to stop moving in foul territory. If it gets back into fair territory before it crosses either third or first and is not touched in foul territory it is fair.
Headline is wrong on both counts: It's a good call (ball can start foul and end up fair, and the plate is in fair territory); and the ejection is anything but unfair (in fact, I would have tossed a few more).
Oh, and the parents are once again embarrassing idiots.
1) Arguing judgement calls specifically calls for ejection by rule. 2) They are using a one umpire system, so why are they arguing? There is no other umpire to discuss things with. 3) As stated before, any parent entering the field is gone. 4) Any coach that reaches down like he did, showing me up, ejected.
Those parents think it's foul because it was in foul territory and then it rolled fair, therefore making it a fair ball
can't see the ball but if the fielder that bends over on the first base line is the one who touched the ball I can understand a fair call.
can't tell if the call was right or not, but the ejection was more than earned.
i really cant see the ball. but from where the fielder picked the ball up it looked like it was on the line, therefore would be a fair ball.
I can't tell if the ball stopped on or outside the line, or if it hit the plate or batter's box because this quality isn't good enough, so I can't say if it was fair or foul, but the players should know to touch a foul ball as quickly as they can if they want it to be foul
This is the biggest problem in youth sports and one of the biggest reasons there are not as many umpires as they should be. Please tell me where the unfair ejection was. The HC can call time and ask about a call. Someone comes out and screams they are leaving. End of discussion.
parents like this are the reason youth sports Gabe no officials
Foul or fair... The ejection was well deserved. Say your peace and go.
Did I just hear a mom say foul balls are in play. Hahaha
This is the guy who is a little too honest sometimes like when he said the kid was scrawny and was gonna bunt
A coach come out to me like that and he (both) will be watching the next play from the parking lot.
Did anybody get the fly off of his leg
Those who get ejected from Little League Baseball = Embarassment to humans everywhere.
Whatever the guy that gets ejected is upset about at home plate has nothing to do with if the ball is fair or foul. I'm not really clear why the umpire never says, "so what?" to him about whatever he's jacked up about.
So its a foul ball by state tournament rules what does that mean? clearly parents have tehre heads up there butts here. and are an embbarsment to the game of baseball.
the only time it matters where it lands is in the outfield. the ball could go into foul and into fair and be touch fair it be fair ball. if touch in foul it be foul ball. the plate is fair. if stays on the plate... its fair (i screw one up call this year called a foul to quick felt bad)
Understand the rules please. If any part of the ball is on or over fair territory it is a fair ball. If the ball is rolling and stops with part of the ball touching the chalk, it’s a fair ball.
I thought he picked it up fair
Just dont see how this is an "unfair ejection". Multiple coaches approach the plate umpire, pointing at the ground and yelling at him. What the call was is irrelevant, you just cant do that to an umpire (especially on a judgement call).
Umpire showed great restraint. Only the managers should have approached him. The assistants should have been sent back to dugout / position. Blue could have ejected quite a few coaches here. Should have ejected a player or 2 as well that acted up beyond what I would have permitted.
What is a fowel ball?
i had a play like this last week. The ball started foul and kicked fair. The issue, to me, are the parents berating what looks like a teenager. Umpires are quitting because of this garbage.
Can I ask where these parents come from?Just wondering
I can't see the ball, but based on the reaction of the offense, I'm guessing it's foul. Also, I am assuming this umpire of this state tournament game is umpiring alone?
Got to be midwest upper?
the whole plate is in fair territory. I have no clue what theses parents are talking about.
These parents obviously don't known the rules. I heard one say the ball hit the plate. The whole plate is in fair territory and if the ball sits on the line it's a fair ball. I'm an umpire myself and have been doing it for 7 years
so i was able to edit the picture and the ball is right over the line that has despaired in the area. the ball is clearly fair and about to go into glove in photo i have i try to load it up zoom in
If you ran out on my field like that in 1981 you'd left in a sheriff's car... And Id told mom and them one time to stfu.. i had a coach thrown out of the league for less... He watched quietly for 2 months
As a coach, I have a code of conduct for all coaches that must be signed, a different code of conduct for the players that must be signed, and most importantly, a code of conduct that the parents must be signed. One of those rules is "Learn the rules of the game". Bad behavior aside, the vast majority of crap that comes from parents in the stands is a result of not knowing the rules, and looking like complete idiots when the umpire is actually doing the right thing.
Why are they playing on a softball field if it's a baseball game?
The OP should be ejected from RUclips for posting a 10 minute video with about 1:20 seconds of content that had even a little bit to do with the title. The ball was fair. The lines are fair ground, as is the plate. He did everything properly except taking off his mask.
With such bad video quality, you can't 'clearly' see anything.
"its about a 6 inch line." what field are you on? that would be hilarious.
great parents. no matter what the call.. great models for their kids
Look, yes umpires can make mistakes quite often. That DOES NOT give anyone, including players, coaches, or parents, to yell at any umpire. If the coach or a parent or player has a question about a call, calmly walk up to the ump and say, "Hey, why did you call it this way?" The call the ump made is a JUDGMENT call. No one may argue these. This also dose not give the right to use poor sportsmanship period. Please show umpires respect. I myself am an umpire and I told the coaches and I earned my repect.
Learn the rules of baseball before you incorrectly criticize an official. By the way, the call was correct....you got it all on tape...congratulations. Ask yourself, how did all of your unfair criticism and arguing contribute to these boys having fun and enjoy playing baseball? Shame on you.
the only thing i would criticizes the umpire for is not taking his mask off to make the call and now going a bit closer to see the ball.
Gavin blew it and no one yelled at him...
I would actually be more wondering if the batter's left foot was outside of the box when contact was made. That looks VERY close.
Bad angle from this camera spot but I would guess if there's anything there, it might be a toe on the plate rather than full foot out of the box
mrlaymansterms1 No rule in OBR says you cannot step on plate. (NFHS specifically states that stepping on plate/contact is out) Virtually all youth leagues start with OBR and then make adjustments for field size and specialized kid rules. I can think of none that change this rule. Rule is that you foot is entirely outside of the box. You league box is 4" away from plate. Kid could easily step on plate with foot still on line and not entirely outside the box.
So are you guessing that they are playing with the OBR set? I'm uncertain what your reply is all about to me
I have reviewed your grainy distant shot and have determined theres not enough conclusive evidence to overturn the call..
We do not get paid near enough to deal with this.
I wish more than anything I could stop some games and wheel out a whiteboard and run a short rules clinic on a play that the baseball moms were losing their minds about.
Can't even see the darn ball from this video.
If you lookup "Nightmare Youth Sports Parent", the woman whose voice we hear would be pictured.
from this angle it looks like the batter could have been called out for touching home while making contact with the ball.....teach kids the right way to bunt, turn hips, not feet.
Touching the plate while making contact with the ball is only illegal under high school rules (NFHS). This game looks like Little League and the rule there (as in MLB rules) states that the batter's foot must be on the ground entirely outside the batter's box while he contacts the ball for it to be illegal. The plate has nothing to do with it. What you stated is one of the most common baseball rules myths.
The batter can touch home when making contact with the ball if part of his foot is still touching the batters box. In order to have a box violation, the ENTIRE foot must be out of the box.
you are incorrect. Again, I'm looking at this from high school rules, and rule 7, section 3, article 2 says the batter shall not "hit the ball while either foot or knee is touching the ground completely outside the lines of the batter's box or touching home plate."
MLB rules only cover the foot/knee being outside the batters box...rule 6.03 I think..google it if you have time. :)
What is a little funny to me is whomever uploaded this video didn't describe what happened, because the video is poor and you can't see the ball. The viewer cannot tell what the complaint they have w/ the umpire. When a parent comes onto the field to complain, he's got to go.
Nobody told the catcher not to throw it to first but complained he did throw it. Then the parents told him he was doing everything right!! Two problems. No one said hold the ball, and if you tell your kid he is an amazing baseball player and is doing everything right when he makes a mistake, he won't learn to do it right. 2 tips: DO NOT LISTEN TO THE CROWD, LISTEN TO THE COACHES. If your coach gets ejected, STILL DO NOT LISTEN TO THE CROWD!!!!!