@@apeshot93 Could be that Rymus created all the universe, and then Zeno just took over, Kinda like God's of Destruction. Rymus does *kinda* have a similar body to Zeno, so maybe they're the same race
@@cmon9505 Zeno is also on a higher dimension. The demon realm is on a lower dimension. The mortal realm is between them both, so it does kinda make sense that Shin / Nahare wouldn't know about Zeno.
@@eighthlegofthephantomtroup1842 No you just made this up. This is not stated anywhere and this episode directly disagrees with that. THe reason Shin didnt know is because Daima wasnt made yet. Now that it is, Rhymus is THE top of the tier list.
Must remind y'all, the lore dump we are getting here is from 'Nahare' as in the young supreme kai. while he says that this 'Rymus' guy is the most powerful authority if I remember correctly I'm pretty sure at the start of super it was made clear that due to his inexperience he didn't actually know about zeno and beerus and the rest. In fact the elder kai was the one who told him about beerus and the higher gods at the start of super Also we know that the multiverse is a well established thing in the db world and they said that 'rymus' created the universe (singular) and then others were also created. perhaps this rymus guy only made our universe 7.
He stated that he created many universes as in plural. However, he did not create the angel realm which is where Whis and the other angels come from. It's likely that Zeno also comes from this realm and is the Yin to Rymus's Yang. We have already seen in super that the destroyers are stronger than the creators(Kais) so in keeping with that rule, Zeno is more powerful than Rymus. Rymus was stated to be "the highest authority in the universe" whereas Zeno was stated to be the supreme being of the Multiverse with nobody ranking above him. Its probable that Rymus has ruling power over the universes individually but Zeno has rule over all universes as well and ranks above. Rymus is also referred to as "the highest authority" not the strongest since on a universal level that title belongs to the destroyers with few exceptions.
Marin kuu ended up being a lot more interesting than I imagined, I thought he was gonna be this new edgy evil buu. But he seems, young, Earnest, and eager to impress. He actually has a personality, which I wasn’t expecting. He definitely seems a lot more interesting than I original thought he’d be.
Rymus created all universes and appointed Supreme Kais to oversee them. Zeno is the Omni King, ruling over all of these universes and appointing Destroyer Gods in each. Then there is an attend to Zeno, Grand Priest, who appears to be the father of all angels and assigns an angel as an attendee to each destroyer. Zeno and Rymus are undoubtedly related because they look very similar. My guess is Rymus is Zeno's father because Rymus is old and appears wise, whereas Zeno has childlike behavior. I believe this is all a great setup that will be explored further in Super arcs.
Exactly. It's so simple to figure out. As u said, even the character design n clothing n shit looks similar. And the explanation there ties right in. It will all come together soon.
@danielevans9264 There have been rumours that Daima is simply a setup for more Super content, and I can clearly see this happening. I hope the fans understand that the insane lore dumps in Daima aren't for no reason lol. Daima only makes me more hyped for whatever we will get next when Super returns.
What happens in this physical realm is not a representation of happens in higher dimensional rounds. For example supreme power Akira Toriyama saying is childlike. That’s why Kid Buu is the strongest because he appears childlike childlike is innocence innocence is supreme power. That’s why Goku is now a child again kid Goku is supreme power. Because his pure of heart equates to his innocence which equates to power. The elder being or whatever elder Zeno like person, is a lower subordinate. Age is a digression from Power to never age shows you are supremely powerful. These are spiritual concepts that all go hand-in-hand in our different lessons in the physical mundane life you and I are used to
@@jordanglasper1064 I completely agree with you. The similarity in design prompted me to think so. It is more that Rymus is an incredibly powerful wizard from a lower dimension, whereas Zeno is a powerful spiritual being from a higher dimension. But it still makes me think that there must be some connection between the two, as Zeno is now ruling over something Rymus created.
Idk why some people feel this is a retcon about the creator. Zeno has an angel with him. He is more like Beerus, a destroyer and ruler. Meanwhile this guy is a creator god like the supreme kais.
At this point just ignore people using the word retcon just like everything else on the internet these days people are just using it without knowing what it means because they know the idiots will give them the the likes they want. It also doesn’t help when you have these big Dragonball RUclipsrs like Geekdom and such throwing the word around, and causing everyone else in the fandom to do it too. This is far from a retcon because it’s never even been explained before it’s just information we finally are finding out doesn’t change the established lore or anything.
nah bro Zeno is above all, when Beerus and Champa had their tourney and Zeno appears at the end, we see that Supreme Kai sees him for the first time, he literally didn’t know he existed
Easily the craziest lore drop episode in all of Dragon Ball. Crazy! Kai is talking about the Multiverse. They're not inside the Demon Realm, as we can see show them all of the Universes Kais, including Gowasu.
When Piccolo says his father lived in the Demon Realm, he probably means Katas, The father of the Nameless Namekian who split King Piccolo out of himself and became Kami who then later became the Nameless Namekian once again once Piccolo and Kami fused. King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. are sort of technically the same person since Jr is the reincarnation of King Piccolo and has the memories of King Piccolo and even counts towards the life-link with Kami. Also in DBS Super Hero when Gamma 2 calls Piccolo "Demon King Piccolo", rather than say "Oh no that was my dad." he instead says "Sorry, I'm just Piccolo now." and in the dub he says "Just Piccolo, you're thinking of the guy I was before."
If the Majins are the originate beings of the universes. Then that makes Majora of universe even more relevant than I thought. Supers writting did 'em wrong but there's always been a feeling some characters from the ToP had more purpose than what they were given. Maybe Majora is some form of other Namekian that resign in u4?
The easiest answer is simply that Toriyama makes shit up as the story went along (and I mean that as a compliment) but it's possible that Grand Supreme Kai is just a title, and not indicative of their potential. Earlier in Daima it's said that Buu is part of the reason why the Kais emigrated to the universes, on top of Abura's tyranny.
I mean that’s how namekians reproduce they have eggs, lol goku hit that man so hard he had a baby, and that baby hated goku for a while… and yes piccolo is only 3 years older than gohan.
It's the multiverse they created which is the one outside of the demon realm. According to Whis, there was originally 18 universes until xeno erased all the other ones because he was bored until there was 12
Clarification: Majin means Magic-Person or Demon-Person depending on the context. Majin Buu is a magical creature so it would be accurate to call him Magic-Person Buu or Demon-Person Buu. Or we could combine them for Magic-Demon-Person Buu. Majin isn't a race, not really unless you are referring to its Demon-Person context. But the show does often refer to demons as "demons" so Majin most likely just mean Magic-Person.
Kid Buu took a beating from a Kaioshin in DBZ but made up for it with interesting magic and exotic abilities like the ability to Absorb stronger warriors.
Remember that in dragonball when a villians says something about something does not mean its true... she said majin buu was a fluke.. but people did not understand she meant the fact it couldnt be controlled.. not that it was weak.. majin Kuu has female tributes and we could easly see it 😂 i mean he even states he is good a shopping... 😂😂😂😂
@ Yes technically, but: 1. He is also the reincarnation or reborn with all the memories of previous self, so kinda 2. We know the origin of king piccolo as in he was created on earth. So he wouldn’t know anything about namek history. 3. After fusing back with Kami he’s technically a new person. He only still call himself piccolo for convenience. 4. The explanation piccolo gives only makes sense if he’s talking from the perspective of his former self’s “Kami + piccolo” father that sent him to earth from namek.
The lore is enough for me to say that Daima is better than GT, and potentially Super. I like the OG Dragon Ball pacing as well. This tiktok attention span generation don't get it xD I'm already excited with stuff like Zeno's connection to Rymus, Moro's origin 'coz he does magic, and Angels' origin. I wonder if Toriyama told Toyotaro ahead stuff about Yamoshi, the OG Super Saiyan God, and Zalama.
He knows of Beerus(or at least the existence of destroyers) but not Zeno. Zeno likely comes from the angel realm. I could be wrong and it may get revealed that Zeno is Rymus's son or brother or some shit but it doesn't seem likely.
@@ACoffeeFan238 Right, I was thinking the same, if there is a demon realm there has to be angels, shin doesn't talk about them because it doesn't makes sense to bring them up. Also i think before everything is said and done they will show them or speak of them, they showed Gowasu.
Anything mixed with saibamen is Weak! Thats why kuu was struggling. If it had an actual demon recipe you would see the difference. Kuu is a good guy but gets manipulated to turn into a villain. Kuu is not evil.
My small theory is: just like how Supreme Kais(God of Creations) and God Of Destructions comes in pairs, is it possible that Rymus is the god at the top of the totem pole when it comes to gods of Creation and Zeno is at the top of the totem pole when it come to gods of destruction. So far everything we've seen from Zeno is him destroying things (from using planets as a board game to erasing i think 6 universes because he got annoyed by them and erasing universes during ToP by pressing a button. So is it possible that Rymus is the Omni King of Creation and Zeno is the Omni King of Destruction?
@Guyton1824 i feel like he serves under them. And oversees the angels, GoD, and Kais. Kinda like how Supreme Kais over sees the Grand Kai, and the 4 Quadrant Kais.
Anyway, bro, this episode explained some interesting things, in fact it's good to see that DB isn't just about fighting but also has a very good story to be enjoyed.
Kuu is not meant to be a final villain/boss, he is just a lacky/underling for Arinsu. In fact we don't even know who is the true final villain of Daima just yet. Before you said underlings should also be badasses, remember the Ginyu Force? Yes most of them look cool (except for Guldo) and are powerful in their own right, but they perform very goofy dance poses. Android 19 is literaly a plum doll thing and Pui Pui is fodder to Vegeta.
As a reminder: Shin literally did not know Zeno existed prior to Super. He's telling you the cosmology as he understands it.
Well Zeno was never supposed to be the creator
He was simply the ruler
Most likely rymus was the one who put all this authority in place
@@cmon9505that make no sense shin and whis stated no one above zeno.
@@apeshot93 Could be that Rymus created all the universe, and then Zeno just took over, Kinda like God's of Destruction.
Rymus does *kinda* have a similar body to Zeno, so maybe they're the same race
@@cmon9505 Zeno is also on a higher dimension. The demon realm is on a lower dimension. The mortal realm is between them both, so it does kinda make sense that Shin / Nahare wouldn't know about Zeno.
@@eighthlegofthephantomtroup1842 No you just made this up. This is not stated anywhere and this episode directly disagrees with that. THe reason Shin didnt know is because Daima wasnt made yet. Now that it is, Rhymus is THE top of the tier list.
Must remind y'all, the lore dump we are getting here is from 'Nahare' as in the young supreme kai. while he says that this 'Rymus' guy is the most powerful authority if I remember correctly I'm pretty sure at the start of super it was made clear that due to his inexperience he didn't actually know about zeno and beerus and the rest. In fact the elder kai was the one who told him about beerus and the higher gods at the start of super
Also we know that the multiverse is a well established thing in the db world and they said that 'rymus' created the universe (singular) and then others were also created. perhaps this rymus guy only made our universe 7.
This makes sense ❤
Supreme kai knew about Beerus though he just didn’t know about Zeno
He stated that he created many universes as in plural. However, he did not create the angel realm which is where Whis and the other angels come from. It's likely that Zeno also comes from this realm and is the Yin to Rymus's Yang. We have already seen in super that the destroyers are stronger than the creators(Kais) so in keeping with that rule, Zeno is more powerful than Rymus. Rymus was stated to be "the highest authority in the universe" whereas Zeno was stated to be the supreme being of the Multiverse with nobody ranking above him. Its probable that Rymus has ruling power over the universes individually but Zeno has rule over all universes as well and ranks above. Rymus is also referred to as "the highest authority" not the strongest since on a universal level that title belongs to the destroyers with few exceptions.
Nah rymus created the multiverse since he chose the supreme kais to look after the multiple universes he created.
He said universes
Marin kuu ended up being a lot more interesting than I imagined, I thought he was gonna be this new edgy evil buu. But he seems, young, Earnest, and eager to impress. He actually has a personality, which I wasn’t expecting. He definitely seems a lot more interesting than I original thought he’d be.
Rymus created all universes and appointed Supreme Kais to oversee them. Zeno is the Omni King, ruling over all of these universes and appointing Destroyer Gods in each. Then there is an attend to Zeno, Grand Priest, who appears to be the father of all angels and assigns an angel as an attendee to each destroyer.
Zeno and Rymus are undoubtedly related because they look very similar. My guess is Rymus is Zeno's father because Rymus is old and appears wise, whereas Zeno has childlike behavior. I believe this is all a great setup that will be explored further in Super arcs.
Exactly. It's so simple to figure out. As u said, even the character design n clothing n shit looks similar. And the explanation there ties right in. It will all come together soon.
@danielevans9264 There have been rumours that Daima is simply a setup for more Super content, and I can clearly see this happening. I hope the fans understand that the insane lore dumps in Daima aren't for no reason lol. Daima only makes me more hyped for whatever we will get next when Super returns.
Nope
What happens in this physical realm is not a representation of happens in higher dimensional rounds. For example supreme power Akira Toriyama saying is childlike. That’s why Kid Buu is the strongest because he appears childlike childlike is innocence innocence is supreme power. That’s why Goku is now a child again kid Goku is supreme power. Because his pure of heart equates to his innocence which equates to power. The elder being or whatever elder Zeno like person, is a lower subordinate. Age is a digression from Power to never age shows you are supremely powerful. These are spiritual concepts that all go hand-in-hand in our different lessons in the physical mundane life you and I are used to
@@jordanglasper1064 I completely agree with you. The similarity in design prompted me to think so. It is more that Rymus is an incredibly powerful wizard from a lower dimension, whereas Zeno is a powerful spiritual being from a higher dimension. But it still makes me think that there must be some connection between the two, as Zeno is now ruling over something Rymus created.
This episode was interesting, it explained a lot.
Idk why some people feel this is a retcon about the creator.
Zeno has an angel with him. He is more like Beerus, a destroyer and ruler.
Meanwhile this guy is a creator god like the supreme kais.
At this point just ignore people using the word retcon just like everything else on the internet these days people are just using it without knowing what it means because they know the idiots will give them the the likes they want. It also doesn’t help when you have these big Dragonball RUclipsrs like Geekdom and such throwing the word around, and causing everyone else in the fandom to do it too. This is far from a retcon because it’s never even been explained before it’s just information we finally are finding out doesn’t change the established lore or anything.
No moron
nah bro Zeno is above all, when Beerus and Champa had their tourney and Zeno appears at the end, we see that Supreme Kai sees him for the first time, he literally didn’t know he existed
Easily the craziest lore drop episode in all of Dragon Ball. Crazy! Kai is talking about the Multiverse. They're not inside the Demon Realm, as we can see show them all of the Universes Kais, including Gowasu.
Majin Kuu is Majin fraud. 😭
At least his personality is better. He seems like a chill guy.
When Piccolo says his father lived in the Demon Realm, he probably means Katas, The father of the Nameless Namekian who split King Piccolo out of himself and became Kami who then later became the Nameless Namekian once again once Piccolo and Kami fused. King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. are sort of technically the same person since Jr is the reincarnation of King Piccolo and has the memories of King Piccolo and even counts towards the life-link with Kami. Also in DBS Super Hero when Gamma 2 calls Piccolo "Demon King Piccolo", rather than say "Oh no that was my dad." he instead says "Sorry, I'm just Piccolo now." and in the dub he says "Just Piccolo, you're thinking of the guy I was before."
They created the universe outside of the demon realm
If the Majins are the originate beings of the universes. Then that makes Majora of universe even more relevant than I thought.
Supers writting did 'em wrong but there's always been a feeling some characters from the ToP had more purpose than what they were given.
Maybe Majora is some form of other Namekian that resign in u4?
The Fun style of fight work for gag characters like Jaco the Patrol Galatic in a Villain I want someone very serious like Zamasu and Goku Black.
1. So who is Grand Supreme Kai ? (The Fat Supreme Kai who Buu absorbed)
2. How come other Universes don't have a "Grand Supreme Kai" ?
The easiest answer is simply that Toriyama makes shit up as the story went along (and I mean that as a compliment) but it's possible that Grand Supreme Kai is just a title, and not indicative of their potential. Earlier in Daima it's said that Buu is part of the reason why the Kais emigrated to the universes, on top of Abura's tyranny.
11:25 is it possible that Neva had god ki, he so old and he knows so much skills and abilities that would it be surprising 8f he attained god ki
I mean that’s how namekians reproduce they have eggs, lol goku hit that man so hard he had a baby, and that baby hated goku for a while… and yes piccolo is only 3 years older than gohan.
Majin kuu did a pikkon type move with that tornado attack lol
King piccolo and J.r. are the same person, I think. So when he mentioned his dad he was probably talking about "kami's" father who sent him to earth.
It's the multiverse they created which is the one outside of the demon realm. According to
Whis, there was originally 18 universes until xeno erased all the other ones because he was bored until there was 12
No idiot those are separate multiverses
Clarification: Majin means Magic-Person or Demon-Person depending on the context. Majin Buu is a magical creature so it would be accurate to call him Magic-Person Buu or Demon-Person Buu. Or we could combine them for Magic-Demon-Person Buu. Majin isn't a race, not really unless you are referring to its Demon-Person context. But the show does often refer to demons as "demons" so Majin most likely just mean Magic-Person.
Kid Buu took a beating from a Kaioshin in DBZ but made up for it with interesting magic and exotic abilities like the ability to Absorb stronger warriors.
Remember that in dragonball when a villians says something about something does not mean its true... she said majin buu was a fluke.. but people did not understand she meant the fact it couldnt be controlled.. not that it was weak.. majin Kuu has female tributes and we could easly see it 😂 i mean he even states he is good a shopping... 😂😂😂😂
They just casually dropped Gowasu in there. Crazy if you didn’t watch super, you’d be lost on that one.
Lore bomb crazy
The dad piccolo is referring could be Nail’s or Kami’s. King piccolo was just a piece of Kami.
He does refer to King Piccolo as his father though in dragon ball.
@ Yes technically, but:
1. He is also the reincarnation or reborn with all the memories of previous self, so kinda
2. We know the origin of king piccolo as in he was created on earth. So he wouldn’t know anything about namek history.
3. After fusing back with Kami he’s technically a new person. He only still call himself piccolo for convenience.
4. The explanation piccolo gives only makes sense if he’s talking from the perspective of his former self’s “Kami + piccolo” father that sent him to earth from namek.
8:15 - Well if were being accurate, it would have the Namek that Kami and Demon King Piccolo separated from, those two were once one after all.
im th only one who thinks that Kami sama and this older namekian are brothers?
Bulma might try to recreate the Ki dna to keep them
From dying out 😅
The lore is enough for me to say that Daima is better than GT, and potentially Super. I like the OG Dragon Ball pacing as well. This tiktok attention span generation don't get it xD I'm already excited with stuff like Zeno's connection to Rymus, Moro's origin 'coz he does magic, and Angels' origin. I wonder if Toriyama told Toyotaro ahead stuff about Yamoshi, the OG Super Saiyan God, and Zalama.
Who does rymus look like to you from super @10:10
This majin boo is crazy
Ep 10 on tuesday bro!
Piccolo is being a lookout
Rymus look like zen ohs daddy or grandaddy
I think Arinsu is going to instruct KUU to absorb Goma 😅
Giant octopus 🐙
I like Bulma’s necklace
What if that guy Piccolo grandfather
Why this tamagami 1 looks resemble of kamen rider black rx
You caught that, too, huh?
Zeno is a descendants of the majin
Also Shin literally doesn't even know Beerus exists at this point let alone Zeno.
He knows of Beerus(or at least the existence of destroyers) but not Zeno. Zeno likely comes from the angel realm. I could be wrong and it may get revealed that Zeno is Rymus's son or brother or some shit but it doesn't seem likely.
@@ACoffeeFan238 Right, I was thinking the same, if there is a demon realm there has to be angels, shin doesn't talk about them because it doesn't makes sense to bring them up. Also i think before everything is said and done they will show them or speak of them, they showed Gowasu.
Nope
is majin kuu ssj2 level?
I think between normal goku and ssj1 goku
COuldn't Majin kuu just absorb the tanigami??
Together again
I expected Majin Kuu to have interesting skills and magic, He was a disappointment in both design and skills.
Sonic three trailer
Majin Kuu is a joke character. Kid Buu would have solo'ed the Tamagami and got that Dragon Ball without sweating.
🙂👍🏾🎥
Anything mixed with saibamen is Weak! Thats why kuu was struggling. If it had an actual demon recipe you would see the difference. Kuu is a good guy but gets manipulated to turn into a villain. Kuu is not evil.
Majon kuus dseign is ass, but i actually kinda like his character lol
I don't think majin kuu is as strong as kid buu was, also I think tamagami 1 is the strongest of the 3
Bulma x Vegeta
My small theory is: just like how Supreme Kais(God of Creations) and God Of Destructions comes in pairs, is it possible that Rymus is the god at the top of the totem pole when it comes to gods of Creation and Zeno is at the top of the totem pole when it come to gods of destruction. So far everything we've seen from Zeno is him destroying things (from using planets as a board game to erasing i think 6 universes because he got annoyed by them and erasing universes during ToP by pressing a button. So is it possible that Rymus is the Omni King of Creation and Zeno is the Omni King of Destruction?
I Have the same theory but where do you think the grand priest fits into all this?
@Guyton1824 i feel like he serves under them. And oversees the angels, GoD, and Kais. Kinda like how Supreme Kais over sees the Grand Kai, and the 4 Quadrant Kais.
No just no
Kuu is ass... woah! Dissapointing and that's what we waited for a week? At least the lore in this episode was pretty cool.
Bruh
Anyway, bro, this episode explained some interesting things, in fact it's good to see that DB isn't just about fighting but also has a very good story to be enjoyed.
The whole series is a major disappointment so far, at this rate they should just bring back DBS because Daima is trash and it’s a shame.
Kuu is not meant to be a final villain/boss, he is just a lacky/underling for Arinsu. In fact we don't even know who is the true final villain of Daima just yet. Before you said underlings should also be badasses, remember the Ginyu Force? Yes most of them look cool (except for Guldo) and are powerful in their own right, but they perform very goofy dance poses. Android 19 is literaly a plum doll thing and Pui Pui is fodder to Vegeta.
Kuu is a super fun character. You're not supposed to rate characters just by their power level. lmao
I legitimately cannot believe how bad Daima is.