TanaCon CEO Michael Weist's Overly Defensive Body Language is Revealing Nonverbal Analyst Reacts
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- Опубликовано: 23 май 2021
- TanaCon was a disaster and the creators of the failed event have received a substantial amount of backlash for more or less scamming thousands of fans and leaving them in the hot summer sun without any shelter or amenities. Michael Weist (co-creator of the event) went on Dr. Phil to "try to heal." It didn't go well, and people have asked me to analyze his nonverbal communication to see what we can see!
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hi im Amanda in the interview. I wasnt “coached” necessarily because I am a youtuber and made it clear what I wanted to say to Michael but my assigned producer was clearly trying to “hype me up” in a sense. I was not told to be polite, the smiling and all that was me being nervous about being on tv and Im just fairly expressive with my face but especially when Im being told a load of lies like Michael was. Also the closed mouth thing was a tick of sorts at the time because I was on Acutane which made my lips incredibly dry. Loved this breakdown!
Thanks for clearing that up! You kept your composure and did so well in that interview.
You were so nice I would’ve lost my shit and went for the throat. You did great!
We are sad DrPhil didn’t send Michael to Turnabout Ranch
You were why more tolorent then I would have been.
Much love to you Amanda 💖
"That's literally exactly why you're here" - Amanda is a Queen
Yaaass
REEEEE
I said it out loud in disbelief a moment prior to her saying that and when I heard it, I clapped.
Shawty feels like a Capricorn
@@basicbrittani SAME! she brought no mercy and michael deserved none of it XD
True Story
I was at Tanacon and let me tell you, Michael Weist had his assistant on the front lines taking the heat while he rode around on his Segway in a panic lol.
I remember seeing a long video that Adam22 did while he was there, that’s true.
😆😆😆
I remember watching Shane’s video on him and the dude literally admitted that he had no clue what he was doing, and now he’s acting different🥴
This dweeb just rode around on a Segway while Tanacon went down in flames? What a giant geek!
I imagined panicked gay guy in his pink faux fur riding a segway. My day is made🙆♀️
“We can talk about some of the lies you mentioned earlier” - WOOO that took me by surprise lol, good for her 👏🏼👏🏼
Or when he's trying to say he's not hear to talk about the past and she's like "That's literally why you're here." 😂😂😂
Yes! She’s so professional and so straight forward. Freaking love her interview.
If you wanna see more of her she's Swell entertainer on RUclips!
M’am came to verbally slap his shit down With poise.
I love Amanda from Swell Entertainment SO much
When she literally told him not to kill himself and he tried to say, "I SHOULD?" Disgusting, like she's offering you some sympathy and he can only ever think of manipulation or alternatively of himself. Glad she corrected him immediately, she never ever took any bs from him.
And I'm glad she didn't apologize as if it were even possible he misunderstood what she said. She chastised him like she was his mother, and called him out for doing it on purpose.
I get the feeling from him that he is just slimy enough to be the type of person that would gossip about someone behind their back and slip in a snide "she should just k!ll herself", but not have the balls to say things like that to someone's face. He seems VERY hypocritical. Like he's constantly judging others, but can't take ANY criticism directed at himself. I'm so happy that lady set his ass straight when he tried to put words in her mouth!
@@AbbeyMarieEsp I 100% absolutely agree!
I, to be fair, also thought it sounded that way. He was talking and it just wasn’t clear what she said. He was feeling emotional and defensive so I think it’s very believable he just misheard (there’s no reason for him to fake that when she can just clarify).
Like, he’s in the wrong overall but I don’t think he was deliberately twisting her words in that moment.
Especially since he was the one who brought it up in the first place.
She never even implied anything even remotely close and he just came out of nowhere like "You think I should kill myself over it!?"
Like no one (at least there in that interview) said that, you hyperbolic wacko
I think if I messed up really badly publicly, I would just apologize non-stop, and then just diseappear forever to hide under a rock.
Same
You probably have a smaller ego than most celebrities
I would literally move to the desert planet of Tatooine and live out the rest of my days as Old Ben Kenobi
Me too...but some people thrive on that negative attention, I will never understand that.
Cause you have a sense of shame.
I have to say Dr. Phil telling him how an apology should work is hilarious. When it was Phil's turn to apologize not that long ago his apology was trash but here we can see that he does know what a genuine apology should be.
hi! i’m pretty unaware of dr. phil’s situation haha what did he apologize for?? and why was his apology poor?
@@avaperkins112 hi! If you go back 3 weeks on the video tab you can see the video that Logan did that explains the situation. But in summary he was accused of being complicit in the abuse that a former guest on the show was subject to by a "behavioral correction" ranch. She asked for an apology for the abuse that she was subjected to and he couldn't be bothered.
@@Selene_Rosara oop- that’s not good! i’ll go check that vid out. thank u!!:)
@@avaperkins112 you're welcome! And yea, it's definitely not good lol.
That’s exactly what I thought of.
michael is so unconvincing that he basically took all of the heat off of TANA for TANAcon... that speaks volumes💀
Well Shane's "documentary" helped make it look like Tana was a victim too
After watching Amanda’s latest video it makes sense tho, he basically is doing it so he doesn’t get sued for doing tanacon 2
“who advertised that?” he literally planned out the whole event. he knew exactly who was advertising it 😭
“What did I do wrong? I only failed to organise an event I was organising. Why should I be held responsible for that?”
The funny thing is even if he didn't directly advertised that (which is I doubt but I'll bite) and he delegated it to someone else, that's still on him.
As the lead, he should have known who is the best for it, should have checked up on the person and should have been giving a more hands on approach.
So regardless, it's on him.
It’s in the name. It’s Tanacon so Tana advertised it. I wonder how it slipped his mind 😄
He should know the name since trademarked it for Tanacon 2.
Who advertised that? Uhhhh you and TANA…. You know the Tana for Tanacon?!?!?
Michael lied. 20k didn’t show up, only 5k did... the same amount of people who bought tickets.
Yeah in the Shane doc they talk about purposefully overselling tickets. They knew (or should have known) the hotel had a capacity of about 1000.
Why would he like and say more when that would make him look worse? Like he knew the capacity but created a situation where ppl would show up hoping for a free ticket, bc they said it was a free event. I'm a little confused.
I scrolled own to the comments to see if someone had said this already, if not I was going to mention it. It's an important fact because saying that that 20 thousand people showed up makes it sound like the overcrowding and cluster fuck that accompanied it was just an unfortunate occurrence that wasn't really the organizers fault . However the truth, as you said was that they sold 5 thousand tickets and that's how many people showed up, so there should not have been a problem accommodating them if Tana and Michael had done things correctly.
Amanda is taking no ones sh*t, love her
Ikr
watch her vid on it at swell entertainment, very informative
Amanda said in her video that the reason he is so pissed when Dr. Phil calls him out for being angry and defensive is because they cut out all of her pulling the receipts for Tannacon 2.
Right! And she also asked if he was worried about getting sued by Tana for using her name. And Michael did accidentally confirm that there was active litigation! Amanda really hit the nail on the head
She CLEARLY came 100% more prepared than he was. It’s clear that he genuinely was expecting, as you said at the beginning, for them to not question his answers and have not done some research. Here she is laying out the evidences such as the date, the documentary that he made, like he just looks like a complete fool up there. Narcissism at its finest.
Amanda is a RUclipsr: SwellEntertainment - she did at least one video on Tanacon when she went, talking about it. I DO think, to an extent, the smiling thing is just something she does, it's a pretty normal expression for her to have in her videos, so I'm unsure how much coaching she got. Depending on an NDA and such, though, it's very possible she will make a video talking about the behind-the-scenes stuff in regards to being on Dr Phil, and she'll likely mention any coaching, like she did for Lily Singh's show.
She does smile soooo often, especially when uncomfortable or emphasis. She also doesn't seem like the type to do exactly what she does, I think it's just her being trained to do it cause she is 100% a youtuber that has to have at least some form of repour lol
So much this. This is just her normal body language when she's doing videos, she's very expressive
@@Faeree Do you mean “rapport”?
She actually commented herself. Right above yours saying she wasn't coached. She just smiles a lot. Even when addressing things she hates/doesn't like.
@@Orion_TheyThem Yeah, I see xD she hadn't yet when I posted, but I'm glad that my impressions were correct
When Amanda says "You shouldn't kill yourself." And he reacts "What you say?!" demonstrates how overly defensive he was.
To be fair maybe there was lag and perhaps he really didn't hear her right. But it seemed like he was more willing he to hear her say SHOULD DO that, than Shouldn't.
To be fair, at first I thought she may have said "should" as well, especially when Logan stopped it right after. He does act the victim through this whole thing so I could see how he would jump to any conclusion that would further that.
@@littlemissmel88 Yeah, at first I heard that as well and then I had to pause because I see Amanda's content and would never paint her as the type of person to say someone should harm themselves. He is a spoiled little brat that deserves every call out, but I don't blame him for misshearing.
Honestly I was multitasking while listening and I head her say “you SHOULD ☠️ yourself”, so likely he heard the same. However the diff is I was nearly positive I heard her wrong, meanwhile he assumed she would say something that horrible (on live tv nonetheless). Which goes to show how self centered and defensive he was in this interview.
Damn amanda murdered michael. Love how she's not beating around the bush to call him out.
She’s such a badass. 💕
.....I CANNOT believe he really just said that if he flew his employees out of state to a convention and told them they needed to "earn a bed to sleep in" that he "had a good reason". This guy is a monster.
I haven't watched THIS video yet, but I watched both full episodes of him on Dr Phil, and I already KNOW he was trying to lie there...its so obvious...then he realizes Phil isn't buying his story, he goes back to "I dont remember..."
If he had just apologized from the beginning, I’m sure most people would have had more sympathy for him.
His lack of empathy for others, deceit, straight up lying through his teeth, and disregard for other people’s health and safety is what is so maddening. He’s just showing his true colors. I suspect narcissistic traits.
Not to internet diagnose someone, but based on your list of behaviours (all of which I fully agree with, Michaels behaviours are very concerning), are actually more consistent with anti-social personality disorder as defined by the DSM-5 (Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders published by the American psychology association - aka the people who decided on Apa format).
Lying and deceit for some kind of personal gain is a criteria for ASPD but not a criteria for narcissistic personality disorder (although it can be a comorbid thing which can be a confounding variable but that's not the point of this ramble)
Now anytime someone says “Ugh uh I don’t know that was such a long time ago” I think of Stephanie Lazarus lol
Oh geez I can’t recall, it was such a long time ago I mean gosh I haven’t thought about any of this in years oh geez lol
@@talpamorales4510 Ok um, like i said i'm faintly remembering that i went to Hawaii, with my friend Greg, Greg and I got certified for scuba diving... Ummm...
@@talpamorales4510 😂 👌🏽
Well you see around that time I'd been colouring my hair and I remember that I think he had two goldfish back then? But I mean it was like a million years ago, gosh, so ...
*remembers she lives on the third floor with a girl and where she was in the neighborhood and what her roommate made for dinner* .... “well, about how long we’re you two dating?”
**”Oh gee idk it was so long ago!”**
The only reason Tana doesn’t continue to get more backlash from Tana Con is simply that she has created significantly more notable drama worthy news around herself since then
she also owned up to it more than he did...hes made excuses since day 1, hes completely blind to any mistakes he made
Every time I think she couldn't possibly be more distasteful,
girl proves me wrong!
How does she never get better, only worse?!?
@@jjanaury3 she did but not in the way that people think, she said sorry over and over again but didn't explicitly say what she's sorry for. In reality while all those people were cooking outside she was running around her hotel room naked screeching about how many people showed up for "her only."
@@jjanaury3 what i have an issue with is that she said "i take full responsibility for everything" but than still shoved so many excuses in the same sentence, although i agree this guy is far more puncheable than tana
@@zidian1356 yeah I mean shes not getting any award for her apology but everytime I hear this guy speak it makes me angry about something I didnt even attend that happened how long ago..thats a special kind of shitty person lol
I actually felt pretty sympathetic towards Michael after tanacon. I thought he was young and I knew Tana wasn’t the best person to work with. This Dr.Phil episode took away any shred of sympathy I had for him lol
lol exactly!! i actually placed most of the blame on tana, forgetting that she wasn't the only event planner.. until now. he really played himself 😂
Yeah this made him look so much worse, especially because Amanda and Phil were calling him out. Though I wish Phil had said more about him using suicide as a manipulation tactic.
i guarantee every suicidal person cringed very hard whenever he brought up his suicidal thoughts. child trying to use that as a weapon it’s disgusting
I truly think he was under the impression that he would be on the show to talk about online bullying. Dr. Phil is known to lie or be dishonest with his guests to get them to appear on the show.
Ah, that’s right! I understand now. I was wondering why Micheal emphasized that he’s there to heal and move on. Like, why else would Dr Phil ask you to be on the show when you’re only known for this failed event, sooo....
I think you’re totally right! He seems confused the whole time as to why he’s answering these types of questions.
Yes! He literally did it to me!!
@@sweetsweatypeaches1328 If you’re comfy do you wanna elaborate that? I’d like to hear about it
He knew he would be on here to talk about Tanacon because ALL of his team, and several creators/ fans who attended the event were asked for interviews / comments/ footage months before Michael even went in to film. He just stupidly thought he was going to be hailed as the victim because hes getting hate online.
I feel like Tanacon is old news - I find it curious Michael dedided to go on Dr. Phil of all places, to talk about this. I don't necessarily think that Dr. Phil is a place you go to "heal", it's more of place you go to make ruckus. It seems like Michael is still trying to salvage his brand and perhaps to make a comeback of sorts?
Amanda from Swell Entertainment, the woman in the video, actually just released a video about this from her perspective and she does have a suspicion as to Michael's true intention here.
Apparently Dr. Phil cut some of her questions from the episode regarding the possibility of Michael pushing for a Tanacon2 since (a) they trademarked Tanacon back in April 2020 and (b) they started selling Tanacon merch again in May 2020.
You should check out her RUclips channel.
Very true! And then there is something going on with Michael and Danielle Cohn, gosh i hope they are not gonna do the same thing
Michael wants a Shane Dawson style image glow-up, basically. Too bad for him A. Shane Dawson is canceled right now and B. Even if he wasn't, he's already good friends with Tana and he already did a doc on Tanacon which, shocker, helped Tana dodge a lot of the backlash from the event. Dr. Phil was the next best thing and he's probably hoping for Bahd Bahbie style infamy now that he can coast off of for his next project
Tana.. where was she through all this??
30:31 the way he said “but, uh, thank you for your observation” in that snobby voice made me suck air through my teeth in the kiss-teeth sound. Not a sound that’s part of my dialect or that I’m exposed to regularly, but the sheer revulsion at his brattiness forced the noise out of me
A visceral reaction, if you will
I had a similar reaction at 51:27 . How do you not remember telling your employees that they had to "earn a bed"? It's such seedy behavior
This was written like poetry. So accurate, I did the same thing
a sound thats highly common in mine. when you make the sound you “suck your teeth”, which sounds kinda weird now bc ive never had to explain it hehe.
@Oliver Von arx it can also be described as a "tsk" sound. That's how it's commonly written down, anyway. Used to show disappointment, disgust, or annoyance usually
“You shouldn’t kill your self”
“WHATD YOU SAY?!”
Sooo funny.
had to rewatch that so many times lmfao
My favourite thing about this channel:
*Logan comments about how horrible everything is going*
"Okay, let's keep watching."
I think it’s inherently human to can’t stop watching disasters happen, especially to questionable people.
Haha same 😂😂
Dr Phil should’ve said “Amanda, take it away”
*cues victory music
Loved how she had all her facts ready
Everyone remember Tana's promo line - 'like Vidcon but bigger, better and FREER'.
Free like Herpes
Agree i rmbr clicking on the link under tana's video and seeing that it was free and u can upgrade to VIP..i was going to drive from phoenix but i had a 1 1/2 year old who got car sick so while i cleaned it up we watched people posting videos of how bad it was and how many people where there..we turned around and went home
@@breihannawillhite6267 why would you go to that cringe garbage?
@@PepeDeezNutz i wanted to meet shane
@@breihannawillhite6267 with an infant with you? That didn't age well.
Using suicidal thoughts and tendencies as a tool to manipulate people is sickening. I have had multiple experiences where someone has tried to use that against me and manipulate me, including a guy trying to force me into a relationship using his past attempted suicide. It sucked. And to see that tactic here is disgusting to me. If you have suicidal thoughts, your feelings are valid and should be addressed, but they should not be used as a weapon.
(Edit: Sorry I had some grammar I wanted to fix.)
I’m always in awe of someone who has so little self awareness that he actually thinks he’s putting up a good defense and actually believes that people will believe his lies.
I know. How do they do that?
I am amazed by how he kept lying even after being openly called out for it.
"This whole thing was planned in a month."
"We did that thing months in advance."
Yeah, sure you did.
I’ve always been amused at how stupid many liars are-they don’t realize that not everyone is as stupid or uninformed on things as they are. The old ‘you don’t know what you don’t know’ thing.
I caught myself wondering how a person can’t visualize themselves from another perspective well enough to know how to act.
I generally don't like Dr. Phil, but in this case, it was extremely satisfying for him to point out that Michael Weist hadn't apologized and was overly defensive.
If Michael is 24 now, then 3 years ago he was 21. How many hundreds of conventions had he actually been to at 21?
Im 21 and have never been to a convention
Right?! Like that part made no sense. Even if he started going as a young child, that's way too high of a number. Like I don't think there's even that many conventions that someone could travel to in a reasonable amount of time. And if it is somehow true, then that just makes his mess-ups with Tanacon even more embarrassing since he has so much experience from an audience perspective. Maybe he should have volunteered instead and learned something
I think he counts birthday parties and any meals he cooks himself as "conventions"
I love Amanda, haha. She does not take any shit. You should see the interview she had with this sleazy pickup artist. She kicked him to the curb.
What video was that? I so want to see!
Oooh where can I find that video?
This is the one:
ruclips.net/video/LNH15RCGa5g/видео.html
I mean that pickup artist kinda kicked himself to the curb, kept digging the hole deeper and deeper lmao
@@jredactedlredacted8148 TRUE LMAO, all Amanda has to do was ask questions and he drilled himself a new grave
On a side note, Logan always dresses so well and I feel like I haven’t seen anyone comment that before lol I love his style
I agree. He’s always impeccable. Very classy guy.
Love his shirts.
Oh I notice that every time!
Me. I LIVE for his snazzy shirt choices.
I like to think that in his off time he wears jeans and flannel shirts.
its hilarious hearing Amanda from swell entertainment referred to as a fan of Tana
He was just gaslighting her wtf. Here’s the simple truth: if he had just TAKEN FULL RESPONSIBILITY AND NOT LIED, people would be so much kinder to him. He is the one who got himself in this situation, it is his fault.
Kudos to Amanda! She was NOT taking Micheal's bullsh*t.
I am actually surprised I hadn't heard of Swell Entertainment being on Dr Phil before tonight! Way to go Amanda!!
I actually like the vhs overlay😅😂
Same
Feels like a creative addition. I like it too.
Right?
Samee
Same! I’m a fan of this.
I know someone who was on Dr Phil earlier this year (On the episodes about the police impersonator from Florida - Jeremy DeWitte), he advised of the following -
·That studio is cold - like a fridge cold (normally they have the audience in heating the place up & studio lights).
·Those chairs are really uncomfortable, and you end up squirming around because you get a numb arse.
· There is no media training, they just want you to be yourself.
· Any NDA for the show only requires you to not talk publicly about the show you just filmed for 90 days or until they show it on TV. Whichever is soonest.
It's very weird that people like him that are so obsessed with their ego/public image don't realize that they would be better off going "yes I screwed up but I learnt x y and z and will do better" rather than pretending that they did it right all along.
That’s why narcissism is a pathology. It causes the person to sabotage themself.
@@PeachysMom I guess so, hey? It's just such a weird thing to me ahaha. But you're definitely (maybe unfortunately?) right 😅
@@amandamacabre otherwise being a narcissist would just be fun, when in reality people end up in therapy because it hurts the narcissist as much as their “victims”.
he is less focused on being right but rather **having been right** and that is the root of the issue
Amanda my girl! Aside from being coached for TV as you said she also has her own youtube channel swell entertainment (as surely other comments already said) so she's probably quite used to polite smiling for the camera
She actually wasn't coached. She commented on here. I believe he pinned her comment. Please try not to say assumptions as facts. This is how misinformation gets spread.
@@Orion_TheyThem I mean, she said she wasn't coached "necessarily" but her producer tried to hype her up. Way to make a mountain out of a molehill though
@@Orion_TheyThem She commented after I did, so at the time I took his word for it when he said that everyone on tv gets coached in the video. So if anything the misinformation started there. But also in her comment Amanda says that she did have an assigned producer who tried to "hype her up" (her parentheses, not mine) so while she clearly didn't need a How To Speak In Front Of The Camera 101, there was an attempt to nudge her presence in the direction the showrunners wanted.
@@Cove_Blue except she specifically said she was NOT told to be polite??? Not making a mountain out of a molehill. But cool cool bruh. Also go watch her newest video. 🙄🙄
@@FlareonSky go watch her newest video. And maybe edit your comment??? Like I said, we don't need misinformation spreading. 👌🏻
“She decided to throw a fit.” Sums up Tana’s whole career
Or “She decided to stay asleep” because she’s lazy as hell
“Vice versa” HAHA WHAT she didn’t owe him an apology and everything she said about him was valid but he’s too egotistical, unconfident and defensive to comprehend that empathy!
Yes! That’s exactly what I was thinking! Does he expect the attendees to apologize for showing up?? 😂 I mean he did say that if they hadn’t come, there would be no issues.
He’s such a coward
@@shelby8101 I could totally see him saying "well if people actually had the money to pay for the tickets then we would have known exactly how many guests would show up"
He really did want to blame the fans for showing up to an event lol, he's doing everything he can to not say it
14:31
“horrible, horrible, just unendingly horrible apology”
LMAO
🤣
I really enjoyed that they had Amanda there. I think in some of his interviews, Phil has not been educated enough on the topic and as a result is more or less providing a platform for the accused to spread their version of their event with little backlash. Having Amanda there really provided a sort of foil so that Michael could not do that.
Amanda did AMAZING I highly suggest her channel and videos. She holds herself so well and has some of the best review videos I've seen. Generally she's very professional and in addition to being an audience member for tv before it's kind of how she holds herself. If there's obvious bullshit in front of her she WILL show she isnt buying it
When Amanda (Swell) is a better interviewer then Phil ...she deserves the world
You should do a follow up video watching Amanda’s video on Tana-Con. Amanda’s pretty restrained here. They totally picked her because she does her research and doesn’t back down but she was definitely TV-personality here. (Edit: for the record, I don’t think she was coached, just trying to be collected for TV. Because I don’t think she wanted to be the next Dr. Phil sound byte)
He feels really sorry for himself and doesn’t get that if he just stopped lying and accepted responsibility people wouldn’t be still hounding him about it. But I guess that’s a narcissist for you.
Omg I never knew Amanda did this! She's great, her channel is called swell entertainment if anyone wants to see her videos.
As for Michael... He's such a sketchy, insincere character.
Dude I know, she was on him like Jamie Lee Curtis drinking water dot png
I know right .... so suprised
She was great. Phil should've just shut up and let Amanda take over
She is awesome. I very much enjoyed this beat down. XD
@@meio_feio 😂 she's great at this stuff. She did a live interview with Russell Hartley (a "pickup artist" on tiktok) and she's just great at confronting people and taking no B.S.
If anything, this just fully convinced me that Michael is a narcissist. He’s so hurt and sorry for himself that it’s absolutely impossible for him to sincerely apologize.
Who allows these kids to run any kind of events 🥴 sounds like another Fyre festival 🤣🤣
I mean you can't really stop them. The only thing that would stop them is no one buying tickets.
Fyre documentaries are lit.
Another kid lol
@@username.not.known2473 my fave video is the one by Internet Historian
@@primetimehome I'll check it out and thank you for your username, I'd forgotten that saying and I love it
There’s a show called First Dates that you should check out. It’d be really cool to see if you can tell before the end of the date whether they’re going to agree to a second date or not.
@ViegosWife you need to watch it, it's incredibly sweet and the people are very authentic
@ViegosWife you might be used to overproduced American reality tv shows, a lot of uk reality shows are less produced, first dates is a perfect example of low key producing and editing because the people in it aren’t acting for entertainment
So he got his lover to give him a recommendation. Dude that was so obvious
Right? You'd only say "he's so professional" that many times if he'd done something really UNprofessional. Like sleeping with a client.
I got the impression Michael said something like, "You don't want to get fired, do this thing for me" which is why the guy was so nervous and had so little to say. But it could be either.
Tana got less heat and kept her career because Shane Dawson did a big video about it all and then she created other drama to distract.
She got tons of heat after as well.
i also think ira because she owned up to it more than this dude has ever attempted to lol
Her career only survived because she is too close with RUclips.
For whatever reason RUclips tried to push her hard as a RUclipsr turned celebrity. So they pushed her videos and let her get away with awful stuff.
Disclaimer. This is a conspiracy theory. Never been confirmed. But her unusual relation to RUclips leadership has been documented and commented on.
@@frankwest5388 you are absolutely right 100%
I would say she absolutely 100% did catch a lot of heat about this, but the reality is, a lot of what she was saying during the Shane series, about Michael, is 100% true. Hence why she subsequently caught less heat and was exonerated, in a sense. At the end of the day, she showed proof/receipts of Michael lying both on camera, and in contract. And she did later on admit to wrongdoing and responsibility, as the head of the whole operation and as the one who hired Michael. She admits that was a mistake. She admits that because of this colossal mistake, tons of her fans suffered and were unfairly hurt. She knows that, and has owned up to it 100%, and says it's the biggest fuck up of her career, bc the last thing she's ever wanted to do, is hurt her fans. She's also openly admitted she would never organize an event like that again, bc as a very irresponsible person, who is late to everything, she is probably the last one who should ever host a convention, lol.
I think she 100% caught the right amount of heat for her wrongdoing, and has rectified herself since then in many ways. People who've worked with her can testify to that, 100%. And honestly, half of the other drama she stirs up, is 100% fake and doesn't actually affect people, because it's all promo or just free publicity. (Like her relationship with Jake Paul, which is complete BS.) That's kinda her whole shtick now, to stir up drama, but most of it's not even real and doesn't hurt anybody. Tana-Con on the other hand was real, and it did hurt and affect real people. She knows that, and she knows she messed up colossally. She got a shitton of hate and death threats because of it, and lots of heat. But I'd say, the truth always comes out. And anyone saying Michael was the true victim, or she's lying when she's saying he was deceitful and manipulative, can now see she was pretty much telling the truth about that the entire time. But she was warned by people who had worked with her that he was an awful event manager and shouldn't be trusted, and she admits to making the mistake of ignoring the red flags and choosing him anyway. She knows that's on her. She knows she didn't do enough while the convention was going on, and partied away her troubles because it was "her birthday." She knows those were all bad decisions, and she regrets them.
the way he’s decked out in jewelry and talking about having lost everything and nearly bragging about how hard of a time he’s had, referencing the “little girl out there” reminds me of a spoiled child that just skinned their knee for the first time
i also really hate how he condescends amanda at every turn, whether verbally or non verbally. his wry smiles every time she speaks are extremely rude
i grew up with him in church..he was pretty much like that all his life
@Ellabella77up yuppp back in the day we both went to the Bridge Fellowship in tn
Like what?
@@ninnetterhodehouse8087 super self involved and basically narcissistic.
@@ninnetterhodehouse8087 always the victim
@@towipoof6574 Looks like he turned out to be a mean gay man.
12:56 Can we all just take a moment to appreciate Amanda becoming a Makeshift Mom ™️ for the TanaCon kids 👏 ✨
Literally just came here from Amanda's video talking about her experience in the doctor Phil show
Loved the video. Fangirling a bit too seeing Amanda, she has awesome content. Poor guy didn't stood a chance.
Never thought I'd see Swell Entertainment on Observe
I got so excited when I saw Amanda pop up on screen and the fact that she popped up on your channel. I honestly don't know why, lol, but I think it's because you two are my favorite content creators in general on this site.
You ended on the “toxic forgetfulness” note - people do this to avoid accountability.
I am soooo curious how autistic people will do on your observation. I'm on the spectrum, but I have learned so many tricks how to deal/talk with people.
I'm just curious to see if I come of natural or not.
I'm also autistic and I thought the entire nonverbal analysis thing sounded like it would be incredibly unfair to autistic people, but I've been pleasantly surprised by these videos. The fact that he tries to establish a baseline (that is, what non-agitated behavior looks like) for each person shows that he does understand and forgive individual quirks.
@@sideshowratt Well that is true! A baseline is very important.
But I als noticed that I act very different in front of differend kinds op people/groups.. It's all tricks that I've learned 😅
But yeah, I hope that he will observe someone with autism someday👌
Ooo as an Autistic person I hadn't even considered this!
I've met a lot of autistic people both professionally and in my personal life. I've been "tricked" several times.
Oddly enough this channel helped pushed me to see someone about a spectrum screening (among other symptoms and stuff). And yeaaa this has nothing been extremely interesting because I love psychology of any kind but socially this has made a big difference. I’m learning to navigate easier socially. I can pick up on some stuff, now I’m just trying to not be so hyper aware of every movement or something someone does.
It feels like they all have read that “I am sorry that YOU feel that way” in some kind of textbook for influencers.
Hey that's Amanda from Swell Entertainment. Yeah I watched her videos on her experience at tanacon with other people recapping theirs ...she was being genuine with what she was saying and cudos to her for maintaining her composure cause he was pushing it with his response to the TRUTHS she spoke on
Glad to see Amanda making it on national television! Love her videos and learning about all sorts of weird cults and scams. Love your videos too! This feels like a crossover youtube channel we need right now.
was not expecting to see amanda (swell entertainment) on this channel, but i'm here for it
I was about to say the same thing!
Never heard of any of these people or this event, but OMG Amanda is a QUEEN.
Me either!!! Who the hell are these crazies?! Who is Tana?! I really wish someone, at some point, would explain that part of this whole mess.
If you haven't yet, check out her channel, Swell Entertainment. Amanda is a QUEEN. ❤
its so ironic how phil knows what a genuine apology is but cant seem to give a sincere one himself 💀
For context I have experience staffing at various conventions. It is STANDARD for both clients AND staff to have sleeping arrangements set up beforehand. A good manager and con head/manager would never have to give someone's bed for another.
This lends itself further to their planning being done in about a month, as contracts would be set up with the hotel for a staff and guest block in the designated hotel (or another nearby, for larger conventions,) and the budget allocated for such. They get a bit of a better deal due to bringing in guests from around the country, in the case of multi-day cons, though many will come and check in a day before to avoid traveling and attending all at once. So if Michael is managing and helping put together conventions and is regularly giving up beds, this is just further indicators of poor planning and (likely) budgeting.
LOVE this, love Amanda and how authentic she always comes across! She's interviewed some tik tok pickup artist in a similarly polite but stern manner, tho I can imagine knowing this was on TV would cause at least some nervous behavior. Thanks for choosing this episode to observe!!
Yep, Dr Phil camp will try to cash in on all your efforts here. Glad you can modify it and hopefully it works👍
I love his modifications. It's give the video character and keeps the "Dr" away.
I'm so impressed by her assertiveness!
"I'm sorry YOU" is definitely not an apology! Pro Tip:
It's what a good customer service person will say to you when you're being a little bit over the top about your demands for service or returns. Many of you may associate you as a "Karen still at a 4 of 10"
"I'm sorry you feel that way." Is the customer service way of saying "You're being an asshole right now but I'd get fired if I said that to your face."
@@SjofnBM1989 Well yes. I was trying not to be quite as abrasive, but I did just clock out of work and my brain hasn't shut down yet so. . . . . .🙃
Yeah, "I'm gonna lose my 💩 on her if she doesn't STFU, in 10, 9, 8, . . . . . ."
Weve already put codes for the PA in order, just in case we get a 10/10 "Karen" in there.
(I'm sorry, to my friend Karen, who really isn't a "Karen".😔
Love ya!🥰
I'm gonna have to say that's not always the case, an example could be, "I'm sorry you should have never have gone through that, you didn't deserve that kind of treatment from him/her/them.", seems pretty heartfelt and not placing the blame on the person who was wronged.
@@florenceashford6861 Yes, I agree with you there. I'm talking customer service, not real life issues that are important to most people, where as a Karen finds the tiniest things overly important and will destroy everyone around them who doesn't agree in that moment. Does that make sense? 🤔
@@MamaPinks oh yes I totally understand, my apologies! And yes, when it's in the Karen context and being said to me, like, "I'm sorry you feel that way.", I'm always tempted to answer back and say, "Why? I'm not sorry for having a perfectly rational response and indignance to your horrible behaviour."
I swear, everytime. I've even gotten, "I'm sorry you can't comprehend the simple saying, "the customer is always right!"", when a woman refused to pay for their bill (a walk-in, party of 9 who we accepted despite them not making any reservations) simply because the woman was mad we didn't have a "round" dining table. The only tables we've ever had were square shaped that we put together for her and her companions so they could all be seated together.
So yes, I feel you 100 percent and I agree with you completely.
He keeps saying he decided to cancel the event, like it was some benevolent action. But... the hotel forced that. The hotel basically said gtfo and kicked everyone out.
The threat to “kill yourself” is never acceptable. Consider, however, that his target audience/marketing are pre-teens & teens. They can be incredibly clueless.
My 15 yr old did commit suicide. It was impulsive likely in response to something someone did that afternoon. We didn’t pursue the issue because we would never want anyone to have to live with that type of guilt
I'm so sorry.
@@SjofnBM1989 TY
My deepest condolences. I can’t even imagine what it must be like to loose a child, let alone under those circumstances. You and your family are good to give grace to those involved. I hope they understand the depth of your forgiveness, I honestly don’t know if I could do the same. May your child RIP. ❤️
I’m so sorry for your loss. I lost one of my best friends who was 18 when he took his own life. Losing someone like that is really a scar that stays with you forever. 💔
Thank you Logan for all the effort you put into these videos, it always shows. You've changed the way I cope dramatically, normally I watch hours of senseless stuff to numb my mind but you got me excited about learning again. We'll probably never meet but I want you to know there are so many strangers like me that look up to you and adore you wildly. Best of luck on your way to the top!
Best of luck to you too!
It kills me that Michael is still bringing this up years after it happened, he’s trying so hard to be relevant when in reality no one gives a damn & no one knew who he was before tanacon let alone do they care who he is now.
He is bringing it up because he is trying to create TanaCon as a yearly thing to make money. Amanda talks about it on Dr. Phil as well on her Swell Entertainment channel. Michael filed for trademarks for TanaCon.
If you ever watched cinnamontoastken or pewdiepie they have spoke with Dr phill and have sorted out the copyright issue. It's not Dr phill who copy right strikes it it's Sony or something. They have said the name. It's only the music and sound effects play during interviews and stuff that gets copy right struck. Cut that part out and the rest can remain.
Love Ken. Hilarious dude.
15:00 When I apologized for how my sister felt instead of for my actions, I knew EXACTLY what I was doing. I didn't want to fool my sister, either. I just wanted my parents to let me get out of time-out without having to say an apology I didn't mean. I was also a child who hadn't yet developed the ability to let go of my stubbornness and try to see from another's perspective when I felt strongly about my own position.
Nowadays, if I wasn't ready to apologize for something, I think I'd just wait to say anything until I'd had time for some self-examination and a talk with someone I trust who won't be a yes man.* Because I'm an adult. If I was never ready to apologize properly, I'd have the self-awareness not to go on TV. But what do I know? I'm not in the public eye.
*Ironically, nowadays, that would be my sister. I trust her to love me AND to call me out on BS. I know who to approach if I just want to feel good about my questionable decisions-and it's definitely not my little sis.
Logan has been in a mood these last couple videos and I'm here for it!
Yeah he's not holding back😬
Your subtle shade is legit some of my favorite and cracks me up every time
For anyone wondering, Amanda has a channel on RUclips. It's called Swell Entertainment and its very fun!!
I’m in the UK, it’s 2:17am and I was just about to go to sleep... *nevermind* !!! 🤣🤣
Same, and i hav college smh... But it's worth it
@@teganlily3810 it acc is 😂
Cool to see Swell Entertainment get some national attention. I love Amanda's content, she's great and deserves a larger audience.
i’m confused as to why he said he’s on dr. phil for healing… like sir go to a real therapist? not a fake doctor on national tv 😭 & maybe talk about ur narcissistic tendencies while ur at it boo .
Preach 😂😂😂
right?? like how is this going to help?
I think its funny he keeps running with the 20,000 cuz it was proven to be like 5,000 max
You should talk with Ken from cinnamontoastken channel. They talked about how their Dr Phil reaction videos would get claimed by Sony it has nothing to do with the Dr Phil show. Apparently it's the music that they use in the background of the interviews that they had a problem with, if I'm not mistaken. After removing the interview portion and just speaking over that part I think he was able to do Dr Phil react videos. Just an FYI
I remember when Shane Dawson did his tanacon “documentary” and there was a lot of manufactured sympathy for this guy vs seeing it broken down with no bias and with more information has completely changed my perception of the dude.
It’s even more gross that he would not remember telling his employees they had to earn their own beds or whatever because that means it didn’t matter that much to him. He didn’t care they couldn’t find anywhere to sleep. He’s sleezy and a bad person imo.
Dr Phil: “you’re not one of the talents out there”😂
Whoa...I just agreed with Dr. Phil😱
(Out of context but I do what I want😂😂😂)
Loving the shirt!! You’re style is always on point and so is your commentary, love this channel so much
Omg yayyy that Michael guy seemed so weird to me when I originally seen him be interviewed lol I can't wait to see what you think
Is it just me or does he make you think of a squeaky used q-tip?
@@amberlytheharpyqueen Nah, I get that, too 😂 Great burn.
I love your channel! I've been watching "I'm a Killer" on Netflix and I'd be really interested in your analysis of the inmates. There were some cases where I was at first convinced by the inmates' explanation of their crimes, yet often their stories are debunked by friends/family and investigators. Thank you!!
The most infuriating thing is if he was honest and humble everyone would go "yeah, that was a bad choice but everyone involved was 21 or younger so of course it blew up" but no. He decides to go on an egofueled narcissistic rant....
Me and a few friends atarted an anime convd tion called Kinyobi con several years ago. It was an anime convention. Even with out first year, using our community college for the event, we had to plan out rooms, whefe people could and could not go, provide food (which was free) and areas for bands to perform, artist ally, and so on and so on. We had tags people could wear around their necks to proove the bought a ticket and so could come and go and eat as they please all day. This was a group of twnty somethings in an college club on anime and video games, and we managed to pull this off not only for over a dozzen years, we managed to do this smoothly when a wedding was also schedualed for the same day when we moved to a hotel and made deals for the returaunt and rates for getting a room.
And this guy who says he is an expert in the industry can't even pull that off...bull and shit
Would you consider doing an analysis on Princess Diana’s interview with bbc? The one where she said “there’s three of us in this marriage”. it’d be interesting to see if you think she was holding back words or knew more than she was saying.