This is how you end up with someone who is nonverbal. Instead of teaching them to communicate, just teach them that any attempt at communication is futile
"Nonverbal" children do not develop language or have a major regressive period early in childhood. If a child has no mental health or developmental disorders, they may become /quiet/ by comparison, but becoming nonverbal requires significant trauma beyond being ignored in situations where they're using inappropriate behavior to get attention.
@@KatieCottingham idk about you, but the way me and most other autistic people use the word "nonverbal" is just to mean "not speaking for any reason that isn't the physical inability to speak"
OK, that was a scenario, played out by actors, not a real situation. But I get what they are trying to show. However, it is rather bizarre because it does not look like any sort of autistic meltdown or tantrum, it looks like a kid consciously doing a 'power play' on mom. And since attention extinction is an ABA modality, it is likely that they are trying to show an autistic behavior and intervention. I also don't see a connection that by ignoring (the interrupting) behaviour (withholding reinforcement, which seems illogical anyway) makes that behaviour go away. But I am not trained in ABA. Usually kids (and sometimes adults) do something weird to get attention, because they have not yet developed all the communication skills that, hopefully, an adult has, in order to say what is wrong (tired, hungry, and so on) so that's a weird way to teach proper communication. So, I think this is a bad example to try and sell clients on ABA.
As an autistic guy I'd say ignoring me while I'm trying to get your attention might backfire into me being more assertive on other attempts. Wnat always did work was explaining why to wait or being told to do it at a later time. Now if only they taught non autistic people not to lie or try and tell a story between the lines spoken. That'd be a bigger help.
As an autistic person who also has a lot of experience with other autistics and with ways to deal with it, this is complete nonsense. First of all an autistic would (almost) never do something like that to get attention. Autistic kids usually much prefer being alone and we would either not even say the problem at all or just say it without any regard for the situation, not bothering to ask for attention first. Furthermore, if this were to represent a meltdown then the people doing this clearly have no clue what they're talking about because a meltdown occurs because of information overload, so asking for even more attention is the last thing we'd want to do in such a case, we just kind of break down on the spot without any regard of the social context, and even if this would be the case: neglecting it is one of the worst things you could do: step one (very important): listen to what they have to say and remove the sources of harm, step two: help them in separating themselves from the situation and allow them to cool down. And then just cooling down in an instant is someting that simply does not happen with a meltdown, no matter how you deal with it
@@Keylan36 Yes, I think you are correct; that was a good assessment of the video. I guess they tried to pick a very simple example of one ABA behaviour, but failed to get any meaningful point across. I don't have as much experience as you, with lots of people, but I have my own life experience, and family, and the few people that I know, and what I have read so far about ASD, and it did seem like a rather atypical autistic behaviour example to use. And they did seem to miss-characterize the kid's behaviour and their chosen non-response. Not an effective video to teach others to understand and feel OK about ABA therapies. From all the youtube videos I have watched, I though ABA was simply a nightmare 'thing'. But we recently started getting help from a BCBA therapist, and she's really good, picks the right modalities for each client. There are probably lots of situations out there where the way it's done, it could be called child (or adult) abuse.
@@SkatingErinsMom That is a very good decision. ABA is a therapy that was originally set up with the intention to make autistics function correctly like neurotypicals, but over time people realised that this did a lot more harm than good, specifically for the autisic person, leading to sharply increased depression and mortality rates, and just extreme disconfort in general. It's an ongoing ethical debate whether this shoud still be allowed. There are much better alternatives centered around helping the autistic person embrace it's autism (also what I followed) and the results are usually a lot better though many parents are scared of this at first "because they want their child to fit in and to behave like the others", they look at their child and want them to be happy from their perspective, failing to realize that the child has completely different needs. Embrace their autism, it's a talent, not a defecit, you need to bring out it's potential, not suppress it ( :
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No, it very much does. One of the criteria for autism is problems with communication. Whenever you have a child, that child needs love, affection, and attention just like any other kid. You give the child proper care and they will not need to resort to this. *The child is expressing needs inappropriately and therefore is not getting needs met*
I think that there should be put a line between spoiled child with attitude problems when parents have failed to discipline a kid, and a physical/mental diagnosis.
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Exactly. This is not an attitude problem, this is an attempt at communication which is being ignored and not trying to be helped whatsoever. All it does is teach the kid that his emotions do not matter and that he'll be "rewarded" and praised for not trying to communicate it anymore since he doesn't know how else to communicate his distress.
This is a form of extinction, this should be avoided at all costs. What you must do is tell the child that unless he properly asks he will get no response. Simply ignoring teaches nothing.
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Suffering-?? Uhm- correction, his brain is just wired differently than yours, don't grieve over the fact you don't have a "normal child." Accept that you have a unique child who isn't of the usual expectations, Autism has pros and cons. It isn't just negatives. Here's a tip, don't do as this video says. If he's trying to get your attention, give him your attention. Otherwise you're going to just teach him that his emotions and distress does not matter. He won't learn proper expression of his boundaries and what makes him comfortable and uncomfortable and what he can't handle. What is being portrayed is an autistic child trying to communicate being mistaken as "attention seeking." If your son does this, he's trying to communicate what is wrong, he wants to tell you he is under distress but doesn't have the same level of communication as a Neurotypical child so he can't just say it in the same way. He's trying to communicate in another way, like by screaming, crying or possibly pulling away from you that he is upset. Try your best to figure out what he needs and what is bothering him. He might be feeling sensory overload which is definitely something you don't want to ignore. Another tip. Don't listen to shitty videos like this, it's much better to get parenting tips from parents with autism who have autistic kids, because they understand it much better.
Mmmm. This is tricky. MAYBE he learned that screaming didn't stop a conversation, BUT, what did he learn about showing respect to others? He also didn't learn to consider that screaming DISTURBS people outside his targets (especially people with sensory disorders) and isn't socially acceptable behavior. He was taught an incomplete lesson, because if he SCREAMS like that toward people he's not related to or being taught by; the response won't be them carrying on as though it isn't happening. This needed followed up with loss of a preferred item, time out, etc.
@@parentingbeyondbehaviours6382 I think you should just tell the child to wait a minute, so i ask how does ignoring the child work better? It doesn't sound better to me you aren't acknowledging the child's needs. Autistic children have needs and if we're trying to get your attention it may mean something is wrong. so it's best if you pay attention. The source of us trying to get your attention may be because we're overwhelmed or many other things. By the way I'm autistic.
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@@AutisticBrain you have very valid points. I find that people with autism can easily be ignored. And notice when the adults in this scenario are finished communicating with each other never turn to the child to communicate with him. What if someone hurt him, or he wanted to show " mom" something he did that was left behind. This is a poor example.
@Pavlina I 100% agree with ignoring the behavior IF when the child STOPPED yelling the parent would address his needs but that did NOT happen. Once he was quiet he was essentially 'forgotten' and that is my main concern.
there is no direction given...how do they know what their doing wrong? I'm a HAB provider and I never let it go unnoticed. I tell them "we are speaking, please wait your turn" if they do it again I simply say "You will have your turn but we need to finish talking first" after that 2nd warning THEN we do not address again but finish out convo with out stopping to give more warnings and afterwards we then turn to the person and say "ok now its your turn" after they say what they need. We then go over why they needed to wait.
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Maybe Just Touch The Student so that The Student Feels something and is more at ease. Ignoring could just lead to more Pain in the Long Run this isnt always the easy coup out.
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@@joemoon1943 Getting Help with Light things like herbal Medication here and there is not a bad thing. Always think how would be my child be with no extra help can I be with that? Hard meds are not a Option you need a Human not a Patient!
This is why I ignore that lil spoiled angel all the time. And my parents think of what I did that ignoring that bad attention is a bad idea. When my parents tried to stop the tantrum through any response regardless of the emotions, he'll become even more aggressive and wanted to do even worse scandal. This trauma thought me
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yikes, calling an autistic child "spoiled angel" for being overwhelmed? you just made yourself look like a terrible parent lmao. maybe you should listen to YOUR parents, i can clearly tell you haven't all your life.
As a registered behavior technician, though it does depend on the kid, I’m almost positive this is never a proper way to handle that.
It's absolutely planned ignoring. Hurts the child WAY MORE than they want you to think.
Same! Prompt functional communication and let them know you can hear them.
@@k.h.307agreed
This is how you end up with someone who is nonverbal. Instead of teaching them to communicate, just teach them that any attempt at communication is futile
"Nonverbal" children do not develop language or have a major regressive period early in childhood. If a child has no mental health or developmental disorders, they may become /quiet/ by comparison, but becoming nonverbal requires significant trauma beyond being ignored in situations where they're using inappropriate behavior to get attention.
Not even close to being factual. Watch the clip again and listen to the point being made in it
More like how you end up with somebody who’s violent and aggressive and impatient
@@KatieCottingham idk about you, but the way me and most other autistic people use the word "nonverbal" is just to mean "not speaking for any reason that isn't the physical inability to speak"
Thank you! I pinpointed my son absolutely stopped talking because of ABA and planned ignoring! Also - this behavior breeds killers!
so ignoring a child trying to communicate is ok? then what to do when the child constantly ignored becomes non verbal?
It's not like these cunts even care; they just want to be large and in charge.
OK, that was a scenario, played out by actors, not a real situation. But I get what they are trying to show. However, it is rather bizarre because it does not look like any sort of autistic meltdown or tantrum, it looks like a kid consciously doing a 'power play' on mom. And since attention extinction is an ABA modality, it is likely that they are trying to show an autistic behavior and intervention. I also don't see a connection that by ignoring (the interrupting) behaviour (withholding reinforcement, which seems illogical anyway) makes that behaviour go away. But I am not trained in ABA. Usually kids (and sometimes adults) do something weird to get attention, because they have not yet developed all the communication skills that, hopefully, an adult has, in order to say what is wrong (tired, hungry, and so on) so that's a weird way to teach proper communication. So, I think this is a bad example to try and sell clients on ABA.
As an autistic guy I'd say ignoring me while I'm trying to get your attention might backfire into me being more assertive on other attempts.
Wnat always did work was explaining why to wait or being told to do it at a later time.
Now if only they taught non autistic people not to lie or try and tell a story between the lines spoken. That'd be a bigger help.
@@lakkakka i agree.
As an autistic person who also has a lot of experience with other autistics and with ways to deal with it, this is complete nonsense. First of all an autistic would (almost) never do something like that to get attention. Autistic kids usually much prefer being alone and we would either not even say the problem at all or just say it without any regard for the situation, not bothering to ask for attention first. Furthermore, if this were to represent a meltdown then the people doing this clearly have no clue what they're talking about because a meltdown occurs because of information overload, so asking for even more attention is the last thing we'd want to do in such a case, we just kind of break down on the spot without any regard of the social context, and even if this would be the case: neglecting it is one of the worst things you could do: step one (very important): listen to what they have to say and remove the sources of harm, step two: help them in separating themselves from the situation and allow them to cool down. And then just cooling down in an instant is someting that simply does not happen with a meltdown, no matter how you deal with it
@@Keylan36 Yes, I think you are correct; that was a good assessment of the video. I guess they tried to pick a very simple example of one ABA behaviour, but failed to get any meaningful point across. I don't have as much experience as you, with lots of people, but I have my own life experience, and family, and the few people that I know, and what I have read so far about ASD, and it did seem like a rather atypical autistic behaviour example to use. And they did seem to miss-characterize the kid's behaviour and their chosen non-response. Not an effective video to teach others to understand and feel OK about ABA therapies. From all the youtube videos I have watched, I though ABA was simply a nightmare 'thing'. But we recently started getting help from a BCBA therapist, and she's really good, picks the right modalities for each client. There are probably lots of situations out there where the way it's done, it could be called child (or adult) abuse.
@@SkatingErinsMom That is a very good decision. ABA is a therapy that was originally set up with the intention to make autistics function correctly like neurotypicals, but over time people realised that this did a lot more harm than good, specifically for the autisic person, leading to sharply increased depression and mortality rates, and just extreme disconfort in general. It's an ongoing ethical debate whether this shoud still be allowed. There are much better alternatives centered around helping the autistic person embrace it's autism (also what I followed) and the results are usually a lot better though many parents are scared of this at first "because they want their child to fit in and to behave like the others", they look at their child and want them to be happy from their perspective, failing to realize that the child has completely different needs. Embrace their autism, it's a talent, not a defecit, you need to bring out it's potential, not suppress it ( :
They forgot the part where when he stops yelling she tells him what he can do to get her attention appropriately. I don’t like this tactic.
this has nothing to do with autism
I’m a girl with autism and i have some autistic friends and autistic people don’t do something like this
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No, it very much does. One of the criteria for autism is problems with communication.
Whenever you have a child, that child needs love, affection, and attention just like any other kid. You give the child proper care and they will not need to resort to this.
*The child is expressing needs inappropriately and therefore is not getting needs met*
@@madisonbanks2010 yes but it’s still not right, true?
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I think that there should be put a line between spoiled child with attitude problems when parents have failed to discipline a kid, and a physical/mental diagnosis.
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Exactly. This is not an attitude problem, this is an attempt at communication which is being ignored and not trying to be helped whatsoever. All it does is teach the kid that his emotions do not matter and that he'll be "rewarded" and praised for not trying to communicate it anymore since he doesn't know how else to communicate his distress.
What if the child can.t talk?
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This is a form of extinction, this should be avoided at all costs. What you must do is tell the child that unless he properly asks he will get no response. Simply ignoring teaches nothing.
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what if what the kid wants is for the adults to have a peaceful productive conversation and he thinks yelling helps them focus
Hmm, 🤔 yeah
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Wrong
What if the kid starts swinging hands , head and feet ?
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This video is an eg of not every video u see is useful
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This behavior is very dangerous!
What a coincidence 2 April autism day and my son birth date also 2 April and he also suffering from autism I have so many Tension what I do?
How are you doing?
Suffering-?? Uhm- correction, his brain is just wired differently than yours, don't grieve over the fact you don't have a "normal child." Accept that you have a unique child who isn't of the usual expectations, Autism has pros and cons. It isn't just negatives. Here's a tip, don't do as this video says. If he's trying to get your attention, give him your attention. Otherwise you're going to just teach him that his emotions and distress does not matter. He won't learn proper expression of his boundaries and what makes him comfortable and uncomfortable and what he can't handle. What is being portrayed is an autistic child trying to communicate being mistaken as "attention seeking." If your son does this, he's trying to communicate what is wrong, he wants to tell you he is under distress but doesn't have the same level of communication as a Neurotypical child so he can't just say it in the same way. He's trying to communicate in another way, like by screaming, crying or possibly pulling away from you that he is upset. Try your best to figure out what he needs and what is bothering him. He might be feeling sensory overload which is definitely something you don't want to ignore. Another tip. Don't listen to shitty videos like this, it's much better to get parenting tips from parents with autism who have autistic kids, because they understand it much better.
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Yes stupid this is very ignorant to autistic child. Glad my mom doesn’t do this. I’m 18 #ActuallyAutistic
Mmmm. This is tricky. MAYBE he learned that screaming didn't stop a conversation, BUT, what did he learn about showing respect to others? He also didn't learn to consider that screaming DISTURBS people outside his targets (especially people with sensory disorders) and isn't socially acceptable behavior. He was taught an incomplete lesson, because if he SCREAMS like that toward people he's not related to or being taught by; the response won't be them carrying on as though it isn't happening. This needed followed up with loss of a preferred item, time out, etc.
Maybe it was.
How to say, "I know better" without saying it.
@PendulumCenter Just admit it, you like to abuse children.
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This is exactly how my little cousin acts. She doesn’t have autism, she’s just extremely annoying. She may have autism
And could have adhd my child has both and is extremely annoying
I do that 😭
This sounds really backwards you just tell the kid to wait a minute.
When there is learned behaviours actions speaks louder than words
@@parentingbeyondbehaviours6382 I think you should just tell the child to wait a minute, so i ask how does ignoring the child work better? It doesn't sound better to me you aren't acknowledging the child's needs. Autistic children have needs and if we're trying to get your attention it may mean something is wrong. so it's best if you pay attention. The source of us trying to get your attention may be because we're overwhelmed or many other things. By the way I'm autistic.
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👆use the link to get the best herbal remedy for ASD this doc herbs has helped my child and since I used his herbs my child is now verbal and his social skill has improved. My child call dad, mama and what he wants.
@@AutisticBrain you have very valid points. I find that people with autism can easily be ignored. And notice when the adults in this scenario are finished communicating with each other never turn to the child to communicate with him. What if someone hurt him, or he wanted to show " mom" something he did that was left behind. This is a poor example.
@Pavlina I 100% agree with ignoring the behavior IF when the child STOPPED yelling the parent would address his needs but that did NOT happen. Once he was quiet he was essentially 'forgotten' and that is my main concern.
there is no direction given...how do they know what their doing wrong? I'm a HAB provider and I never let it go unnoticed. I tell them "we are speaking, please wait your turn" if they do it again I simply say "You will have your turn but we need to finish talking first" after that 2nd warning THEN we do not address again but finish out convo with out stopping to give more warnings and afterwards we then turn to the person and say "ok now its your turn" after they say what they need. We then go over why they needed to wait.
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This is the correct answer! Amen
@@joemoon1943please don’t see autism as something that needs to be “overcome”.
Disgusting!
Maybe Just Touch The Student so that The Student Feels something and is more at ease. Ignoring could just lead to more Pain in the Long Run this isnt always the easy coup out.
Community of care! Through Dr. Oyalo's autism herbal medicine, we've found not just a treatment, but a supportive network for my child’s improvement and overcoming autism completely. sharing this successes and triumphs makes me happy.
@@joemoon1943 Getting Help with Light things like herbal Medication here and there is not a bad thing. Always think how would be my child be with no extra help can I be with that? Hard meds are not a Option you need a Human not a Patient!
Ya thats not autism at all
She doesn't even say Hello to her own son 😢
I have tried this , it does not work
This is why I ignore that lil spoiled angel all the time. And my parents think of what I did that ignoring that bad attention is a bad idea. When my parents tried to stop the tantrum through any response regardless of the emotions, he'll become even more aggressive and wanted to do even worse scandal. This trauma thought me
ruclips.net/channel/UCL8Tawls84nezPDtqOzOfCg
👆use the link to get the best herbal remedy for ASD this doc herbs has helped my child and since I used his herbs my child is now verbal and his social skill has improved. My child call dad, mama and what he wants.
yikes, calling an autistic child "spoiled angel" for being overwhelmed? you just made yourself look like a terrible parent lmao. maybe you should listen to YOUR parents, i can clearly tell you haven't all your life.