Cool man, What I've done is recorded a sample of my OWN snare, but not only that, I recorded it with every other drum mic going, so that I get the overheads and other mics to capture the room ambience. Most guys use stock samples, but I think it's smarter to customize it to your actual kit sound so it sounds more natural and blended. Arm all of your drum mics and hit the snare like 15 times hard and good, then when you go back and listen to the hit you like, don't just solo that snare mic, use ALL of the mics, render it down, then master that single wave using mastering plugins. Then you can load it to your SD card. I use a Roland TM-2. Cheers
@@nateodrum PLEASE! I’m building my dream Worship set up, but I’m having a hard time setting up triggers.. I understand but I don’t all at the same time 😂😂😂
@@DrRealEstateCT totally understand. The hard part about using them the way I do during worship is you have no dynamic control which makes building (which we do a bunch at Church) a little difficult. We use them at my church the same way and it trips some of the other drummers up because you have to know where the trigger is gonna hit and build to that point just before it does and then start triggering for the very last bit to transition back into a normal groove where you want the triggers firing on back beats and fills. We are working on some options to make those sections easy in the future (see trigger mute pedals and “no trigger” patches on the SPD-SX)
Hi Brother, I see you are not using triggers on the Toms. I am using Roland RT triggers into a TD30. I get some double triggering on the Toms I am trying to work out....do you just like the mic sound better or does something else drive the mic v trigger one the toms?
Hello! I’m a drummer for a punk band. That being said most of the times I play in bars with limited equipment, most of the time a mic on the bass drum and one on snare and that’s it. So I was thinking about using triggers for my drum set so the drums have a better sound. Do you think it will help? Thanks
Hey! That might work. Might take some trial and error to dial in settings to pick up all the fast notes in punk rock. The big plus is isolated and consistent sounds that aren’t picking up any other instruments and making the mix muddy. Might be worth a try! Hope that helps!
Hey Bro, nice video!! One question 😁: Do you use any fx on your samples like EQ or reverb to make it fit better in a live setting? Thanks for the demonstration
Thank you!!! I usually don’t. I have in the past when I had to edit the sample from a loop and the sound is cutoff some. But never to fit the live setting. I try to keep the samples as close to the record sound as possible (usually cutting the samples from record stems) and if the sound engineer wants to add Verb or effects they can do that on their end! Hope this helps!
Nate, thank you for the video. Very helpful. Two questions; when you connected the snare with the trigger, does that take up a pad also? Are you able to connect more triggers to all four of your drums or more with the SPD-SX, and still use the SPD-SX for other things while performing?
So I'm not finding it anywhere, it seems like alot of people just cover how to use them but not how it's actually routed to FOH. Any tips on how that's done? By that I mean if say I'm running triggers on snare and 2 toms how would that be separated to FOH so they have control of each or is that not possible?!
I am planning on making a new video that includes this topic. I run all 4 outputs and route snare and kicks in separate channels for triggers and SPD-SX pads
Hey, not sure if you're still looking for an answer but basically you have 4 outputs. LR & 2Sub-outs. You can route each trigger on a separate output from the SPDSX or use LR for the played samples and the sub outs for a kick & snare for example. I panned my kick hard left and my snare hard right, and exported it stereo, so when it's triggered, it only goes into 1 of the outputs (so L of sub out). Take that straight into the DI and then into your mixing board.
Hi Nate. Are the dual zone triggers on the snare able to distinguish between a snare hit and a cross-stick hit and therefore able to trigger 2 different sounds?
Hi Bill! You know, I’m not super familiar with the dual zone triggers. As far as I know you can set it up to do different sounds (like a rim and standard snare) but I’m not sure they are super distinct. I think it’s more for rimshot and no rim shot. I could be wrong. I’m pretty sure the trigger would pick up your hand hitting the drum doing a normal “cross stick” and trigger both sounds. Wish I could be more help. I use the single zone “tom” trigger on snare to avoid any issues with different sounds and send it into a single channel of the stereo 1/4” input.
Thanks Nate. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I suspect you are right which is a real dilemma unfortunately. Keep up the great work. Kind regards.
Thanks for sharing this! I've been running acoustic triggers from Drum Sample shop at church for a while now, but we've been dealing with a few milliseconds of latency. I dragged the samples into Ableton and noticed just bit of silence before the samples started so I cut that out. The issue is still there, so I'm wondering if it's a setting on the SPD-SX. Do you have any ideas for how to fix this?
man great vid! had a question and I really need some help! I can't get my sample to come out of front of house. I'm using spdsx and roland trig on my snare. I get signal on my drum pad when i hit my snare and i get sound out front when i hit the spdsx drum pads, but nothing when i play my snare. I've gone through all the settings, sensitivity, etc. ahhhhh! any ideas?
Hey Ryan! Thanks for the kind words. I’m planning to do an updated more in-depth video soon with even more details! Sounds like they might be routed incorrectly. It’s hard to explain without looking at your SPD-SX. I would google search “Roland SPD-SX output routing” and make sure that it’s going out the same output the SPD is going out of. It should default that way. Hit me up on instagram (@nateodrum) and we can chat there!
Hey Pedro! I usually put together a few different sounds from “That Sound” samples (find them on splice) and mix from together to make new samples. I often mix those samples with unique snare sounds from record stems of the artists I’m playing with. For church stuff check out “drum sample shop”. Those are some incredible sounds ready to go for the purpose of triggering support sounds!
Hey Kyler! My setting are pretty extreme. First thing I do is make sure I have the “Trig In” (under setup) set to the trigger model I’m using. That will automatically dial in a lot of settings and get you started. Then I go to “Pad Sens” under Setup and set the pad sens to 1 and threshold to 24. On the actual Pad settings i make sure “dynamics” are turned off so that every hit that triggers fires at full volume. This means it will only trigger when I hit at the volume I hit consistently for back beats and big drum fills. That way when I’m playing ghost notes it won’t trigger and I allow the snare to be heard naturally through the mic. You can also “build” a small amount before the full volume snare trigger kicks in. This setup is not ideal for a broad range of dynamics with the snare trigger but works great for doing a live version of how audio mix engineers use triggering to reinforce the natural sound of the snare. Let me know if you have anymore questions. I really need to do a new video that covers this!
@@nateodrum dude this is so helpful. Thanks so much! We've been using triggering at my church for about 2 months now but I've been struggling to find that sweet spot on the snare with also having it miced up, battling back and forth between the sensitivity and threshold.
@@goodc713 I totally understand. I’ve been using triggers live for almost 6 years on my touring gigs but recently my church started using them live at the broadcast campus. I set them up the way I know that works and knew there would be a learning curve. So I try to get with the drummer playing each Sunday and talk them through how they work and how to approach playing with them. The main thing is that you have to adjust how you play a little. Long building sections on snare require you to hold back to stay under the threshold point and use different sources to create the building energy. We are about to build a “mute” switch for the snare trigger so we can turn it off in the long building sections and lean on the mics and then unmute when we need them back on for a chorus. Another option is to have your patch with kick and snare triggers and follow it with a “blank” patch that is your normal kick trigger sound but no sound on the snare trigger so you can play all you want. And maybe repeat that pattern a few times so you can keep pushing the button for next patch and swap between the normal patch and the blank snare patch!
Hey Jon! I actually run all four outputs (master out L/R and Sub out L/R) and separate kick sounds from the SPD-SX, snare/clap sounds coming from the SPD-SX, Kick trigger and Snare trigger.
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Cool man, What I've done is recorded a sample of my OWN snare, but not only that, I recorded it with every other drum mic going, so that I get the overheads and other mics to capture the room ambience. Most guys use stock samples, but I think it's smarter to customize it to your actual kit sound so it sounds more natural and blended. Arm all of your drum mics and hit the snare like 15 times hard and good, then when you go back and listen to the hit you like, don't just solo that snare mic, use ALL of the mics, render it down, then master that single wave using mastering plugins. Then you can load it to your SD card. I use a Roland TM-2.
Cheers
That’s a great idea!
Damn that was detailed. Not sure what to do as I'm new to trying this stuff with my acoustic set but wanting to learn more about it. 😁
Ive been curious about triggers. Never used them and wanted to try it and see what all can be done with them. Thanks for the video demo
Thanks Jason! Give them a try! Let me know if you have any questions.
Oh man!! Finally a video/MAN that can help me!!!!! I’ve been looking for a simple video with settings for my SPD
I’m here to help! Let me know if you have any questions!
Planning to make a more detailed video going over triggers and more in the future!
@@nateodrum PLEASE! I’m building my dream Worship set up, but I’m having a hard time setting up triggers.. I understand but I don’t all at the same time 😂😂😂
@@DrRealEstateCT totally understand. The hard part about using them the way I do during worship is you have no dynamic control which makes building (which we do a bunch at Church) a little difficult. We use them at my church the same way and it trips some of the other drummers up because you have to know where the trigger is gonna hit and build to that point just before it does and then start triggering for the very last bit to transition back into a normal groove where you want the triggers firing on back beats and fills. We are working on some options to make those sections easy in the future (see trigger mute pedals and “no trigger” patches on the SPD-SX)
@@nateodrum Yes!!!! Now I’m waiting patiently for your video!! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽
Great demonstration!!!!
Thanks Will!
BRO... this is going to help me out so much!
Hi Brother, I see you are not using triggers on the Toms. I am using Roland RT triggers into a TD30. I get some double triggering on the Toms I am trying to work out....do you just like the mic sound better or does something else drive the mic v trigger one the toms?
There are no triggers on toms. Just mics. If your tom triggers aren’t working well, adjust sensitivity, “re trigger” and “mask time” settings
Hello!
I’m a drummer for a punk band. That being said most of the times I play in bars with limited equipment, most of the time a mic on the bass drum and one on snare and that’s it. So I was thinking about using triggers for my drum set so the drums have a better sound. Do you think it will help? Thanks
Hey! That might work. Might take some trial and error to dial in settings to pick up all the fast notes in punk rock. The big plus is isolated and consistent sounds that aren’t picking up any other instruments and making the mix muddy. Might be worth a try! Hope that helps!
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Hey Bro, nice video!! One question 😁: Do you use any fx on your samples like EQ or reverb to make it fit better in a live setting? Thanks for the demonstration
Thank you!!! I usually don’t. I have in the past when I had to edit the sample from a loop and the sound is cutoff some. But never to fit the live setting. I try to keep the samples as close to the record sound as possible (usually cutting the samples from record stems) and if the sound engineer wants to add Verb or effects they can do that on their end! Hope this helps!
Nate, thank you for the video. Very helpful. Two questions; when you connected the snare with the trigger, does that take up a pad also? Are you able to connect more triggers to all four of your drums or more with the SPD-SX, and still use the SPD-SX for other things while performing?
Hey! You can run all nine pads and 4 trigger inputs. You can technically use the foot switch for two more sounds as well! It’s great!
@@nateodrum Thank you so much for the reply Nate! I just ordered one.
So I'm not finding it anywhere, it seems like alot of people just cover how to use them but not how it's actually routed to FOH. Any tips on how that's done? By that I mean if say I'm running triggers on snare and 2 toms how would that be separated to FOH so they have control of each or is that not possible?!
I am planning on making a new video that includes this topic. I run all 4 outputs and route snare and kicks in separate channels for triggers and SPD-SX pads
Hey, not sure if you're still looking for an answer but basically you have 4 outputs. LR & 2Sub-outs. You can route each trigger on a separate output from the SPDSX or use LR for the played samples and the sub outs for a kick & snare for example. I panned my kick hard left and my snare hard right, and exported it stereo, so when it's triggered, it only goes into 1 of the outputs (so L of sub out). Take that straight into the DI and then into your mixing board.
@@radulica much appreciated with your response!
Hi Nate. Are the dual zone triggers on the snare able to distinguish between a snare hit and a cross-stick hit and therefore able to trigger 2 different sounds?
Hi Bill! You know, I’m not super familiar with the dual zone triggers. As far as I know you can set it up to do different sounds (like a rim and standard snare) but I’m not sure they are super distinct. I think it’s more for rimshot and no rim shot. I could be wrong. I’m pretty sure the trigger would pick up your hand hitting the drum doing a normal “cross stick” and trigger both sounds. Wish I could be more help.
I use the single zone “tom” trigger on snare to avoid any issues with different sounds and send it into a single channel of the stereo 1/4” input.
Thanks Nate. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I suspect you are right which is a real dilemma unfortunately.
Keep up the great work.
Kind regards.
@@bkezelos thank you Bill! You are very kind! Hope to put out a few new videos on triggers/SPD-SX and more in the future!
Please show the routing
Hoping to have more SPD-SX video up soon. Maybe even an E-book about it.
Thanks for sharing this! I've been running acoustic triggers from Drum Sample shop at church for a while now, but we've been dealing with a few milliseconds of latency. I dragged the samples into Ableton and noticed just bit of silence before the samples started so I cut that out. The issue is still there, so I'm wondering if it's a setting on the SPD-SX. Do you have any ideas for how to fix this?
In case anyone reads this - I kind of figured it out by lowering the scan time from 3ms to 0.1 ms. There isn't any noticeable latency now.
@@griffinwilliams1044 I actually had the same question. Thank for this, I'll try it out.
Just seeing this! Not sure how I missed it. I wouldn’t have had the answer. Looks like you figured it out. Making a mental note of your solution!
man great vid! had a question and I really need some help! I can't get my sample to come out of front of house. I'm using spdsx and roland trig on my snare. I get signal on my drum pad when i hit my snare and i get sound out front when i hit the spdsx drum pads, but nothing when i play my snare. I've gone through all the settings, sensitivity, etc. ahhhhh! any ideas?
Hey Ryan! Thanks for the kind words. I’m planning to do an updated more in-depth video soon with even more details!
Sounds like they might be routed incorrectly. It’s hard to explain without looking at your SPD-SX.
I would google search “Roland SPD-SX output routing” and make sure that it’s going out the same output the SPD is going out of. It should default that way.
Hit me up on instagram (@nateodrum) and we can chat there!
Can I use the drum trigger on a spd 30
I believe you can!
where you get the sounds? Just got the spdx with snare and kick triggers thinking about using them at my church here.
Hey Pedro! I usually put together a few different sounds from “That Sound” samples (find them on splice) and mix from together to make new samples. I often mix those samples with unique snare sounds from record stems of the artists I’m playing with. For church stuff check out “drum sample shop”. Those are some incredible sounds ready to go for the purpose of triggering support sounds!
@@nateodrum thank you
Great vid, BUT it feels like the samples are delayed. Try using the Roland TM6 as it triggers real fast.
Yeah man, dig it!
GabeousMaximus thanks Gabe! We need to get you set up to run some triggers soon!
Love it dude! What sensitivity level are you running on the snare? I'm struggling finding a good balance for ghost notes / builds and rolls.
Hey Kyler! My setting are pretty extreme. First thing I do is make sure I have the “Trig In” (under setup) set to the trigger model I’m using. That will automatically dial in a lot of settings and get you started. Then I go to “Pad Sens” under Setup and set the pad sens to 1 and threshold to 24. On the actual Pad settings i make sure “dynamics” are turned off so that every hit that triggers fires at full volume. This means it will only trigger when I hit at the volume I hit consistently for back beats and big drum fills. That way when I’m playing ghost notes it won’t trigger and I allow the snare to be heard naturally through the mic. You can also “build” a small amount before the full volume snare trigger kicks in. This setup is not ideal for a broad range of dynamics with the snare trigger but works great for doing a live version of how audio mix engineers use triggering to reinforce the natural sound of the snare. Let me know if you have anymore questions. I really need to do a new video that covers this!
@@nateodrum dude this is so helpful. Thanks so much! We've been using triggering at my church for about 2 months now but I've been struggling to find that sweet spot on the snare with also having it miced up, battling back and forth between the sensitivity and threshold.
@@goodc713 I totally understand. I’ve been using triggers live for almost 6 years on my touring gigs but recently my church started using them live at the broadcast campus. I set them up the way I know that works and knew there would be a learning curve. So I try to get with the drummer playing each Sunday and talk them through how they work and how to approach playing with them. The main thing is that you have to adjust how you play a little. Long building sections on snare require you to hold back to stay under the threshold point and use different sources to create the building energy. We are about to build a “mute” switch for the snare trigger so we can turn it off in the long building sections and lean on the mics and then unmute when we need them back on for a chorus. Another option is to have your patch with kick and snare triggers and follow it with a “blank” patch that is your normal kick trigger sound but no sound on the snare trigger so you can play all you want. And maybe repeat that pattern a few times so you can keep pushing the button for next patch and swap between the normal patch and the blank snare patch!
Do you run your outs stereo or mono live?
Hey Jon! I actually run all four outputs (master out L/R and Sub out L/R) and separate kick sounds from the SPD-SX, snare/clap sounds coming from the SPD-SX, Kick trigger and Snare trigger.
Can it work on other samplers
I don’t totally understand the question. I would love to answer it though. Can you elaborate?
Roland SPDSX